Jun 13, 2023 5:28:08 GMT NATH45 said:

You're telling me, a system that young people have used their entire lives in some way, shape or form that exists as the basis across all platforms including online drives and cloud systems... Gen Z are struggling with?

A generation attached at the hip to a PC and Twitch account? A generation of content creators and influencers?

I use folder based OS on a cracked Mini Super Nintendo, and my 3 year has mastered navigation around this convoluted system (half of which appears to be in Russian) in weeks.

There's no story here.

It is unreal how fast kids pick up on computer stuff.  Remember the little one I was helping to raise mod her copy of minecraft at 9 on her own.  Sure was not a super deep task, but just did not expect her to realize it was even possible, let alone search out how to do it and where to get mods.

Jun 13, 2023 5:51:28 GMT c said:

Jun 13, 2023 5:08:03 GMT iNCY said:

It is pointless because it contains the same percentage of waste as a BA degree, so there is even less of the good stuff.
I am talking about a course that focuses on getting workers ready for the workforce without the froth and bubble.

We do teach all that you listed in high school business classes.  Employers do not care about it though.  45 hours is not enough time to cover a range of topics like you listed in any depth.  Would only have 5 hours per topic with 8 topics, which ends up as 3 hours of direct instruction a week.  Just not gonna get anything except the most basic coverage of the topics with that little time.  And again, jobs do not care about the associates degree, which is 20 classes, so a single class will mean nothing to them.  

Who said 45 hours?

45 hours is the length of a traditional college course.

A semester right?

Yup. Courses here are a semester long.  But you do it by hours for summer and winter offerings.

Jun 13, 2023 5:28:08 GMT NATH45 said:

You're telling me, a system that young people have used their entire lives in some way, shape or form that exists as the basis across all platforms including online drives and cloud systems... Gen Z are struggling with?

A generation attached at the hip to a PC and Twitch account? A generation of content creators and influencers?

I use folder based OS on a cracked Mini Super Nintendo, and my 3 year has mastered navigation around this convoluted system (half of which appears to be in Russian) in weeks.

There's no story here.

Not agreeing or disagreeing because I don't know nearly enough Gen-Zers to say, but the general analogy would be just because you know how to drive a car, it doesn't mean you know how it works.

also with quicker computers/cloud access, being able to seamlessly add tags and metadata to docs and files and quick searches, it wouldn't surprise me to hear of a younger person going 'folders? why bother?'

Most use folders on their phones and net browsers though something the gen-z bashing articles pretend does not exist. Ironically, I bet most of the people complaining about gen z cannot use a phone as well as they can.

Just to go on record, I'm defending Gen Z here.

I doubt, highly doubt the concept of "folders" is causing mass confusion as another ridiculous internet article might suggest.

Researchers and popular media loosely use the mid-to-late 1990s as starting birth years - if you're 10 years old in 2005, you're likely using XP or Vista (if you're lucky) both operating systems, visually aren't too far removed from the classic 95/98 OS.

So, I'm calling bullshit.

Constantly I see articles from the supposed perspective of an entire generation and it's usually a handful of screenshots from Twitter or TikTok of some dumbass and their inability to comprehend a basic, fundamentally embedded part of life.

" Gen Z stumped by ring pull on can of beans - details inside! "

Here's the story of two idiots who ended up in the ED by using their teeth instead of their fingers..

This was not even a research study, it was one professor complaining. We ran over 100 students in our study at unc on computer use and not a single one had to be told what a folder was or what a file was. Every student in the study was considered gen z.

Looking like up to half of the US moving to a 4 day work week, with same pay. Companies that moved to it, find no loss of productivity.

Companies that already swapped said their profits increased, they have more productivity and are able to recruit top talent more easily.

Not expected everyone will move to this, but those who do not may struggle to find workers, or be left taking the workers that other places reject. May also have to pay workers more to compensate for working that extra day.

Texas removing mandatory water breaks for construction workers in their local ordinance ban.

Currently the laws require 10 minute breaks every four hours for water and to cool down. Believed most places will get rid of these breaks once they are able.

Also worth noting Texas is one of the few place construction workers die every year from heat exhaustion.

@nobi!!!!

Jun 16, 2023 10:28:54 GMT c said:

Looking like up to half of the US moving to a 4 day work week, with same pay. Companies that moved to it, find no loss of productivity.

Companies that already swapped said their profits increased, they have more productivity and are able to recruit top talent more easily.

Not expected everyone will move to this, but those who do not may struggle to find workers, or be left taking the workers that other places reject. May also have to pay workers more to compensate for working that extra day.

Any company that can move to 4 days of work instead of 5 and see no decline in output doesn't deserve to exist.

More companies that move to 32 hours, the harder it will get to fill spots at 40. Then the boomers will cry again no one wants to work anymore.

Amazon, Basecamp, Bolt, Buffer, Microsoft, Panasonic, Eidos-Montréal, Samsung and Toshiba all offer 4 days. Some of the largest companies in the world in that list, that I would say clearly know what they are doing.

Every company that experiments with this finds increases in productivity.

Iceland is 85% at the four day work week now.  Japan, Belgium and South Africa are moving towards a four day work week being the norm as well.  Depending on how the next year goes, most of the US could be on it as well.

Jun 18, 2023 7:39:11 GMT iNCY said:

Jun 16, 2023 10:28:54 GMT c said:

Looking like up to half of the US moving to a 4 day work week, with same pay. Companies that moved to it, find no loss of productivity.

Companies that already swapped said their profits increased, they have more productivity and are able to recruit top talent more easily.

Not expected everyone will move to this, but those who do not may struggle to find workers, or be left taking the workers that other places reject. May also have to pay workers more to compensate for working that extra day.

Any company that can move to 4 days of work instead of 5 and see no decline in output doesn't deserve to exist.

Or weren't exactly highly productive in the first place.

Or find higher productivity rates in employees after moving to 4 days, which increases the overall productivity rate despite decreasing hours.

Which is what the studies all have said is the case, and why companies that trial this almost always keep it.

As for productivity, 2/5 of the top five companies in the world have a 4 day week.  Apple and Alphabet may trial it soon as well.

If I'm productive for 25 out of 32 hours, I'm productive for 78% of my time.

If I'm productive for 25 out of 40 hours, I'm then only productive for 62% of my time.

So, yes. Productivity rate has increased, but not overall output.

The output is what is increasing not the rate.

Sorry, what?

Jun 18, 2023 9:04:03 GMT c said:

Or find higher productivity rates in employees after moving to 4 days, which increases the overall productivity rate despite decreasing hours.

Cutting hours led to an increase in overall production not a decrease. Which is why companies are adopting it after trials.

www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/bosses-blast-the-bare-minimum-monday-work-trend/news-story/6003dc3b4af2522cef1ed1015eb85f5f


Minimum Mondays 😂
I'm guessing this will be on top of the 4 day work week.

I love living in a parody universe.
My favourite part is that Minimum Mondays are for doing all the personal tasks required for the week... Here's me cutting the lawn on Saturdays when I could be sitting on the sofa with a thumb up my ass and do it on Mondays when I am expected to be working. What a silly boomer I am.

Gen Z :

" I can't afford to live! "

Also Gen Z :

" So on Mondays, I'll be doing the bare minimum. Ok. The boomers will just have to deal that.

Yeah, I know I had 3 days off... but those days off are for me - Mondays aren't for me, but like.. for me, but it's different...

The rest of the week, look I'm quiet-quitting. Ok. And you know what, I'm going to be working from home too and guess what, I'm still only going to do it like 4 days a week. "

Also Gen Z :

" My boomer boss, like he's 35.. cringe, he thinks I'm unproductive and wants me to be in the office so he can see my work is getting done like I'm some unproductive, nonsensical child with entitlement issues and delusional ideas of grandeur... also, check out my TikTok. "

Also Gen Z :

" I want to buy a new house.. "

Boomers, Gen X & Y :

" I own 3. We worked for it. "

Also Gen Z :

" Was no-one listening? On Mondays, I'll be doing the bare minimum.. "

Bet this has as much truth to it as the rest of the shit Murdoch's papers make up.

In other news, Gen X premier of New South Wales has told people to get back to work. Calling for people to return to the office and stop being children.

But, if Suzi your Spanish Poodle needs a sponge bath on Mondays and caring about your job enough to put in an effort is too much to ask - sure, stay home and keep contemplating why you cant afford to eat.

Now, I should clarify this isn't all Gen Z'ers - just the over-educated ones afraid of actual work. Some young people are getting rich doing what has always worked - working. Putting in. Not looking for days off or shortening their week, or looking for reasons to " ease into " their job... most people working outside of these wanky bullshit roles wouldn't have an actual job if they went to their bosses and told them :

" yeah, I'm doing the bare minimum on Mondays.. I'll probably turn up sometime after lunch, after I've played some Mario Kart - and then to be completely honest, I probably wont do much much this afternoon as I need to ease into the week slowly... "

It's also funny the class warfare that's going on here.
Bricklayers, taxi drivers, assembly workers can't work from home, can't achieve the same output in 4 days vs 5.
It's going to get a bit galling to a forklift operator who gets up at 5am to see someone needing their minimal mondays

I get the feeling a lot of this movement/talk is focused on the bored office worker. 4 day workweek, WFH, quiet quitting, etc. really doesn't seem to apply to every job and is for a very specific type of environment.

Jun 19, 2023 11:27:56 GMT @ness said:

I get the feeling a lot of this movement/talk is focused on the bored office worker. 4 day workweek, WFH, quiet quitting, etc. really doesn't seem to apply to every job and is for a very specific type of environment.

Yes if you walk on a production line you can't quiet quit or do minimal mondays... Stuff ends up on the floor.

That's the problem with all these nebulous jobs these days, many of them are pointless and unmeasurable.

WFH does not, but the rest do. But the goal of these "kids are lazy" articles is to create class warfare and generational warfare. Keep the plebs fighting each other, and they will not unite and fight for reform. So they find a few people on reddit or tik tok, sensationalize a headline and make up stories about things that are largely not real.

Remember Murdoch in court will claim no reasonable person will believe his media is making truth claims. Yet the links keep getting shared.

Production line workers are just .1% of the US workforce. The reason we focus on desk workers here is depending on how you define it, 60 to 80 percent of US workers are workers who spend most of their time at a desk.

The reason why these articles focus on office workers, is because they're written by office workers about their peers using the only platform they understand to get a story, the internet.