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Post by thereallt on Oct 19, 2020 3:06:27 GMT
I usually dig Kurosawa but I've never seen Throne of Blood. Somebody sell it to me.
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Post by iron maiden on Oct 19, 2020 4:53:06 GMT
You guys have shit taste in movies.
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Post by Shootist on Oct 19, 2020 5:46:57 GMT
No way is Scream taking the place of Leatherface on the Mount Rushmore, and I'm way more neutral towards Scream. It's a big four for a reason in the slasher genre. TCM and Black Christmas ushered in the modern slasher to American audiences in 1974. TCM's documentary feel also blazed a trail for all the found footage films that came after. And yet it took Halloween to take the genre mainstream. If TCM was so great and influential as claimed to be , than Halloween deserves no credit for what it meant to slashers. They both deserve credit, it was an evolution. Halloween came along and was much more palatable than the gritty TCM which still had a cult following. Halloween became a big hit which spawned many imitators and led to the doors being really kicked down when Friday The 13th was mass marketed like a major motion picture. Halloween was still small potatoes when it came out in a marketing sense but word of mouth made it the smash it became. TCM helped inspire other film makers to go out and make their own movies on a shoe string budget and was major in establishing both the hulking emotionless silent killer and final girl.
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Post by System on Oct 19, 2020 7:14:00 GMT
TCM is way more reserved than your typical slasher blueprint which has a lot more in common with Halloween. + only one person dies via chainsaw!
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Post by 🤯 on Oct 19, 2020 7:19:42 GMT
Since Kurosawa is not Korean, blaming this one on a joint effort by Dr. Emperor & Strobe.
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Post by Strobe on Oct 19, 2020 7:49:03 GMT
I’m starting to relate more with The Kid every day. How did this movie get in before Wizard of Oz, Grease, Dirty Dancing ?!?!?!? Because this is a list from a relatively small number of people and two or three people placing it highly gives it a fighting chance. And this isn't the most famous film list. And it isn't like this is some ham-and-egger choice. This is one of the most acclaimed films by one of the most acclaimed directors. Throne of Blood was my #30. Fantastic in every regard. For people who aren't typically one for Shakespeare, I'd definitely say to give this a try. From the last film you watched thread months back: A couple of days back, I did a double header of Kurosawa's Shakespeare adaptations, both transposed to feudal Japan. Throne of Blood, his take on that tragedy of the folly of ambition, Macbeth, is marvellous. Incredibly atmospheric, visually impressive and featuring outstanding lead performances from Toshiro Mifune and Isuzu Yamada as the Macbeth and Lady Macbeth equivalents. Shakespearean drama meets Noh stylisations in a cinematic classic.
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Post by Emperor on Oct 19, 2020 11:47:03 GMT
8. Matchstick Men 12. Mr. Smith Goes To Washington 14. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid 15. Silver Linings Playbook 18. Throne of Blood27. Spirited Away 29. Logan 31. Parasite 32. Elf 38. The Apartment 43. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince 44. In Bruges 60. Catch Me If You Can 62. The Conjuring 69. Paranormal Activity 72. Tombstone 84. Wayne's World 87. John Wick As Strobe mentioned, Throne of Blood is an adaptation of Shakespeare's Macbeth brought to feudal Japan. When I watched it, I had no idea it was a Shakespeare adaptation, nor did I know much about the plot of Macbeth, so that's certainly not a requirement. It's simply a brilliant story of an insecure leader slowly descending into madness as his kingdom is challenged. Toshiro Mifune's performance as the Macbeth character is indeed outstanding. The plot moves at a steady pace, building up the tension and intensity, all leading up to one of the most amazing closing sequences I have ever seen in cinema. There's a gif, but it's a minor spoiler, so I'll tag it just in case. {Spoiler} I love that Throne of Blood appeared and I'm hoping it's not the last of its kind to make the Top 100.
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Post by Ness on Oct 19, 2020 12:54:24 GMT
Made up movie.
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Post by The Kid on Oct 19, 2020 13:26:35 GMT
You guys have shit taste in movies. I haven’t even voted at all for any of the top 100 so far. In fact, I haven’t even seen half of them, of the half I did: I only liked one (Mean Girls) but it wasn’t a top 100 movie for me. I’m starting to relate more with The Kid every day. How did this movie get in before Wizard of Oz, Grease, Dirty Dancing ?!?!?!? Then I remember that he likes the Notebook and all of the sudden we aren’t that alike after all. The Notebook has yet to rank and I’ll be honest I’m starting to think Top 50 more then I’m thinking Top 100.
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Post by UT on Oct 19, 2020 14:01:31 GMT
And yet it took Halloween to take the genre mainstream. If TCM was so great and influential as claimed to be , than Halloween deserves no credit for what it meant to slashers. They both deserve credit, it was an evolution. Halloween came along and was much more palatable than the gritty TCM which still had a cult following. Halloween became a big hit which spawned many imitators and led to the doors being really kicked down when Friday The 13th was mass marketed like a major motion picture. Halloween was still small potatoes when it came out in a marketing sense but word of mouth made it the smash it became. TCM helped inspire other film makers to go out and make their own movies on a shoe string budget and was major in establishing both the hulking emotionless silent killer and final girl. See and I have a hard time even considering TCM a true slasher but I get why it belongs , Black Christmas deserves as much credit as well for creating part of the template. People who don't watch old horror movies though don't understand that most don't start off as the bloody gore fests they imagine. TCM had little gore. Halloween didn't either. Original Friday is incredibly tame to what it became as well. Nightmare was a little more gory. That's why Scream more or less targeted the never ending sequels that never deviated from the same tropes and were far more violent. Scream was also pretty violent and was intended to be more so because the sensors jumped it. It paid homage to the originals while poking fun at the stupidity of of some of the silliness of the franchises. The Real LT still just makes up half of his points though. Scream ruining the genre and bringing it to a dead period is just ignorance. Also comparing it to Blair Witch. I still stand by , after recent rewatches of the whole Friday franchise minus Jason X (worst movie ever maybe) that Part Four might be the best of the series. Part 6 is up there as well. Both legitimately great slashers. 4 6 1 [gap] 3 2 [gap] 7 8 [huge gap] 5 9 10 I think that's my ratings of the franchise. Don't know why I got on this tangent , but it's rare IMO that sequels surpass the original and I think it happened twice in the Friday series. I should go find that Shin thread he did.
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Post by The Kid on Oct 19, 2020 14:04:16 GMT
Honest question;
WHAT IN THE BLOODY FUCK IS THIS MOVIE AT #95?! Lmao. Throne of Blood from the 50s?!
In the words of Mr. Triple Double, Russell Westbrook:
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Post by Emperor on Oct 19, 2020 14:09:43 GMT
Movies from before 1980 cannot possibly be good, right? :suspic:
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Post by Big Pete on Oct 19, 2020 14:38:04 GMT
If it didn't come from Hollywood it's useless trash from hipsters who need a good serving of PB&J.
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Post by System on Oct 19, 2020 15:05:09 GMT
I’d never watched a horror film before, then when I was 12 I went over to a friends house while they were channel surfing and Jason X was on and i got to see this scene and it traumatised me and gave me nightmares 😂
Ironic considering I love horror now
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Post by mikec on Oct 19, 2020 15:12:32 GMT
I remember being pleasantly surprised by Pirates of the Caribbean when I went to the theaters expecting a shitshow and getting a competent and at times funny movie, and I think it’s exceeding expectations has really elevated its status. It’s fine, not particularly great, and feels very overrated here.
I like Scream, I think it made my list. First horror film I got into, but all the sequels are trash.
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Post by iron maiden on Oct 19, 2020 15:27:52 GMT
I enjoy the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise, but I'm not sure where I'd place any of them. Probably in between 100-200 for the first couple.
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Post by 🤯 on Oct 19, 2020 15:34:41 GMT
I think the never-ending series of increasingly shit sequels always causes me to forget how solid the OG was (and still is, if you can forget the stink of the rest).
Honestly, only thing I probably would've changed about PotC1 is add titties... But Kiera ain't got none, and her role was perfectly acted, so what do you do? Just make do wit dem itty bitty tiddies, I guess.
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Post by Big Pete on Oct 19, 2020 16:18:53 GMT
From the day he was born, he yearned for adventure Oh Captain-Jack giving them what for He's the pauper of the surf, the jester of Tautuga But in Davey Jones locker, what lies in store?
Not only was Pirates of the Carribean a slam dunk for a dead genre, it was one of the best blockbusters to come along in years. I made a huge post earlier about how Tangled revived Disney animation and set the template that movies like Frozen, Zootopia and Moana would follow, but you could definitely see Pirates was an inspiration for that vision. This idea of taking a classic tale but focusing more on the personalities of the characters involved and allowing those personalities to help support the direction of the film instead of merely the adventure.
It was a novel concept especially when you had movies like The Matrix sequels where the plot oversaturated the movie to the point that film goers didn't have the patience to follow what was going on. It was really difficult to care about those albino dread-locked twin with sunnies when you had Jack Sparrow and Elizabeth Swann alone in a deserted island drinking rum and messing about. Small scenes that went a long way to endear these characters to an audience and help build one of the biggest franchises of it's time.
The sequels won't make the list and probably for good reason. I say probably since I only saw Dead Man's Chest and At World's End in theatres, I never bothered with the sequels. From memory at Dead Man's Chest was actually a really enjoyable midquel that did a great job of setting up for At World's End which was fairly underwhelming. Not terrible but just really slow in places.
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Post by Ness on Oct 19, 2020 16:19:43 GMT
🤯 look titties. Or maybe just one.
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Post by UT on Oct 19, 2020 16:24:27 GMT
There maybe Titanic showing up will pacify The Kid for a little bit. I love the movie , I have since the days when you had to buy two VHS tapes to own it and I'll always watch it when it's on. Granted I'm usually waiting for the second half of the movie to begin but the beginning certainly has it's merits as well. It made it in the 60's on my list and I think it's lucky to show up on our overall list given the hate this movie gets far too often from people. I still don't think generations today understand the phenomenon this movie was , I don't think we'll ever really see anything like it again aside from the big Marvel releases but even then it wasn't quite the same. It's the most iconic movie of the nineties by far and one of the more iconic movies of all time. Everyone knows certain lines and where they came from , and it created maybe the biggest actor of our generation with Leo and one of the best leading ladies as well with Winslett. You can't say enough about how Titanic engrained itself forever into the lexicon but it did and it will always be there. Mount Rushmores? Leo - Yes Winslett - Yes Cameron - Yes I'd also put it on Bates and Zanes.
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Post by Emperor on Oct 19, 2020 16:48:04 GMT
Throne of Blood is better than Titanic and Pirates of the Carribean I.
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Post by The Kid on Oct 19, 2020 16:59:16 GMT
Throne of Blood is a fake movie. Titanic is a fucking masterpiece and if you think it showing up on the list will calm me down UT, you are sadly mistaken! #93?! Are y’all crazy?! I had Titanic at #7 and already seeing Wizard of Oz and ET rank out of the Top 100, I have lost faith in y’all. Especially with fake movies. Titanic is a classic. Seen it in English and German. Seen it more then 10 times in my life. If y’all didn’t rank it, y’all shouldn’t rank. #93 is too damn low!
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Post by PB on Oct 19, 2020 17:19:19 GMT
There maybe Titanic showing up will pacify The Kid for a little bit. I love the movie , I have since the days when you had to buy two VHS tapes to own it and I'll always watch it when it's on. Granted I'm usually waiting for the second half of the movie to begin but the beginning certainly has it's merits as well. It made it in the 60's on my list and I think it's lucky to show up on our overall list given the hate this movie gets far too often from people. I still don't think generations today understand the phenomenon this movie was , I don't think we'll ever really see anything like it again aside from the big Marvel releases but even then it wasn't quite the same. It's the most iconic movie of the nineties by far and one of the more iconic movies of all time. Everyone knows certain lines and where they came from , and it created maybe the biggest actor of our generation with Leo and one of the best leading ladies as well with Winslett. You can't say enough about how Titanic engrained itself forever into the lexicon but it did and it will always be there. Mount Rushmores? Leo - Yes Winslett - Yes Cameron - Yes I'd also put it on Bates and Zanes. That's funny, I much prefer the first half when its more character driven. The second half just makes me annoyed at all the stupid decisions they make, even though it is spectacular.
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Post by Gyro LC on Oct 19, 2020 17:30:20 GMT
Throne of Blood is a fake movie. Titanic is a fucking masterpiece and if you think it showing up on the list will calm me down UT , you are sadly mistaken! #93?! Are y’all crazy?! I had Titanic at #7 and already seeing Wizard of Oz and ET rank out of the Top 100, I have lost faith in y’all. Especially with fake movies. Titanic is a classic. Seen it in English and German. Seen it more then 10 times in my life. If y’all didn’t rank it, y’all shouldn’t rank. #93 is too damn low! I worked at a movie theater when Titanic came out. It was madness. It was in four of our theaters, including two of the biggest. It was sold out, every showing, for FOUR MONTHS. So many women saw it multiple times. It was a nightmare.
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Post by iron maiden on Oct 19, 2020 17:48:46 GMT
Sorry The Kid. I agree with you overall but Titantic did not make my list. It suffered due to my irrational dislike of Leo. Notebook would have placed in the 70's for me. I've only managed to get through it twice (both ugly cryfests), but it is a wonderful love story. It makes me think of my grandparents. When my Nanna was hooked up to the ventilator and we were trying to get my Poppa to leave, he said 'but she's my sweetheart' which is line almost echoed in the movie. I am fine up until that point then...a mess.
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Post by thereallt on Oct 19, 2020 18:24:21 GMT
It is not my fault you fell in love with the first slasher you saw and massively overrate it (# 1...what a joke) It's not even top 5 in it's own genre. I stand by my opinion, Scream is a watered down flaccid self-parody of a slasher that pales compared to the real thing.
Alright on to far better movies..
The first Pirates was solid and the rest were pretty forgettable. My brother absolutely LOVES the entire franchise though. He REALLY digs movies about pirates though, so the entire PoTC franchise is right in his wheelhouse.
Now to speak on Titanic.
Titanic is not my type of movie, but I would be a fool to deny it's absolutely MASSIVE cultural impact. Believe me, I was there, and this movie was friggin HUGE. I'm talking Star Wars and E.T. levels of huge, with massive lines that wrapped around the theater and shit. Women in my classes could not stop talking about it. It was pretty much a required date movie.
Also I can acknowledge the movie's quality as well. It is a technical masterpiece with awesome costumes, set design, production values and effects. Terrific music as well. The acting for the most part is also stellar, with Kate Winslet and Kathy Bates being the clear standouts, with Billy Zane not too far behind them. The weakest actor of the movie was actually Leo. His saving grace though was the chemistry he and Winslet had together. Any scenes he had without Winslet though were kind of cringe, with the "King of the World!!!!" line being chief among them
The weakest part of the film I would have to say is the writing, particularly Leo's writing. At some point he probably was looking at James Cameron like "You really expect me to say this shit" Also some of the scenes when the ship is sinking are a little silly (HYPOTHERMIA!!!!!)
Mt. Rushmore?? I would have to say pretty much everyone. But I'll go one at a time for the biggest players.
James Cameron- Terminator, Terminator 2, Titanic and Aliens. True Lies and Avatar for Honorable Mentions.
Leonardo DiCaprio- The Departed, The Wolf of Wall Street, Titanic and The Revenant (first Oscar Win) You could sub a half dozen films for The Revenant though.
Kate Winslet- Titanic, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, All the Kings Men, and Sense and Sensibility. Titanic and Eternal Sunshine are the only ones I have 100% confidence in.
Kathy Bates. Misery, Titanic, Fried Green Tomatoes, and The Waterboy. The woman is absolutely AWESOME in every role she plays though, so this list is very flexible.
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Post by Shootist on Oct 19, 2020 18:33:59 GMT
They both deserve credit, it was an evolution. Halloween came along and was much more palatable than the gritty TCM which still had a cult following. Halloween became a big hit which spawned many imitators and led to the doors being really kicked down when Friday The 13th was mass marketed like a major motion picture. Halloween was still small potatoes when it came out in a marketing sense but word of mouth made it the smash it became. TCM helped inspire other film makers to go out and make their own movies on a shoe string budget and was major in establishing both the hulking emotionless silent killer and final girl. See and I have a hard time even considering TCM a true slasher but I get why it belongs , Black Christmas deserves as much credit as well for creating part of the template. People who don't watch old horror movies though don't understand that most don't start off as the bloody gore fests they imagine. TCM had little gore. Halloween didn't either. Original Friday is incredibly tame to what it became as well. Nightmare was a little more gory. That's why Scream more or less targeted the never ending sequels that never deviated from the same tropes and were far more violent. Scream was also pretty violent and was intended to be more so because the sensors jumped it. It paid homage to the originals while poking fun at the stupidity of of some of the silliness of the franchises. The Real LT still just makes up half of his points though. Scream ruining the genre and bringing it to a dead period is just ignorance. Also comparing it to Blair Witch. I still stand by , after recent rewatches of the whole Friday franchise minus Jason X (worst movie ever maybe) that Part Four might be the best of the series. Part 6 is up there as well. Both legitimately great slashers. 4 6 1 [gap] 3 2 [gap] 7 8 [huge gap] 5 9 10 I think that's my ratings of the franchise. Don't know why I got on this tangent , but it's rare IMO that sequels surpass the original and I think it happened twice in the Friday series. I should go find that Shin thread he did. I think there is a little bit of truth to both sides of the Scream argument. It was a shining light during the 90's down period but to say it reignited the genre is a bit of a stretch My Friday rankings just for fun: 4 6 3 2 1 Freddy vs Jason remake 5 7 8 X 9 I just got the fantastic Scream Factory boxset (too late though for the pre order posters ) which I'm going to dive into this week. Apparently though there are a couple of errors with some sound missing in Jason X and incomplete added footage to the JGTH director's cut. I've really warmed to 5 over the years while X has some pretty good kills and Uber-Jason is cool which saves it. Titantic, I was in the middle of the hoopla as I saw it opening weekend with a date. I then saw the two tape VHS and haven't watched it since. It's a stunning achievement and was massive in pop culture but it's most definitely not an ass planter for me.
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Post by Strobe on Oct 19, 2020 20:00:25 GMT
James Cameron- Terminator, Terminator 2, Titanic and Aliens. True Lies and Avatar for Honorable Mentions. Avatar is an absolute stone cold lock, alongside T2 and Titanic, and will be even more so when the 37 sequels get released. According to Guinness, it is the inflation-adjusted second-highest grossing film ever, ahead of Titanic in third. Monstrously big film. Fourth spot is up for grabs between The Terminator and Aliens. I'd plump for The Terminator, as it is different enough from T2, and it is the film that made Cameron's name. Aliens misses out. Leonardo DiCaprio- The Departed, The Wolf of Wall Street, Titanic and The Revenant (first Oscar Win) You could sub a half dozen films for The Revenant though. Inception has to be in there - it is just too beloved. It is likely in there before The Departed, let alone The Revenant.
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Post by The Kid on Oct 19, 2020 20:04:00 GMT
Aviator is a fucking masterpiece by DiCaprio too. Does not get the love it deserves.
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Post by 🤯 on Oct 19, 2020 20:16:33 GMT
There maybe Titanic showing up will pacify The Kid for a little bit. I love the movie , I have since the days when you had to buy two VHS tapes to own it and I'll always watch it when it's on. Granted I'm usually waiting for the second half of the movie to begin but the beginning certainly has it's merits as well. It made it in the 60's on my list and I think it's lucky to show up on our overall list given the hate this movie gets far too often from people. I still don't think generations today understand the phenomenon this movie was , I don't think we'll ever really see anything like it again aside from the big Marvel releases but even then it wasn't quite the same. It's the most iconic movie of the nineties by far and one of the more iconic movies of all time. Everyone knows certain lines and where they came from , and it created maybe the biggest actor of our generation with Leo and one of the best leading ladies as well with Winslett. You can't say enough about how Titanic engrained itself forever into the lexicon but it did and it will always be there. Mount Rushmores? Leo - Yes Winslett - Yes Cameron - Yes I'd also put it on Bates and Zanes. What about Bill Paxton's!?
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