Jan 16, 2024 5:35:38 GMT iNCY said:

Jan 16, 2024 5:24:02 GMT KJ said:

The fact we’re going to see Trump vs. Biden again is nauseating. I can’t believe this is the best either party can do.

The media has been talking up Hayley, but I think she is the Democrat choice amongst Republicans.
Vivek was the only one who sounded different to me, I also think Trump's margin is wide enough that money is going to dry up for the other candidates.
Now it will be whether one goes after being Trump's VP.

It was such a weird play for DeSantis if he had have run not against Trump next time he would have stood a great chance.


I don't think the DNC wants to see Trump vs Biden 2, I expect someone else is in the WH by then, Biden's approval rating is cratering, but installing Harris would only make it worse.

Maybe two cycles after Trump he’d be a success. He’s terrible on camera… say what you want about the cheeto dipshit he’s got stage presence and charisma. Add that into he’s mean to all the people conservatives don’t like. It’s looks some weird ass perfect storm for dumasses. Trump voters are never gonna fall in with him. And your ever dwindling less insane wing of the party doesn’t like him any more than Trump.

Jan 16, 2024 5:35:38 GMT iNCY said:

Jan 16, 2024 5:24:02 GMT KJ said:

The fact we’re going to see Trump vs. Biden again is nauseating. I can’t believe this is the best either party can do.

The media has been talking up Hayley, but I think she is the Democrat choice amongst Republicans.
Vivek was the only one who sounded different to me, I also think Trump's margin is wide enough that money is going to dry up for the other candidates.
Now it will be whether one goes after being Trump's VP.

It was such a weird play for DeSantis if he had have run not against Trump next time he would have stood a great chance.


I don't think the DNC wants to see Trump vs Biden 2, I expect someone else is in the WH by then, Biden's approval rating is cratering, but installing Harris would only make it worse.

Hayley is absolutely the Democrats choice, because she’s the only one (in our opinion) that comes off as sane.

Vivek is tech bro Trump. But he’s too … not white … to ever make it in the party.

Desantis is a charisma vacuum. I don’t know how he’s made it this far in politics with those awkward stares, boot lifts, and creepy smiles.

I'd take Haley over any other Republican candidate in a heartbeat. The others are mean-spirited assholes and it would be embarrassing for them to be our leader.

Im a little nervous about some of the things Haley says (and wildly promotes) like her China will be on the ash heap of history bit, but yeah she’s the only one of the top four that ones across as moderately competent.

Jan 17, 2024 18:11:49 GMT mikec said:

Im a little nervous about some of the things Haley says (and wildly promotes) like her China will be on the ash heap of history bit, but yeah she’s the only one of the top four that ones across as moderately competent.

Caught this on MSNBC and I think the JP Morgan guy captured my thoughts pretty well:

This is what Haley and the Dems miss about the American mood I think.

Jan 18, 2024 2:02:43 GMT iNCY said:

Jan 17, 2024 18:11:49 GMT mikec said:

Im a little nervous about some of the things Haley says (and wildly promotes) like her China will be on the ash heap of history bit, but yeah she’s the only one of the top four that ones across as moderately competent.

Caught this on MSNBC and I think the JP Morgan guy captured my thoughts pretty well:

This is what Haley and the Dems miss about the American mood I think.

Jaime Dimon shits on democrats. The world shrugs.

It has nothing to do with Trump’s performance, let alone his policies.

I think the problem is a bit different:

Democrats have been telling the right for years now they *have* to change and essentially embrace every democratic belief. And if they don’t, they’re a bigoted piece of shit.

The Republican message, incapsulated best by Trump, is that you don’t have to change. And fuck anyone that says you do.

It’s simple but effective.

I don’t really miss it, I think by and large a good portion of the country is dumb.

Or maybe a nicer way to say it is that a good portion of the country is misinformed by a cycle of disinformation that gets cycled through their YouTube, Facebook, and X feeds, propped up by algorithms that promote content that creates anger. The newest breed of politician on both sides of the aisle have learned this and now have learned it’s better to feed the anger cycle than it is to be honest, better to be a sensationalistic star for the 24 hour news networks than to be a problem solver.

And lest you think I’m saying this only about the morons that post memes of Donald Trump taking Jesus’s place at the Lord’s Table (or media talking heads who say things like “Trump was deeply faithful to all of his wives”), it’s frequently bad on my side of the aisle as well. I’ve muted my fair share of friends that I agree with for posting articles with extreme headlines with no meat to the story, slandering people who disagree with them (many of whom are on their friend list). I argued with c more than I argued with kid or you, because it’s ridiculous to complain about one side exaggerating truths while then doing it yourself.

Things aren’t perfect here, but generally the angriest people are the ones who have fewer reasons to be so, the ones with the most time to be on their phone, learning why they should hate everyone that disagrees with them.

Jan 18, 2024 2:29:28 GMT mikec said:

I don’t really miss it, I think by and large a good portion of the country is dumb.

Or maybe a nicer way to say it is that a good portion of the country is misinformed by a cycle of disinformation that gets cycled through their YouTube, Facebook, and X feeds, propped up by algorithms that promote content that creates anger. The newest breed of politician on both sides of the aisle have learned this and now have learned it’s better to feed the anger cycle than it is to be honest, better to be a sensationalistic star for the 24 hour news networks than to be a problem solver.

And lest you think I’m saying this only about the morons that post memes of Donald Trump taking Jesus’s place at the Lord’s Table (or media talking heads who say things like “Trump was deeply faithful to all of his wives”), it’s frequently bad on my side of the aisle as well. I’ve muted my fair share of friends that I agree with for posting articles with extreme headlines with no meat to the story, slandering people who disagree with them (many of whom are on their friend list). I argued with c more than I argued with kid or you, because it’s ridiculous to complain about one side exaggerating truths while then doing it yourself.

Things aren’t perfect here, but generally the angriest people are the ones who have fewer reasons to be so, the ones with the most time to be on their phone, learning why they should hate everyone that disagrees with them.

I couldn't agree more.
The move is certainly to form a gross over-simplification of the opposing view, caricature it and then demonize it.
Trump shouldn't be where he is, it is crazy that he got 50% of the primary in Iowa.
The reason he is so popular has very little to do with his supporters and more to do with his opponents.

This strategy that is being repeatedly employed is not working, Trump should be nowhere now but they have turned him from loser to a martyr.
I don't follow this person on Twitter but there have been enormous shit shows by the media in the last 5 years and they have no apologized or corrected the statement on any of them.
The prosecution of Trump after the last election until now has kept him at the front and center of the anti-establishment movement.
If he has broken the law let him rot in jail, but it could back fire badly if they can't get charges to stick prior to the election.
He is 100% writing out pardons for himself and his family the day he is elected.
Probably sign some blank ones for the future too.


Let's remember that Twitter was banning people for positing the Hunter Biden laptop story.
The medial called it Russian disinformation, but it was real.


The Wuhan lab leak was misinformation according to the media
Covid vaccines were safe and effective

Trust has been broken, I don't think the media holding themselves up as the judge of what is true is going to help the Dems this time.
I really don't understand the Dems strategy at this election, do they think Biden beats Trump? I don't think they are going to be able to get the DNC machine to move so quickly when people are struggling.

Biden would do well to understand and address the cause of a lot of this frustration, rather than let Trump ride that wave.
We all know that those old steel towns and manufacturing hubs are not going to come back to life when Trump is in the whitehouse, it is crazy to believe that they will...
But it is also crazy to ignore such a large piece of America and leave them without hope.

Trump got 7.5 percent of the registered republican vote in the Iowa Caucus. That is how few cared to brave the cold to vote for him. Far from a dominant position.

He only got 54% in NH, with Haley coming in at 43% in an open primary. 30% of Haley's voters were republicans who do not want him to run. Biden meanwhile got 59% while not being on the ballot in their wildcat primary. Greater percentage of people came out to write in Biden in a primary that was not part of the nominating process, than voted for Trump in an actual primary.

Dem took the gloves off and are going all in on attacking Trump for being cognitively impaired after the GOP opened that can of worms themselves. Biden also decided that abortion will be front and center for this race while the GOP is prepared to sacrifice the vote of most women thinking they are going to pick it up with young males, particularly young male minorities.

Jan 25, 2024 15:04:01 GMT c said:

Trump got 7.5 percent of the registered republican vote in the Iowa Caucus. That is how few cared to brave the cold to vote for him. Far from a dominant position.

He only got 54% in NH, with Haley coming in at 43% in an open primary. 30% of Haley's voters were republicans who do not want him to run. Biden meanwhile got 59% while not being on the ballot in their wildcat primary. Greater percentage of people came out to write in Biden in a primary that was not part of the nominating process, than voted for Trump in an actual primary.

Dem took the gloves off and are going all in on attacking Trump for being cognitively impaired after the GOP opened that can of worms themselves. Biden also decided that abortion will be front and center for this race while the GOP is prepared to sacrifice the vote of most women thinking they are going to pick it up with young males, particularly young male minorities.

He’s back JR! Come to raise hell in the political threads

Not going to be back as much as I was so don't get hopes up. Talk wrestling and politics elsewhere these days with people who still enjoy wrestling and are not into alt right politics. I had to come back though for Raw going off the air for three months, WWE Network getting cancelled and Vinny's big black dick love after months and months of being told Tony was gonna run AEW into the ground.

Jan 25, 2024 19:32:58 GMT c said:

Not going to be back as much as I was so don't get hopes up. Talk wrestling and politics elsewhere these days with people who still enjoy wrestling and are not into alt right politics. I had to come back though for Raw going off the air for three months, WWE Network getting cancelled and Vinny's big black dick love after months and months of being told Tony was gonna run AEW into the ground.

As long as me & you got a date for Persona 3 Remake, don't care about anything else. Welcome back dude! 

I am so fucking hyped. How many years we been talking about this now? 3 or 4 at least. Gonna be my game likely for the next 6 to 8 weeks as I work towards seeing everything in it. I cannot wait to see the reactions of people seeing the story for the time too, as this game is WAY darker than most games released today. Still remember how utterly shocked I was when Takaya shot Shinjiro. Shit never happens in RPGs. Chidori's story also was something well beyond what you see in most games.

RFK Jr said he was asked to be Trump's VP and turned it down.

He is seeking now to run on the libertarian platform for ballot access. The anti-vax position is good enough these days to get the platform.

His filings show his donors gave more to Trump in the past than they did Biden.

Word is No Labels may be looking to run Haley now with Manchin, instead of the Hogan - Manchin they prior were looking into.

Looking more and more like all these third party groups will hurt Trump by taking away traditional conservative voters at higher rates than they will democratic voters.

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Reports are the Trump war chest is rapidly running out and 12 people represent the majority of incoming donations right now. The warchest is mostly being used now for the increasing legal fees. He will need to bond about 20 million for the Carroll appeal, if anyone will take the risk of a Trump bond and his unpaid bills to Rudy are going to collections now as part of his bankruptcy.

First Democratic primary proper, Biden takes 96.2% of the vote in South Carolina. He got 126k votes. In second place, Williams got about 2700 and Phillips in third got about 2200.

Think the message is clear, democratic primary voters are unified behind Biden.

Palin of the plains Kristi Noem writing a presidential style book to try to lock up the Trump VP.

Trump now currently at odds with the Chamber of Commerce and Border Patrol Union over his support for open borders and weak asylum. Border is the big issue this election and the Senate has a bipartisan plan Biden will sign that only Trump's people in the House oppose. Fox already eating some of them alive on the air for trying to kept the very system they claim the democrat are wanting, and blocking what they claim the GOP wants.

They claim no border deal without remain in Mexico, which Mexico said no to and only agreed to originally because of the pandemic.

I expect this to be the centerpiece topic from the media for the next few months as it was all the GOP had really to fight about that makes them in any way look good.  Dems will likely ramp up the narrative Trump is a loser, sexual predator and criminal as this seems to actually be the best counter messaging they have in laying out who exact Donald Trump is.  

Election is rolling underway and we are seeing how things will be shaping up.

Biden easily is taking his primary with Phillips only securing about 5% of the vote.  Some voters upset about him not ending the Israeli conflict, but in general he is looking in solid shape.  Single issue Palestine voters not offered a better alternative either as no other candidate supports a cease fire at this time.  Biden has a powerful fundraising machine in operation easily out fundraising Trump and a new team finally going on the attack, something you rarely see from democrats.

On the Trump side, Trump is at roughly 60% of the vote, while Haley is at 30%. The deathblow to Haley's campaign occured though earlier this week, when Americans of Prosperity, her larger donor, pulled out of her campaign. Her campaign will fizzle from here on our. Trump is facing a serious problem though, in Haley's voters predominately say they will not vote for him in the general election. Also weaker than expected turnouts to the primaries are showing the Trump enthusiasm may be fading.  Trump speeches are becoming more and more problematic as he called Melania Mercedes, said he support Joe Biden for President for president and increasingly is slurring his speech.  Turnout so low at his talks he has staffers now removing chairs and using the wrestling style arena packing shit to make them look full.  He is moving towards having money issues as the RNC is near bankrupt and his full fundraising is going towards legal bills.  To solves these issues he is looking to take over the RNC putting Lara Trump in charge with a figurehead leader above her.  This happens believed down ticket races will not received any money from the RNC as it funnels to Trump.

For the other candidates, Manchin finally said he will not be running and talk if a bipartisan No Labels ticket is now forming with Hogan as lead. They want Haley but she is saying no. Duckworth who is on the shortlist for Trump's VP also does not appear interested. Bipartisan now means moderate it seems too because no true democrats are being talked about for No Labels. They are expected to confirm a ticket shortly after super tuesday. A lot people distancing so be interesting to see who agrees to tank their political career by joining up. It does not appear they are interested in RFK Jr before people start to dream.

Speaking of our forum's hero RFK Jr, now he is officially running against Trump most news coverage of him ended. Still having trouble getting on ballots and his last hope seems to be being endorsed by Libertarians. If he is not running as a Libertarian he will not likely make general election. Like Ye, he just will not get the signatures needed, and now his right wing cash ended, he seems to lack the cash needed to farm them with door knockers.

From what we seen of polls, No Labels will get the Never Trumpers, and a small slice of moderate dems based on centrality and RFK Jr will get the anti-vax people who support Trump but are against Trump promoting his vaccine. Both groups have only a minor impact on Dems, but could rip away a significant portion of the GOP targeting two discrete minority groups that really do not support MAGA.

Media ignoring it for the past month but Trump showing severe signs of dementia. He is leaning forward, drags a leg when he walks, slurring worse and worse each week and increasingly showing phonemic paraphasias and semantic aphasia. Compare his speech now to his speech 40 years ago and you can see evidence of severe decline.

Some claim the same for Biden, but his stutter was always there, as were his gaffe's which are presumed to be related to the stuttering. Part of the reason he did not get followings is 1988 or 2008 was this stuff. He was up against very smooth talkers and just could not compete.  And frankly, the both have dementia argument is silly when one person brags about how hard he finds his dementia tests.  These tests should be extremely easy for people without dementia, not difficult.

This is the best we can do as a nation ROFL.

Few willing to call out Trump's mental decline. So 50-50 we get a man with advancing dementia that does not listen to advisers in charge. Shit all you want on Biden, he listens to advisors. Media seems to really want to push for a Trump term as it is a goldmine for them with a new scandal every few days. Biden is bland as shit for people covering the presidency since he does not act impulsively or have any real scandals. The entire impeachment probe is blowing up on the GOP to the point of being embarrassing with their star witnesses going to jail and them misunderstanding the evidence they claim to have. The Hunter hearing absolute blow up in their faces.

Looks like Trump is on the verge of sweeping Super Tuesday.

As is Biden. Both expected.

Supreme Court will also will let Trump run, but by putting in writing what almost all dems want, the notion that the presidential election is a federal election, and the federal government should control it.

Mar 6, 2024 2:02:41 GMT CM Punk'd said:

Looks like Trump is on the verge of sweeping Super Tuesday.

He is dominating polls over Biden too. America has woken up.

I still don't see Biden being the nominee by the time the election rolls around, unless nobody on the Dems side thinks they can actually beat Trump.

Biden won all his primaries. Trump did not. Not sure why you think that the candidate the majority of democrats back will not be the one going to the election outside of right wing conspiracy nonsense.  

Sure some dems cooled on Biden, but right now in exit polls about 30-35% of republicans says they will not be voting for Trump in the general election.  Trump has a fara bigger problem right now than Biden.  And that is before you get into his fundraising issues.  Majority of GOP fundraising going to his court fees, and not campaigning.  

Oh, Haley did win Vermont tonight. So not a total sweep.

Mar 6, 2024 4:10:16 GMT c said:

Biden won all his primaries. Trump did not. Not sure why you think that the candidate the majority of democrats back will not be the one going to the election outside of right wing conspiracy nonsense.  

Sure some dems cooled on Biden, but right now in exit polls about 30-35% of republicans says they will not be voting for Trump in the general election.  Trump has a fara bigger problem right now than Biden.  And that is before you get into his fundraising issues.  Majority of GOP fundraising going to his court fees, and not campaigning.  

Oh, and no.  Biden didn't win them all.  He lost in American Samoa tonight.

Just saw that. Clearly that is a sign he will lose the general as where American Samoa goes the nation goes.


Musk going hard on the voting machines of 2024 story, in hard spreading the conspiracy that Biden is flying in millions of illegal migrants to vote in the election. While Fox is not touching this story a lot of other far right places are pushing that migrants are being allowed to freely enter the US if they agree to vote Biden, and Biden plans to by election time bring in tens of millions of migrants spread around every state to rig the election.

So expect another two years of lawsuits if Trump loses and every race to be have people hand verifying if votes are valid. All 200 million votes hand counted and verified...

For people who missed it, Sinema withdrew from her race earlier today as it was clear she had no path to victory. Like Manchin after the shit she pulled, her political career is over.

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Talk tonight is that massive pressure is on No Labels now to lock down Haley to run.  Haley's requirements are to run as a conservative and have a conservative VP.  Should No Labels not run anyone in the next few weeks, donors will start with end support.  Hillary talked Hogan out of running, and Bill talked Manchin out of running.  So Haley now is all they really have for a real candidate.  

Nikki Haley has just announced she is suspending her campaign.

The rematch is now pretty much set in stone.