I didn't have Los Guerreros on my list , I know its probably wrong in the grand scheme of things but by this time in Eddie's career it just felt like he was punching down by teaming with Chavo. Perhaps it was just because I was that big of an Eddie fan at the time and have never cared much for Chavo but it seemed like it was more of a favor to the family than anything.

Also I never really cared for the era of the Smackdown six and looking back at that specific era - I'm not sure how much they did for the tag division and their greatest rivals and matches were against a ton of mish moshed teams (aside from the WGTT).

I also expected there to be more classic matches and PPV matches but in their entire run they only competed at five PPV's and most of their impact came on Smackdown. I know its also part of the era they were in but I want my greatest tag teams to dominate the PPV scene.

I considered Los Guerreros for my list as a representative for the entire SD!6 group, but ultimately couldn't justify it.

They weren't together long enough, and their reign wasn't impactful enough, even if they were part of some great matches. They were hurt coincidentally by Chavo getting hurt and then Tajiri slotting in to make just as good of a partner for Eddie (if not better). Then they split not long after Chavo returned to action.

No idea what they did together in WCW, but Eddie's teams with Art Barr and even Rey Mysterio rank ahead of Los Guerreros probably for me.

That's the complaint people have with the booking, supposedly Heyman rushed everything to tv. As a fan I'm okay with blow your load booking.

Jul 15, 2021 18:14:34 GMT 🤯 said:

I considered Los Guerreros for my list as a representative for the entire SD!6 group, but ultimately couldn't justify it.

They weren't together long enough, and their reign wasn't impactful enough, even if they were part of some great matches. They were hurt coincidentally by Chavo getting hurt and then Tajiri slotting in to make just as good of a partner for Eddie (if not better). Then they split not long after Chavo returned to action.

No idea what they did together in WCW, but Eddie's teams with Art Barr and even Rey Mysterio rank ahead of Los Guerreros probably for me.

They had different runs apparently in 1998 and 2005 as well but I didn't list them. I'm sure they teamed up quite a few times in between as well. 

Los Guerreros was too much of a scattershot team for me. I did like their first run together in WCW back in 1998 with Uncle Eddie tormenting Chavo but like most of their stuff was geared towards comedy.

Los Gringos Locos was under consideration but my slight anti-Lucha bias creeped into my list.

I didn’t do a list. I didn’t know time was up. FACK.

Jul 15, 2021 19:09:15 GMT KING KID said:

I didn’t do a list. I didn’t know time was up. FACK.

This was your suggestion! 

The double dip off the bat!

I had trouble with The Eliminators , I'm not ECW expect by any means but when I have went back and watched - they usually were standouts. For that reason they were in contention until the very end of my list but I ultimately couldn't rank them.

It's probably my bias in that they never really had a run on the main stage , unfair to them for sure but I would have LOVED to see them come to the WWF when their tag team scene was on fire. The Eliminators in the mix with the Dudleys (again) , Hardy's , E&C , APA etc and even possibly being a part of some of those TLC variations would have been a ton of fun and definitely put them on my list. Instead they were probably close to the #55 range.

It would have been cool as shit though had The Dudley's cut a promo about dominating the WWF tag scene after winning the titles and there is no one left , and then Saturn and Kronus comes out and they Dudleys lose their mind. Instant credibility and upgrade over any number of teams that were thrown around at the time. Instead Saturn was carrying around a fucking mop.

I didn't rank the Eliminators, but PW's #50 vs. #49 would definitely rate as a dream match for me.

Jul 15, 2021 19:38:37 GMT UT said:

The double dip off the bat!

I had trouble with The Eliminators , I'm not ECW expect by any means but when I have went back and watched - they usually were standouts. For that reason they were in contention until the very end of my list but I ultimately couldn't rank them.

It's probably my bias in that they never really had a run on the main stage , unfair to them for sure but I would have LOVED to see them come to the WWF when their tag team scene was on fire. The Eliminators in the mix with the Dudleys (again) , Hardy's , E&C , APA etc and even possibly being a part of some of those TLC variations would have been a ton of fun and definitely put them on my list. Instead they were probably close to the #55 range.

It would have been cool as shit though had The Dudley's cut a promo about dominating the WWF tag scene after winning the titles and there is no one left , and then Saturn and Kronus comes out and they Dudleys lose their mind. Instant credibility and upgrade over any number of teams that were thrown around at the time. Instead Saturn was carrying around a fucking mop.

I'll add Eliminators vs. Too Cool, Hollys, T&A, Kaientai, and New Age Outlaws. Think some of those could be underrated dream matches too.

Jul 15, 2021 21:22:48 GMT 🤯 said:

Jul 15, 2021 19:38:37 GMT UT said:

The double dip off the bat!

I had trouble with The Eliminators , I'm not ECW expect by any means but when I have went back and watched - they usually were standouts. For that reason they were in contention until the very end of my list but I ultimately couldn't rank them.

It's probably my bias in that they never really had a run on the main stage , unfair to them for sure but I would have LOVED to see them come to the WWF when their tag team scene was on fire. The Eliminators in the mix with the Dudleys (again) , Hardy's , E&C , APA etc and even possibly being a part of some of those TLC variations would have been a ton of fun and definitely put them on my list. Instead they were probably close to the #55 range.

It would have been cool as shit though had The Dudley's cut a promo about dominating the WWF tag scene after winning the titles and there is no one left , and then Saturn and Kronus comes out and they Dudleys lose their mind. Instant credibility and upgrade over any number of teams that were thrown around at the time. Instead Saturn was carrying around a fucking mop.

I'll add Eliminators vs. Too Cool, Hollys, T&A, Kaientai, and New Age Outlaws. Think some of those could be underrated dream matches too.

Maybe but I don’t think they are in the same league as the aforementioned. The matches would definitely be solid.

Jul 15, 2021 21:34:45 GMT UT said:

Jul 15, 2021 21:22:48 GMT 🤯 said:

I'll add Eliminators vs. Too Cool, Hollys, T&A, Kaientai, and New Age Outlaws. Think some of those could be underrated dream matches too.

Maybe but I don’t think they are in the same league as the aforementioned. The matches would definitely be solid.

Who are you to doubt the El Dandies of the WWF's 1998-2000 tag team division!?

The Eliminators ended up at number 63 on my big list. They were strong in kayfabe success and as all around workers but like UT, said their lack of a big stage presence really hurt them when it came to being a draw and their overall legacy. Still though they are in my top 10 favorite teams to watch, just so crisp with some of the best double teams of all time. In the WWF I would have liked to have seen them in more straight laced matches as they were one of the more sound teams of the 90's. Seeing them in TLC's would be great but a match with Kaientai where they just go for it would have been the shit.

Jul 15, 2021 23:51:24 GMT Shootist said:

The Eliminators ended up at number 63 on my big list. They were strong in kayfabe success and as all around workers but like UT, said their lack of a big stage presence really hurt them when it came to being a draw and their overall legacy. Still though they are in my top 10 favorite teams to watch, just so crisp with some of the best double teams of all time. In the WWF I would have liked to have seen them in more straight laced matches as they were one of the more sound teams of the 90's. Seeing them in TLC's would be great but a match with Kaientai where they just go for it would have been the shit.

Shootist gets it.

What does Shootist know?

I’m not saying they would be bad matches or just insinuating they could only work the hardcore style but they could bring a totally different attitude and personas to that group.

And in the meantime have kickass matches with the El Dandies (El Dandy’s?) of the generation as well.

Glad this is underway. Not glad KING KID failed to get a list in. What about you iron maiden ?
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43. Guerreros- I actually agree with everybody who has posted so far in that Los Guerreros objectively fall just short. But I wanted to include them anyway. So I used a loophole in the rules and borrowed an old trick PB once used in a countdown I ran to justify it to myself. Los Guerreros, meaning Eddie & Chavo, fall just short of a top 50. BUT by going with just the generic Guerreros I can include Hector & Chavo Classic who were a good and underrated 80s territory team. That provides enough of a boost to make them listworthy.

But let's face it. The meat of my cheat is Los Guerreros. They really did cram a lot of goodness into their relatively short run. They had entertaining vignettes and good matches as members of the Smackdown Six. That Smackdown Six run in late 02-early 03 is my favorite period of both guys careers. They were on a roll both as wrestlers and entertainers. You can also draw a direct line from Los Guerreros getting really over to Eddie becoming a breakout main event star a little over a year later.
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35. Eliminators- For over a year Paul Heyman pushed them as the Best Tag Team In The World and the ECW fanbase bought into it hook, line, and sinker. They're an all time great offensive teams. I had never seen guys that big fly around so gracefully. They were like a pair of bigger of 2 Cold Scorpio's. Or a Young Bucks with 50 additional pounds who actually looked like they could kick your ass. And their feet were more educated than Sweet Stan's. Total Elimination was the coolest move in all of wrestling circa 1997 and it's still one of my all time favorite finishers/tag team moves. 

It can be hard to shake first impressions and few wrestlers can match the Eliminators when it comes to immediate impact. Eliminators vs. Dudleys. Barely Legal. First ECW match I ever saw. Eliminators hit a homerun with perhaps the greatest display of offense I had ever seen up to that point. My jaw dropped early and remained their for the duration of this 6 minute glorified squash. After one match I was ready to declare the Eliminators the 2nd greatest tag team of all time!

Unfortunately they peaked on Day One and I liked them a little less every time I saw them. For example, even back in the day when I was all about big movez and big bumps I thought the famous Eliminators vs. RVD & Sabu match was a trainwreck. 

Still, they were a strongly pushed act for two years in ECW when ECW was a cutting edge promotion on the verge of changing the wrestling business. 

*I like all those theoretical 'Eliminators in WWF' matches and angles you guys proposed. Fantasy booking is always fun. But it never would have happened. A big reason Saturn went to WCW was to get away from Kronus. By all accounts Kronus had the mentality of a child and Saturn had grown tired of babysitting him. Kronus was an athletic marvel, but Saturn had to do the mental work for two when it came to calling matches, setting up spots, simply getting to shows, etc.

I got mine in but Los Guerreros were not on it nor The Eliminators.

I had Los Guerreros on my list. I think I probably remember them more fondly than the rest of you, and perhaps I wasn't as objective with my list as I could have been. Still, I've included some teams I despise because I can't deny their impact.

I think I put Los Guerreros higher on my list than all of you, I loved watching them and at the that time I wasn't on forums or anything like that so I just got complete enjoyment out of watching them. I love a good tag match and the chemistry with Eddie and Chavo was undeniable. Perhaps because they're family, but that doesn't always ring true. Eddie is one of my favourites and Chavo could more than hold his own in the ring. I found them super entertaining which is why I placed them higher than you all probably think I should have. Oh well.

I didn't have Brody and Hansen , I just haven't seen enough of them to quantify where they would place on my list. I've seen the two matches I listed and they were a great matches and I could see the potential - I just didn't know where exactly to look for more as that all I could find listed.

Look forward to reading more astute reasoning to them being on the list. I don't doubt they qualify because I love them both individually.

Los Guerreros were one of the first tag teams I considered but like 🤯 I was surprised at how short their run was. They only made it 8 months in when Chavo suffered his injury and while they did team again when he came back Eddie had just out-grown the act. Of the SmackDown Six, they worked the best together and their tactics were the best of any of the group.

There was a period in time where nobody worked harder than The Eliminators. Their matches with RVD and Sabu were unbelievable and both teams made it a mission to out-do one another. To this day the work-rate is amazing and they had this intiminidating aura about them. They were a close cut, Total Elimination and the legacy of that move brought them into the conversation but they just didn't have the exposure when they teamed to really challenge the top teams. I think an Eliminators 2000 revival sounds good on paper but in practice Kronus was already out of shape and having a lot of issues behind the scenes.

Brody and Hansen is the first exclusion from my list that should have made it. I was really only familiar with their work in Japan where tag team wrestling wasn't really valued until late 80s early 90s. I also had a difficult time picking Hansen's best partner as well since he went through so many during his career. However I wasn't aware of their work together in Midsouth and how they basically broke in together and managed to parley that early success into stints in the WWWF, CWF and Crockett. I think their current ranking sounds about right, probably one of the best hoss tag team of all-time.

18. Chōjū Konbi (Stan Hansen and Bruiser Brody)- 126.75 points

Brody and Hansen were the dominant Gaijin tag team of the first half of the 1980's and really got over with the Japanese audience who became fascinated by big, monstrous Americans. They set the table for the Road Warriors who would take over for them in the second half of the 80's. They were both strong workers with believable offense and Hansen especially was a great seller and could look vulnerable when needed. They held All Japan's top tag team title for over a year and only relinquished them when Brody went to New Japan. All Japan promoters knew what they had and made money hand over fist with them so they rated strong in the drawing power category as well. Teaming in both the territories and overseas covering a decade also gave them a strong ranking in longevity. Having set the tone in Japan for monster Gaijins they have a strong legacy that is seen to this day in guys like Doc Gallows and Albert being somewhat successful in Japan.

I just knew Brody & Hansen were a Shootist  vote and was waiting for him to educate us rubes on them. He came through as expected. TIL they had a tag team name. Like Big Pete I also didn't know they teamed in the States. Perhaps I should have done more research? I'm intrigued by Shoot's scoring system. You'll have to explain it at the end of this countdown.

Brody & Hansen- I did consider them but couldn't pull the trigger. There were just too many acts I wanted to get on my list. A lot (but not all!) of the 'before my time' teams ended up getting cut. I have long known they were a big draw in Japan as a pair of wild and woolly brawling gaijin hosses. But I've only seen something like 3 of their matches.

Hopefully a little controversy and lightning rod for some discussion on this list.

I didn't have them on my list for a few reasons , mainly being that they never truly felt like a tag team as opposed to two entities who just teamed together when they needed to destroy some people. Also excluding the awesome match against The Shield (which also had Daniel Bryan) - I can't think of many more memorable matches for me. And that was just an awesome blend of Team Hell No and BOD.


On the other hand to play devils advocate for them showing up. They are two of the bigger and most tenured stars in history , they have a natural link to eachother so it's not like a random team and honestly the Taker/Kane storyline at the beginning was one of the personal favorites of all time - even leading to their eventual teaming. It was wonky at times but it was usually pretty cool to see them team up from time to time.

Still though - at the end of the day I think they are about 20 spots too high and certainly didn't elevate the division during their time together.

Also two more back to back teams that would have a highly anticipated dream match. Weird.

:nono:
Only way Brothers of Destruction at #47 becomes remotely acceptable is if the Fabulous Kangaroos finish above them. #RespectTheRoos

I did not vote for the BoD and I'm not even sure they'd make my Top 100. Y'all got worked by the WWE narrative. 

Thing is the Brothers of Destruction COULD have been great. I mean, it's Undertaker & Kane. That's a nearly unbeatable team in kayfabe. And I'm sure they would have made my list with just one dominant tag title reign (preferably in 98-99) where they wreck everybody for 6 months or more. But they didn't!

They did most of their teaming in 2001 when Taker was at his non-old man career worst and I had lost all interest in Kane. More importantly, this "all time great tag team" held the titles for a whopping....41 days over the course of 2 reigns. For comparison sake, that's one day less than the illustrious duo of....Big Bossman & Ken Shamrock, and two days less than the legendary team of....Spike Dudley & Tazz. 

Somebody in the other thread brought up the fact they main evented a PPV against Austin & HHH (another overrated team btw) as a point in their favor. But a wiser poster rebutted that by reminding everybody the most famous BoD match was a DUD against Kronik that is only famous because it sucked so hard. Their other most famous match? A battle of old men with DX (yet another overrated team!) in Saudi Arabia. 

Jul 18, 2021 1:03:33 GMT Baker said:

:nono:
Only way Brothers of Destruction at #47 becomes remotely acceptable is if the Fabulous Kangaroos finish above them. #RespectTheRoos

I did not vote for the BoD and I'm not even sure they'd make my Top 100. Y'all got worked by the WWE narrative. 

Thing is the Brothers of Destruction COULD have been great. I mean, it's Undertaker & Kane. That's a nearly unbeatable team in kayfabe. And I'm sure they would have made my list with just one dominant tag title reign (preferably in 98-99) where they wreck everybody for 6 months or more. But they didn't!

They did most of their teaming in 2001 when Taker was at his non-old man career worst and I had lost all interest in Kane. More importantly, this "all time great tag team" held the titles for a whopping....41 days over the course of 2 reigns. For comparison sake, that's one day less than the illustrious duo of....Big Bossman & Ken Shamrock, and two days less than the legendary team of....Spike Dudley & Tazz. 

Somebody in the other thread brought up the fact they main evented a PPV against Austin & HHH (another overrated team btw) as a point in their favor. But a wiser poster rebutted that by reminding everybody the most famous BoD match was a DUD against Kronik that is only famous because it sucked so hard. Their other most famous match? A battle of old men with DX (yet another overrated team!) in Saudi Arabia. 

While I don’t totally disagree with you , and this is mainly The Shield mark in me - should check that match from Raw. It won’t change your mind but it won’t waste your time either.

Always hated the name of the team. BOD just sounds so cringe and I try not to say it out loud for fear of embarrassment.

LOL: - 2x WON Worst Worked Match

Jul 18, 2021 1:06:35 GMT @ness said:

Always hated the name of the team. BOD just sounds so cringe and I try not to say it out loud for fear of embarrassment.

LOL: - 2x WON Worst Worked Match

Also agree. Seems like something a 9 year old UT would have came up with back in the day.

Meh. I have no problem with Brothers of Destruction as a tag team name. There's been far worse.