Here's what I know, Dave Meltzer has never had a conversation with a woman let alone having one with Samantha Irvin.

Sami Zayn talking cordially to Solo Sikoa is fascinating. Never would have expected that.

Almost as fascinating is Finn Balor walking away from the Judgment Day.

Fuck Sami. Once a meddler, always a meddler.

Most of this current bloodline story has been so easy to guess that I’ve been bored with it, but I do like KO d of the mirror reflection of how the Bloodline started versus where it is now which Sami hinted at yesterday.

Who always seemed on the same page: Roman and Solo but now they’re the two top dogs opposed to each other.

Who was the first person to be beside Roman as he started his bloodline? A wise man. Who will now presumably be the last to return? The wise man.

The first USO on the bloodline was Jey, with Jimmy being dubious. Now Jimmy is fully invested and Jey is not certain.

Sami got in the first run because of Jimmy and Roman, now it’s his attachment to Jey that is keeping him around while the other two appear less certain.

It’s a nice funhouse mirror version of getting the gang back together.

KO is going to stay enraged once he turns his attention to Sami.

Did anyone see this segment air on RAW?
I watched the entire show and could swear it never aired for me.


I only saw it on X, then I saw a TikTok creator react to it as if it aired?

Can we send Chad to Smackdown and take The US Title from Knight please?

This fifth man thing better be headed somewhere good because there’s no good reason it isn’t 4 on 4

Nov 12, 2024 3:06:57 GMT mikec said:

This fifth man thing better be headed somewhere good because there’s no good reason it isn’t 4 on 4

Between spoilers and last nights Smackdown I’d say no, this was a dumb plan.

Nov 16, 2024 20:32:10 GMT mikec said:

Nov 12, 2024 3:06:57 GMT mikec said:

This fifth man thing better be headed somewhere good because there’s no good reason it isn’t 4 on 4

Between spoilers and last nights Smackdown I’d say no, this was a dumb plan.

I'm happy with it. To be honest I'm already bored of Roman and friends vs Solo and friends, at least bringing some outsiders in the war adds some freshness for a few weeks.

Nov 17, 2024 20:54:35 GMT Emperor said:

Nov 16, 2024 20:32:10 GMT mikec said:

Between spoilers and last nights Smackdown I’d say no, this was a dumb plan.

I'm happy with it. To be honest I'm already bored of Roman and friends vs Solo and friends, at least bringing some outsiders in the war adds some freshness for a few weeks.

I get that take, but shoehorning a “Roman and Seth reunite” story into the gimmick takes a bit away from both the story they’re currently telling and an eventual Seth-Roman reunion. And it’s for such a silly reason, as if war games has always been 5 on 5 so they HAVE TO find a guy.

A few other reasons I dislike it:
1) adding people outside the core feud takes away the “this is personal” layout of war games. It’s like saying CM Punk and Drew McIntyre are going to Hell in a Cell and we’re going to add in Sheamus because three people is more fun. Adding random feuds into the War Games match is reminiscent of the late 80’s early 90’s Survivor Series matches where a mishmash of baby faces were against a mishmash of the heels they were individually feuding with.
2) It unnecessarily adds length to a match. The War Games matches drag, bloodline matches tend to drag a bit, waiting so much longer for the 5th guys before the match will really even get going is meh.
3) that padding and the lack of the “this is personal” for everyone adds to the biggest problem for the WWE war games, they’re more gimmicky than good. The last two of these on the men side have lacked significant physicality. It’s called war games, it should feel like it.
4)This has been a problem every year they’ve had it. The WWE hasn’t had many natural 5 person groupings.

They did a 3v3v3 match in NXT, so why do the have to play by the 5v5 rule?

I don’t enjoy War Games all together, I miss the traditional Survivor Series matches.

Nov 17, 2024 22:54:55 GMT System said:

I don’t enjoy War Games all together, I miss the traditional Survivor Series matches.

I like War Games, but the WWE/NXT versions lack a certain viciousness. A lot of the NXT versions favoured clean high spots instead.

And, The Bloodline for all the apparent heat they have with one another, and even when fighting outside of the family, they all work a very meandering pace, especially Roman. It takes him 20 minutes to really get any pace going and I don't have a lot of faith anyone will come out swinging in this match.

WWE killed Survivor Series with the constant brand v brand matches. Given there's JD, Bloodline A, Bloodline B and several Mexican stables and probably few others, I wonder if Survivor Series and War Games could work as two separate PLEs.

Nov 17, 2024 22:46:29 GMT NATH45 said:

They did a 3v3v3 match in NXT, so why do the have to play by the 5v5 rule?

They also did the 3x3x3 in 1998, and look at the disaster that occurred there.

Nov 18, 2024 2:25:55 GMT CM Punk'd said:

Nov 17, 2024 22:46:29 GMT NATH45 said:

They did a 3v3v3 match in NXT, so why do the have to play by the 5v5 rule?

They also did the 3x3x3 in 1998, and look at the disaster that occurred there.

Are there any WCW War Games matches worth watching?

I had a WWE produced War Games DVD, and never got past the first match, I just found them slow and boring. I had similar opinions of Royal Rumble matches until recently - slow, boring and a lot of bodies stomping and putting on holds in the corners.

Nov 18, 2024 3:47:33 GMT NATH45 said:

Nov 18, 2024 2:25:55 GMT CM Punk'd said:

They also did the 3x3x3 in 1998, and look at the disaster that occurred there.

Are there any WCW War Games matches worth watching?

I had a WWE produced War Games DVD, and never got past the first match, I just found them slow and boring. I had similar opinions of Royal Rumble matches until recently - slow, boring and a lot of bodies stomping and putting on holds in the corners.

Sting’s Squadron vs. The Dangerous Alliance from WrestleWar ‘92.

Oct 30, 2024 0:46:37 GMT NATH45 said:

Fuck Sami. Once a meddler, always a meddler.

vt.tiktok.com/ZSjaAcvWK/

Nov 18, 2024 3:55:00 GMT System said:

Oct 30, 2024 0:46:37 GMT NATH45 said:

Fuck Sami. Once a meddler, always a meddler.

vt.tiktok.com/ZSjaAcvWK/

Don't have TikkyTok, but I assume it's Sami meddling into Bloodline affairs.

Nov 18, 2024 3:57:42 GMT NATH45 said:

Nov 18, 2024 3:55:00 GMT System said:

vt.tiktok.com/ZSjaAcvWK/

Don't have TikkyTok, but I assume it's Sami meddling into Bloodline affairs.

It’s Sami moving his phone in the segment where the OG bloodline see Solo walking to the ring & The Uso’s tell Roman to make the call.

So in other words yes :lol: