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Post by Ness on Dec 4, 2020 19:23:29 GMT
Fight Club is great..so quotable and relatable.
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Post by thereallt on Dec 4, 2020 19:46:22 GMT
Easily one of the most overrated films by PW.....and I actually enjoy Fight Club quite a bit. But a top 20 film of all-time?.....not even close. This should have been in the 100-70 range at best. And while this is definitely a Rushmore film for Pitt, the idea that this was a star-making role for him is ludicrous. Pitt was already a massive star when he was cast as Tyler Durden. He had already been in Interview with the Vampire, Legands of the Fall, Seven, Twelve Monkeys, and Sleepers well before being in Fight Club. He was already an A list star and Fight Club just took things further. Matter of fact, I would say it was more important for Edward Norton than it was for Brad Pitt. For Norton's Mt Rushmore I would have to say, Rounders, American History X, Fight Club, and Red Dragon 1. It’s not just PW , IMDB has it 8 spots higher. To think it’s a PW thing is myopic. 2. It’s surely the role that launched him to superstardom. Those other roles were great and he already had a really good career to this point but Fight Club once it’s started reaching the cult circles made him A-List. None of those movies you listed was he the lead nor was he selling. Pitt sold Fight Club. Pitt personified Fight Club and it’s going to go down as his most popular movie ever. *He might have been the lead in LOTF I don’t remember , which only speaks to the point. He was the lead in Interview with the Vampire. and was the co-lead in Seven(along with Morgan Freeman) and Legends of the Fall (along with Anthony Hopkins and Aidan Quinn) Pitt was a major sellng point for all of those movies. Which in fact all also made a fuckton more money than Fight Club did. Pitt was easily A-list before doing Fight Club, which is a big reason why he got the role in the first place. I dare say Pitt did more for Fight Club than Fight Club did for him.
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Post by Emperor on Dec 4, 2020 21:39:48 GMT
Fight Club didn't do that well originally did it? Both critically and commercially? It's one of those cult classics that only became revered years after its release. Another argument against it being a star making performance for Mr. Pitt.
Gotta be honest, part of my dislike for Fight Club is that I don't really understand it. It confused me. Don't get me wrong, I didn't find it entertaining either, but the confusion added to my dislike.
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Post by Strobe on Dec 4, 2020 22:11:54 GMT
Yeah, Brad Pitt was a top star well before Fight Club. Second billed behind Cruise in Interview With the Vampire that was #1 at the US box office for 1 week in Nov 1994. Then top billed in Legends of the Fall that was #1 for 4 weeks in Jan/Feb 1995. Then he was top billed in Seven that was #1 for 4 weeks in Sept/Oct 1995. Voted People Magazine Sexiest Man Alive in 1995. Fight Club didn't do that well originally did it? Both critically and commercially? It's one of those cult classics that only became revered years after its release. Another argument against it being a star making performance for Mr. Pitt. Gotta be honest, part of my dislike for Fight Club is that I don't really understand it. It confused me. Don't get me wrong, I didn't find it entertaining either, but the confusion added to my dislike. What did you think it was trying to say? What themes did you think it explored?
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Post by Emperor on Dec 4, 2020 22:48:09 GMT
Don't ask me to cast my mind that far back! :lol: I barely remember the intricacies of the plot.
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Post by PB on Dec 4, 2020 23:19:41 GMT
3. It's a Wonderful Life (1946, Frank Capra) 4. Singin' in the Rain (1952, Stanley Donen and Gene Kelly) 5. The Tree of Life (2011, Terrence Malik) 6. The Apartment (1960, Billy Wilder) 8. The Godfather (1972, Francis Ford Coppola) 9. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004, Michel Gondry) 10. Jaws (1975, Steven Spielberg) 11. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003, Peter Jackson) 12. Citizen Kane (1941, Orson Welles) 13. Inside Out (2015, Pete Docter) 15. Blade Runner (1982, Ridley Scott) 19. The Night of the Hunter (1955, Charles Laughton) 21. E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial (1982, Steven Spielberg) 22. Rear Window (1954, Alfred Hitchcock) 23. Psycho (1960, Alfred Hitchcock) 27. Three Colours: Blue (1993, Krzysztof Kieslowski) 29. Avengers: Endgame (2019, Joe and Anthony Russo) 30. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001, Peter Jackson) 31. Batman Begins (2005, Christopher Nolan) 32. Seven (1995, David Fincher) 34. Reservoir Dogs (1992, Quentin Tarantino) 36. Taxi Driver (1976, Martin Scorsese) 39. Toy Story 3 (2010, Lee Unkrich) 41. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002, Peter Jackson) 43. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (1939, Frank Capra) 50. In Bruges (2008, Martin McDonagh) 55. Chinatown (Roman Polanski, 1974) 56. Memento (2000, Christopher Nolan) 59. Raging Bull (Martin Scorcese, 1980) 60. City of God (2002, Fernando Meirelles) 68. Zodiac (2007, David Fincher) 69. Beauty and the Best (1991, Gary Trousdale and Kirk Wise) 76. Groundhog Day (1993, Harold Ramis)
88. Fight Club (1999, David Fincher)
I’m kinda bi-polar when it comes to Fight Club. I can’t believe how low it is in my list - I think the negative chatter when it last showed up in our discourse made me put it lower - it should definitely be a good 20 places higher. I think people misunderstanding Fight Club, or it’s status with movie bros makes me want to dislike it. But then I rewatch it or even just think about it again, and I love it. What I really like about it is that I don’t think it’s making statements but asking questions. People get caught up in trying to decipher the ‘message’ of Fight Club but I don’t think there is one overarching thesis. Rather it’s throwing lots of big ideas out there and encouraging us to think. So it speaks to consumerism, fragile masculinity, Freudian understandings of the self, the dangers of isolation, idealised answers to life’s problems etc.
I think people get annoyed with Fight Club because they take it too seriously. I think it’s fundamentally a deeply satirical comedy. You’re meant to laugh the whole way through because it’s ridiculous. I don’t think it’s unrealistic because I don’t think any of it is real. Even if you don’t care about any of the questions it’s asking, it’s endlessly entertaining, it’s fantastic performances, it’s a great use of music, and it goes by really quickly. I definitely should have had it higher.
89. No Country for Old Men (2007, Joel & Ethan Coen) 91. Adaptation (2002, Spike Jonze) 97. The Social Network (2010, David Fincher) 100. Skyfall (2012, Sam Mendes
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Post by Ness on Dec 4, 2020 23:22:40 GMT
I;m slightly intoxicated, but just wanted to say that write-up about Fight Club is PB 's best post in the proboards era. Easy part of his PW Rushmore.
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Post by UT on Dec 4, 2020 23:56:52 GMT
I;m slightly intoxicated, but just wanted to say that write-up about Fight Club is PB 's best post in the proboards era. Easy part of his PW Rushmore. Agreed that was pretty spot on. I’ll take the L on Pitt not being an A-Lister before Fight Club... but I’m standing by the fact that it’s going to long be his career defining role and most remembered.
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Post by Strobe on Dec 5, 2020 0:05:15 GMT
88. Fight Club (1999, David Fincher)
I’m kinda bi-polar when it comes to Fight Club. I can’t believe how low it is in my list - I think the negative chatter when it last showed up in our discourse made me put it lower - it should definitely be a good 20 places higher. I think people misunderstanding Fight Club, or it’s status with movie bros makes me want to dislike it. But then I rewatch it or even just think about it again, and I love it. What I really like about it is that I don’t think it’s making statements but asking questions. People get caught up in trying to decipher the ‘message’ of Fight Club but I don’t think there is one overarching thesis. Rather it’s throwing lots of big ideas out there and encouraging us to think. So it speaks to consumerism, fragile masculinity, Freudian understandings of the self, the dangers of isolation, idealised answers to life’s problems etc. I think people get annoyed with Fight Club because they take it too seriously. I think it’s fundamentally a deeply satirical comedy. You’re meant to laugh the whole way through because it’s ridiculous. I don’t think it’s unrealistic because I don’t think any of it is real. Even if you don’t care about any of the questions it’s asking, it’s endlessly entertaining, it’s fantastic performances, it’s a great use of music, and it goes by really quickly. This covers a lot of what I was going to say and saves me time and effort. Excellent. Fight Club (185) is great, but didn't make my list.
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Post by bodyslam on Dec 5, 2020 0:51:07 GMT
Had some friends that constantly hyped Fight Club and how great it was. So I went to Blockbuster and rented it. It did not make my list and was never considered for my list.
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Post by 🤯 on Dec 5, 2020 1:34:01 GMT
I;m slightly intoxicated, but just wanted to say that write-up about Fight Club is PB 's best post in the proboards era. Easy part of his PW Rushmore. Agreed that was pretty spot on. I’ll take the L on Pitt not being an A-Lister before Fight Club... but I’m standing by the fact that it’s going to long be his career defining role and most remembered. Just please never surrender the Scream war.
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Post by UT on Dec 5, 2020 3:01:28 GMT
Agreed that was pretty spot on. I’ll take the L on Pitt not being an A-Lister before Fight Club... but I’m standing by the fact that it’s going to long be his career defining role and most remembered. Just please never surrender the Scream war. That will never happen.
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Post by UT on Dec 5, 2020 14:22:50 GMT
Don't ask me to cast my mind that far back! I barely remember the intricacies of the plot. I think Emperor is due a total watch of Se7en and a rewatch of Fight Club. Seems really out of character for him to hate both these movies so bad.
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Post by 🤯 on Dec 5, 2020 14:28:13 GMT
Don't ask me to cast my mind that far back! I barely remember the intricacies of the plot. I think Emperor is due a total watch of Se7en and a rewatch of Fight Club. Seems really out of character for him to hate both these movies so bad. Considering his love for Training Day and Gladiator, I agree. I feel like all four are of similar quality and enjoyment.
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Post by UT on Dec 5, 2020 14:35:53 GMT
Truman Show was one of the ones I believe that no one guessed , and I can't really blame them because it being this high is quite shocking and IMO asinine.
I watched this for a countdown and really disliked it and couldn't even put my finger on exactly why other then I found it incredibly tedious and boring and I was just counting down the time for it to be over.
Crazy that three Carrey movies made the Top 31 , I guess that speaks to PW's taste and Carrey's popularity and ability to go into different genres as all three movies are pretty different. So credit where it's due to him.
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Post by 🤯 on Dec 5, 2020 14:55:19 GMT
Had I submitted a legitimate list of guesses I would've had Truman Show. I had it in my Top 10, and I'm pretty sure it's at least in Dr. Emperor's Top 10 (even if he is anti-Se7en). To me, it's peak Jim Carrey. The perfect fusion of his comedy and drama chops. Plus, I had a crush on the girl. And what's not to love about Ed Harris!? Peter Weir's finest work IMO.
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Post by Emperor on Dec 5, 2020 15:31:17 GMT
1. Good Will Hunting 3. Training Day 4. Oldboy 6. Gladiator 8. Matchstick Men 10. The Truman Show11. Unforgiven 12. Mr. Smith Goes To Washington 14. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid 15. Silver Linings Playbook 18. Throne of Blood 24. Aliens 25. The Sting 27. Spirited Away 29. Logan 31. Parasite 32. Elf 37. Inside Out 38. The Apartment 39. The Green Mile 40. Beauty and the Beast 42. Jaws 43. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince 44. In Bruges 46. The Good, The Bad and The Ugly 51. The Shining 53. The Prestige 55. Groundhog Day 60. Catch Me If You Can 61. Django Unchained 62. The Conjuring 64. Alien 69. Paranormal Activity 70. No Country For Old Men 72. Tombstone 81. Terminator 2: Judgment Day 84. Wayne's World 86. John Wick 87. Toy Story 3 88. Saw 96. Memento 🤯 is right. Truman Show is a Top 10 Emperor movie. It was also in my shortlist for PW's Top 20, but didn't make the cut. Because come on, Truman Show above the likes of Dumb and Dumber and Eternal Sunshine? No fucking way. Yes fucking way. PW has surprised me and delighted me. For me the concept of the Truman Show is exceptional. Truman is the world's biggest human guinea pig. His whole life is a television show, everyone around him an actor. It's a fascinating concept, but fascinating concepts alone don't make a Top 10 movie. Fortunately the execution is perfect. Of course Jim Carrey steals the show with a career-best performance, balancing perfectly between comedy and drama. Laura Linney is also fantastic, an actress playing an actress, who can't keep it together when Truman starts to figure out the truth. And Ed Harris, expertly portraying the baddie in one of his many incredible villainous roles. The writing is brilliant, the gradual build up to Truman losing his mind, then his successful escape as the world watches on, reality TV becoming actual reality. Truman's confrontation with with Ed Harris' character is wonderful and the film ends perfectly. Also a plot that's slightly ahead of its time, correctly predicting Big Brother and how huge reality TV was to become all over the world. Since UT won't change his avatar for Truman Show, I'll do it for him.
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Post by Emperor on Dec 5, 2020 15:32:16 GMT
Don't ask me to cast my mind that far back! I barely remember the intricacies of the plot. I think Emperor is due a total watch of Se7en and a rewatch of Fight Club. Seems really out of character for him to hate both these movies so bad. Se7en is definitely a film I should love, but as I have stated I just can't get into it on multiple rewatches. I need to have the patience to stick with it for longer. Fight Club...I'm not convinced it's an Emperor movie.
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Post by Ness on Dec 5, 2020 15:43:57 GMT
Oh hell no. Don't do it too Emperor.
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Post by UT on Dec 5, 2020 15:52:12 GMT
I think Emperor is due a total watch of Se7en and a rewatch of Fight Club. Seems really out of character for him to hate both these movies so bad. Se7en is definitely a film I should love, but as I have stated I just can't get into it on multiple rewatches. I need to have the patience to stick with it for longer. Fight Club...I'm not convinced it's an Emperor movie. Well stick with it , it’s a slow burn I can admit but everything is for a reason and the payoff of the second half makes it all worth it and makes it come together. And I’ll never have a Truman Show avatar. I have standards.
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Post by Emperor on Dec 5, 2020 16:11:55 GMT
Your Fight Club avatar suggests your standards are very low indeed.
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Post by UT on Dec 5, 2020 16:29:30 GMT
Your Fight Club avatar suggests your standards are very low indeed. Keep it up and me and you gonna have our own Fight Club! And you couldn’t even talk about it!
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Post by Emperor on Dec 5, 2020 17:33:26 GMT
Your Fight Club avatar suggests your standards are very low indeed. Keep it up and me and you gonna have our own Fight Club! And you couldn’t even talk about it!
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Post by UT on Dec 5, 2020 17:38:18 GMT
Keep it up and me and you gonna have our own Fight Club! And you couldn’t even talk about it!
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Post by UT on Dec 5, 2020 17:39:17 GMT
Now I kind of want to see Brad Pitt fight Jim Carrey. Though I don't think it'd end well for Carrey.
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Post by Ness on Dec 5, 2020 19:10:07 GMT
Hey UT you probably don't wanna spoil things and I suppose revealing this could... but is the #1 a runaway or were things pretty tight up top?
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Post by bodyslam on Dec 5, 2020 19:45:10 GMT
The Truman Show not on my list. How are all of these just ok movies making it so high? Did someone make a bunch of fake accounts and enter in the same movies over and over.
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Post by UT on Dec 5, 2020 19:46:41 GMT
Hey UT you probably don't wanna spoil things and I suppose revealing this could... but is the #1 a runaway or were things pretty tight up top? I consider it right but there was like 50 points difference. 90 points between 1 and 4. May seem like a lot but #2 and #1 were fighting for the top spot down to like the last few lists. 50 may seem like a lot but all it takes is for one movie to place in the top 50 and the other to not place. Or one to place at 70 and the other 20 etc... but more so I just might consider it tighter because I watched it swap back and forth.
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Post by 🤯 on Dec 5, 2020 20:04:13 GMT
Hey UT you probably don't wanna spoil things and I suppose revealing this could... but is the #1 a runaway or were things pretty tight up top? Stop asking questions While high At least The Truman Show not on my list. How are all of these just ok movies making it so high? Did someone make a bunch of fake accounts and enter in the same movies over and over. Shut up, Galveston. ///// #1 is Departed by a 90 points gap ///// I'm Team Dr. Emperor - - Truman Show > Fight Club (that's right, I said it)
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Post by iron maiden on Dec 5, 2020 20:21:50 GMT
Both Fight Club and Truman Show were interesting views into the human psyche and social experiments, but not ones I’d watch again.
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