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Post by UT on Dec 7, 2020 2:39:52 GMT
Would I be dismissed as a juror for not having seen Scream? I Still Know What You Did Last Summer though... You’re dismissed because you’re a felon.
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Post by thereallt on Dec 7, 2020 2:46:41 GMT
Anyone with a bare minimum of taste.
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Post by UT on Dec 7, 2020 2:47:20 GMT
Anyone with a bare minimum of taste. So you’re out then?
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Post by thereallt on Dec 7, 2020 3:09:09 GMT
Anyone with a bare minimum of taste. So you’re out then? Better slashers include (but are not limited to) 1.Halloween 2.Nightmare on Elm Street. 3.Friday the 13th 4.Texas Chainsaw Massacre 5. Saw. Scream AT BEST would rank #6.
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Post by UT on Dec 7, 2020 3:27:02 GMT
Better slashers include (but are not limited to) 1.Halloween 2.Nightmare on Elm Street. 3.Friday the 13th 4.Texas Chainsaw Massacre 5. Saw.  Scream AT BEST would rank #6. Oh for fucks sake , Saw isn’t even a slasher - do you even know what you’re talking about at this point? The original Friday isn’t even the best in the series , 3rd or 4th at best. I don’t blame anyone for liking Halloween or Nightmare on Elm Street more - they are great movies and some of my favorites of all time. If you want to call either the greatest slasher ever than so be it - I’m not that much of a prick to say it’s impossible. Especially Halloween , which I have and can easily make the case for being the GOAT.
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Post by thereallt on Dec 7, 2020 3:38:21 GMT
The original Friday is easily the best movie out of the series. Other Friday films up the gore factor a little more and have more focus on Jason but the first Friday overall easily is the most coherent film out of all of them.
But fine. Friday the 13th 2, 3, and 4 are also better than Scream. So are Halloween 2 and 4.
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Post by UT on Dec 7, 2020 3:44:45 GMT
The original Friday is easily the best movie out of the series. Other Friday films up the gore factor a little more and have more focus on Jason but the first Friday overall easily is the most coherent film out of all of them. But fine. Friday the 13th 2, 3, and 4 are also better than Scream. So are Halloween 2 and 4. No it’s not , I’d rate 4 and 6 over it and you could make arguments for others. I would also say that 4 is far more coherent and made the franchise what it was whilst six was the pinnacle of their realization of what made the franchise so beloved. It’s also the best directed. And I love every Halloween. Except Halloween Busta Rhymes Edition and Season of the Witch but not more than Scream. Also think part four is incredibly underrated and some of the best child acting you’ll find in horror before they fucked with Danielle Harris too much in part 5. Rachel is a great final girl.
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Post by Baker on Dec 7, 2020 6:21:11 GMT
60. Fight Club- OK, so I had it 20-30 spots too high. Watched it once. Enjoyed it. But never had any real desire to watch it again. All the actors were good. It had an interesting, unique premise that has generated debate for two decades now. It's an iconic movie for my generation. Definitely memorable. Quotable, too. But all that stuff is just noise. The real reason it's on my list is because I am apparently the Vince Russo of mid-late 90s movie watching when it comes to loving a swerve. After coming up with my list I realized it included a whole lot of movies from that era with shocking twist finishes. And Fight Club had one of the best. 12 Angry Men- A while back iron maiden and I were discussing how we tend to like the book/movie/remake we encountered first. That applies here. I saw the 90s made for tv movie version of 12 Angry Men first and loved it. Rented the classic 1957 film asap and thought it paled in comparison....to the one featuring Tony Danza. Was I wrong? Probably. But those of you who enjoyed the original should check out the remake. It does have pretty good reviews- 7.9 on imdb and 92% on Rotten Tomatoes.
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Post by Emperor on Dec 7, 2020 10:25:49 GMT
As a rule I don't watch remakes of classic movies.
In 12 Angry Men's case, you can't improve on perfection.
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Post by UT on Dec 7, 2020 13:29:59 GMT
I don't know that you could make a more drastic flip from 12 Angry Men to Infinity War. One of the most contained movies of all time to one of the most expansive.
Infinity War ended up being my #1 Marvel movie , it's tough to choose between the top three but at the end of the day I couldn't think of another experience in the MCU , or most movies in general quite like that. It's the only movie I had to go back to the theatre the next day and watch it again and torture myself again.
I've said before too that I think this is one of the greatest achievements in cinema history. The way they brought everything together from all the movies and flawlessly shifted back and forth around whilst keeping it all coherent is amazing. Everyone got to shine , including Thanos , for whom this was more of an origin story.
The ending was as ballsy as it gets too , and gutted me in the theatres. Like I couldn't believe what I was watching. My heroes were fading away , others had died , The Avengers failed and that wasn't cool.
It was a Top 10 movie for me and will always stand the test of time.
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Post by Emperor on Dec 7, 2020 13:55:47 GMT
Great summary UT, took the words right out of my mouth. Placed 22 on my list. The pinnacle of the MCU. Exciting from start to finish, really ballsy conclusion that made me feel shell-shocked for hours after. No other movie has had that level of emotional impact on me, and maybe I should have placed it even higher for that reason.
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Post by thereallt on Dec 7, 2020 14:44:18 GMT
3.The Good The Bad and The Ugly 6.Saving Private Ryan 7.The Terminator 9.Bladerunner 11.City of God 12.Star Wars: A New Hope 13.Unforgiven 14.The Dirty Dozen 15.Raging Bull 16.Raiders of the Lost Ark 17.Terminator 2 18.Aliens 19.Schindler's List 20.The Princess Bride. 22.Blazing Saddles 23.Trading Places 24.Alien 25.Guardians of the Galaxy 26.Die Hard With a Vengeance 27.Logan 31.Ghostbusters 34.Training Day 37.Avengers:Infinity War 39.The Predator 40.Toy Story 43.Man on Fire 44.Return of the Jedi 45.Halloween 49.Taxi Driver 52.Tombstone 53.John Wick 54.Braveheart 55.Gladiator 56.Jaws 57.The Avengers 69.Chinatown 70.Wolf of Wall Street 72.Seven 73.Boogie Nights 74.Thor:Ragnarok 80.The Godfather 82.Casablance 84. Scarface 85.Heat 87.Full Metal Jacket 90.True Lies 98.The Sandlot 99.The Wizard of Oz 100.Big Trouble in Little China
Infinity War is the Empire Strikes Back of the MCU. It raises all the stakes, takes the huge risks, and has the overall holy shit moments of the franchise. I don't think it's the greatest film in the MCU, for me that is still GOTG but Infinity War is definitely the best of the Avengers series.
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Post by Ness on Dec 7, 2020 14:57:02 GMT
As good as IW is and was, I wonder how much recentcy plays to such a high placement. Guess we'll see how it fares 10 20 years from now.
That said it felt more like an event than movie. Like we were part of it.
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Post by UT on Dec 7, 2020 15:00:41 GMT
As good as IW is and was, I wonder how much recentcy plays to such a high placement. Guess we'll see how it fares 10 20 years from now. That said it felt more like an event than movie. Like we were part of it. I think that speaks to it’s staying power. I’m sure people said the same thing about Star Wars and it’s sequels back in the day and that movie hasn’t lost any of its staying power.
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Post by iron maiden on Dec 7, 2020 15:25:16 GMT
I had Infinity War at #50 and I am thinking I should have had it higher. I ranked Winter Soldier, The Avengers and Civil War above it which I agree with, but there are perhaps other movies I have over it that I shouldn't have. It was just done so well. This was the first time we had all the characters and movies converging into one. A massive movie and undertaking and it worked! It more than worked. The big moments were BIG moments. They evoked the feelings they were meant to from the very first to the very last. In in the minority, but I actually preferred Infinity War to Endgame.
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Post by The Kid on Dec 7, 2020 17:40:23 GMT
I’m still blown away at how high Truman Show got. Weird.
I forgot to put Infinity War on my list. Shame on me.
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Post by Shootist on Dec 7, 2020 18:07:49 GMT
2. Jaws (1975) 5. Ghostbusters (1984) 8. The Shining (1980) 9. Rear Window (1954) 11. Apocalypse Now: Redux (2001) 12. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) 15. Groundhog Day (1993) 16. Home Alone (1990) 17. Planes, Trains and Automobiles (1987) 19. The Breakfast Club (1985) 21. Clerks (1994) 22. Dumb & Dumber (1994) 23. Alien (1979) 24. Raiders Of The Lost Ark (1981) 25. A Nightmare On Elm Street (1984) 26. Rocky (1976) 29. Rocky IV (1985) 30. Aliens (1986) 33. Raging Bull (1980) 34. Taxi Driver (1976) 35. Happy Gilmore (1996) 38. Fargo (1996) 39. Se7en (1995) 40. Back To The Future Part II (1989) 42. Terminator (1984) 43. Predator (1987) 45. Die Hard: With A Vengeance (1995) 46. Braveheart (1995) 47. Boogie Nights (1997) 48. The Silence Of The Lambs (1991) 52. Terminator 2: Judgement Day (1991) 54. Speed (1994) 56. Full Metal Jacket (1987) 59. Psycho (1960) 66. American Psycho (2000) 67. Falling Down (1993) 71. Reservoir Dogs (1992) 75. Kill Bill Vol.1 (2003) 76. Avengers: Infinity War (2018)- My guess: 4 78. Avengers: Endgame (2019) 79. Logan (2017) 81. Batman Begins (2005) 83. Scarface (1983) 86. Halloween (1978) 87. Apollo 13 (1995) 94. One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest (1975) 99. E.T.: The Extra Terrestrial (1982) 100. Vertigo (1958)
I was really leaning on recency bias with my guess, this was my highest rated super hero film. Just flawless execution start to finish which had the perfect cliffhanger to want fans clamoring for even more. In time I'm sure it will shoot up my rankings.
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Post by Strobe on Dec 7, 2020 20:29:40 GMT
I maintain that Infinity War had the gutsiest ending of all time. Sure there are more shocker ending movies out there but never did such a huge franchise gamble like that (maybe Empire Strikes Back but even then.. Everyone didn’t just die at the end). I mean, they killed everyone (ok not everyone but close). And then just shut the whole thing down. Bad guy wins and everyone is just devastated. I don’t know if we will ever experience anything like this again in our lifetime but I want to be on record saying I never left a movie more shocked than I did after this one. Crazy. I still haven’t really gotten over it. In real time, we had to wait 368 days for the happy ending to this movie. And even then It was just a sad farewell. I find it interesting to see this opinion. I genuinely thought Endgame had a gutsier ending because they killed off RDJ and the chance of convincing him to do future Iron Man sequels. Everyone knew Infinity War was part 1 of 2 and that everyone would be back. They'd already announced sequels for characters that got dustified. The entire phase was mapped out and promoted. It is a great and fitting ending to that film, but I never saw it as particularly gutsy.
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Post by iron maiden on Dec 7, 2020 20:45:01 GMT
Normally I agree with you Strobe, but in this case I agree with jTjohncenaGOAT as it was gutsy in that most people knew RDJ was out so it wasn't as big as a shocker as Infinity War. Biggest surprise for me in Endgame was Black Widow. With Infinity War you saw 1 or 2 heroes bite it and you thought 'Oh no not them but okay...' and then it kept going and going and you were like 'are they killing everyone off? Who lives and who dies? And I have to wait another year to figure out how they rectify it, IF they rectify it? '
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Post by Strobe on Dec 7, 2020 20:50:32 GMT
Were people genuinely watching Infinity War and not realising everyone was coming back?
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Post by UT on Dec 7, 2020 21:04:42 GMT
Did you watch Titanic for the first time thinking the ship wouldn’t sink this time?
Assuming/knowing and watching are two different things.
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Post by Strobe on Dec 7, 2020 21:30:49 GMT
I'm having fun with it there. Obviously allowing yourself to get sucked into the story is a great part of watching any entertainment.
But I don't know anyone who in the clear light of day was going "I can't believe they are all dead, they clearly aren't getting brought back, so I'm not going to go watch Endgame, they've lost my money". I just don't think it was particularly gutsy in that regard. Everyone I know who was invested in the MCU knew everyone was coming back. The fun was in how they were going to do it. Everyone knew it was the end of Act 1. It isn't even like they were able to try to make people think they were all gone for good, since the next Spider-Man film was already announced for after Endgame to round out Phase 3. We all knew Spider-Man was coming back AND surviving Endgame.
It doesn't stop it from being a great film ending.
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Post by Emperor on Dec 7, 2020 21:31:05 GMT
Were people genuinely watching Infinity War and not realising everyone was coming back? I didn't know. You don't go into a superhero movie expecting the villain to win and his plan to be completed successfully, without compromise. Sure, I could have assumed that the heroes are coming back somehow, but doesn't take away from the moment at all. It was shocking and mortifying. You know The Undertaker was going to win every Streak match at Wrestlemania (except when he didn't), doesn't mean it's a no stakes match that you yawn while watching.
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Post by Ness on Dec 7, 2020 21:36:24 GMT
I thought maybe based on contract status that not everyone would return. I thought they might have culled the bloated roster...
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Post by UT on Dec 7, 2020 21:44:52 GMT
Yeah I’m with Emp and Ness a bit too. I’m not a huge comic guy and purposely avoided anything that could tip me off from what’s coming.
Obviously after the initial shock of watching , and watching again I assumed they would find a way to bring most back but that didn’t take away from the initial visceral reaction. Plus not knowing the fate of everyone for over a year sucked and then possibly knowing that it was going to take something huge from one of the main stars to set everything right in the world and the doom and gloom was always there.
It’s a credit to the MCU and their film making to get that reaction out of people despite everyone knowing this wasn’t going to be the end.
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Post by Emperor on Dec 7, 2020 21:46:53 GMT
To say it wasn't a gutsy move doesn't take into account the younger portion of the audience who idolise these characters and aren't mature/worldly enough to reason that it's likely the heroes will return.
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Post by UT on Dec 7, 2020 21:49:02 GMT
To say it wasn't a gutsy move doesn't take into account the younger portion of the audience who idolise these characters and aren't mature/worldly enough to reason that it's likely the heroes will return. Like my kids and wife , all of whom had tears in their eyes? There were a handful of grown men losing their mind in the theatre too.
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Post by Ness on Dec 7, 2020 21:50:07 GMT
The ending is a lot like the streak ending. It was a gut punch and the crowd is either stunned silent or some douche breaks the ice with "wow..."
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Post by UT on Dec 7, 2020 21:52:02 GMT
Plus the cultural impact and NEED to talk about this movie was everywhere too and something you rarely see anymore. Like it was torture not being able to talk about this with my wife and kids for 24 hours and then the memes and stuff that came from it for like a two week span.... it’s so rare to captivate that much of the public these days.
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Post by Emperor on Dec 7, 2020 21:53:05 GMT
To say it wasn't a gutsy move doesn't take into account the younger portion of the audience who idolise these characters and aren't mature/worldly enough to reason that it's likely the heroes will return. Like my kids and wife , all of whom had tears in their eyes? There were a handful of grown men losing their mind in the theatre too. Can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing here...I wasn't arguing that it didn't impact adults. I too lost my mind.
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