For the record: I popped way more for Nigel showing up than I did for Not Prince Puma.

Remember when people got triggered like little bitches when GUNTHER had the same name as a Nazi?

Apparently, Mox is channelling Russell Crowe's character from Romper Stomper.

If you've never heard of Romper Stomper, it's about Neo Nazis.

It's become a wrestler's market. Much like when we talk about housing. It's a seller's market.

Wrestlers are getting big bucks, or in a lot of cases more money than they warrant or deserve and that's ok for the wrestler.

Overpaying for housing, it raises the surrounding properties. The same in wrestling. Overpaying a midcarder, pushes the top end up a little higher.

Most of the talent in AEW, shouldn't be seeing more than a few hundred thousand. It's fair. But not over priced either, given the company has still failed to turn a profit and is losing viewership and attendance month on month.

( 697,000 this week for Dynamite )

“people now basically demanding he brings people back to watching cable TV”

That’s the logical conclusion. 200k people who used to watch AEW a year ago just canceled their cable. It can’t be anything else, right?

Except the only people caring about those numbers are the wrestling fans. WBD is not looking at Tony getting the top demo spot on cable and thinking they need to replace that show because it is under performing in the nightlies.

And 44 million cut cable this year in the US so far, so yeah, losing 200k people, or less than .5% of that group, is entirely possible.  

Except...

( the 3 x 2024 numbers are to show the trend )

RAW.

August 12, 2024: 1.890 million viewers
August 19, 2024: 1.641 million viewers
August 26, 2024: 1.796 million viewers

August 28, 2023: 1.677 million viewers

Smackdown.

August 09, 2024: 2.433 million viewers
August 16, 2024: 2.252 million viewers
August 23, 2024: 2.050 million viewers

August 25, 2023: 2.505 million viewers

NXT.

August 13, 2024: 617,000 viewers
August 20, 2024: 639,000 viewers
August 27, 2024: 615,000 viewers

August 29, 2023: 614,000 viewers

Aug 30, 2024 22:17:08 GMT c said:

Except the only people caring about those numbers are the wrestling fans. WBD is not looking at Tony getting the top demo spot on cable and thinking they need to replace that show because it is under performing in the nightlies.

And 44 million cut cable this year in the US so far, so yeah, losing 200k people, or less than .5% of that group, is entirely possible.  

It’s possible. But if you pair the tv decline with the attendance decline, you can come up with another possible answer for it.

Aug 30, 2024 23:06:11 GMT jTjohncenaGOAT said:

Aug 30, 2024 22:17:08 GMT c said:

Except the only people caring about those numbers are the wrestling fans. WBD is not looking at Tony getting the top demo spot on cable and thinking they need to replace that show because it is under performing in the nightlies.

And 44 million cut cable this year in the US so far, so yeah, losing 200k people, or less than .5% of that group, is entirely possible.  

It’s possible. But if you pair the tv decline with the attendance decline, you can come up with another possible answer for it.

I'm of the conclusion, AEW does PPVs very well and TV terribly.

That, and they've got perhaps the 4 most unlikeable people in wrestling - The Bucks, Perry and Jericho receiving far too much TV time.

Aug 30, 2024 22:17:08 GMT c said:

Except the only people caring about those numbers are the wrestling fans. WBD is not looking at Tony getting the top demo spot on cable and thinking they need to replace that show because it is under performing in the nightlies.

And 44 million cut cable this year in the US so far, so yeah, losing 200k people, or less than .5% of that group, is entirely possible.  

You have no fucking idea what WBD is thinking, but somehow you always assume it’s the same as you.

No that is you. All reports are WBD is happy, and they said on record they were happy with AEW, but you guys keep insisting that they must be upset with AEW yet provide zero evidence of it.

So like either post your sources or piss the fuck off and stop acting like people are wrong for believing what WBD says about AEW.  Like was there even a single news story that said WBD was ever unhappy with AEW ratings?  Cause I only seen the opposite.

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And reports are WBD does not care about the number of viewers and were happy with being the number show on cable.   So sources that they were unhappy?

www.wrestleview.com/featured-top-story/325941-aew-dynamite-ratings-correction-wbd-internal-reaction/ 

Here we are, celebrating a variance +6,000 on the original number lol.

Happy with 697,000... ok. lol.

Source WBD is not happy?

Aug 30, 2024 23:14:06 GMT NATH45 said:

Aug 30, 2024 23:06:11 GMT jTjohncenaGOAT said:

It’s possible. But if you pair the tv decline with the attendance decline, you can come up with another possible answer for it.

I'm of the conclusion, AEW does PPVs very well and TV terribly.

That, and they've got perhaps the 4 most unlikeable people in wrestling - The Bucks, Perry and Jericho receiving far too much TV time.

I'd say "inconsistent" would be a better descriptor.

I'm mostly indifferent to Perry, but I don't buy the guy as a threat. Jericho needs to switch roles, I bet I could still enjoy him on the mic at least...

But the Bucks are certifiably, 100% insufferable and irredeemable. I can't think of any tag team I've hated more than them, sans The Nasty Boys.

As if WBD is going to come out with a statement suggesting they're unhappy and Tony Khan is on a performance improvement plan until otherwise noted.

Have they made an announcement on the new deal yet?

So you got zero reports at all that WBD is unhappy and are going off what? This all trust me bro?

Reports from today are WBD offered Tony twice what his previous deal was.  No reports that WBD is not renewing at a higher rate have come yet period.

Only tribalist fans believe WBD is unhappy and not giving a new contract for more cash.

Keep watching bud, they need all the fans they can get.

Aug 31, 2024 3:47:48 GMT NATH45 said:

Keep watching bud, they need all the fans they can get.

Yes.  We need companies like AEW to stay around, to keep the overall wrestling business healthy.

Funny how tribalists think wrestling is best if only WWE is around and people who cannot work there just have to change careers.

Seeing people get hate because AEW is paying them well is some of the most insane sane I seen on the internet.

But of course everyone loves AEW here.  They just do not want to see them get a TV deal, hate the TV product and think the wrestlers all are childish and suck.  But they love AEW.

Aug 31, 2024 4:08:38 GMT CM Punk'd said:

Aug 31, 2024 3:47:48 GMT NATH45 said:

Keep watching bud, they need all the fans they can get.

Yes.  We need companies like AEW to stay around, to keep the overall wrestling business healthy.

Yes, but the onus is on the promoter to book a promotion that is interesting to watch, not on fans to watch that they don’t like just because it’s ’good for wrestling’.

I don’t see people wanting AEW to fail here. On Twitter, sure, but that’s a cesspool. Here I see people talking about how AEW can get better. Is there a bit of schadenfreude when their deluded, self-entitled fanbase, that spent years shitting on WWE when we were all trying to enjoy it, now has to take the criticism and can’t take it? Sure, there’s more than a bit. But no one wants to see AEW fail here.

Aug 31, 2024 0:05:25 GMT c said:

No that is you. All reports are WBD is happy, and they said on record they were happy with AEW, but you guys keep insisting that they must be upset with AEW yet provide zero evidence of it.

So like either post your sources or piss the fuck off and stop acting like people are wrong for believing what WBD says about AEW.  Like was there even a single news story that said WBD was ever unhappy with AEW ratings?  Cause I only seen the opposite.

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And reports are WBD does not care about the number of viewers and were happy with being the number show on cable.   So sources that they were unhappy?

www.wrestleview.com/featured-top-story/325941-aew-dynamite-ratings-correction-wbd-internal-reaction/ 

Zero reports theyre happy in recent times.

And again, since you’re too fucking stupid to get the point people make: no one wants AEW to lose their deal. Everyone here think theyre not getting a big increase since every tangible metric is collapsing.

Just last week most sites reported that WBD was happy with the number one demo spot on cable, a repeat from the week prior when they reported the same, and many reported that WBD does not care about the raw numbers like AEW critics do.

But hey if you got a different source show it.  Show that they think the show is collapsing or are unhappy with the metrics the shows are getting.  

Aug 31, 2024 21:01:09 GMT c said:

Just last week most sites reported that WBD was happy with the number one demo spot on cable, a repeat from the week prior when they reported the same, and many reported that WBD does not care about the raw numbers like AEW critics do.

But hey if you got a different source show it.  Show that they think the show is collapsing or are unhappy with the metrics the shows are getting.

The reports a few days ago were they weren’t as concerned , but I would’ve bet 1,000 dollars you’d conflate that with happy.

Aug 31, 2024 21:01:09 GMT c said:

Just last week most sites reported that WBD was happy with the number one demo spot on cable, a repeat from the week prior when they reported the same, and many reported that WBD does not care about the raw numbers like AEW critics do.

But hey if you got a different source show it.  Show that they think the show is collapsing or are unhappy with the metrics the shows are getting.

This is where you show how stupid you are. I don’t need a report to look at trends myself.

And clearly you are not reading them the same WBD is. There is not a single story or statement from WBD that they are unhappy with the performance of AEW, you just want to think they are. 


Reports are over a 100% increased is locked in and they are just working over the details now of the new contract.  

Why the fuck would they ever say they’re unhappy publicly?

Aug 31, 2024 21:15:08 GMT Todd said:

Why the fuck would they ever say they’re unhappy publicly?

They wouldn’t. Obviously.

Ok, where are the stories that they are unhappy? If they are so clearly upset, why have no wrestling sites ever stated that?  

Aug 31, 2024 21:13:37 GMT c said:

And clearly you are not reading them the same WBD is. There is not a single story or statement from WBD that they are unhappy with the performance of AEW, you just want to think they are. 


Reports are over a 100% increased is locked in and they are just working over the details now of the new contract.  

I didn’t fucking claim they were you illiterate goof.

I said there’s no logic in a major payout.

The 100% plus is assumed to include PPVs. If it’s like for like (three shows, double fees), I’ll eat my hat.

Oh yeah everyone reported last week the deal is for over double what they are getting now and it is fine print they are ironing out.

411mania.com/wrestling/new-report-aew-warner-bros-discovery-deal-imminent/

So moving the goalposts again. All this bitching and moaning, first they will not get deal, then they will not get a increase in their deal, now oh well their deal must include PPVs. Get bent, you all been shitting on the fed for over a year and using this shit to do it. Just admit you do not like the fed and move the fuck on, this all is like really pathetic.