I don’t disagree and ain’t saying that those are necessarily my favorite matches but they highlight USUALLY the most famous ones as well which is more less what I’m looking for.

Cagematch has WON ratings but they also have user ratings and a bunch from the 80s are rated but apparently not as much Blonde Bombers.

I just don’t want to list random house show or TV tapings and lead posters who might be interested in checking them out on a wild goose chase for a match that doesn’t exist on tape.

But yea … Screw Meltzer in general.

Patterson & Stevens- Legendary team deserving of a spot on our list. Big deal in San Francisco, the AWA, and probably some other places. Old timers still consider them one of the best in ring teams ever.

But I must confess to not voting for them. Lack of footage does hurt. But I'll admit a stronger reason for making them a late cut is because I was insistent on making sure a few successful personal favorite teams snuck on my list in the 40s. I was able justify it to myself upon discovering Patterson & Stevens only held one "Big Three" tag team championship- the AWA Tag Titles- and for less time than Badd Company (Orient Express) or The Destruction Crew (Beverly Brothers). 

Jul 22, 2021 19:15:36 GMT Shootist said:

Jul 22, 2021 14:50:34 GMT 🤯 said:

Did Patterson & Stevens ever wrestle Jack & Jerry Brisco? Talk about a pre-Stooge dream match for me!

Here you go 🤯:

www.wrestlingdata.com/index.php?befehl=konst&letter1=P&wrestler1=5581&letter2=G&wrestler2=1692&letter3=&wrestler3=0&letter4=&wrestler4=0&matchtyp=0&anzeige=matches

33. The Blonde Bombers (Pat Patterson and Ray Stevens)- 107.50 points

A nice surprise to see these guys on the list. I also have seen maybe 1 match but by all accounts they were one of the best working teams of their era. Plus they were the top drawing team in the San Francisco area for several years and filling the Cow Palace, one of the larger venues for wrestling in the country, was no small feat. They also had a near 20 year connection as a team so another plus for them. A natural lack of footage though being from an older generation held them back a bit as more newer fans would have a tough time rating them.

Am I reading this correctly then that they did tangle but only once in history!?

In MACW on February 14th, 1982 at the 'Old' Charlotte Coliseum in Charlotte, North Carolina... Jack & Jerry Brisco defeated Ray Stevens & Pat Patterson!

Jul 22, 2021 23:29:22 GMT 🤯 said:

Jul 22, 2021 19:15:36 GMT Shootist said:

Here you go 🤯:

www.wrestlingdata.com/index.php?befehl=konst&letter1=P&wrestler1=5581&letter2=G&wrestler2=1692&letter3=&wrestler3=0&letter4=&wrestler4=0&matchtyp=0&anzeige=matches

33. The Blonde Bombers (Pat Patterson and Ray Stevens)- 107.50 points

A nice surprise to see these guys on the list. I also have seen maybe 1 match but by all accounts they were one of the best working teams of their era. Plus they were the top drawing team in the San Francisco area for several years and filling the Cow Palace, one of the larger venues for wrestling in the country, was no small feat. They also had a near 20 year connection as a team so another plus for them. A natural lack of footage though being from an older generation held them back a bit as more newer fans would have a tough time rating them.

Am I reading this correctly then that they did tangle but only once in history!?

In MACW on February 14th, 1982 at the 'Old' Charlotte Coliseum in Charlotte, North Carolina... Jack & Jerry Brisco defeated Ray Stevens & Pat Patterson!

I’m pretty sure it was the first ever evening gown match.

Jul 22, 2021 23:29:22 GMT 🤯 said:

Jul 22, 2021 19:15:36 GMT Shootist said:

Here you go 🤯 :

www.wrestlingdata.com/index.php?befehl=konst&letter1=P&wrestler1=5581&letter2=G&wrestler2=1692&letter3=&wrestler3=0&letter4=&wrestler4=0&matchtyp=0&anzeige=matches

33. The Blonde Bombers (Pat Patterson and Ray Stevens)- 107.50 points

A nice surprise to see these guys on the list. I also have seen maybe 1 match but by all accounts they were one of the best working teams of their era. Plus they were the top drawing team in the San Francisco area for several years and filling the Cow Palace, one of the larger venues for wrestling in the country, was no small feat. They also had a near 20 year connection as a team so another plus for them. A natural lack of footage though being from an older generation held them back a bit as more newer fans would have a tough time rating them.

Am I reading this correctly then that they did tangle but only once in history!?

In MACW on February 14th, 1982 at the 'Old' Charlotte Coliseum in Charlotte, North Carolina... Jack & Jerry Brisco defeated Ray Stevens & Pat Patterson!

It looks that way, most of the southern territories (especially Mid-Atlantic) have pretty complete records so I think that would be pretty accurate. I was more interested in Jerry Brisco and Rocky Johnson teaming up to take on Patterson and Buddy Roberts. The Stooges explode and Jerry gets The Rock's dad to even things up!

The Fantastics

From my understanding, the Fantastics were Mid-South's answer to the Rock N Roll Express and they basically formed to give the Midnight Express a new set of opponents to team against. However, the Fantastics proved to be so talented they ended up touring other territories like WCCW, CWF and WCW. They never quite broke out on their own but they were the type of team that would fit anywhere which saw them become regulars over at AJPW during a strong run in the company. 44 is about right - I didn't have them on my list but I probably should have all things considered.

World's Greatest Tag Team

Like MNM they fell victim to the WWE's perception of tag team wrestling. They were a quality tag team that hit the ground running and instantly fit into that SmackDown Six mix. They had a good run but the entire division lost steam in late 2003 and they broke them up not long after. They had one good ladder match upon their return but once again the WWE saw nothing in them or their tag division so they fell by the wayside. Their ROH run started well and fans were initially excited to see them since they fit the culture of the company. However Cornette tried to push them as the stars of the division and fans lost interest. By the time Cornette turned them heel, it was too late and the whole situation involving them dropping the belts to the All Night Express was a disaster. The All Night Express was the 4th favourite tag team among fans, they weren't hated per se, they just weren't as beloved as The Briscoe Brothers, Adam Cole & Kyle O'Reilly or the Young Bucks. Regardless Cornette put the belt on them, Kenny King signed with TNA before dropping the belts and Shelton ended up bouncing to NJPW not long after.

Anyways, WGTT a good tag team that unfortunately didn't last long enough to really sit alongside the great tag teams. I don't think they were the total package like MNM but they should have stayed together and bolstered that tag team division. They were the type of team that you'd love to have on every PPV card because you're guranteed at least one entertaining match a show. You could have Undertaker vs. Mordecai and if that lays an egg that's OK because you have your wrestling team there as well.

The Blond Bombers

When I put together my list, I tried to represent historical tag teams as highly as I could because generally they did the best business and stayed together for years. The Bombers originally were a lot higher but I couldn't really find much on them other than their 1965-67 run together. They had a reunion in the late 70s-early 80s but I thought they were both decidedly past their peaks? From all reports they were a great tag team, but being regional champions and having such a short span together at their peak hurt them.

14. The Fabulous Rougeaus

While, I was a moron and forgot The Quebecers, I did not forgot The Fabulous Rougeaus'. If The Hart's were the pride of the Canadian West, The Rougeaus' were the Eastern Darlings. Great feuds with The Hart Foundation and The Rockers and a real life one with Dynamite Kid.

When were the Rougeaus WWF tag champs?

Jul 23, 2021 15:40:17 GMT 🤯 said:

When were the Rougeaus WWF tag champs?

Aug 10, 1987.  They won them from The Hart Foundation. 

Jul 23, 2021 15:40:17 GMT 🤯 said:

When were the Rougeaus WWF tag champs?

Noob.

Jul 23, 2021 15:43:32 GMT UT said:

Jul 23, 2021 15:40:17 GMT 🤯 said:

When were the Rougeaus WWF tag champs?

Noob.

We can't all be @ness!

Jul 23, 2021 15:41:26 GMT iron maiden said:

Jul 23, 2021 15:40:17 GMT 🤯 said:

When were the Rougeaus WWF tag champs?

Aug 10, 1987.  They won them from The Hart Foundation. 

Hold up (and you too, You Tee)... That reign isn't officially recognized by WWE. Nice try, ya marks!

Jul 23, 2021 15:57:38 GMT 🤯 said:

Jul 23, 2021 15:41:26 GMT iron maiden said:

Aug 10, 1987.  They won them from The Hart Foundation. 

Hold up (and you too, You Tee)... That reign isn't officially recognized by WWE. Nice try, ya marks!

Whose the mark...The one who says 'that reign isn't officially recognized by WWE' or the one who says 'fuck it'.  

Jul 23, 2021 15:57:38 GMT 🤯 said:

Jul 23, 2021 15:41:26 GMT iron maiden said:

Aug 10, 1987.  They won them from The Hart Foundation. 

Hold up (and you too, You Tee)... That reign isn't officially recognized by WWE. Nice try, ya marks!

It’s recognized by PWCountdown Inc. and that’s what matters!

Jacque tried to be a dink to Kevin Owens. That's all I know him by. Mountie didn't get him though.

Jul 23, 2021 18:03:16 GMT @ness said:

Jacque tried to be a dink to Kevin Owens. That's all I know him by. Mountie didn't get him though.

Well that sucks as I love me some KO!

Also that 2 ‘dinks’ in a day. Yay!

A dink a day keeps the doctor away.

Two dinks a day though is borderline too much of a good thing.

I didn't even notice this had started.

I'll catch up on the ones from my list this weekend.

Jul 23, 2021 19:09:23 GMT 🤯 said:

A dink a day keeps the doctor away.

Two dinks a day though is borderline too much of a good thing.

Someone always gets underserviced in a three-way.  

Jul 23, 2021 21:17:46 GMT iron maiden said:

Jul 23, 2021 19:09:23 GMT 🤯 said:

A dink a day keeps the doctor away.

Two dinks a day though is borderline too much of a good thing.

Someone always gets underserviced in a three-way.  

Just when I think I can't love iron maiden any more, she comes and drops a gem like this.

Jul 23, 2021 15:57:38 GMT 🤯 said:

Jul 23, 2021 15:41:26 GMT iron maiden said:

Aug 10, 1987.  They won them from The Hart Foundation. 

Hold up (and you too, You Tee)... That reign isn't officially recognized by WWE. Nice try, ya marks!

Ted DiBiase bought the title and was billed as the WWF World Heavyweight Champion in three house shows, defending the title one time against Bam Bam Bigelow.

Also Owen won the title at a house show against Bret. How do I know you ask? Bret told me when we talk at a house show down the street.  

Da Gr8t I Is tell Bret he stole the sharpshooter from Owen!

Jul 23, 2021 23:34:09 GMT @ness said:

Da Gr8t I Is tell Bret he stole the sharpshooter from Owen!

Ness Konnan taught Bret that lol

Jul 23, 2021 16:37:30 GMT UT said:

Jul 23, 2021 15:57:38 GMT 🤯 said:

Hold up (and you too, You Tee)... That reign isn't officially recognized by WWE. Nice try, ya marks!

It’s recognized by PWCountdown Inc. and that’s what matters!

I still go by the old faithful PWI Almanac which doesn't recognize the reign, don't let physical media die!

I didn't give the Rougeaus a look, they were a tier II team during the WWF's golden era of tag team wrestling. I think Baker stuffed the ballot box.

Jul 24, 2021 0:24:06 GMT Shootist said:

Jul 23, 2021 16:37:30 GMT UT said:

It’s recognized by PWCountdown Inc. and that’s what matters!

I still go by the old faithful PWI Almanac which doesn't recognize the reign, don't let physical media die!

I didn't give the Rougeaus a look, they were a tier II team during the WWF's golden era of tag team wrestling. I think Baker stuffed the ballot box.

Tier 2 team during a Golden Era is better than Tier 1 during a shit era.

Jul 24, 2021 0:24:06 GMT Shootist said:

Jul 23, 2021 16:37:30 GMT UT said:

I still go by the old faithful PWI Almanac which doesn't recognize the reign, don't let physical media die!

I didn't give the Rougeaus a look, they were a tier II team during the WWF's golden era of tag team wrestling. I think Baker stuffed the ballot box.

Agree on the trusty PWI Almanac and not letting physical media die.
The bolded is the crazy part. I did have the Rougeaux on my list, but only at #47. Meaning PW rated the Fabulous Rougeau Brothers higher than I did! How does this happen?!? Has 8 years of constantly pimping the Rougeaux made an impact on the good people of PW? Was I so concerned with not wanting to play favorites that it actually caused me to underrate my 3rd favorite tag team of all time? A little bit of both?

EDITed in halfway through post: Also, UT just made a hell of a point about Tier 2 in the Golden Age > Tier 1 in a lousy age. 

47. Fabulous Rougeau Brothers- My biggest homer pick of the Countdown. At least WGTT & MNM officially won the tag titles and could be considered the best teams in the business during their respective runs. As much as I love the Rougeaux, neither applies to them. The phantom title change was never acknowledged on WWF tv or in the PWI Almanac. Therefore it doesn’t count. And, again, much as I love the Rougeaux, they had the unfortunate timing to be contemporaries of peak Midnight Express, and ain't nobody touching Sweet Stan & Beautiful Bobby.

I'll largely skip over the Rougeaux WWF face run for obvious reasons, though they did deliver some decent matches. But it's their WWF heel run where they really made their bones. They were born to be wrestling bad guys, Jacques in particular. They were trolls before trolling was even a thing. The All American Boys gimmick was a hoot. All American Boys is also the GOAT wrestling theme. They were hilarious on promos, good squashers with a slew of neat signature spots, had good competitive matches with credible teams, and some cool Midnight Expresses. They had a good feud with the Rockers highlighted by cool matches which combined the best kind of sports entertainment b.s. with good, fast paced, athletic tag team wrestling. And an even better feud with the Hart Foundation from a sports entertainment standpoint due to a cool storyline revolving around money/contracts and involving manager Jimmy Hart, who I might add was a superb fit for the Rougeaux. I even loved their swank blue and yellow outfits.

Another thing that helped me justify putting the Rougeaux on my list was their hot Montreal run highlighted by a feud with Ron & Jimmy Garvin which is best known for what has come to be known as the "St. Jean Baptiste Day Massacre." Check it out.

I know very little about the Montreal territory beyond the Rougeaux/Garvins feud and was always vaguely curious to find out just how long Jacques & Raymond teamed. UT has them starting in 1985. Meaning their run as a team was much shorter than I thought. But they really were heroes to the people of Montreal during that Garvins feud. The St. Jean Bapiste Day Massacre lead to the largest house in Montreal wrestling history up to that point.

Other Recommendations: Rougeaux & Martel vs. Rockers & Tito from Summerslam 89 is my favorite match involving the Rougeaux and one of my favorite 80s WWF matches, period. Also recommended is their match against some masked team whose name escapes me in Puerto Rico where fans throw trash in the ring for like 10 minutes straight. It's an incredible visual. Think WCW fans throwing trash at the NWO x 500. No exaggeration. Further proof the Fabulous Rougeau Brothers were god tier heels.

Jul 24, 2021 1:12:31 GMT UT said:

Jul 24, 2021 0:24:06 GMT Shootist said:

I still go by the old faithful PWI Almanac which doesn't recognize the reign, don't let physical media die!

I didn't give the Rougeaus a look, they were a tier II team during the WWF's golden era of tag team wrestling. I think Baker stuffed the ballot box.

Tier 2 team during a Golden Era is better than Tier 1 during a shit era.

Perhaps, but I had to at least give some modern teams consideration. Plus Baker nailed it in the first part of his Rougeau rant, they never won the tag titles. Despite being in a lesser era teams like WGTT and even the New Day deserve to get looked at before the Rougeaus, Killer Bees, etc.

The Briscoes look like the belong on a Most Wanted list for meth trafficking as opposed to a greatest tag teams list.

I loved the Briscoes.

I got into ROH in 08, but went back and watched 07 as well when I first got into the company and 2007 was their year for sure.

I liked them for all the wrong reasons. The vulgarness (bush league), the resemblence Jay has to my dead uncle, weird ass DEM BOYS promos, etc. I was actually a really big fan of Jay as a singles. I enjoyed the random singles goes before back with Mark and then when he went on his true main event singles run, yeah I was a huge fan. Him being stripped of the title via gay bashing led to a fun feud with Adam Cole. I dunno the whole feud just reminded me of writing fan fic.

Are they too unstable from a PC standpoint to last in a major company or does no one even offer? Maybe they're like Mschif where they prefer their shoot job but don't mind being weekend warriors for ROH.

Also I did sorta hate when Mark started doing a standard doomsday instead of the springboard. Dude probably has had some injuries so he began taking it easier I guess.

And it's really hilarious that Sinclair loved the Briscoes for all the wrong reasons.

32. The Briscoe Brothers (Jay and Mark)- 107.75 points

For a more modern team the Briscoes check almost all the right boxes. 20 years as a team is nearly unheard of in any era, they naturally look like a team and are solid in ring. I'm also a huge fan of their promos and they were one of the first names brought up when I started to dabble in ROH from around 07-09 so I gave them a bump on drawing power as well. They are like a lower budget Hardy Boys with their stints as well in the singles main event scene so they had a multifaceted impact on ROH. One of the more important teams of the last 20 years.