Jul 5, 2021 0:11:28 GMT Shootist said:

Jul 4, 2021 21:05:02 GMT Rogue said:

I'm working on my list. I'm finding it hard because there are teams that are worthy of being high up on a greatest list, but I just don't like them. Top 10 is fairly straightforward, I think. Outside of that it's pretty random.

One my my least favorite teams of all time is a lock for the top 3.

Agreeing with Shootist here, my list would look way different if it had to do with "like."  I despise one of the teams in my top 5 and don't like about 5 in the top 20.  I can overlook that and still give them credit.

Jul 4, 2021 17:46:38 GMT Shootist said:

My weighted criteria, from least important to most important:

Kayfabe success score out of 10
In ring work score out of 15
Longevity score out of of 25
Drawing Power score out of 30
Overall legacy and impact score out of 100

Can you believe I'm actually doing a spreadsheet for pro wrestling?

Shoot just joined KING KID and the American Males as the real winners of this countdown. I'm not doing anywhere near that much work for this one, but I did something similar for my 200 Favorite Wrestlers list, and went all out with the STATS for an old UT "Greatest NFL Franchise" countdown.

There are several teams currently in my Top 15 that I never cared much for. 

I'm not as high on the Young Bucks as Big Pete is purporting to be, but I do have them higher than you'd probably think, and certainly higher than I'd ever want. Trying my best to play it fair and call it right down the middle, Fonzie style, even if it does lead to gritting my teeth as in the case of the Young Bucks.

Jul 5, 2021 3:20:09 GMT Baker said:

Jul 4, 2021 17:46:38 GMT Shootist said:

My weighted criteria, from least important to most important:

Kayfabe success score out of 10
In ring work score out of 15
Longevity score out of of 25
Drawing Power score out of 30
Overall legacy and impact score out of 100

Can you believe I'm actually doing a spreadsheet for pro wrestling?

I'm not as high on the Young Bucks as Big Pete is purporting to be, but I do have them higher than you'd probably think, and certainly higher than I'd ever want. Trying my best to play it fair and call it right down the middle, Fonzie style, even if it does lead to gritting my teeth as in the case of the Young Bucks.

Oh I gritted my teeth too with the Bucks, right now they are a few spots ahead of one of the most lauded tag teams amongst the PW history regulars on my list.

I might have my list in at the end of the week, I still have some footage to watch and let things sit for awhile as I do some tweaking.

That's the difficult process with a greatest list, you have to put your own personal preferences aside and go with this idea that perception is reality. The Bucks irk me just as much as they entertain me. Their hot tag segments where Matt Jackson transforms into a Road Warrior and starts hitting continuous Northern Light Suplexes takes me out of their matches but that go-go-go style has made them the most over tag team in Pro Wrestling today and puts them in that conversation with the Road Warriors.

I don't have a criteria I'm following and am just consulting as many lists as I can. I was able to pretty much bang out my top 20 without thinking too hard, with some minor adjustments as I remembered/read about more teams, then after that it was just kind of feeling out the rest of the list with who I felt was deserving to be in the top 50.

I posted The IIconics because I think they deserve some consideration. The WWE created women's tag team belts pretty much only because of them. Yeah they used the whole Sasha Banks/Bayley angle to bring in the titles, but we all know why they were really there and why The IIconics were the ones to take the titles off them. Even the WWE couldn't ignore what they had with those two women and had to recognize that with a stacked women's roster comes tag teams.

Yes women's tag team wrestling has been a thing before but I don't think you could have said it was anywhere on the same level as men's tag team wrestling until The IIconics came along. Not in a mainstream setting, anyway.

They pretty much single-handedly legitimized women's tag teams in the biggest wrestling company ever. And they're looking to continue on as a tag team after their releases, having trademarked The IInspiration or whatever they're calling themselves next.

I understand they probably won't make many lists, if any, but I dropped them near the bottom of my list for these reasons. I was going through my 45-50 and just slapping down tag teams I forgot about that I felt deserved a top 50 spot for no other reason than personal bias, then I thought "hey, why not?"

If peeps are gonna rep the Iiconics, let this be a PSA to please not forget the Jumping Bomb Angels.

They were essentially Low Ki moveset-wise but in 1987.

PLEASE NUMBERS YO DAM LISTS~!

Jul 6, 2021 18:11:43 GMT UT said:

PLEASE NUMBERS YO DAM LISTS~!

I DID Wait I think I did well I DID! 

How's everyone going with their lists?

I've got a rough draft of 50, I'd say at least half I haven't seen their work (or extremely little of it) but I'm going more by reputation. Hardly any WWF Tag Teams made the Top 10, Bucks didn't make the Top 10 and I found room for the Jumping Bomb Angels. I'm curious if you guys are just voting from your own perspective or are you also trying to place some of those historic tag teams like La Pareja Atomica & Rocca/Perez?

Jul 7, 2021 12:11:13 GMT Big Pete said:

How's everyone going with their lists?

I've got a rough draft of 50, I'd say at least half I haven't seen their work (or extremely little of it) but I'm going more by reputation. Hardly any WWF Tag Teams made the Top 10, Bucks didn't make the Top 10 and I found room for the Jumping Bomb Angels. I'm curious if you guys are just voting from your own perspective or are you also trying to place some of those historic tag teams like La Pareja Atomica & Rocca/Perez?

Oh what the fuck, was your sell job for the Bucks sarcasm!? Largely due to you, I was convinced to begrudgingly rate the Bucks way high. Goddamnnit, Big Pete!

Jul 7, 2021 12:14:33 GMT 🤯 said:

Jul 7, 2021 12:11:13 GMT Big Pete said:

How's everyone going with their lists?

I've got a rough draft of 50, I'd say at least half I haven't seen their work (or extremely little of it) but I'm going more by reputation. Hardly any WWF Tag Teams made the Top 10, Bucks didn't make the Top 10 and I found room for the Jumping Bomb Angels. I'm curious if you guys are just voting from your own perspective or are you also trying to place some of those historic tag teams like La Pareja Atomica & Rocca/Perez?

Oh what the fuck, was your sell job for the Bucks sarcasm!? Largely due to you, I was convinced to begrudgingly rate the Bucks way high. Goddamnnit, Big Pete !

Mate couldn't you tell I was cutting a heel promo and I was waiting for a white meat babyface to fire up and put me in my place?

I mean whoop de doo, Jeff freakin' Jarrett launched his own global wrestling federation with a much larger audience and everyone keeps quoting Mike Graham at him.

This sounded like a great idea (still is) but putting together a list is a real pain in the ass. A lot of bullshit tag teams and there's really only 8-9 teams I find elite. And not all elite.

Jul 7, 2021 12:11:13 GMT Big Pete said:

How's everyone going with their lists?

I've got a rough draft of 50, I'd say at least half I haven't seen their work (or extremely little of it) but I'm going more by reputation. Hardly any WWF Tag Teams made the Top 10, Bucks didn't make the Top 10 and I found room for the Jumping Bomb Angels. I'm curious if you guys are just voting from your own perspective or are you also trying to place some of those historic tag teams like La Pareja Atomica & Rocca/Perez?

I tried looking up some more historical tag teams/Mexican teams but couldn't really find much. Nearly every google search came up with roughly the same lists. I figure if those historic tag teams didn't stand the test of time then they don't really need to be in a top 50.

Jul 7, 2021 12:14:33 GMT 🤯 said:

Jul 7, 2021 12:11:13 GMT Big Pete said:

How's everyone going with their lists?

I've got a rough draft of 50, I'd say at least half I haven't seen their work (or extremely little of it) but I'm going more by reputation. Hardly any WWF Tag Teams made the Top 10, Bucks didn't make the Top 10 and I found room for the Jumping Bomb Angels. I'm curious if you guys are just voting from your own perspective or are you also trying to place some of those historic tag teams like La Pareja Atomica & Rocca/Perez?

Oh what the fuck, was your sell job for the Bucks sarcasm!? Largely due to you, I was convinced to begrudgingly rate the Bucks way high. Goddamnnit, Big Pete !

Don't listen to him. The Young Bucks deserve to be way high, and I'm going to need reasons why someone wouldn't put them in their top 10. I can maaaaybe see top 15. But that's pushing it.

Heel promo or not, Big Pete was spitting straight facts. Love em or hate em they're one of the greatest to ever do it.

You guys are selling me on the Young Bucks.

Also who the fuck sends a list and doesn't number it?! How lazy. LOL!

And is @ness doing a list?

If so; I expect it to have teams in positions where he can just fuck the rankings up. 2 Cool at #1, Hardy Boyz at 50.

Jul 7, 2021 16:41:31 GMT KING KID said:

And is @ness doing a list?

If so; I expect it to have teams in positions where he can just fuck the rankings up. 2 Cool at #1, Hardy Boyz at 50.

Its not intentional but a ton of lists of mine are top 10 locks and then filler.

Even putting Step Brothers at #1 didn't change much. Odds are I'll be too lazy to do one though.

Jul 7, 2021 16:30:04 GMT RT said:

Jul 7, 2021 12:11:13 GMT Big Pete said:

How's everyone going with their lists?

I've got a rough draft of 50, I'd say at least half I haven't seen their work (or extremely little of it) but I'm going more by reputation. Hardly any WWF Tag Teams made the Top 10, Bucks didn't make the Top 10 and I found room for the Jumping Bomb Angels. I'm curious if you guys are just voting from your own perspective or are you also trying to place some of those historic tag teams like La Pareja Atomica & Rocca/Perez?

I tried looking up some more historical tag teams/Mexican teams but couldn't really find much. Nearly every google search came up with roughly the same lists. I figure if those historic tag teams didn't stand the test of time then they don't really need to be in a top 50.

Jul 7, 2021 12:14:33 GMT 🤯 said:

Oh what the fuck, was your sell job for the Bucks sarcasm!? Largely due to you, I was convinced to begrudgingly rate the Bucks way high. Goddamnnit, Big Pete !

Don't listen to him. The Young Bucks deserve to be way high, and I'm going to need reasons why someone wouldn't put them in their top 10. I can maaaaybe see top 15. But that's pushing it.

Heel promo or not, Big Pete was spitting straight facts. Love em or hate em they're one of the greatest to ever do it.

It's a frankenstein's monster of research where I'm constantly cross-referencing between archival websites, wikipedia, cagematch.com or any other place that keeps records of title reigns and match cards. The basic gist is that tag team wrestling took off in lucha libre and is treated with much more reverene there than any other territory. I didn't go all in with the lucha libre teams but I was pretty high on a few teams since they were meant to be cultural heroes. In the US from what I gather it didn't really start to get over until the mid-50s and it peaked around the mid-to late 60s with established tag team bouts became less frequent in the 70s.

After considering all those other tag teams, I have the Bucks somewhere in the 20s. When it's all said and done they could be in the 10s but I still feel they could go either way. Still they're the only modern team that's a lock for my list. I have two other teams but they're in that Jumping Bomb Angels position where they're getting a shout out.

One of them may or may not be the Iiconics.

I know a bit about wrestling and have been a part of it for years , and part of PW for almost two decades and even when I’m not posting - I’m always reading the history section. Even back to the days of RINGKING so the way I figure … even if I’m no expert by any stretch of the imagination , if I’ve made it this long without hearing about a certain tag team that might belong on a greatest list - than they probably don’t belong on a greatest list.

That was my approach anyways.

So this list is looking like a mess. I think I'ma sleep on it before sending it in.

Jul 7, 2021 19:46:31 GMT KING KID said:

So this list is looking like a mess. I think I'ma sleep on it before sending it in.

I just ended up shaping mine like the state of Minnesota.

Jul 7, 2021 19:56:58 GMT 🤯 said:

Jul 7, 2021 19:46:31 GMT KING KID said:

So this list is looking like a mess. I think I'ma sleep on it before sending it in.

I just ended up shaping mine like the state of Minnesota.

He's not lying. His list was oddly shaped. 

Should have just counted it as one big vote for MWC. 

Jul 7, 2021 21:42:01 GMT UT said:

Jul 7, 2021 19:56:58 GMT 🤯 said:

I just ended up shaping mine like the state of Minnesota.

He's not lying. His list was oddly shaped. 

Should have just counted it as one big vote for MWC. 

*Minnesota Stretching Crew

Brock is the single greatest singles AND tag team wrestler EVER.

Jul 7, 2021 21:54:34 GMT 🤯 said:

Jul 7, 2021 21:42:01 GMT UT said:

He's not lying. His list was oddly shaped. 

Should have just counted it as one big vote for MWC. 

*Minnesota Stretching Crew

Brock is the single greatest singles AND tag team wrestler EVER.

Brock is from South Dakota you newb. 

Jul 7, 2021 21:54:34 GMT 🤯 said:

Jul 7, 2021 21:42:01 GMT UT said:

He's not lying. His list was oddly shaped. 

Should have just counted it as one big vote for MWC. 

*Minnesota Stretching Crew

Brock is the single greatest singles AND tag team wrestler EVER.

There was a tag team back in the mid 2000s called the Minnesota Home Wrecking Crew. Yeah they were female heels.

Minnesota sounds great.

Jul 7, 2021 21:58:53 GMT UT said:

Jul 7, 2021 21:54:34 GMT 🤯 said:

*Minnesota Stretching Crew

Brock is the single greatest singles AND tag team wrestler EVER.

Brock is from South Dakota you newb. 

I didn't name the team. I just recognized their greatness immediately.

Jul 7, 2021 21:59:53 GMT @ness said:

Jul 7, 2021 21:54:34 GMT 🤯 said:

*Minnesota Stretching Crew

Brock is the single greatest singles AND tag team wrestler EVER.

There was a tag team back in the mid 2000s called the Minnesota Home Wrecking Crew. Yeah they were female heels.

Minnesota sounds great.

It’s not.

Jul 7, 2021 22:50:45 GMT 🤯 said:

Jul 7, 2021 21:58:53 GMT UT said:

Brock is from South Dakota you newb. 

I didn't name the team. I just recognized their greatness immediately.

I didn’t realize it was an actual team. Couple of dorks.

I've received unnumbered list when running countdowns. Buncha jabronies...

My list is predictably WWF/NWA/WCW-centric with 12 of my top 13 teams largely making their names in the Big Two. 

I'm amused by Big Pete inadvertently getting everybody to move the Young Bucks up their lists with some Beastie Boys level failed trolling. Fwiw I had the Bucks just inside my Top 15 before Pete's post. They're currently my highest ranked tag team of the 2010s and beyond. Is that a mistake? Should New Day, Usos, and The Shield be higher? As of now I have all those teams a little behind the Bucks. 

Didn't even think of any Lucha teams. Back to the drawing board I go. Eddie & Art Barr at least deserve consideration. They were the top Lucha team of the 90s as far as the general IWC was concerned while the top Lucha team of the 2000s was widely considered to be Rey Buccanero & Ultimo Guerrero if any of you are still interested in diversifying your lists.  

I haven't made up my mind about what to do with older teams. They'll either make up most of my 40s or all get cut. The further back you go the more can of worms you open. If Andersons, why not Funks? If Funks, why not Briscos? If Briscos, why not Steamboat & Youngblood? And the next thing you know I've got all of them on my list along with Stevens & Patterson, the Wild Samoans, the Valiants, Fuji & Tanaka, and pioneering teams such as the Fabulous Kangaroos and Dusek Riot Squad. Then I get annoyed at having to cut successful teams from my era.

There's only one team I'm playing favorites with. Never won any titles in the Big Two but I refuse to cut them. They'll likely be my #50. 

Jul 8, 2021 0:12:34 GMT Baker said:

I've received unnumbered list when running countdowns. Buncha jabronies...

My list is predictably WWF/NWA/WCW-centric with 12 of my top 13 teams largely making their names in the Big Two. 

I'm amused by Big Pete inadvertently getting everybody to move the Young Bucks up their lists with some Beastie Boys level failed trolling. Fwiw I had the Bucks just inside my Top 15 before Pete's post. They're currently my highest ranked tag team of the 2010s and beyond. Is that a mistake? Should New Day, Usos, and The Shield be higher? As of now I have all those teams a little behind the Bucks. 

Didn't even think of any Lucha teams. Back to the drawing board I go. Eddie & Art Barr at least deserve consideration. They were the top Lucha team of the 90s as far as the general IWC was concerned while the top Lucha team of the 2000s was widely considered to be Rey Buccanero & Ultimo Guerrero if any of you are still interested in diversifying your lists.  

I haven't made up my mind about what to do with older teams. They'll either make up most of my 40s or all get cut. The further back you go the more can of worms you open. If Andersons, why not Funks? If Funks, why not Briscos? If Briscos, why not Steamboat & Youngblood? And the next thing you know I've got all of them on my list along with Stevens & Patterson, the Wild Samoans, the Valiants, Fuji & Tanaka, and pioneering teams such as the Fabulous Kangaroos and Dusek Riot Squad. Then I get annoyed at having to cut successful teams from my era.

There's only one team I'm playing favorites with. Never won any titles in the Big Two but I refuse to cut them. They'll likely be my #50. 

Time to stir the pot, any history of wresting greatest tag team list worth a damn needs these highlighted teams on their list. I find it kind of ignorant to at least not read up on the teams from yesteryear.

Jul 8, 2021 0:26:45 GMT Shootist said:

Jul 8, 2021 0:12:34 GMT Baker said:

I've received unnumbered list when running countdowns. Buncha jabronies...

My list is predictably WWF/NWA/WCW-centric with 12 of my top 13 teams largely making their names in the Big Two. 

I'm amused by Big Pete inadvertently getting everybody to move the Young Bucks up their lists with some Beastie Boys level failed trolling. Fwiw I had the Bucks just inside my Top 15 before Pete's post. They're currently my highest ranked tag team of the 2010s and beyond. Is that a mistake? Should New Day, Usos, and The Shield be higher? As of now I have all those teams a little behind the Bucks. 

Didn't even think of any Lucha teams. Back to the drawing board I go. Eddie & Art Barr at least deserve consideration. They were the top Lucha team of the 90s as far as the general IWC was concerned while the top Lucha team of the 2000s was widely considered to be Rey Buccanero & Ultimo Guerrero if any of you are still interested in diversifying your lists.  

I haven't made up my mind about what to do with older teams. They'll either make up most of my 40s or all get cut. The further back you go the more can of worms you open. If Andersons, why not Funks? If Funks, why not Briscos? If Briscos, why not Steamboat & Youngblood? And the next thing you know I've got all of them on my list along with Stevens & Patterson, the Wild Samoans, the Valiants, Fuji & Tanaka, and pioneering teams such as the Fabulous Kangaroos and Dusek Riot Squad. Then I get annoyed at having to cut successful teams from my era.

There's only one team I'm playing favorites with. Never won any titles in the Big Two but I refuse to cut them. They'll likely be my #50. 

Time to stir the pot, any history of wresting greatest tag team list worth a damn needs these highlighted teams on their list. I find it kind of ignorant to at least not read up on the teams from yesteryear.

I went specifically with teams I saw.  Some of the highlighted teams made it, but not all, though most were considered.  If that's wrong...oh well.