China urging Putin to end the war and negotiate with the Ukraine.

Mistakes have been clearly made. Russia may have started a war they cannot finish.

So they pulled a scorched earth on themselves.

US intel kind of confirmed that tweet. Russia planned to move outside of Kiev and have the people flee and the military surrender so they could install a puppet government. They thought the entire war would be over in 1 to 4 days with them as the victors. The resistance they are facing was not expected and frankly, they do not have the plans or supplies chain to deal with it.

So far, Ukraine is holding off 50% of the Russian army and Putin is furious.  While he can deploy the other 50% he was not planning to move more than 30% of them into play so he already has far more people in the Ukraine than he wanted.  Everything in play risks destructions so committing everything to the field would leave Putin's military in a weakened state after this.

This also kind of shows clearly why we do not use tanks anymore.  Most of his tanks are just dead weight and not adding anything to the invasion outside of a show of might, that Ukraine is not afraid of.

What a while conflict, this is like when the school bully pushes a kid and the kid beats the shit out of them.  This continues on the way people think it will, Putin's image of military might is absolutely ruined.  Also sends a message to China, that if you want to make a show of force, you need to have the tech to back it up and cold war era shit is not good enough.

Feb 26, 2022 17:39:55 GMT c said:

Mistakes have been clearly made. Russia may have started a war they cannot finish.

Somebody didn't study for the test and is copying off our homework!

Feb 26, 2022 17:47:04 GMT c said:

US intel kind of confirmed that tweet. Russia planned to move outside of Kiev and have the people flee and the military surrender so they could install a puppet government. They thought the entire war would be over in 1 to 4 days with them as the victors. The resistance they are facing was not expected and frankly, they do not have the plans or supplies chain to deal with it.

I believe I mentioned their poor supply chain earlier in this thread when I mentioned my friends and ex telling me about feeding and supplying the Russian Troops during Bosnian Peacekeeping missions and Afghanistan War so obviously this has been on ongoing issue for them so why Putin thought to do this during a time there is a global supply chain issue likely expecting sanctions, just shows his arrogance. He’s left his soldiers to be killed for following the orders of a madman/megalomaniac.

The real concern now is Putin gets desperate to show a victory and destroys Kiev. If he returns home in defeat he will be removed from power. But he is unlikely to win the war the way he is fighting and needs to win soon. Since the president of Ukraine is in Kiev, he could very well nuke them.

It’s called a “deep strike” doctrine. It involves fast-moving columns of armoured vehicles moving quickly to circle opposing forces. It relies on heavy artillery support to weaken opponents in its path. It needs a constant stream of troops and supplies to keep moving and suppress any resistance.

It’s an evolution of older Soviet Union-era armoured warfare.

Putin basically assumed that the Ukrainians would collapse, so all they would have to do is a 'thunder run' to Kyiv. 

Kyiv’s mayor Vitali Klitschko has imposed a curfew on the city and says anyone seen in the streets will be considered a Russian “saboteur” and has authorised 'shoot to kill orders' as well as reportedly taken on POWs.

Residents have started taping over exposed window panes and covering up street names, building numbers and other identifiable city markings to try to confuse the invading Russian force.

My favourite story is that Russians are becoming confused as to who to shoot, as they look like us .. allegedly

Well, intel suggests that Russia is going hard to take Kiev tonight and may just straight out shell the city. Hence curfew tonight. They want everyone either fighting or hunkered down in an air raid shelter.

Germany added to the country that is sending weapons.

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Putin bombarding Kiev now.  

I'm surprised he's attacking the western front, though I shouldn't be. Bold strategy Putin, let's see how this plays out.

Saw footage of a badass Ukrainian woman trying to give Russian soldiers sunflower seeds and telling them to put them in their pockets so something at least grows when they die there. Hope the Ukrainian people give the motherfucker all the hell they can muster.

If Kiev survives the night they will likely endure. That said, Russia is moving thermobaric missile launcher into the Ukraine. Likely Putin's game over plan, if he cannot take Kiev, he threatens to vacuum bombs it if they do not surrender. Would level a good chunk of the city.

The massive explosion was Putin hitting an oil refinery to try to kill Ukraine's supply line. He is going hard with the missiles tonight.

Some are reporting it was a thermobaric bomb, but just what happens when you bomb oil.

More " War in 2022 "

From Hackers declaring war on Russia. Cryptocurrency being utilised...

Tech billionaire Elon Musk has confirmed his SpaceX Starlink system is now operational in Ukraine.

Starlink provides internet to on-ground locations via satellites where infrastructure to support internet does not exist. ie; towers out of service

It uses "terminals" - or satellite dishes - to spread signal from SpaceX satellites around a location.

Not likely to do anything. Musk is known for peddling snake oil, and Starlink is likely still in the not fully operational state, like neurolink or safe self-driving cars.

Edit:  Wait, how is Musk planning to allow isolated Ukraine people to use the net, but not Russians in the countries in those same areas?  Did he basically just give Russia GPS for their troops?

Musk is a robot from russian scientists. He isn't a real person.

Ah here is the catch. They have internet, if they buy a Starlink dish and happen to be in a flat area with a direct view to the sky. Musk did fucking nothing but advertise his product.

No terminal you get no internet.

Civilians being able to communicate and locate their loved ones is probably a priority, as is enabling the Ukrainian and potentially NATO forces to communicate in real time.

Except there are no terminal rights now in the Ukraine to interface with the sats.  This is not wifi from space.

Feb 27, 2022 0:34:42 GMT c said:

Ah here is the catch. They have internet, if they buy a Starlink dish and happen to be in a flat area with a direct view to the sky. Musk did fucking nothing but advertise his product.

No terminal you get no internet.

Ukraine's Vice Prime Minister Mykhailo Fedorov on Saturday asked Tesla's CEO Elon Musk to provide Starlink stations, which are internet-beaming satellites launched by SpaceX, as the country continues to face an invasion by Russian forces.

A few hours later on Saturday, Musk said that Ukraine now has active Starlink service.

Yeah but the terminals are not there yet. They are being sent there now. Musk did not actually do anything.

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Trump just said Putin invaded the Ukraine as a response to the rigged US election CPAC eating it up.  

Feb 27, 2022 0:38:09 GMT NATH45 said:

Feb 27, 2022 0:34:42 GMT c said:

Ah here is the catch. They have internet, if they buy a Starlink dish and happen to be in a flat area with a direct view to the sky. Musk did fucking nothing but advertise his product.

No terminal you get no internet.

Ukraine's Vice Prime Minister Mykhailo Fedorov on Saturday asked Tesla's CEO Elon Musk to provide Starlink stations, which are internet-beaming satellites launched by SpaceX, as the country continues to face an invasion by Russian forces.

A few hours later on Saturday, Musk said that Ukraine now has active Starlink service.

You can use Starlink as a backhaul service, so if you have city wide WiFi you could use Starlink as a backhaul to the internet.
But I still think Musk is a knob.


Interesting to read the twitter thread about Putins anger.
It's what happens when you are an angry and irrational asshole, people tell you what they think you want to hear... So you don't fire them.

There is however no way Russia doesn't win this, unless they don't have the stomach for it. Even if they do win though, looks like it will be a forever guerilla insurgency.
It looks more like an Afghanistan type scenario every day.

No way to run a city of retransmitted sat internet. Would not have the transfer speed. Particular with an unclear sky with the oil refinery burning. And the tech is not there. Musk designed this all for private houses with sat dishes not commercial hubs running off a single point. Simply put if it was possible our military would already be doing it.

Putin cannot win a war against the people without attacking into the cities directly. That is a crime against humanity and justification for non-ally countries to move in and defend the Ukraine. And then disarm Russia. China making it clear that Russia is already at the line. They start to level neighborhoods, and China will walk from their alliance.

Putin's shock and awe war plan does not work in the modern era when we no longer tolerate bombing cities into submission.

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Russia was just removed SWIFT and international companies are privately cutting sales to Russia.  Intel and AMD being the biggest.  Pornhub being the deepest cutting.  But businesses and banks are now cut off from the rest of the world in Russia.  

Feb 27, 2022 1:28:22 GMT c said:

No way to run a city of retransmitted sat internet. Would not have the transfer speed. Particular with an unclear sky with the oil refinery burning. And the tech is not there. Musk designed this all for private houses with sat dishes not commercial hubs running off a single point. Simply put if it was possible our military would already be doing it.

Putin cannot win a war against the people without attacking into the cities directly. That is a crime against humanity and justification for non-ally countries to move in and defend the Ukraine. And then disarm Russia. China making it clear that Russia is already at the line. They start to level neighborhoods, and China will walk from their alliance.

Putin's shock and awe war plan does not work in the modern era when we no longer tolerate bombing cities into submission.

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Russia was just removed SWIFT and international companies are privately cutting sales to Russia.  Intel and AMD being the biggest.  Pornhub being the deepest cutting.  But businesses and banks are now cut off from the rest of the world in Russia.  

I'm not saying they are going to be streaming 4k, but you definitely get enough spped for text messages.

The world is not looking for a reason to send troops into Ukraine, they are looking for every possible reason not to do it. There is a reason the USA indirectly funding a guerilla insurgency in Afghanistan, because there is nobway to directly engage without facing the full force of Russia.
Look at Korea and China,the North and South are still technically at war.

Head of the largest gas company, which is the leading company in Russia, just killed himself.

Incy I am not sure they can even do that. Starlink like all sat coverages needs a clear view of the sky for a single user to even get a clear enough signal for regular use. Ukraine has a layer of smoke over it from the fires though. At best sat internet is choppy and inconsistent. In Ukraine conditions, it is likely not to function. And again, it sounds like there is no system in place now to turn a single point into a wide net wifi. So this will be maybe a few hundred people get a dish, then can negotiate with Musk for internet. Basically all Musk did was remove the region lock on users in the Ukraine.

But given his preorders to Americans are a year behind, they should not hold their breath. Also very likely he plans to ship them the old model of dishes that he since replaced because they were not delivering what he promised.

Russia did not fare too well last night.  Seems most of the Ukraine fighting is done with molotovs as it wrecks the Russia armor.  Dozens of pictures of torched Russia supply convoys floating around.  Some with bodies in them.  Whoever is doing the Ukraine propaganda is doing a fantastic job.  Last night had the ghost of kiev, tonight the power of the molotov.  Ukraine wins this it will be the propaganda that does it for them.

Feb 27, 2022 3:14:37 GMT c said:

Head of the largest gas company, which is the leading company in Russia, just killed himself.

Incy I am not sure they can even do that. Starlink like all sat coverages needs a clear view of the sky for a single user to even get a clear enough signal for regular use. Ukraine has a layer of smoke over it from the fires though. At best sat internet is choppy and inconsistent. In Ukraine conditions, it is likely not to function. And again, it sounds like there is no system in place now to turn a single point into a wide net wifi. So this will be maybe a few hundred people get a dish, then can negotiate with Musk for internet. Basically all Musk did was remove the region lock on users in the Ukraine.

But given his preorders to Americans are a year behind, they should not hold their breath. Also very likely he plans to ship them the old model of dishes that he since replaced because they were not delivering what he promised.

I wouldn't think you would need Starlink branded satellite dishes to access the Starlink network.
There is no choppiness with satellite internet from a stationary point, the problem has always been the latency, which Musk was proposing to solve with lasers.
Not that I really care about this argument.


I'm becoming suspicious of the disinformation on both sides, we hear reports of passenger transports shot down, but no footage or photos of the wreck.

Very minimal POV footage either, back in 2014 I remember seeing a lot of go-pro style clips of fighting in the streets, but not this time.

You do need their dishes. That is why people who signed up cannot use it. And Musk did not solve the latency problem. He said he was, but like all Musk things, he could not solve it and just said it is fine. But still looking at over 100mg of lag, which means somestuff will time out. Starlink is in trouble too and he is charging now 500 a month for 500mb down service. Looks like he plans to replace the original sats with a new improved model. As for his lasers, it speeds transfer in space, but the lasers do not transmit back to the ground. He is heavily relying on people not understand anything about how this all works, and using buzzwords to sell it.


Ukrainians to fight Russian disinfo are documenting everything they can. Captures, getting Russians medical attention, the imprisonment conditions, ect. They know Russia is accusing them of genocide so they are posting what they can publically. And really they have little reason to lie. They are only off Russia, but Russia is fighting with both hands tied behind their back still. And everyone knows this. Even with the supply lines mostly lost, and their armor getting torched, should they want, they can level Kiev with nukes or vacuum bombs.

Russian disinfo is pretty wild. In Russia the conflict is a small scale operation of a few thousands troops fighting to end Russian genocide in the Ukraine. And people are not buying it at all.