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Post by thereallt on Oct 18, 2020 0:36:45 GMT
Fury Rd is the second greatest Mad Max film ever made, with only The Road Warrior topping it. Neither one made my list though.
Haven't seen Once Upon a Time in Hollywood yet.
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Post by Lionheart on Oct 18, 2020 0:39:41 GMT
Fury Road is awesome and was quite the treat to see in theaters. I still haven’t seen any other Mad Max films but it made me really want to and I hope they are even better. I will probably be watching them soon.
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Post by 🤯 on Oct 18, 2020 2:10:42 GMT
Strobe, why you not so keen on the first Mad Max? Just because it was so markedly different from the rest of the franchise in terms of aesthetic and world building?
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Post by Strobe on Oct 18, 2020 11:59:19 GMT
Strobe , why you not so keen on the first Mad Max? Just because it was so markedly different from the rest of the franchise in terms of aesthetic and world building? It has that indy film charm that Road Warrior also still had, but more of it. It is a bit cheesy, some of the acting ropey, a bit slow, but builds to a good ending. It is an interesting watch, especially since it is the decaying society rather than the full post-apocalyptic world of the sequels. But it isn't close to Road Warrior or Fury Road.
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Post by sandylea on Oct 18, 2020 12:26:45 GMT
Yeah I was joking really, of course it counts - just a surprise! It's twice the film Forrest Gump is anyway! But The Irishman is better than both. The Irishmen is trash. Well trash is harsh but it accomplishes about 60% of what it intended. “The Irishman is trash...” I think I just fell in love. What a hot garbage of a movie.
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Post by sandylea on Oct 18, 2020 12:31:42 GMT
As much as I enjoy the Die Hard franchise, none of them would come close to a top movies/favourite list unless I was talking only about Bruce Willis films. I just feel like I haven’t rewatched them enough to be honest.
Mean Girls - I enjoy. It’s extremely quotable but it’s also severely overrated and there is way better teenage/quotable movies out there.
Mad Max Fury Road - I do really enjoy, mainly because of my love for Tom Hardy but it’s not something I revisit or have rewatched at all. I do enjoy the OG Mad Max far more.
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood - absolutely made my list! I loved everything about this movie. The pacing was fantastic which for a 3 hour movie is a difficult feat. Brad and Leo were fantastic together/great chemistry, I really enjoyed Brad Pitts character the most. Margot Robbie was enjoyable. I just enjoyed what Tarantino did and how he changed the story/narrative so it was unpredictable. That fight scene towards the end still cracks me up.
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Post by Ness on Oct 18, 2020 13:56:38 GMT
Scream was pretty high on my list. I'll check in a bit but I'm willing to bet top 10. I love Scream. One of, if not my favorite slasher/horror film. There's just something that clicked with me when I saw it. It acted very much as a gateway movie to the genre to me, sorta in the same way FF7 did for RPGs for your boy. If nothing else how could you not love all the hamminess of Stu. Dude is the fucking MVP of the movie, especially the end reveal.
I adore the whole franchise. The movies went down in quality from the first, but I found them all enjoyable in their own way. Hell, even the MTV series was a really fun watch. It's not affiliated so much as it simply uses a similar concept. There's no Ghostface, but there is a mask wearing killer who hunts a group of friends and their MO feels like something straight from the movies.
Was hoping for a higher spot, but there's probably some stiff competition coming up too.
And I'll get hate or eye rolling for this, but...
Sidney > Laurie and Nancy
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Post by UT on Oct 18, 2020 14:05:29 GMT
Scream (My #1)
Favorite Scene - It's got to be the opening scene , one of the more iconic and scary in horror that sets up the rest of the movie beautifully and sets up Ghostface as a sadistic , albeit playful villain. Drew Barrymore dying is the topper of all toppers because it lent credence to the idea that anything can happen moving forward. The star of the movie was dead in the first scene.
Favorite Quote: "Movies don't create psychos , movies make psycho's more creative" - I could really go anywhere at the end after the reveal for this. Or many of Randy's lines. Or anywhere. I love the dialogue in this movie , so much of it is so smart and self aware.
What holds up? The entire movie. Godammit.
What doesn't hold up? The Real LT's takes on the movie. They all suck and are wrong.
Who wins the movie?
This is a tough one. You could argue for Craven , Campbell or even Williamson as winners and I would be okay with all of them. I'm going to say Craven because it gave him a gigantic hit in a completely dead era for horror and not only resurrected his career and reputation it sent audiences back to the past to check out more horror movies. Movies that make up his own catalogue. Scream brought Craven to a whole new generation of fans and I love him for that. It's on everyone's Mt. Rushmore. No question.
Overall it's my favorite movie of all time. A horror movie made for horror movie fans with a great concept that Craven just built great suspense in throughout. Other movies get credit for being self aware but Scream made it fun and popular and even relatable to a mass audience. Coming out in 1996 when those 80's horror fans were growing up was perfect timing as well as this movie would surely invoke and play on all the tropes they fell in love with. It makes so much sense.
I get some people not liking it , but I think most of those people just aren't huge horror fans and that makes sense.
I'll keep it short because I don't want to ape myself later.
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Post by 🤯 on Oct 18, 2020 14:07:48 GMT
thereallt's second-favorite movie after Armageddon!!!
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Post by Ness on Oct 18, 2020 14:08:18 GMT
thereallt 's second-favorite movie after Armageddon!!! Lionheart Get in here and make that thread!
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Post by UT on Oct 18, 2020 14:12:19 GMT
Sidney > Laurie and Nancy
You can't say that , Scream is my favorite movie ever and Sidney is amazing but I think it's really tough to choose between the three. They are the definitive top three final girls though and I think any order people want to put them in is right. Laurie was the OG , the template , the scream queen and was great in the original Halloween as the perfect do gooder who barely makes it out but is clearly tougher than anyone gave her credit for. She went on in 2 , H20 and 2018 to prove to be a badass as well and how much Michael changed her. Nancy is amazing , the prototype kid of helicopter parents and so fucking smart and tough. Wes evolved on Laurie with giving Nancy an edge and making her the smartest person in the room from pretty much the beginning. Her inviting Freddy out to fight him , and winning is a GOAT moment in final girl history. Sidney is almost a combo of the two , which makes sense. The best thing Sidney has going for her is that unlike Laurie or Nancy - she is the throughline to her movie and franchise. Those movies rely so much on the killers to be successful and Freddy or Michael are the throughline and the final girls can change all the time. Sidney is the only final girl who remains while Ghostface is always changing every movie. Halloween is Michael Myers franchise. Nightmare is Freddy's. Friday is Jasons Scream is Sidneys. That's her greatest argument. I can't even choose. Whatever movie I watch last is probably going to be my choice. They are the Top Three though and there isn't even an argument.
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Post by 🤯 on Oct 18, 2020 14:12:41 GMT
thereallt 's second-favorite movie after Armageddon!!! Lionheart Get in here and make that thread! Yeah, Lionheart... Earn *YOUR* own PW Mt. Rushmore!
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Post by UT on Oct 18, 2020 14:53:01 GMT
It’s not a squabble. 99% of his points are made up or just wrong. “Ghostface gets beat up” Really bro? Have you ever seen a horror movie?
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Post by 🤯 on Oct 18, 2020 15:45:35 GMT
It’s not a squabble. 99% of his points are made up or just wrong. “Ghostface gets beat up” Really bro? Have you ever seen a horror movie? I bet you Ghostface could've stopped the asteroid from Armageddon though!
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Post by Ness on Oct 18, 2020 15:52:45 GMT
Let's stop acting like Ghostface isn't everyone's favorite Slashstreet Boy.
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Post by UT on Oct 18, 2020 17:04:12 GMT
It’s not a squabble. 99% of his points are made up or just wrong. “Ghostface gets beat up” Really bro? Have you ever seen a horror movie? I bet you Ghostface could've stopped the asteroid from Armageddon though! Uh that’s not believable.
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Post by thereallt on Oct 18, 2020 18:42:38 GMT
I AM a huge horror fan, and that is WHY I dislike Scream. Scream ruined horror for almost a decade before James Wan directed Saw and made things right again.
Remember when HHH turned on Flair. and then cut that promo about Flair embracing his "newfound mediocrity"? That's EXACTLY how I felt about Wes Craven after he directed Scream. He went from directing masterpieces like Nightmare on Elm Street to directing shitty teen movies that belonged on the CW. If I could have at the moment, I would have taken the old broken down horse that Wes Craven became out back and put him out of his misery. Scream scoring higher on the countdown than Nightmare on Elm Street is nothing short of disgrace. THANK GOD it didn't score higher than Halloween.
We went from having a masterclass villain like Freddy Krueger in the first Nightmare on Elm Street to having the goofiest horror villain ever introduced.
My roomie in college at the time was a HUGE Scream fan (so much he even wrote a term paper about it) and kept bugging me to watch it, telling me how fantastic it was and how it brought horror back in a big way. I finally caved and watched it...and was never more disappointed in my life.
Of course it's Sidney's franchise. She is the only half decent character in it. The other three franchises have great and iconic villains while Scream has......Ghostface. Comparing Ghostface to those 3 villains is like comparing Naked Mideon to the Undertaker.
Yes Scream was extremely popular but so is McDonalds. No one is EVER going accuse McDonald's of being high quality and the same goes for Scream.
The ONE thing I will give Scream credit for is it introduced the slasher film to a new generation so eventually they got to watch REAL slasher films like Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
You know the REAL Mt. Rushmore of slasher films because Scream definitely dosen't make it.
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Post by UT on Oct 18, 2020 19:26:18 GMT
Clearly you're not because you wouldn't say ridiculous bullshit like this , that FACTS back up. Scream saved horror , Scream made horror a viable option at the box office again. The fact of the matter is that horror was a dead genre for almost a decade until SCREAM came along. All of the big franchises that were once cash cows in the 80's were flopping and horror movies weren't the lock to make money they once were. That's why there was such a dead run of horror in the nineties until SCREAM came along and crushed at the box office. And the best part is that it did so authentically , not through some massive media campaign but just like the big franchises of the past Scream won through word of mouth after having a bad opening two weeks (speaking to the state of horror) , it was through quality and word of mouth that brought people to see Scream and made it such a success. Just like Halloween , just like Nightmare and just like Friday. Fuck there might not even be a SAW without SCREAM.
Aside from the fact that it was incredibly successful and as a franchise it rivals Nightmare? It was years in the making as Wes had tampered with meta-horror in the past and perfected it while coming into Scream. And all slashers are fucking teen movies , a horror fan should know this. Where the hell do you think Scream got its tropes from? Jesus Christ.
Masterclass? Not goofy? Is this the same Freddy Krueger who dressed like the Wicked Witch in the West? Played video games and acted like a fucking stoned boner when the kids caught him and kicked his ass? The same Krueger who simply became a parody of himself as the series went along? You cannot possibly use Krueger as an example as anti-goofy when he was the definition of being a fucking goof for more of his franchise than he wasn't.
Ghostface as I've said 100 times was as real as it gets , and is based of something actually happening. The idea that he gets beat up too much is silly considering it's again - taken from the very same movies you champion. You're entire viewpoint is contradicting , it's almost as if as a horror fan , you remember nothing about horror.
Except it wasn't a franchise to start? It got popular due to quality and word of mouth. People seen the movie and championed it , causing a surge at the box office. Terrible correlation , as it always is and a super cheap way to try and defend your argument. I would say it closer to compares to a small restaurant that receives a boom due to quality and freshness to a dead scene.
Scream is easily on it. Chainsaw is great but doesn't come close to the influence or success , or impact on the genre that Scream had. Halloween had to do that for TCM a few years later.
Halloween Nightmare Friday the 13th (though I would argue that Friday 4 is more deserving) Scream
That's the Rushmore. Definitely. Positively.
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Post by Emperor on Oct 18, 2020 19:46:43 GMT
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Post by Shootist on Oct 18, 2020 20:22:31 GMT
I like the second one better.
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Post by UT on Oct 18, 2020 20:23:24 GMT
I like the second one better. Some people do and I get it. I love them both and both made my Top 100.
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Post by thereallt on Oct 18, 2020 23:29:51 GMT
It introduced slashers to a new audience, yes, but long term horror fans by and large DESPISED the Scream franchise. And for good reason, it was the Blink 182 of horror films, a film that was a watered down, flaccid, middle of the road version of far superior films. With a goofy meta gimmick attached.
I said "shitty teen movies that belong on the CW", and that is exactly what the Scream franchise is. I've seen episodes of Supernatural that had more scare value.
It got popular because it appealed to millenials and 90's babies. But it also threw the quality of horror films straight into the toilet. Also led to garbage like The Blair Witch Project and found footage in general. The period between 1996 and 2005 was a DREADFUL era for horror. Like I said, thank God for Saw.
The original Texas Chainsaw Massacre beats it out by virtue of being A REAL HORROR FILM. Not a watered down self-parody like Scream is. Also I don't give points for NEGATIVELY impacting the genre like Scream and Blair Witch Project did. Which is why neither one will EVER be on my horror Mt. Rushmore.
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Post by Lionheart on Oct 18, 2020 23:36:25 GMT
In my high school days, all the cool kids thought Scream was some kind of masterpiece and must-see for anyone that was anybody. I never saw what anyone liked about it. Just seemed like a silly parody film driven entirely by gimmicky shock value. I never liked parodies.
I haven’t seen it since those days, but I have zero interest in going back to it.
Blink-182 are great though.
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Post by thereallt on Oct 18, 2020 23:39:14 GMT
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Post by Lionheart on Oct 18, 2020 23:59:17 GMT
Emperor, what do you think about Scream anyway? You seem content to sit on the sidelines while UT and LT duke it out but aren’t you the biggest horror fan here? You used to watch nothing but horror films.
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Post by Ness on Oct 19, 2020 0:01:37 GMT
I'm sad Lionheart was rejected by the cool kids.
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Post by Shootist on Oct 19, 2020 0:05:07 GMT
No way is Scream taking the place of Leatherface on the Mount Rushmore, and I'm way more neutral towards Scream. It's a big four for a reason in the slasher genre. TCM and Black Christmas ushered in the modern slasher to American audiences in 1974. TCM's documentary feel also blazed a trail for all the found footage films that came after.
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Post by UT on Oct 19, 2020 0:18:28 GMT
As usual now you're just saying shit , there is nothing to say that long term horror fans despised Scream. In fact I would say a ton of them loved the play on the movies they grew up loving simply by being the first movie to tell the audience what horror fans were thinking for YEARS while watching slashers of the past. Scream didn't insult their audience with the same old tropes , the addressed them and poked the same fun audiences had been forever. And what about Scream is watered down? Please enlighten me.
The only thing that distinguishes Scream and makes it "belong on CW" is the lack of senseless nudity. Is that's what this is all about?
Scream had nothing to do with Found Footage? What the hell are you talking about? Found footage had been around for YEARS before Scream and movies like Cannibal Holocaust are considered some of the most intense and grotesque movies ever. Found footage like Blair Witch became a thing because you could make it for pennies , with no actors and make incredible money.
Scream had a huge cast , a professional screenwriter and one of the greatest horror movie directors of all time. You are really reaching to pull shit out of your ass to make up the hate against Scream because again , the correlation is one of the worst takes in the history of takes and 100% false.
And the period from the late 80's to 1996 is known as one of the worst generations for horror of all time , until Scream. Scream led to a boom , whether or not you enjoyed the movies that came from it (NOT BLAIR WITCH PROJECT FFS) is irrelevant to what it did for the genre.
Oh a real horror film... because Scream isn't and is watered down. I really want to know what makes Scream watered down.
Scream didn't fucking negatively impact the genre , when movies bring people to the theatres and movies then are created as an effect of that it's impossible to say they negatively impacted the genre. I don't like Get Out at all , but I'm not naive enough to say it negatively impacted the genre when it clearly didn't.
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Post by UT on Oct 19, 2020 0:19:29 GMT
No way is Scream taking the place of Leatherface on the Mount Rushmore, and I'm way more neutral towards Scream. It's a big four for a reason in the slasher genre. TCM and Black Christmas ushered in the modern slasher to American audiences in 1974. TCM's documentary feel also blazed a trail for all the found footage films that came after. And yet it took Halloween to take the genre mainstream. If TCM was so great and influential as claimed to be , than Halloween deserves no credit for what it meant to slashers.
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