Jun 5, 2022 2:00:43 GMT RT said:

Jun 4, 2022 23:02:43 GMT Blindy said:

I know c RT KITN are on the good guys side. You're either with us, or against us.

I don’t known what is going on here.

Was a joke about the tribalism shown by Tony here, "the enemy' :lol:

I think he really missed the chance to debut Chuck Taylor™, aka, the best Chuck Taylor.

Perhaps the hardest match in the history of wrestling to call, Chuck Taylor™ vs Chuck Taylor.

I am shocked Tony got Stokey as a manager. E fucked here bigtime. Stokey is super talented. If they had balls would have paired him with MVP and Omos. Omos not really gonna work as a one on one guy, but with Stokey that team could have been magic.

I mean this dude made a name for himself before WWE as Chuck Taylor, and made the damn gimmick work for him. He can get that shit over, he can do anything. And besides his character work, he is a damn solid wrestler too.  I have a feeling three years in AEW then he is going back to WWE for top dollar.

Dweebs.

Jun 5, 2022 3:45:14 GMT NATH45 said:

Dweebs.

You finally admit you're a dweeb. About time. I'm glad you have the guts to say it out loud.

Jun 9, 2022 18:00:53 GMT Ed said:

Jun 5, 2022 3:45:14 GMT NATH45 said:

Dweebs.

You finally admit you're a dweeb. About time. I'm glad you have the guts to say it out loud.

Welcome to 5 days ago.

Jun 9, 2022 18:32:32 GMT NATH45 said:

Jun 9, 2022 18:00:53 GMT Ed said:

You finally admit you're a dweeb. About time. I'm glad you have the guts to say it out loud.

Welcome to 5 days ago.

Shut up, dweeb.

(Jk)

So should we all argue about the All Atlantic Championship or not? Because myself and most of the internet love it yet in the party thread everyone acted like having a 3rd legitimate title that will represent AEW around the world is a bad idea and a locker room with 1,000 male wrestlers doesn’t need a second mid card title to fight over.

You either die a dweeb or live long enough to become a dork.

Inspired by the Usos, I'm creating a T-shirt that says dork since day 1-ish.

Jun 9, 2022 23:28:59 GMT Ed said:

Inspired by the Usos, I'm creating a T-shirt that says dork since day 1-ish.

Create me a Bullet Club like Dweeb Club shirt, and I'll be happy.

Jun 10, 2022 1:46:23 GMT NATH45 said:

Jun 9, 2022 23:28:59 GMT Ed said:

Inspired by the Usos, I'm creating a T-shirt that says dork since day 1-ish.

Create me a Bullet Club like Dweeb Club shirt, and I'll be happy.

The Bullet Club logo but with wide framed glasses and a neck beard would actually sell really well in an ironic way. You're on to something.

Jun 9, 2022 22:34:09 GMT RT said:

Jun 9, 2022 18:32:32 GMT NATH45 said:

Welcome to 5 days ago.

Shut up, dweeb.

(Jk)

So should we all argue about the All Atlantic Championship or not? Because myself and most of the internet love it yet in the party thread everyone acted like having a 3rd legitimate title that will represent AEW around the world is a bad idea and a locker room with 1,000 male wrestlers doesn’t need a second mid card title to fight over.

I like it.

I think the Owen Hart belt should be a once off, won in that moment and treated like a KOTR type accolade. Then it's off television within a month. And the TNT title.. retired - what does it represent? The network? Unless they put a 10 minute time draw on it, get rid of it.

Then on top of that, there's a couple of ROH belts floating around that could really take it's place in the pecking order.

Jun 10, 2022 1:55:33 GMT NATH45 said:

Jun 9, 2022 22:34:09 GMT RT said:

Shut up, dweeb.

(Jk)

So should we all argue about the All Atlantic Championship or not? Because myself and most of the internet love it yet in the party thread everyone acted like having a 3rd legitimate title that will represent AEW around the world is a bad idea and a locker room with 1,000 male wrestlers doesn’t need a second mid card title to fight over.

I like it.

I think the Owen Hart belt should be a once off, won in that moment and treated like a KOTR type accolade. Then it's off television within a month. And the TNT title.. retired - what does it represent? The network? Unless they put a 10 minute time draw on it, get rid of it.

Then on top of that, there's a couple of ROH belts floating around that could really take it's place in the pecking order.

This is why I like you. As much as we have differing views on entertainment we both seem to get it in an overall sense.

The Owen Hart belt is a one off but if Adam Cole is going to carry it around for a year then BARF. If he stops wearing it soon, fine, but if he doesn, then fuck that. Creating belts for the tournament is fine, but it's really fucking stupid that him and Britt are going to carry these things around knowing that nobody can challenge them for them. Either treat it like the King of Pro Wrestling title in NJPW where someone can fight for it every now and then, or stick the belt in a case until next year.

The TNT title is only suffering because of the awful booking. It's ok to fuck up a storyline here and there, but they should have recognized their fault 2 months ago and get that thing off ATT/Sammy. Wardlow finally stepping up last night was such a relief. Thank god he's going to put that to an end. And yeah, if you're going to have your own version of a television title, then it should be defended every week, no exceptions. Either defend it on Dynamite or Rampage, and do it without Dan Lamboomer ranting for 10 minutes before or after. Hopefully they learned from their mistakes and Wardlow is going to take it, then do an open challenge John Cena type thing where he lets anyone that comes for the title have their shot and kicks their ass every week until the next PPV. Go full Goldberg with him ffs.

As for the ROH belts, I'm fine with what they've done to keep the titles relevant, but they really need to figure out an ROH show sooner rather than later. Tony bought the company without a TV deal lined up and it's super obvious that he's eating that cost right now. Fucking drop one of the two Dark shows you have and do ROH on Monday nights free on YouTube in the meantime! Why is this so hard!? You'd get the same viewers or more and you'd be fine! Nobody watches Elevation! And anyone on Elevation could be an ROH star tomorrow! AHHH! 

An excessive number of titles dilutes, or potentially dilutes the value of other titles. It was always a head-scratcher why someone would pursue WWE's " Big Gold Belt " the World Heavyweight Championship, when the WWE Championship was apparently the top prize. Especially wasting a MITB cash-in on a secondary title.

The risk is, a guy like Adam Cole wears/defends the Owen Hart Title like it's actually worth a damn instead of gunning for the AEW Title - in theory if Cole doesn't care about the AEW World title enough to make it a priority, then it aint worth that much. Joe, the same way with the ROH strap. I'm sure either man main eventing for the AEW belt would be a sight to behold.

It's also potentially lazy booking, instead of a quality storyline to build on - the title becomes " something for XYZ to do " something to keep them on TV.

OK, so let's start from the top: the All-Atlantic Championship is a stupid name for a title that's being debuted on a US-Japan cross-promotional show. As you said RT, it was clear TK wanted to make a Mid-Atlantic reference but this was not the opportunity.

I don't think this was the time either to debut a new title. On top of the 11 championships that are represented on AEW television, you also have to account for all the IWGP Championships that will be featured on the show. That's a lot of divisions to be mindful of and there's no way you can book them as strongly as possible. In fact that's one of the biggest issues with AEW right now with interim champions and struggling divisions that need a saviour who has no interest in the interim championship but 21 other saps did...

...it's a mess. Especially since the value of this title to me is basically a peace offering between the two companies where AEW can put over one of the NJPW guys and they can have their spot on NJPW shows duking it out for that title and vice versa. The issue is that it'll be out of sight out of mind and who do you put in on? NJPW already have the US Championship which was designed for that very reason and that title has been held by big name AEW talent so it feels like a waste.

Especially since the appeal of the show is potentially seeing Tanahashi (or Goto...) win the interim championship. That to me was a really good premise and it'd be great to see NJPW actually give AEW a run for it's money after AEW has virtually treated it like the minor leagues from day one.

Again it's just another division to deal with when AEW should be trying to sort everything else out because all the champions right now leave something to be desired.

Jun 9, 2022 22:34:09 GMT RT said:

Jun 9, 2022 18:32:32 GMT NATH45 said:

Welcome to 5 days ago.

Shut up, dweeb.

(Jk)

So should we all argue about the All Atlantic Championship or not? Because myself and most of the internet love it yet in the party thread everyone acted like having a 3rd legitimate title that will represent AEW around the world is a bad idea and a locker room with 1,000 male wrestlers doesn’t need a second mid card title to fight over.

Wait, wha'd I miss? (Haven't been following, work has been all-consuming the past few weeks)

AEW made a belt pretty much for the express purpose of Forbidden Door stuff? Like some sort of 'we need stakes so these aren't exhibition matches, but we aren't going to let our real titles leave the promotion so we'll create a new one we won't miss if it goes on excursion?'

I'm not saying the booking of the TNT title has been good but it was great for a long time. Now, it's a low point but I'll be worried if things remain the same 6 months from now.

Jun 10, 2022 18:53:55 GMT Michinokudriver said:

Jun 9, 2022 22:34:09 GMT RT said:

Shut up, dweeb.

(Jk)

So should we all argue about the All Atlantic Championship or not? Because myself and most of the internet love it yet in the party thread everyone acted like having a 3rd legitimate title that will represent AEW around the world is a bad idea and a locker room with 1,000 male wrestlers doesn’t need a second mid card title to fight over.

Wait, wha'd I miss? (Haven't been following, work has been all-consuming the past few weeks)

AEW made a belt pretty much for the express purpose of Forbidden Door stuff? Like some sort of 'we need stakes so these aren't exhibition matches, but we aren't going to let our real titles leave the promotion so we'll create a new one we won't miss if it goes on excursion?'

My post was mostly speculation but with how they’re promoting the tournament and the title it seems like it’ll get passed around AEW, Impact, NJPW and AAA. Those companies have been gracious with their titles appearing in AEW and changing hands, so I got a feeling this title will go around a little bit as payback.

Jun 11, 2022 3:12:00 GMT RT said:

Jun 10, 2022 18:53:55 GMT Michinokudriver said:

Wait, wha'd I miss? (Haven't been following, work has been all-consuming the past few weeks)

AEW made a belt pretty much for the express purpose of Forbidden Door stuff? Like some sort of 'we need stakes so these aren't exhibition matches, but we aren't going to let our real titles leave the promotion so we'll create a new one we won't miss if it goes on excursion?'

My post was mostly speculation but with how they’re promoting the tournament and the title it seems like it’ll get passed around AEW, Impact, NJPW and AAA. Those companies have been gracious with their titles appearing in AEW and changing hands, so I got a feeling this title will go around a little bit as payback.

AAA is especially generous sometimes it seems like they forgot about their titles.

Jun 10, 2022 19:06:02 GMT Ed said:

I'm not saying the booking of the TNT title has been good but it was great for a long time. Now, it's a low point but I'll be worried if things remain the same 6 months from now.

It's been struggling since Cody left.

Honestly I don't think the belt has been booked that well since it's inception. It came in partly because of the pandemic but also because after promising that he wouldn't challenge for a title and make AEW a vanity promotion, Cody made his own title and booked himself as a vanity champion. Suddenly he was cosplaying as Cena doing the open-challenge shtick before eventually putting over Darby.

Darby was the right choice but he never really had that memorable feud as champion. He was almost like Rey Mysterio where he looked incredibly vulnerable the entire time only to find a way to pull it out of the fire at the death. It never really got a chance to be anything memorable and then Miro won the title. Darby has largely been an after-thought ever since.

Of all the champions, Miro was probably the best because it legitimised the character and allowed him to shed the gamer gimmick in an organic way. However again before he got to have that memorable feud he put Sammy over, got injured and has only just returned to TV.

Sammy was just so up and down as champion. His initial run wasn't very good until Cody got involved and they were able to play on their history. That part of it worked but all the behind the scenes stuff made for a very bizarre feud. It did all culminate in a ladder match that largely everyone enjoyed but again here we are.

Now they're using Wardlow's momentum to save the division and it just seems like a bad decision.

To me Wardlow isn't a TNT Champion.

It's a jobber belt now.

It's like putting the European Championship on Batista. He's better than that, in theory.

He's the number 1 ranked guy, yet.. he's chasing the Television Championship?

Come on... he should be machine-gunning through everything over 230lb to build this guy into a World Champion, not shot-putting midgets. That's like sending Drew McIntyre to 205 Live and expecting him to find credibility beating up guys half his size.

Wardlow as TNT champ comes across as a desperate attempt to save the credibility of the belt.

Here is a scary thought Sky is the only person to pin Jericho twice in AEW while he was champion. And last time people assume Wardlow would win the TNT title. What if Sky beat Wardlow twice?

Jun 12, 2022 0:01:59 GMT Ed said:

Wardlow as TNT champ comes across as a desperate attempt to save the credibility of the belt.

And that’s ok as long as they do something with it. I better see Wardlow defending the title every week and crushing bitches after he wins it.

Wardlow’s reasoning for wanting the TNT title is fine. MJF fucked him over so he has to prove he can win it. And he doesn’t want the world title unless he’s facing CM Punk for the “real” title. I have zero problem with this narrative.

Put the strap on Wardlow and bring it back to Cody Rhodes/Brodie Lee/Darby Allin/Miro level of talent and make sure it fucking stays there.

Strap on a 'Baron Corbin in NXT' element to it, with the audience counting the seconds.

The issue I have with Wardlow going for the TNT title is that you're taking the momentum of one of your main characters and parlaying it to a division that's struggling and for mine has never reached any real heights.

It's not unheard of mind you. However when Stone Cold faced off against Owen Hart for the Intercontinental Championship at SummerSlam '97, Owen was an accepted part of the show and it did tie-in with the Bret Hart storyline which had been a roaring success for Austin. If it was a step-back, it was only a slight step back whereas this is a detour.

It could still work but with the NJPW cross-over, the debut of the new title and all the other mayhem going on there's definitely some concern over whether they can not only come up with good material that keeps Wardlow bubbling along but it also doesn't get buried on the show by all the other storylines they throw onto the show.

Jun 12, 2022 2:19:24 GMT Big Pete said:

The issue I have with Wardlow going for the TNT title is that you're taking the momentum of one of your main characters and parlaying it to a division that's struggling and for mine has never reached any real heights.

It's not unheard of mind you. However when Stone Cold faced off against Owen Hart for the Intercontinental Championship at SummerSlam '97, Owen was an accepted part of the show and it did tie-in with the Bret Hart storyline which had been a roaring success for Austin. If it was a step-back, it was only a slight step back whereas this is a detour.

It could still work but with the NJPW cross-over, the debut of the new title and all the other mayhem going on there's definitely some concern over whether they can not only come up with good material that keeps Wardlow bubbling along but it also doesn't get buried on the show by all the other storylines they throw onto the show.

Honestly I feel like the best course of action is for Wardlow to just murder Scorpio Sky and full on squash him. It’s bad for Sky and the 3-4 months they’ve spent on this dogshit storyline with ATT/Sammy, but it would be answering the majority of the fans’ prayers if he just took the title in a matter of seconds and they put this entire awful storyline behind them.

On top of that, give Ethan Page a semi-decent showing against Miro in the All Atlantic tournament, and then you immediately transition into a power struggle with ATT between Page and Sky. Page starts to wonder why he was playing second fiddle this whole time when he was able to handle a monster better than Sky. Give them a mini feud, let PVZ naturally transition into the women’s division distanced from that nonsense, and Dan Lambert can move on to something else since none if those three need him. Give Lambert to someone that can’t talk, or shelf him for a bit until they need him again.

Yeah, Wardlow murdering Sky is the best way to end that awesome ATT story that is a heatsink at this point. Lambert needs to go. He is not bringing the heat they want.

Jun 12, 2022 5:27:00 GMT c said:

Yeah, Wardlow murdering Sky is the best way to end that awesome ATT story that is a heatsink at this point. Lambert needs to go. He is not bringing the heat they want.

I was listening to the latest episode of Foley Is Pod and I thought Mick had a really interesting take on heels. I'm paraphrasing but it was something to the effect that a heel shouldn't be judged by how much heat they bring a feud, but rather how much interest they bring. It's easy enough to get a pavlovian response, it's another thing altogether to really get the fans invested.

With Lambert, I feel like that act is ass backwards. Sky and Page are being used to justify Lambert's presence on television and he's over-shadowing both men.

I was quite critical of Mark Sterling early on, but to his credit when Jade became more confident he knew when to step back and do his part to let her shine. With Lambert his shtick really weighs down the rest of the group and it's not really conducive to the product.

To me, it just seems like Tony took on board that AEW lacked genuine heels, so he gave Lambert a spotlight but he hasn't quite pieced it together to be interesting. Can't fault the effort, but sometimes you also have to draw a line in the sand and sometimes it seems like Tony has issues with cutting the chord and will just wait for things to run their course. Either the talent comes to him or the contract runs out and he doesn't have to deal with them anymore.