The banning of moves of the top rope in the Bill Watts era was the dumbest troupes ever. Very outdated. What fan thought this was good TV? Like man, this & DQ for throwing people over the top rope makes me watch WCW instead of the WWF.












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Treating wrestling as legit and making it mean more (by doing it less) is probably why. Something like that is a nice gimmick honestly. Remember there's only so many match results. Adding extra outcomes should make it more interesting. The real attitude era is those GEEKS the Bucks doing it behind the refs back. HIGH FLYING IS CHEATING. But they get cheered and a new antihero is born. Austin can't even touch Matt "action" Jackson.

I was in the mood for some wrestling, so I decided to put on an episode of WCW Nitro (April 10th, 2000), the episode where Russo and Bischoff show up, vacate all the titles and basically kicks off the Millionaire's Club/New Blood angle for the next couple of months. It's not a bad show I suppose, Hogan and Flair get quite a bit of screen time (no surprise there), and the episode also features a mini-tournament between Lex Luger, DDP, Sting and Sid Vicious as well (the winner going to Spring Stampede 2000 to face Jeff Jarrett for the vacant WCW heavyweight title). Also, a lot of shit on this episode with Ric Flair and Shane Douglas, so there's that as well.

DDP vs. Luger
Sting vs. Vicious
Jarrett vs. Hennig
Flair vs. Douglas
DDP vs. Sting

All matches worthy of the main event, here I am getting spoiled, with those matches being on this one episode of Nitro. Honestly, this is like a live-action episode of my MEW (Main Event Wrestling) universe mode in WWE 2K19, I fucking love it.

Jul 13, 2022 2:55:39 GMT Lony said:

I was in the mood for some wrestling, so I decided to put on an episode of WCW Nitro (April 10th, 2000), the episode where Russo and Bischoff show up, vacate all the titles and basically kicks off the Millionaire's Club/New Blood angle for the next couple of months. It's not a bad show I suppose, Hogan and Flair get quite a bit of screen time (no surprise there), and the episode also features a mini-tournament between Lex Luger, DDP, Sting and Sid Vicious as well (the winner going to Spring Stampede 2000 to face Jeff Jarrett for the vacant WCW heavyweight title). Also, a lot of shit on this episode with Ric Flair and Shane Douglas, so there's that as well.

DDP vs. Luger
Sting vs. Vicious
Jarrett vs. Hennig
Flair vs. Douglas
DDP vs. Sting

All matches worthy of the main event, here I am getting spoiled, with those matches being on this one episode of Nitro. Honestly, this is like a live-action episode of my MEW (Main Event Wrestling) universe mode in WWE 2K19, I fucking love it.

I was so HYPED about the reset at the time, optimistic little shit.

I feel like they could have done something with the New Blood/Millionaire's Club concept if they had have focused on the right talent. WCW promised a reboot but straight away started to focus on Eric Bischoff, Diamond Dallas Page, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair and Vince Russo who all helped WCW get into that mess.

Still, I remember being just as hyped for those shows as well Kilgore. Outside of the Mayhem tournament I couldn't remember any excitement around the product so the build up to Spring Stampede and the show itself was one of the better periods for WCW. Then it amounted to Slamboree 2000 and that was easily one of the worst periods of WCW.

No surprises that WCW improved after Bash at the Beach 2000 when Hogan took his title and went home. We finally got that fresh direction we were promised with Booker/Steiner on top. Sadly it was too little too late.

Seeing the thread on it being 20 years since Bischoff came to WWE, made me think about WWE rehashing the whole bit of Bischoff getting his head shaved and the "OMG, he has gray hair" thing. When I think about it though, Bischoff looks better with gray hair than the black hair, and it adds a little more to his heel side, IMO.

The billionaires club should have been the heels in the feud with the new blood.

Were there any actual billionaires?

Wouldn't be the first time the business lied to us!

The biggest problem with New Blood vs. Millionaire's Club is that fans were never going to root for New Blood, so it was doomed to fail as an angle because the feud would always end with the already over guys going over, defeating the entire purpose. This has become more obvious over time, as WrestleMania is always so stacked with legacy acts, wrestling fans just love old guys. The fans chose Hogan over the fucking Rock, Billy Kidman never stood a chance. 

Jul 29, 2022 2:51:07 GMT Kilgore said:

The biggest problem with New Blood vs. Millionaire's Club is that fans were never going to root for New Blood, so it was doomed to fail as an angle because the feud would always end with the already over guys going over, defeating the entire purpose. This has become more obvious over time, as WrestleMania is always so stacked with legacy acts, wrestling fans just love old guys. The fans chose Hogan over the fucking Rock, Billy Kidman never stood a chance. 

And yet somehow Kidman bedded and wedded prime Torrie Wilson!?

Jul 29, 2022 3:25:15 GMT 🤯 said:

Jul 29, 2022 2:51:07 GMT Kilgore said:

The biggest problem with New Blood vs. Millionaire's Club is that fans were never going to root for New Blood, so it was doomed to fail as an angle because the feud would always end with the already over guys going over, defeating the entire purpose. This has become more obvious over time, as WrestleMania is always so stacked with legacy acts, wrestling fans just love old guys. The fans chose Hogan over the fucking Rock, Billy Kidman never stood a chance. 

And yet somehow Kidman bedded and wedded prime Torrie Wilson!?

Kidman is an all time inspiration in dating above expectancy, one of the greatest we've ever seen. This can never be taken away from him. Hogan can have his dumb fake win at Slamboree 2000, brother. Kidman won the night.

Slamboree 2000's PPV poster is the GOAT.

Jul 29, 2022 3:58:58 GMT @ness said:

Slamboree 2000's PPV poster is the GOAT.

Guaranteed Buff Bagwell has it framed and prominently displayed. Zero doubt in my mind. 

Went wrestling free for over a month until late last week when I made the mistake of clicking on a Markyd123 (Ring of the Hawk) video which showed up in my Youtube feed. That sent me down a 2003 TNA rabbit hole. The best things about 2003 TNA were AMW, Kid Kash, and ERIK WATTS (Raven & Double J were honestly grandfathered in). So I did my yearly "TNA Erik Watts was actually good" research and found these two neat videos...




Cool thing is both guys started off as Watts haters before one of them saw the light. (Other guy is obviously a boring jerk who likes flipz and hates fun. Watts his problem?) BUT here's the kicker- even when they were both drinking the Haterade one of them correctly stated "2003 Erik Watts would be a 2021 WWE main eventer based purely on the way he carries himself." So even while hating they still understood TNA Erik Watts got It. I am disappointed they didn't mention the moment I became an Erik Watts fan- the should be legendary "Jeff Jarrett/mall" promo. Tremendous.

Come for the Watts content. Stick around for the Kid Kash chatter. 2003 TNA was peak Kid Kash. He was a unrepentant jerk on par with 93-94 IRS or 1999 Bossman. Just a world class heel. 

Fwiw another poster on another forum accurately stated "Erik Watts was the most over babyface in TNA." 

Who needs WWF Attitude when you can have more TNA Wattitude?



Glad to see my memory of Erik Watts being awesome in TNA confirmed. The best bit from this one...

Guy #1: Then Erik Watts comes out to the biggest reaction maybe in the history of TNA.
Guy #2: Time to move over Road Warrior pop cause, brother, we got the Erik Watts pop.
Guy #1: It is funny every time Erik Watts appears on screen in a backstage pretape you hear the crowd start chanting "Watts."
Guy #2: Yeah! Cause he rules!

Those guys know what's up. Even the remaining Watts hating holdout has started coming around. They also discuss Kid Kash and touch on Jimmy Rave's great ROH run in this video. It's like these guys geared their whole conversation for an audience of one- me. That would also explain why view counts for these videos range from 40 to 131. Press play and help these Wattheads out. 

I always thought the "Bill Watts was a huge nepotist" thing was a little blown out of proportion. From listening to the Jim Cornette podcast, it sounds to me Watts nepotism wasn't near the level of Nick Gulas. And Verne Gagne seemed like a bigger nepotist.

I liked Erik Watts. He was a great face! I loved his We Will Rock You ripoff theme too.

Going down the weekly TNA PPV rabbit hole got me to thinking about the most memorable matches and moments I saw during my 14 month run as a buyer of approximately 2/3 of their weekly PPV offerings.

Disclaimer: Not necessarily saying this was THE best/worst stuff (though much of it likely is), just the most memorable. Truth is an oddball match like Saturn/Bart Gunn that comes out of nowhere to be good, or AJ getting a good match out of an opponent where you'd expect a styles clash (pun intended), stuck with me more than the endless parade of good AMW bouts with the New Church, Simon & Swinger, XXX & The Naturals (as if I can be expected to remember which match was which nearly 20 years later) or your weekly entertaining X Division actionfest featuring interchangeable cruiserweights. 

Most Memorable Good Matches

AJ Styles vs. Larry Zbyszko- 1/22/03 and/or 1/29/03- Cool young vs. old stuff that likely stuck with me because it was on the first TNA show(s) I ever watched. And also because Larry Legend.
AJ Styles vs. Sandman- 2/26/03- Recall this delightfully oddball pairing resulting in a surprisingly good bout.
Perry Saturn vs. Bart Gunn- 4/9/03- Surprisingly hard hitting affair with a unique injury based finish.
Jerry Lynn & Amazing Red vs. Daniels & Skipper- 4/16/03- Flawless Doomsday Frankensteiner! Best TNA match up to this point. ****+ to 2003 me.
Trinity vs. Kid Kash- 4/23/03 or 5/28/03- May have sucked? Everyone else seems to think so, but 03 me thought it was likely the GOAT intergender bout
AMW vs. Christopher Daniels & Elix Skipper- 6/25/03- Cage Match- Best match of the Weekly PPV era and it's not even close. 
Chris Sabin vs. X (Quebecer Pierre)- 11/26/03- Because Pierre and THAT bump. If you know you know. 
Low Ki vs. Kid Kash vs. Christopher Daniels- 12/3/03- For whatever reason this random X Division match stuck with me more than all the others
AJ Styles vs. Abyss- March 2004- Series of Gimmick Matches- They had great chemistry. Hadn't realized we were still ordering the weekly PPVs this late.
Jeff Jarrett vs. Chris Harris- 2/18/04 or 3/17/04- Jarrett's take on the old Flair vs. Young Up And Coming Face match had us on the edge of our seats. 

*Interesting to see that 5 month gap between memorable good matches. Maybe we just didn't order a lot of shows during that period? Fwiw there was also an Ultimate X Match or two and a Global X Division Tournament which received critical acclaim + TNA's take on War Games. But if I can't even recall the participants without cheating...

Most Memorable Comedy Match and Moments

Dusty Rhodes vs. Brian Lawler- 4/9/03- Dusty popped my friend Bryan and I so hard when he pulled out a one foot ladder to drop a "flying" elbow.
Erik Watts promos- peaked in Spring 2003 with the "mall" promo (5/7/03?) being a particular gem
New Jack & Shark Boy segments with Hulk Hands (6/18/03) being a particular standout
*The other day I called AMW, Kash, and Watts the best acts in the company and I stand by that. But New Jack & Shark Boy were totally their 4th best act. 

Worst (High Profile) Matches

Shane Douglas vs. Raven- 9/17/03- Hair vs. Hair- Slow and awful and Douglas puked and then they butchered Raven’s head during the botched hair cut
Raven vs. Vampiro- 10/29/03- Gimmicks R Us- Slow and awful and featured Vampiro. But at least nobody puked this time. 
*Recall the Raven vs. Gathering feud sucking too. Raven was honestly pretty bad in 2003 (and beyond). But I still liked him anyway because Yay! Raven!

Most Disappointing

Jeff Jarrett vs. Raven- 4/30/03- Imagine HHH beating Batista at WM 21 and yeah it was kind of like that. Even Sting/Hogan at Starrcade 97 was more satisfying since at least Sting technically won. I've seen people say this killed The Asylum. I don't think that's true. But it did kill TNA's momentum. It would take years for them to generate this much buzz again and top the company buyrate record they set here. 

Jeff Jarrett attacks Hulk Hogan in Japan- October 2003- Great moment that TNA milked for ages, but disappointing in the long run since it didn't lead to anything beyond JJ briefly calling himself "Mr. October" before predictably dropping the new moniker once November rolled around.

Watched Greg Gagne rebook 1984/85 Pro Wrestling USA. Despite selecting a mostly stellar roster it was really underwhelming booking wise. Of course being the booker Greg falls into the trap of picking himself and Jim Brunzell over some other prominent teams and makes some odd AWA choices. He then defers much of the decision making to Sean Oliver which defeats the purpose. They also didn't even do full cards just the top 3 matches mostly for a 6 month period. Still though it was a nice little history lesson and Greg did have some good germs of ideas. Recommended for those into the inner workings of the 80's territories and the anti-Vince movement of the era.

Jul 29, 2022 2:51:07 GMT Kilgore said:

wrestling fans just love old guys. 

Truth. For a long time I viewed this as a 2000s phenomenon since WWE fans almost always sided with the veteran over the young guy in face vs. face matches. But nah. It's almost always been that way. Memphis fans idolized old man Jackie Fargo in the 80s and nostalgia shows were the only thing still drawing big there in the 90s. 80s World Class fans loved them some Fritz and 80s Mid South fans adored Bill Watts. 80s AWA fans continued worshiping Verne, Da Crusher, Da Baron, Mad Dog Vachon, etc.  Hulkamania Era WWF fans still went wild for Bruno. 90s WCW was famously an "old guy" territory on top. Even the hardcore fans of "hip" promotions like ECW, 2000s ROH, and modern AEW revered the veterans. 90s WWF is really the only exception I can think of from the modern era and I'm sure even that could be argued. 
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AJ Styles vs. Amazing Red 10/30/02 is another recommended early TNA match. Assumed my memory was off and it took place in ROH when I couldn't find the date last night. Wrong! TIL it's because this match took place almost 3 months before I started ordering TNA weekly pay per views. Weird! Must have aired on one of those occasional "Best of TNA" compilation shows they'd put out every few months for the low, low price ordering price of one penny.

Raven & Low Ki vs. Steve Corino & Sandman- 2/19/03 deserves a mention as well. No idea whether or not it was actually good, but those oddball pairings + throwing Low Ki in with a bunch of ECW guys made it memorable in that goofy "only in 2003 TNA" sort of way. 
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Saw a young boy of about 8 years old wearing a black "I Was There- WWE Draft" shirt with an October 2021 date at the grocery store today. Can't find an image online and a bit of research reveals that draft did indeed begin right here in Baltimore. So that's actually a pretty cool example of show specific memorabilia.

I’m watching snme from March 1987 and there talking about roddy piper retiring

Aug 7, 2022 16:04:35 GMT DanTheMan said:

I’m watching snme from March 1987 and there talking about roddy piper retiring

Piper missed WrestleManias IV & V because of his "retirement" and VII because of his injury/hip replacement?

If he hadn't been retired, or otherwise did it in such a way that he could've returned from Hollywood for WrestleMania programs, what do you think he would've/should've done at those missing WrestleManias?

I feel like he's an upgrade option in WrestleMania IV's tournament, if we even still have a tournament. Since this is potentially such a butterfly effect, I could see there being no tournament even. Hulk Hogan just straight up challenges illegitimate Champion DiBiase. Piper returns as Hulk's least-likely ally and goes after André. Savage avenges his rival-turned-friend Steamboat by challenging Honky for the IC belt.

Perhaps the Mega Powers then become Hulk & Piper instead. Piper helps Hulk crack into Hollywood is the angle planting the seeds of jealousy and insecurity. Piper turns on Hogan, and we finally get their one-on-one title match at WrestleMania V. Maybe it's a cage match. Maybe it's a No Holds Barred match to help sell Hulk's first movie. Maybe some added stip like Piper retires from acting or never challenges for the WWF title again as long as Hulk is champ if Piper loses? Piper loses but then reflects after the match and bows down to Hulk as the better man, reverting to a sympathetic face.

WrestleMania VII, Piper faces DiBiase instead of Virgil. Virgil is in a neutral corner. DiBiase has offered Virgil a chance to redeem himself for his insolence at Royal Rumble. Rejoin DiBiase, doing as he's told, for a lifelong job guaranty. Or, remain neutral (which is tantamount to joining Piper or otherwise rejecting the job offer). Match features DiBiase ruthlessly targeting Piper's leg to set up Piper's absence from hip surgery. Virgil appears conflicted throughout the match, but finally has seen enough when the action spills out to the floor. Virgil attacks DiBiase to prevent DiBiase from nailing Piper with the Million Dollar title belt. DiBiase is counted out while brawling at ringside with Virgil, setting up their big one-on-one blow-off for SummerSlam.

What was Piper doing in 1993, 1994, and 1995?Could he have wrestled at WrestleManias IX, X, and XI too?

Baker Emergence is this Friday the 12th. Its a Impact plus special/ppv. $5 plus tax on youtube and you get the channel for a month. Bound for Glory is in Oct and will be $40. For a test run $5 is not a bad deal. I posted the announced matches in the Impact section. Actually looks pretty good.

Aug 8, 2022 1:09:04 GMT bodyslam said:

Baker Emergence is this Friday the 12th. Its a Impact plus special/ppv. $5 plus tax on youtube and you get the channel for a month. Bound for Glory is in Oct and will be $40. For a test run $5 is not a bad deal. I posted the announced matches in the Impact section. Actually looks pretty good.

Fuuuck me, could Impact actually become our new NWA Powerrr!?

Aug 8, 2022 1:12:37 GMT 🤯 said:

Aug 8, 2022 1:09:04 GMT bodyslam said:

Baker Emergence is this Friday the 12th. Its a Impact plus special/ppv. $5 plus tax on youtube and you get the channel for a month. Bound for Glory is in Oct and will be $40. For a test run $5 is not a bad deal. I posted the announced matches in the Impact section. Actually looks pretty good.

Fuuuck me, could Impact actually become our new NWA Powerrr!?

Unlikely. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. But I do want to give it a shot while I'm on this weird TNA nostalgia kick. 

Watched Vince Russo rebook the invasion. Storyline wise it was very compelling though I would make a few tweaks. Russo being Russo though he only loosely books two matches during the whole two hour process, lol. As many of the commenters said, way better than Corny's attempt.

Aug 9, 2022 17:45:54 GMT Shootist said:

Watched Vince Russo rebook the invasion. Storyline wise it was very compelling though I would make a few tweaks. Russo being Russo though he only loosely books two matches during the whole two hour process, lol. As many of the commenters said, way better than Corny's attempt.

Share an outline of the main beats?

Aug 10, 2022 0:03:36 GMT 🤯 said:

Aug 9, 2022 17:45:54 GMT Shootist said:

Watched Vince Russo rebook the invasion. Storyline wise it was very compelling though I would make a few tweaks. Russo being Russo though he only loosely books two matches during the whole two hour process, lol. As many of the commenters said, way better than Corny's attempt.

Share an outline of the main beats?

Week 0: The last Nitro goes off pretty much as booked with Flair/Sting finishing it up. No simulcast though with Vince/Shane which is replaced by a tribute to WCW and the announcers just explain that AOL/Time Warner doesn't want to air wrestling anymore, "thank you for watching all these years, it's the end of an era", fade to black. WWF goes business as usual for a few weeks in the aftermath. 

Weeks 1-3: Scott Hall (week 1), Kevin Nash (week 2) and Hulk Hogan (week 3) come out of the crowd and humbly beg for their jobs back. They're sorry they ever went to WCW. Each week for each individual McMahon comes out and dresses them down and pretty much buries them on the mic. Hall and Nash pretty much take Vince's verbal onslaught but Hogan fires back on Vince to plant the seeds of something bigger coming. I didn't like this as it made the old nWo nucleus look like weak sauce.

Weeks 4-5: WWF Raw is business as usual. No mention of the buyout or McMahon's tirades against his former employees.

Weeks 6-8: In successive weeks Kurt Angle, Steve Austin and the Rock are found brutally beaten backstage. Weeks 7 and 8 sees Austin and Angle accuse fellow WWF superstars of attacking them. Week 8's Raw closes with an image of the Rock rolling over to finally reveal "nWo" spray painted on his back. Cliffhanger, bro.

Week 9: Vince cuts a promo on Hall, Nash, Hogan threatening to sue them for their attacks. Meanwhile the Titantron is hijacked by an nWo black and white promo cutting Vince off. The nWo doesn't care about jobs, they just want to make Vince's life a living hell. They also say they are going to make their presence felt at the next PPV by taking out someone near and dear to Vince's heart.

PPV (they use Summerslam): The nWo beats the living hell out of Shane McMahon. Shane is in the ring bravely calling out the nWo. nWo hits the ring from the crowd, Vince comes out and he gets roughed up as well. Interesting to note, Russo is not a fan of Hogan in a situation like this physically so Nash and Hall do the dirty work. Hogan watches showing no emotion.

As a funny aside, Sean is really getting impatient with Russo at this point wanting him to bring in more guys. Eventually Russo flips all the roster sheets over nearly throwing them away then exclaims "We are pulling 8.0's and you want to bring in Arn Anderson?!!!", hilarious bro.

Week 10: Vince comes out in his fighting attire and challenges the nWo. He even threatens to fire WWF superstars who want to interfere. After no response from the nWo, Vince does become a deer in the headlights as he sees Eric Bischoff make his way through the crowd. They have a standoff in the ring as the show fades to black.

Week 11: Vince starts Raw off by shooting on Bischoff. Bischoff comes out and says he has nothing to do with the nWo. He then goes on to say he can get rid of Vince's "nWo problem" if he gets a job with the WWF.

Week 12: Bischoff and Vince have an on air contract signing to make Bischoff an employee. Vince gives Eric 60 days to get rid of the nWo. Eric responds saying he has no friends in the WWF who will help so he will give some of his old pals from WCW a call.

Weeks 13-16: These weeks see Bischoff hire Flair, Booker T, Goldberg and Sting to get rid of the nWo. Each guy gets a shoot promo in on Hogan, Hall and Nash.

Week 17: nWo accepts Bischoff challenge of a 6-man match vs Booker T, Sting and Goldberg

Week 18: Hogan, Hall and Nash beat Book, Sting and Goldberg.

Week 19: Upset that the nWo problem isn't going away Rock and Austin have had enough and are going to get rid of the nWo themselves. Sting and Goldberg make an offer to help and they accept.
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PPV: I guess in a handicap match we see Rock, Austin Goldberg and Sting take on Hogan, Hall and Nash. If the nWo wins they get WWF contracts equal to the Time Warner ones they had originally. SWERVE BRO, Sting and Goldberg turn on Rock and Austin, nWo wins so now we have Hogan, Hall, Nash, Sting, Goldberg, Booker, Flair all with WWF contracts. More specifically Sting attacks Rock and Goldberg attacks Austin setting up future programs for each.

I didn't like this as it aligns the nWo with WCW which never made sense (see the Sting/Triple H match.) With my tweaks my endgame would have been the WWF guys turning on Goldberg and Sting, defeating them and ending WCW which was the nWo's goal in the first place when they formed in 1996 making a fitting end to the storyline.

For fun they also book a potential mid card WWF vs WCW feud involving Chris Jericho sent by Vince to humiliate Lex Luger at every turn stemming from Lex's defection in 1995. A fun idea I guess. They also do a potential Wrestlemania angle where Vince beats Bischoff in a singles match only for Paul Heyman to come out and unleash the ECW guys on the WWF.

I'm sure this has been touched on endlessly before, but regarding Rock/Hogan. We know Austin's story. Claims he didn't want it due to the match, but we know the deal. He didn't wanna get booed or not be the defacto face in the match. Funny considering he spent the past year and a half trying to do just that. I can see it though... bitter about his past treatment and despite making the WWF famous again it would be Hogan with the heroes welcome. He woulda went over because Rock did, but he probably fears that being the last thing anyone remembers.

ANYWAYS

So Rock is the consolation prize, supposedly. But didn't it just make more sense for Rock? The Austin match was with Goldberg (which wasn't on the cards obv) but I'm saying in terms of who Hogan faced. Shame the Rock match didn't take place until after the Austin run, would fuel that paranoia handsomely. Rock was less of a "worker" than Austin (like Hogan), Hollywood connections and he just felt more Hogan esque than Austin.

It's been TWENTY YEARS BRAH. Time just goes man. Probably saw it last like 15 yrs ago, I remember an old user @afterglow claiming the match sucked more dicks than Jenna Jameson. And yet I didn't think it was bad at all. Fun match and unlike Joe/Kobashi it wasn't all chops. Maybe that's why Rock succeeded when Austin failed, he was willing to take it like a champ. Austin too prideful which is why he only did "badass" roles. Rock can do it all.

WM17 and 19 are a wash since both in it.

Breakdown triple threat
Isn't Benoit match underrated af?
Brock
Vengeance 3 way APPARENTLY
Kurt NWO01
Jericho NM01
HHH Ladder
HHH Iron Man
Hogan

Ehhh that's all I can think of. But does Austin reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally have that many more better matches? Maybe his tops are better but his muffin stump is ALL FILLER.

Like take away the 2 Bret matches and isn't it pretty even? No?