Jul 3, 2021 1:06:27 GMT Shootist said:

Jul 3, 2021 0:59:33 GMT Baker said:

I'll play along even if I'm not the biggest fan of open ending Greatest of All Time countdowns simply because I don't think I've seen enough wrestling.

@ck Be careful what you wish for.  I'll try calling it right down the middle but I do have my quirks. I may very well start to play favorites once I get down into the 40s and I don't think you are going to like my favorites. 

Bodydonnas have no chance of making my list. They sucked. Godwinns would totally crack my Top 100 though. 

Strongly object to Shootist 's edict. Midnight Express, Freebirds, Heavenly Bodies, etc. should be separated. 

Now I must go back to pounding the imaginary dislike button for Big Pete 's heinous Young Bucks post. 

Favorite I can understand splitting them up, but greatest just has a larger scope for me.  Dennis and Bobby were together from 83-87, Bobby and Stan from 87-90. Longevity has huge weight on my scale anyway so taking in the overall body of work from 1980-1990 just seems easier to quantify and not splitting hairs.

Personally though people can do what they want.

I get both arguments.  And out of sheer not wanting my head to explode anymore than it is already...I'm going with Shootist.  I just don't want to think that much about where I'm going to put which Freebird/Von Erich/MX/ any other multiple choice tag team combo.  

Yeah just keep them together - or my head will explode.

Already have a tentative Top 50. Now I just need to make sure I didn't forget anybody. The Shootist edict changed my #1.

The serious among you can breathe a sigh of relief since the field was strong enough to eliminate any quirky choices I may have been considering.

I included a few legendary Japanese teams but have no pre-1980 teams on my list at the moment. Of course it's all subject to change until I hit send.

Nearing 60 teams on my rough draft and I had to really stretch to get that many. I have teams from WWWF, WWF, WWE, AWA, Crockett/WCW, Mid South, Memphis, ECW, AJPW, NJPW and RoH covering from the early 60's to present.

Jul 3, 2021 1:01:19 GMT KING KID said:

NEVER FORGET:

The Kid You are the man!! I was a huge fan of these guys back in the day. BTW I like how you are using my NEVER FORGET 

I already got my list done. Just making sure i didn't leave anybody off.

Jul 3, 2021 4:04:31 GMT Da Gr8t I Is said:

Jul 3, 2021 1:01:19 GMT KING KID said:

NEVER FORGET:

The Kid You are the man!! I was a huge fan of these guys back in the day. BTW I like how you are using my NEVER FORGET 

Did we just have our first interaction?

NGL. Huge fan of your posts in the Sports Empire. 

Time to work on this monster, this is going to be harder than I thought, but I'm going to have to be at ease with where they rank eventually.

Edit: Better than I thought.  I got my 50 in without trying to overthink it.  

I forgot American Males existed and now I have to do my entire list over because they are clearly my new #1.

Hey are we calling The Von Erichs a tag team or a stable? One can argue The Fabulous Freebirds or the Minnesota Wrecking Crew were a stable, but they were more known for their tag team runs and imo are tag teams...do The Von Erichs fall under that umbrella? I'm less familiar with them.

That American Males gif really is game-changing. Kudos to KING KID for sharing it.

Also I need someone to jog my memory on Japanese tag teams from before 2000. I'm certain there's an AJPW or NJPW team that was huge in the 80s or 90s that I'm forgetting.

I just put down the Von Erichs and The Freebirds...nothing else.

Jul 3, 2021 22:59:10 GMT RT said:

Also I need someone to jog my memory on Japanese tag teams from before 2000. I'm certain there's an AJPW or NJPW team that was huge in the 80s or 90s that I'm forgetting.

Holy Demon Army

Miracle Violence Connection

I don't care they were essentially jobbers and a vehicle to get Rikishi over as a babyface, they were so great from a fan's perspective in 2000.

Writing Hollywood Blonds 49 times, then Sabu & RVD at #50

Jul 3, 2021 23:00:02 GMT @ck said:

Jul 3, 2021 22:59:10 GMT RT said:

Also I need someone to jog my memory on Japanese tag teams from before 2000. I'm certain there's an AJPW or NJPW team that was huge in the 80s or 90s that I'm forgetting.

Holy Demon Army

Miracle Violence Connection

MVC I remembered. HDA will be added to the list. Thank you.

Also Misawa & Kobashi were a tag team but were more well known for their rivalry...I might leave them off because of that. Same reason I'm not including Kevin Steen & El Generico.


I dunno....this is haaaard.

Jul 3, 2021 23:25:17 GMT RT said:

Jul 3, 2021 23:00:02 GMT @ck said:

Holy Demon Army

Miracle Violence Connection

MVC I remembered. HDA will be added to the list. Thank you.
 
Also Misawa & Kobashi were a tag team but were more well known for their rivalry...I might leave them off because of that. Same reason I'm not including Kevin Steen & El Generico.


I dunno....this is haaaard.

Misawa/Kawada were a team as well, also Genchiro Tenryu and Jumbo Tsuruta, Hansen and Brody, The Funks, AJPW was pretty stacked.

For NJPW pre 2000 I have Chono and Tenzan and that's about it.

Jul 3, 2021 23:25:17 GMT RT said:

I dunno....this is haaaard.

I feel this.

Thought I'd be able to knock this one out pretty quickly but I just kept thinking of more and more worthy teams before finally taking a break.

I spoke in haste when I said the Godwinns would be a Top 100 team. 

Another Japanese team worth considering is the Crush Gals. Right now they're towards the bottom of my list as a respect vote but the truth is they're in the running for most over tag team of all time. 

Regardless of how this countdown turns out the real winners have already been decided- KING KID and The American Males...American Males...American Males...American Males.

Jul 4, 2021 0:17:14 GMT Shootist said:

Jul 3, 2021 23:25:17 GMT RT said:

MVC I remembered. HDA will be added to the list. Thank you.
 
Also Misawa & Kobashi were a tag team but were more well known for their rivalry...I might leave them off because of that. Same reason I'm not including Kevin Steen & El Generico.


I dunno....this is haaaard.

Misawa/Kawada were a team as well, also Genchiro Tenryu and Jumbo Tsuruta, Hansen and Brody, The Funks, AJPW was pretty stacked.

For NJPW pre 2000 I have Chono and Tenzan and that's about it.

I have the Funks and Hansen/Brody along with the other 2 teams I named.

I'm gonna make countdown bingo cards. Let's see who wins.

Also for your consideration....

Jul 4, 2021 1:49:28 GMT RT said:

Also for your consideration....

Yo bro. How true! How sexist of me not to even consider women teams. Well one team. Fuck the Bellas. IIconics for life. 

So let's talk about our Cucamanga overlords - the Young Bucks. I'm just going to throw my perception against the wall and you guys can poke holes or fill in whatever gaps I could be missing.

I haven't seen any of their work pre-Generation Me work but from what I'm led to believe they were one of the better teams in 2009 and there was some excitement about them joining TNA.

I'm prepared to say their TNA run was largely a bust and they were largely just good dance partners for the Motor City Machine Guns. Outside of having good matches with MCMG, I think they jobbed out to Bischoff in a segment.

They get their release in 2011 and they replace the Kings of Wrestling in ROH and help put PWG on the map as the new super-indie. ROH doesn't work out and their ultimately fed to the Briscoe Brothers at the 10th Anniversary Show before getting jobbed out. In PWG it's a different story and they became the focus of the show while feuding with Future Shock (Adam Cole & Kyle O'Reilly) and the Super Smash Bros. (aka The Dark Order - Evil Uno & Stu Grayson) leading to one of the most infamous ladder matches of the decade. It's there they form Mt Rushmore with Adam Cole and Kevin Steen which was basically the proto version of The Elite. It would later involve Super Dragon and Roderick Strong.

As PWG grows in popularity, Delirious brings them back to ROH where they're pushed as a special attraction, meanwhile Okada gets them a spot in NJPW as the junior tag representatives of the Bullet Club - Prince Devitt's stable made up of foreigners. The Bucks help achieve ROH some of the biggest success it has and while they're apart of a growth period for NJPW they're not treated like stars. At their absolute peak, they were flunkies for Kenny Omega but largely they worked the Junior Tag Team matches. These matches could be very entertaining but were largely treated like prelim matches. To their credit, the Bucks did break out of that division and join the heavyweight tag division leading to a match with the Golden Lovers which was considered a great match.

Their popularity continues to grow, their merch does wonderful numbers and they become the first promoters since Eric Bischoff to draw 10,000 fans to a non-WWE show. This movements leads Tony Khan to launch AEW where their run as a tag team is a major focal point. They draw some great gates and buyrates while having stand out match after stand out match.

So far agree or disagree?

Let's establish a few things.

Longevity - Check. 17 years as a tag team.

Great matches - Check. Not only does Meltzer enjoy their matches but fans on here have enjoyed their ulta-athletic style. Not only that, but also display plenty of personality in the ring that either draws laughs or pisses fans off.

Personality - Check. Hit YouTube show which helped launch a promotion.

What criteria matters to you guys? Do they have to be larger than life? Is the referential style too polarising?

Because so far my list is looking like

1. Young Bucks
...
497. The Iiconics.

I have the Young Bucks on my list, but not #1. As far as criteria, it's hard to figure out something that works between decades. In fact it's impossible in my eyes. I'd look at a team and think what would they do in the 70's, 80's and on? Not perfect, but I used that and is this team still talked about/will they still be or what is their value long term? Also, longevity mattered to me, how long were they together? There's a reason(s) certain teams are always talked about...however many years after their careers are over.

Jul 4, 2021 10:24:01 GMT Big Pete said:

So let's talk about our Cucamanga overlords - the Young Bucks. I'm just going to throw my perception against the wall and you guys can poke holes or fill in whatever gaps I could be missing.

I haven't seen any of their work pre-Generation Me work but from what I'm led to believe they were one of the better teams in 2009 and there was some excitement about them joining TNA.

I'm prepared to say their TNA run was largely a bust and they were largely just good dance partners for the Motor City Machine Guns. Outside of having good matches with MCMG, I think they jobbed out to Bischoff in a segment.

They get their release in 2011 and they replace the Kings of Wrestling in ROH and help put PWG on the map as the new super-indie. ROH doesn't work out and their ultimately fed to the Briscoe Brothers at the 10th Anniversary Show before getting jobbed out. In PWG it's a different story and they became the focus of the show while feuding with Future Shock (Adam Cole & Kyle O'Reilly) and the Super Smash Bros. (aka The Dark Order - Evil Uno & Stu Grayson) leading to one of the most infamous ladder matches of the decade. It's there they form Mt Rushmore with Adam Cole and Kevin Steen which was basically the proto version of The Elite. It would later involve Super Dragon and Roderick Strong.

As PWG grows in popularity, Delirious brings them back to ROH where they're pushed as a special attraction, meanwhile Okada gets them a spot in NJPW as the junior tag representatives of the Bullet Club - Prince Devitt's stable made up of foreigners. The Bucks help achieve ROH some of the biggest success it has and while they're apart of a growth period for NJPW they're not treated like stars. At their absolute peak, they were flunkies for Kenny Omega but largely they worked the Junior Tag Team matches. These matches could be very entertaining but were largely treated like prelim matches. To their credit, the Bucks did break out of that division and join the heavyweight tag division leading to a match with the Golden Lovers which was considered a great match.

Their popularity continues to grow, their merch does wonderful numbers and they become the first promoters since Eric Bischoff to draw 10,000 fans to a non-WWE show. This movements leads Tony Khan to launch AEW where their run as a tag team is a major focal point. They draw some great gates and buyrates while having stand out match after stand out match.

So far agree or disagree?

Let's establish a few things.

Longevity - Check. 17 years as a tag team.

Great matches - Check. Not only does Meltzer enjoy their matches but fans on here have enjoyed their ulta-athletic style. Not only that, but also display plenty of personality in the ring that either draws laughs or pisses fans off.

Personality - Check. Hit YouTube show which helped launch a promotion.

What criteria matters to you guys? Do they have to be larger than life? Is the referential style too polarising?

Because so far my list is looking like

1. Young Bucks
...
497. The Iiconics.

My weighted criteria, from least important to most important:

Kayfabe success score out of 10
In ring work score out of 15
Longevity score out of of 25
Drawing Power score out of 30
Overall legacy and impact score out of 100

Can you believe I'm actually doing a spreadsheet for pro wrestling?

Yeah I'm not doing metrics. Favorite and best has always been the same word for me.

I could be alone on this, but one criteria that matters to me are rivalries. Did you have meaningful programs with other teams that got heated? It's one of the keys why those three Attitude Era tag teams are so memorable to me because they had that huge three-way rivalry with memorable matches and segments. Similar deal with the SmackDown Six and the Los Guerreros who didn't tag that long together but I can immediately think of their matches during that era.

I'm working on my list. I'm finding it hard because there are teams that are worthy of being high up on a greatest list, but I just don't like them. Top 10 is fairly straightforward, I think. Outside of that it's pretty random.

Jul 4, 2021 21:05:02 GMT Rogue said:

I'm working on my list. I'm finding it hard because there are teams that are worthy of being high up on a greatest list, but I just don't like them. Top 10 is fairly straightforward, I think. Outside of that it's pretty random.

One my my least favorite teams of all time is a lock for the top 3.