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Post by Ness on Dec 7, 2020 21:55:02 GMT
Plus the cultural impact and NEED to talk about this movie was everywhere too and something you rarely see anymore. Like it was torture not being able to talk about this with my wife and kids for 24 hours and then the memes and stuff that came from it for like a two week span.... it’s so rare to captivate that much of the public these days. This and IW are the only MCUs I insisted on seeing day one. I wasn't confident I'd avoid spoilers either IRL or online.
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Post by UT on Dec 7, 2020 21:58:46 GMT
Like my kids and wife , all of whom had tears in their eyes? There were a handful of grown men losing their mind in the theatre too. Can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing here...I wasn't arguing that it didn't impact adults. I too lost my mind. I’m agreeing 100% It effected everyone , but to your point kids especially had no idea what was happening.
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Post by UT on Dec 7, 2020 22:00:24 GMT
Plus the cultural impact and NEED to talk about this movie was everywhere too and something you rarely see anymore. Like it was torture not being able to talk about this with my wife and kids for 24 hours and then the memes and stuff that came from it for like a two week span.... it’s so rare to captivate that much of the public these days. This and IW are the only MCUs I insisted on seeing day one. I wasn't confident I'd avoid spoilers either IRL or online. Yep. Both were the only times I’ve ever been to a theatre where they posted signs about not talking about the movie on your way out as to not spoil people waiting in the lobby.
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Post by Strobe on Dec 7, 2020 22:18:47 GMT
You are all talking about it being a great ending, which it was. I'm not saying people expected that ending going in. I'm not saying it wasn't an incredibly effective and affecting finish. But people knew it wasn't the last film. The idea of it being the most gutsy finish ever and a major gamble in terms of the franchise is what I am not agreeing with. It was an ending absolutely designed to incite these emotions, to get people talking and intrigued about how they'd be brought back.
A meh finish or an Avengers win may have actually been gutsier, and I'd argue more foolish, with Endgame on the horizon. You've built Thanos for all these years, he shows up and he loses with another film still to come? With all the money put into the MCU and the money-making potential of the eventual climax, they weren't going to pick a finish to Infinity War that they reasonably thought would cause people to not want to see Endgame. They chose very well. Now I absolutely see the argument that they didn't need to push it as far as they did, so there was guts on that front.
Maybe I am blinded by me and those I went to the cinema with expecting them all back as we walked out and even my knowledge of Endgame and the Spider-Man sequel.
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Post by iron maiden on Dec 7, 2020 22:25:31 GMT
Were people genuinely watching Infinity War and not realising everyone was coming back? Frankly, at that point, I had no idea if they'd be successful in getting them ALL back. No one did. (And they didn't. Vision remained dead since he died before the snap.) As jTjohncenaGOAT said: IT. JUST. ENDED.
The theater I was in was packed and you could hear a pin drop. Everyone just sat there stunned. I haven't seen that kind of reaction at the end of a movie...well ever. And then we all realized that we'd have to wait a YEAR to find out so then the 'theories' started rolling out.
It could have backfired, but it was so well done and people were so invested in the outcome that by the time Endgame came out we were all 'TAKE MY MONEY'.
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Post by UT on Dec 7, 2020 22:27:44 GMT
Yes. There is a reason why I said Endgame was my most anticipated movie of all time and that’s because I needed to immediately see what was going to happen.
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Post by Ness on Dec 7, 2020 22:29:32 GMT
Yeah obviously this recent discussion the movie is certainly gonna go down as a goat, especially those that lived through it. Endgame was really the perfect end to the MCU. To many it probably was.
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Post by PB on Dec 7, 2020 22:59:17 GMT
3. It's a Wonderful Life (1946, Frank Capra) 4. Singin' in the Rain (1952, Stanley Donen and Gene Kelly) 5. The Tree of Life (2011, Terrence Malik) 6. The Apartment (1960, Billy Wilder) 8. The Godfather (1972, Francis Ford Coppola) 9. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004, Michel Gondry) 10. Jaws (1975, Steven Spielberg) 11. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003, Peter Jackson) 12. Citizen Kane (1941, Orson Welles) 13. Inside Out (2015, Pete Docter) 15. Blade Runner (1982, Ridley Scott) 19. The Night of the Hunter (1955, Charles Laughton) 21. E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial (1982, Steven Spielberg) 22. Rear Window (1954, Alfred Hitchcock) 23. Psycho (1960, Alfred Hitchcock) 27. Three Colours: Blue (1993, Krzysztof Kieslowski) 29. Avengers: Endgame (2019, Joe and Anthony Russo) 30. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001, Peter Jackson) 31. Batman Begins (2005, Christopher Nolan) 32. Seven (1995, David Fincher) 34. Reservoir Dogs (1992, Quentin Tarantino) 35. 12 Angry Men (1957, Sidney Lumet)
Everyone has already said why this works so well. What I will say is that I had no idea there was a remake, and the cast is phenomenal now that I've heard of it, so I think I may give it a watch. 36. Taxi Driver (1976, Martin Scorsese) 39. Toy Story 3 (2010, Lee Unkrich) 41. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002, Peter Jackson) 43. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (1939, Frank Capra) 50. In Bruges (2008, Martin McDonagh) 55. Chinatown (Roman Polanski, 1974) 56. Memento (2000, Christopher Nolan) 59. Raging Bull (Martin Scorcese, 1980) 60. City of God (2002, Fernando Meirelles) 68. Zodiac (2007, David Fincher) 69. Beauty and the Best (1991, Gary Trousdale and Kirk Wise) 76. Groundhog Day (1993, Harold Ramis) 78. The Truman Show (1998, Peter Weir)
This is why making a list like this is so arbitrary. Clearly I was in a bad mood with Fight Club when I made my list, as I like it considerably more than The Truman Show, and yet it's ten places lower. Now the next time I make a list I'm going to be in a bad mood with Truman and place it much lower. I do think The Truman Show is great though - but it does feel too high in my list and the overall. It's a very easy watch with a really good central idea and performance. It feels more and more dated the older it gets though and I'm concerned another rewatch would drop it down futher. 82. Avengers: Infinity War (2018, Joe & Anthony Russo)I love an ending which is why Endgame is much higher on my own- but this is still really amazing. I'm with Strobe, on the ending and I think most of you are misunderstanding him. The ending was shocking and induced a huge emotional heft and impact, but it's like ending a PPV with the Horsemen beating down Dusty - we all know what's coming next and will pay to see it. 88. Fight Club (1999, David Fincher) 89. No Country for Old Men (2007, Joel & Ethan Coen) 91. Adaptation (2002, Spike Jonze) 97. The Social Network (2010, David Fincher) 100. Skyfall (2012, Sam Mendes
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Post by Ness on Dec 7, 2020 23:00:28 GMT
I like how PB gives credit to the directors in every review.
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Post by iron maiden on Dec 7, 2020 23:03:47 GMT
This and IW are the only MCUs I insisted on seeing day one. I wasn't confident I'd avoid spoilers either IRL or online. Yep. Both were the only times I’ve ever been to a theatre where they posted signs about not talking about the movie on your way out as to not spoil people waiting in the lobby. That's because there are assholes who get off on ruining movies for other people.
I was listening to the radio and they were talking about a guy who bought tickets for one of the first viewings of The Force Awakens. He then bought a crappy ticket right up front for the next viewing and proceeded to get up by the doorway and told them all what would happen. He got the crap kicked out of him. Somebody did the same thing for Endgame.
Why IM hates going to the theater part 3:
I hate going to the movies because people are assholes, but my friends decided they were taking me to see Force Awakens for my birthday, because they know I am a big Star Wars fan. We were walking by this group of guys coming out of the theater to their cars and this dude says 'I can't believe they killed __________' (I didn't say who in case someone here doesn't know and hasn't yet seen it because you know I'm thoughtful). Now, it takes a lot for my FULL ugly temper to rear it's head, but inconsideration and disrespect to those around you will do it. Let's put it this way, last few times it did I got kicked out of a Super Market, a movie theater and almost started a brawl at a concert.
I don't even remember what all happened, because when I get THAT angry I black out. I guess I got into his face, said some pretty choice things and threatened to rip off his ball sack and use it as a hacky sack (in fact I was told I actually tried). The next thing I remember is my friends in his and another of his friends' faces and another one of his friends holding me back. Meanwhile, another group of guys that saw/heard the whole thing came to mine and my friends' defense which almost caused a brawl. A couple of the peacemakers of the groups managed to calm everything down and everyone including his own friends, actually took my side, called him an inconsiderate shithead, he apologized, I did not and we all went on our way. This all happened in the parking lot before the movie. Good thing we went early. I watched the movie and tried to enjoy it knowing one of the pivotal plot points and I took anger management for the 4th time since 2005.
You were right UT this thread should be labelled 12 Angry men and an even Angrier woman.
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Post by Emperor on Dec 7, 2020 23:20:18 GMT
I actually included the directors in the list I sent to UT, but took them out in the partial list I have been posting in this thread. No idea why, to be honest. Let's change that. Pretty shocked how many of my films have actually appeared, especially in the top half. My #5 is definitely going to appear, and my #13 is definitely not going to appear, so that will be a clean sweep #1-#12. 1. Good Will Hunting (Gus Van Sant, 1997) 2. 12 Angry Men (Sidney Lumet, 1957) 3. Training Day (Antoine Fuqua, 2001) 4. Oldboy (Park Chan-wook, 2002) 6. Gladiator (Ridley Scott, 2000) 7. The Breakfast Club (John Hughes, 1985) 8. Matchstick Men (Ridley Scott, 2003) 9. Collateral (Michael Mann, 2004) 10. The Truman Show (Peter Weir, 1998) 11. Unforgiven (Clint Eastwood, 1992) 12. Mr. Smith Goes To Washington (Frank Capra, 1939) 14. Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid (George Roy Hill, 1969) 15. Silver Linings Playbook (David O'Russell, 2012) 18. Throne Of Blood (Akira Kurosawa, 1957) 22. Avengers: Infinity War (Russo Brothers, 2018) 23. The Lion King (Disney, 1994) 24. Aliens (James Cameron, 1986) 25. The Sting (George Roy Hill, 1973) 27. Spirited Away (Hayao Miyazaki, 2001) 29. Logan (James Mangold, 2017) 31. Parasite (Bong Joon Ho, 2019) 32. Elf (Jon Favreau, 2003) 37. Inside Out (Pixar, 2015) 38. The Apartment (Billy Wilder, 1960) 39. The Green Mile (Frank Darabont, 1999) 40. Beauty and the Beast (Disney, 1991) 42. Jaws (Steven Spielberg, 1975) 43. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (David Yates, 2009) 44. In Bruges (Martin McDonagh, 2008) 46. The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly (Sergio Leone, 1966) 51. The Shining (Stanley Kubrick, 1980) 53. The Prestige (Christopher Nolan, 2006) 55. Groundhog Day (Harold Ramis, 1993) 60. Catch Me If You Can (Steven Spielberg, 2002) 61. Django Unchained (Quentin Tarantino, 2012) 62. The Conjuring (James Wan, 2013) 64. Alien (Ridley Scott, 1979) 69. Paranormal Activity (Oren Peli, 2007) 70. No Country For Old Men (Coen Brothers, 2007) 72. Tombstone (George P. Cosmatos, 1993) 81. Terminator 2: Judgment Day (James Cameron, 1991) 83. Wayne's World (Penelope Spheeris, 1992) 86. John Wick (Chad Stahelski, 2014) 87. Toy Story 3 (Pixar, 2010) 88. Saw (James Wan, 2004) 96. Memento (Christopher Nolan, 2000)
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Post by Strobe on Dec 8, 2020 8:39:37 GMT
82. Avengers: Infinity War (2018, Joe & Anthony Russo)I love an ending which is why Endgame is much higher on my own- but this is still really amazing. I'm with Strobe , on the ending and I think most of you are misunderstanding him. The ending was shocking and induced a huge emotional heft and impact, but it's like ending a PPV with the Horsemen beating down Dusty - we all know what's coming next and will pay to see it. PB gets it. I almost don't even know if this is a disagreement as such. Maybe it's a terminology thing. You are all basically going "I couldn't wait to throw my money at them, I couldn't wait to see Endgame", which was precisely the point. That's why I don't see it as a massive gamble. Sure, you can claim I am saying this after the fact, but they knew people were invested, they knew they had a great villain in Thanos and they knew people knew there was another film coming. How many people that were invested in the MCU were not going to see Endgame with Infinity War ending like that? Almost no one. Far less than if the Avengers thwarted Thanos and he was all "I'll get you next time!". That would've at least gotten some people to go "meh, this feels like it has run its course, I'll wait for it to be on steaming". I feel like people are reading it as if I'm criticising the ending, which I am not. It is an all-time classic end and I think it will hold up. I hate going to the movies because people are assholes, but my friends decided they were taking me to see Force Awakens for my birthday, because they know I am a big Star Wars fan. We were walking by this group of guys coming out of the theater to their cars and this dude says 'I can't believe they killed __________' (I didn't say who in case someone here doesn't know and hasn't yet seen it because you know I'm thoughtful). Now, it takes a lot for my FULL ugly temper to rear it's head, but inconsideration and disrespect to those around you will do it. Let's put it this way, last few times it did I got kicked out of a Super Market, a movie theater and almost started a brawl at a concert. I like to think this guy is a Simpsons fan who had long waited to do his own version of this moment.
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Post by UT on Dec 8, 2020 14:10:50 GMT
Aladdin was the other one that no one predicted , which again I can't really blame them since this seems quite high but obviously PW loves them some Genie.
Williams is clearly the standout of the film and gets all the credit in the world for creating and voicing one of the most beloved characters in Disney history. Just an epic performance that really carries the movie. There are some other great characters too , Jasmine is in the running for my favorite Disney princess. I think Iago is one of the better villain sidekicks and Jafar is certainly a worthy villain. Don't know that it's this much better than something like Beauty and the Beast which I find to be a more realized movie.
I love One Jump and Friend like Me from the soundtrack and A Whole New World is a great ballad but I don't know that it has the same depth as other soundtracks from Disney.
Then again I'm probably being nitpicky because it appeared so high. I don't mean to sound down on anything about Aladdin. It's classic Disney and they are generally class.
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Post by 🤯 on Dec 8, 2020 14:38:43 GMT
Jasmine, Top 5 lock for sure. Dem tiddies. Dem hips. Dem eyes. Mmmm...
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Post by iron maiden on Dec 8, 2020 15:11:37 GMT
It didn't make my list, but I can 100% understand why it made so many. I don't think I'd rank it as high as this, but again I can see why others perhaps did. Movies like Lion King and Aladdin appealed to more of a broader audience than the 'Princess' led movies. Backed by great musical numbers, a diabolical villain and his wise cracking sidekick and a comedic genius Genie, Aladdin has it all.
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Post by Ness on Dec 8, 2020 15:16:51 GMT
Figured the holy trinity of PW Disney is Aladdin Lion King and the first Toy Story.
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Post by iron maiden on Dec 8, 2020 15:23:29 GMT
Figured the holy trinity of PW Disney is Aladdin Lion King and the first Toy Story. For a dude maybe.
For chicks it's usually Beauty and the Beast, Little Mermaid and Cinderella (or more recently Frozen.)
For me it would be Beauty and the Beast, Sleeping Beauty and Lion King.
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Post by RT on Dec 8, 2020 16:43:23 GMT
Figured the holy trinity of PW Disney is Aladdin Lion King and the first Toy Story. Sorry pal. Toy Story doesn’t belong there. It’s a Pixar thing. It’s Lion King, Aladdin, and Beauty & the Beast. This is the correct answer
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Post by UT on Dec 8, 2020 17:27:27 GMT
Figured the holy trinity of PW Disney is Aladdin Lion King and the first Toy Story. Sorry pal. Toy Story doesn’t belong there. It’s a Pixar thing. It’s Lion King, Aladdin, and Beauty & the Beast. 100% What an incredible run of three movies back to back to back.
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Post by Baker on Dec 8, 2020 19:06:34 GMT
Aladdin was the other one that no one predicted I thought Aladdin had already shown up. Could have sworn it was discussed recently. It was probably just pervy 🤯 and maybe Ness crushing on Princess Jasmine that threw me off. I saw all the big Disney classics as a kid. Liked most of them at the time but never bothered to rewatch. Didn't feel comfortable voting for movies I hadn't seen in 30 years.
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Post by Emperor on Dec 8, 2020 19:07:14 GMT
1. Good Will Hunting (Gus Van Sant, 1997) 2. 12 Angry Men (Sidney Lumet, 1957) 3. Training Day (Antoine Fuqua, 2001) 4. Oldboy (Park Chan-wook, 2002) 6. Gladiator (Ridley Scott, 2000) 7. The Breakfast Club (John Hughes, 1985) 8. Matchstick Men (Ridley Scott, 2003) 9. Collateral (Michael Mann, 2004) 10. The Truman Show (Peter Weir, 1998) 11. Unforgiven (Clint Eastwood, 1992) 12. Mr. Smith Goes To Washington (Frank Capra, 1939) 14. Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid (George Roy Hill, 1969) 15. Silver Linings Playbook (David O'Russell, 2012) 18. Throne Of Blood (Akira Kurosawa, 1957) 22. Avengers: Infinity War (Russo Brothers, 2018) 23. The Lion King (Disney, 1994) 24. Aliens (James Cameron, 1986) 25. The Sting (George Roy Hill, 1973) 27. Spirited Away (Hayao Miyazaki, 2001) 29. Logan (James Mangold, 2017) 31. Parasite (Bong Joon Ho, 2019) 32. Elf (Jon Favreau, 2003) 37. Inside Out (Pixar, 2015) 38. The Apartment (Billy Wilder, 1960) 39. The Green Mile (Frank Darabont, 1999) 40. Beauty and the Beast (Disney, 1991) 42. Jaws (Steven Spielberg, 1975) 43. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (David Yates, 2009) 44. In Bruges (Martin McDonagh, 2008) 46. The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly (Sergio Leone, 1966) 51. The Shining (Stanley Kubrick, 1980) 52. Aladdin (Disney, 1992)53. The Prestige (Christopher Nolan, 2006) 55. Groundhog Day (Harold Ramis, 1993) 60. Catch Me If You Can (Steven Spielberg, 2002) 61. Django Unchained (Quentin Tarantino, 2012) 62. The Conjuring (James Wan, 2013) 64. Alien (Ridley Scott, 1979) 69. Paranormal Activity (Oren Peli, 2007) 70. No Country For Old Men (Coen Brothers, 2007) 72. Tombstone (George P. Cosmatos, 1993) 81. Terminator 2: Judgment Day (James Cameron, 1991) 83. Wayne's World (Penelope Spheeris, 1992) 86. John Wick (Chad Stahelski, 2014) 87. Toy Story 3 (Pixar, 2010) 88. Saw (James Wan, 2004) 96. Memento (Christopher Nolan, 2000) I'm honestly even more shocked about Aladdin appearing than The Truman Show. I thought Aladdin was way below Lion King and Beauty and the Beast in terms of PW's preferences. Clearly I was wrong. Aladdin was my favourite Disney movie for a long time, mainly because of Jafar. Fantastic villain with a GOAT look. It's not just Jafar though. As a whole the movie is wonderful. As UT pointed out the only weakness, when comparing to other Disney films, is the soundtrack.
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Post by The Kid on Dec 8, 2020 19:42:09 GMT
I love Aladdin. My 2nd favorite Disney movie. My wife’s favorite. High on my list and happy it’s high on the PW list too.
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Post by bodyslam on Dec 9, 2020 1:26:11 GMT
Aladdin was my 46. Robin Williams was awesome! AWESOME!
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Post by The Kid on Dec 9, 2020 12:06:52 GMT
Also; why people hating on the soundtrack of Aladdin? I think it's awesome.
First of all; 'A Whole New World' is probably the best Disney song ever not including anything from Lion King which is all excellent. As a matter of fact; A Whole New World is my song with my wife. Even if the whole new world I was showing her when we were younger was sex, drugs and rock & roll. Still worked since smoking weed was like being on a magic carpet ride.
Then there's 'Friend Like Me' and 'Prince Ali' which are both pretty damn good in their own rights.
Jafar is a bad ass villain, too.
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Post by The Kid on Dec 9, 2020 14:10:09 GMT
#14?!
WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.
BOOOOOOOOOOO.
THERE IS NOT 13 MOVIES BETTER THEN THE DEPARTED, WHICH WAS MY #1.
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Post by UT on Dec 9, 2020 14:22:59 GMT
I thought Departed was going to be higher , lock for the Top 10 considering how much PW loves it and how often it shows up. I don't know what more can be said but it made my Top 20 , I love the movie and think Leo got robbed of an Oscar nom for his 2nd best performance and Wahlberg got robbed of the win.
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Post by 🤯 on Dec 9, 2020 14:30:10 GMT
Wow... Stunned at how low PW had The Departed. Maybe everyone just assumed everyone else would have it ranked highly enough to compensate? I mean, I know that's partly why I didn't bother even putting it on my list. That AND Jack's turrrible ham job. Guess there's a really real shot now of The Notebook claiming #1, The Kid!
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Post by The Kid on Dec 9, 2020 14:44:48 GMT
Departed is definitely paying for people ranking it lower (or not ranking it) because of peoples obsession with this masterpiece. #14 is way too low.
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Post by UT on Dec 9, 2020 14:49:50 GMT
Or just people not loving it as much as others. #14 is a great ranking , ahead of a ton of classics and a mere 7 points behind The Godfather 2.
I would say it being #14 on this list shows PW loves the movie more than most , as you aren't going to find it that high almost anywhere else.
Yes I thought it may finish higher , but I think #14 is most reasonable.
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Post by The Kid on Dec 9, 2020 14:53:41 GMT
WOW.
My #1 Departed.
My #3 Godfather 2.
14. 13.
AND WE RUSH THROUGH DEPARTED TO SMUSH THESE TWO CLASSICS TOGETHER~!
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