Pedophiles marrying children must be happening in Gaza because I don’t think its happening in America.

You know who’s not allowed to marry in Gaza? 👀

Who gives a shit? The thread is about a war in the middle east, is it not?

This is a war.

A war in love.

iNCY “if you don’t agree with me, you’re emotional”
Good argument against actual common sense.
Just keep digging to find excuses for why being a bigot is so good for you.

Sept 28, 2024 23:14:41 GMT NATH45 said:

Who gives a shit? The thread is about a war in the middle east, is it not?

It was originally and then people decided to be major idiot bigots about everything else. The fact the war is still happening is disgusting, and people still find excuses to defend Israel as well. It’s a genocide the world was forced to witness while the government played with their dicks

There's delusional viewpoints on both sides of that debate - here, and any where else both these topics are bought up and manage to over-lap.

Sept 29, 2024 5:08:37 GMT sandylea said:

iNCY “if you don’t agree with me, you’re emotional”
Good argument against actual common sense.
Just keep digging to find excuses for why being a bigot is so good for you.

You haven't presented an argument yet, when you do I will let you know.

www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/israel-ground-attack-due-as-soon-as-today/news-story/3494b87e720b2dc29f43bb3798bb091e

" Israeli soldiers enter Lebanon, country in ‘most dangerous phase’ in history "

Iran 'could' be preparing missile strike on Israel.

Yeah it's gonna kick off big time

And so it begins

It's very uncomfortable to watch the US threatening Iran while the US is killing civilians in Lebanon.

It's like a bullies best mate pinning the victoms arms while the bully punches him.

Really bad look... Want another September 11? Because that's how you get a September 11.

That's pretty much the entire US response to anyone firing back at Israel.

Israel does something first, kills a tonne of civilians then when they cop a few receipts back, the US is ready to punish whoever got a little bit of payback.

It's like building a wall around your home, throwing rocks at the neighbours and crying foul when someone throws one back.

Edit : Israel Ambassador out here now demanding IRGC be listed as a terrorist organisation, while talking about Iran enriching uranium and building WMDs and how they must be stopped.

Sound familiar?

If I was a conspiracy theorist I might postulate that Iraq's support for the war in Iraq and numerous other unilateral and illegal actions undertaken by the USA was about weakening the US moral high ground.

It's hard to argue against Israel blowing up an apartment block full of people to kill a Hezbollah leader when the US is happy to blow up a family in a car to kill a suspected terrorist.
It's only a matter of degrees.

Surprised at the lack of posting there is in this thread considering how close we are to a global conflict with a nuclear power

Oct 2, 2024 11:59:44 GMT iNCY said:

If I was a conspiracy theorist I might postulate that Iraq's support for the war in Iraq and numerous other unilateral and illegal actions undertaken by the USA was about weakening the US moral high ground.

It's hard to argue against Israel blowing up an apartment block full of people to kill a Hezbollah leader when the US is happy to blow up a family in a car to kill a suspected terrorist.
It's only a matter of degrees.

Surprised at the lack of posting there is in this thread considering how close we are to a global conflict with a nuclear power

I’m just Ostrich-ing it here and trying to bury my head in the sand. The whole thing is horrible and unjust. I don’t see how we avoid a major war at this point and I don’t know that that hasn’t been the goal all along.

My mom is in an uncomfortable place at work. She wants to support her Jewish co-workers but is finding it increasingly hard to do so. Now her work wants to hold a vigil for the Israeli victims meanwhile Israel is doing its part in continuing the death and destruction knowing the US has its back in all their hypocrisy. It’s an unwinnable war.

Oct 2, 2024 12:50:51 GMT iron maiden said:

Oct 2, 2024 11:59:44 GMT iNCY said:

If I was a conspiracy theorist I might postulate that Iraq's support for the war in Iraq and numerous other unilateral and illegal actions undertaken by the USA was about weakening the US moral high ground.

It's hard to argue against Israel blowing up an apartment block full of people to kill a Hezbollah leader when the US is happy to blow up a family in a car to kill a suspected terrorist.
It's only a matter of degrees.

Surprised at the lack of posting there is in this thread considering how close we are to a global conflict with a nuclear power

I’m just Ostrich-ing it here and trying to bury my head in the sand. The whole thing is horrible and unjust. I don’t see how we avoid a major war at this point and I don’t know that that hasn’t been the goal all along.

My mom is in an uncomfortable place at work. She wants to support her Jewish co-workers but is finding it increasingly hard to do so. Now her work wants to hold a vigil for the Israeli victims meanwhile Israel is doing its part in continuing the death and
destruction knowing the US has its back in all their hypocrisy. It’s an unwinnable war.

What does she do for work? That sounds incredibly strange for a workplace

Oct 2, 2024 11:59:44 GMT iNCY said:

Surprised at the lack of posting there is in this thread considering how close we are to a global conflict with a nuclear power.

Here's the thing, we - or our parent's generation spent over 40 years believing nuclear winter and a Third World War was just around the corner. We went to war 23 years ago having being told our enemies were armed and dangerous on a nuclear level. Up until 3 years ago, Public Enemy Number 1 was a North Korean hermit with a supposed nuclear stockpile and a deathwish and finally the closest thing to a serious threat to Europe ( who again, from someone who supposedly has Nukes ) Russia, has failed to beat a country of potato farmers. How credible is the idea of us entering into a global conflict given the opposition isn't exactly all it been made up to be?

We won't see a global conflict unless some diabolical genius decides to get the leaders from Iran, Russia and China and all of each of these regime's puppet states in a room and tells them to sign a pact that sees every evil fucker in the world aligned against The West and willing to take up arms at the drop of a hat.

But before that, and I think we can all agree, Israel's likely intentions is to provoke every one of it's neighbours into a war hoping in-turn The United States enters into the fight with boots on the ground to carry out what Israel cant do for itself - complete domination of The Middle East.

This scenario likely doesn't go down well given the magnitude of death and destruction already, and it will likely splinter The West. Depending on who is leading the charge from The United States will likely determine who follows and who doesn't. And given the options are Trump and Harris.. God Lord, what a scary scenario..

But again, back to the Axis of Evil 2024 edition. A serious declaration of war from any of these pricks is meaningless unless either one of these two conflicts, Ukraine or The Middle East spills over into our world, because as of right now, these wars are being fought over millennial old crap in shithole countries far removed from the modern contemporary Western World. It doesn't impact us.

If anyone in The Middle East had half the capacity we pretend they do, they wouldn't be continually street-fighting over sand dunes in those hot as fuck hellscapes with cold war era weaponary. Given how evil these fuckers are, given the chance they would have started some seriously bad shit if they had the capacity for it.

So maybe Russia potentially completely wipes out Ukraine and sets it's eyes on Poland for example and attempts to repeat Nazi Germany's invasion in 1939 resulting in The Nato States calling on Article 5 which likely sees the bombing of Russia back to the stone age. Or perhaps they turn the entire Ukrainian countryside into a giant concentration camp and commit every war crime imaginable until The West invades and again, bombs Russia back to the stone age.

The Middle East, nor Russia can't fight the collective West. It's suicide.

But then there's China. Boots on the ground on the other side of the world - that would be the perfect time for China to take Taiwan. Panic alarms should go off then, when China decides it wants to play.

Oct 2, 2024 13:09:36 GMT System said:

Oct 2, 2024 12:50:51 GMT iron maiden said:

I’m just Ostrich-ing it here and trying to bury my head in the sand. The whole thing is horrible and unjust. I don’t see how we avoid a major war at this point and I don’t know that that hasn’t been the goal all along.

My mom is in an uncomfortable place at work. She wants to support her Jewish co-workers but is finding it increasingly hard to do so. Now her work wants to hold a vigil for the Israeli victims meanwhile Israel is doing its part in continuing the death and
destruction knowing the US has its back in all their hypocrisy. It’s an unwinnable war.

What does she do for work? That sounds incredibly strange for a workplace

She works as a Social Worker for a non profit organization called Jewish Family Services (JFS) that helps Seniors. They don't just serve Jewish Seniors so therein lies the rub. You have Jewish workers working alongside people from other cultures and faiths and feel they cannot speak their true thoughts for fear of losing their job or being called an anti-Semite. It might actually cause my mom to retire because she is feeling very conflicted between her clients, her co-workers and supporting something she doesn't agree with. 

Oct 2, 2024 16:24:28 GMT iron maiden said:

Oct 2, 2024 13:09:36 GMT System said:

What does she do for work? That sounds incredibly strange for a workplace

She works as a Social Worker for a non profit organization called Jewish Family Services (JFS) that helps Seniors. They don't just serve Jewish Seniors so therein lies the rub. You have Jewish workers working alongside people from other cultures and faiths and feel they cannot speak their true thoughts for fear of losing their job or being called an anti-Semite. It might actually cause my mom to retire because she is feeling very conflicted between her clients, her co-workers and supporting something she doesn't agree with. 

I’d retire too, that’s messed up.

What I still don't understand is the way people see conflicts as binary, there is always a good guy and a bad guy depending on your ideology.
The left is turning on Israel because they have more power than Palestine and Lebanon therefore they must be wrong.
The establishment just follows the money... Yay Israel!

The nuanced view is that this is a collection of very shitty people and there are no bloodless hands and all that is left to talk about is whether each parties action is proportional to the one before it.

Biden needs to tread carefully at the moment, he is saying things publicly and is being publicly slapped in the face.
He spoke of cease fire and then Israel after helping to draft it, struck Beiruit
He told Iran they better not hit Israel as the US wouldn't accept it and they did
Then today there is the Israel has a right to a proportional response, but not the nuclear facilities.

If Israel hits the nuclear facilities, it makes the US position untenably weak.
There is no point having red lines if you don't respect them yourself.

I mentioned earlier in the thread how Israel was exploiting the US loss of a moral high ground.
It was interesting today to see Israel use the US's own words when they described their enemies as an "Axis of Evil"

Really interesting how many parallels there are between October 9 and September 11.
When the towers fell and the US rolled into Afghanistan even though their enemy was a splinter cell... Everyone said hell yeah around the world.
When the US emerged from that war and their thirst for vengeance wasn't quenched they went into Iraq and the world went WTF... But I guess.

I feel Israel's moves on Lebanon and Iran is hitting the world right in that same WTF spot.
The world is such a crazy place.

Putin's move into Ukraine has close parallels to USA's actions in the Cuban missile crisis too...
Hoezbolah is Iran's NATO

Really wish it was possible for the rest of the world to no sell this conflict and not be dragged into their drama.

That said this is how I feel every time America defends Israel.

www.yahoo.com/news/claims-swirl-around-israeli-strikes-174506699.html

Israel has dropped some bombs mighty close to a Russian airbase in Syria.

Oct 3, 2024 20:05:06 GMT @ness said:

Really wish it was possible for the rest of the world to no sell this conflict and not be dragged into their drama.

That said this is how I feel every time America defends Israel.

It's actually worse than this. If you asked most Americans why Bin Laden did the 911 attacks you will get some version of "they hate our freedom"

The attacks were a direct response to US troops being stationed in Saudi Arabia.
It's why the "War on terror" is such a meme.
The Taliban arose because of the vacuum in leadership caused by a bloody war with Russia.
When you kill a boys Father, you create a martyr to the cause.

It's so crazy.
Imagine if the US paused it's war effort and built schools and hospitals in Palestine.
Give every family access to a TV and broadcast free children's television like Sesame Street and Octonauts translated to Arabic
You could end conflict inside a generation.

There is too much war and power to be gained out of the conflict in the West, so there's no way out of the cycle.

Everyone loves their children, but we ignore the bridges and look for wedges.
Any war should follow with this type of remediation efforts, no poi t pulling out the weeds if you don't plant something good in its place.

Oct 3, 2024 23:16:56 GMT iNCY said:

When you kill a boys Father, you create a mature to the cause.

A Jewish academic was speaking on TV yesterday, making this exact point.

Meanwhile every progressive, left-leaning person and/or Jewish persons are waving the " worst thing to happen to Jews since World War 2 " flag as justification for Israel's ruthless aggression towards it's neighbours. Despite, as per this academic's point, the Israeli's actions are actually making it worse for Jewish people. We've seen a rise in antisemitism since due to seeing nearly 50,000 people dead in less than 12 months and nearly 2 million displaced, on top of constant refusal to accommodate ceasefires and/or limiting aid or support, or top of a general FU to everyone telling them to stop. Winning this war or whatever is it doesn't end it. 

Chris Minns is on TV right now here in Oz talking about the upcoming protests, but again pushing the point of " hate speech " ... if you condemn the actions of Israel, it's " hate speech " that's the message. He makes the point that if any other minority was being demonized like the Jewish people are, we wouldn't stand for it. But to flip his logic, if it were The Arabs bombing Israel into the stone age, we certainly wouldn't stand by and let that happen. It certainly wouldn't be " Oh, that's The Arabs right to defend themselves.. "  as we quietly watch as they kill 50,000 people. 

There is no answer to any of this. Every cause and effect has a cause and effect. And that's how it's been for the better half of a century and that's how it's always going to be. 

Oct 4, 2024 0:06:22 GMT NATH45 said:

Oct 3, 2024 23:16:56 GMT iNCY said:

When you kill a boys Father, you create a mature to the cause.

A Jewish academic was speaking on TV yesterday, making this exact point.

Meanwhile every progressive, left-leaning person and/or Jewish persons are waving the " worst thing to happen to Jews since World War 2 " flag as justification for Israel's ruthless aggression towards it's neighbours. Despite, as per this academic's point, the Israeli's actions are actually making it worse for Jewish people. We've seen a rise in antisemitism since due to seeing nearly 50,000 people dead in less than 12 months and nearly 2 million displaced, on top of constant refusal to accommodate ceasefires and/or limiting aid or support, or top of a general FU to everyone telling them to stop. Winning this war or whatever is it doesn't end it. 

Chris Minns is on TV right now here in Oz talking about the upcoming protests, but again pushing the point of " hate speech " ... if you condemn the actions of Israel, it's " hate speech " that's the message. He makes the point that if any other minority was being demonized like the Jewish people are, we wouldn't stand for it. But to flip his logic, if it were The Arabs bombing Israel into the stone age, we certainly wouldn't stand by and let that happen. It certainly wouldn't be " Oh, that's The Arabs right to defend themselves.. "  as we quietly watch as they kill 50,000 people. 

There is no answer to any of this. Every cause and effect has a cause and effect. And that's how it's been for the better half of a century and that's how it's always going to be. 

Sorry for my typo it got autocorrected to the wrong word on my phone, I have fixes the original post.

I believe in people's right to protest, but holding the Rally on October 7th could easily be argues to be hate speech, that is the date of the Hamas attack not the Israeli response.
On the radio this morning they had a Jewish spokesperson on the radio and he was saying how October 7th was the greatest loss of Jewish life since the Holocaust.
It makes me uncomfortable how they switch between Jewish and Israel.

It also seems there has been a concerted effort to highlight the Holocaust in the Western consciousness.
There is a lot of guilt attributed to the West for allowing it to happen...
What is strange is the way the Holocaust has been elevated above the atrocities of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot or a whole other range of terrible people.
Not screaming conspiracy, just the power of money to preserve one interest over another.

www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/israeliranhezbollah-conflict-updates/news-story/585c9ac0fa655ff3db09f5d641610111

The US exercising its right to defend itself.

I'm surprised people are quiet in this thread today. Oct 7th marks a year this conflict started and if anything it's gotten worse, more divisive with no end in sight. 

Demonstrations were help over the weekend and I heard all schools were on high alert today. Be interesting to see the news tonight.

Oct 7, 2024 20:24:24 GMT iron maiden said:

I'm surprised people are quiet in this thread today. Oct 7th marks a year this conflict started and if anything it's gotten worse, more divisive with no end in sight. 

Demonstrations were help over the weekend and I heard all schools were on high alert today. Be interesting to see the news tonight.

You're right. Pretty volatile sort of atmosphere here politically.

There's protests around the country, given there is a high Ethnic/Muslim population in Australia, and given this isn't chapter one in this long running conflict, you can imagine some of the rhetoric especially from some Muslim leaders - social cohesion is a dirty word apparently. To be fair, here in Australia a lot of Muslims live in their own isolated version of Australia with little care for or respect for the greater community or western values... some, not all. So, again you can imagine some of the tribalism and rhetoric.

I'm just uploading now..

I did find it odd, in a weird way of course.. it's hard to explain seeing the same two white, blonde women here on New Media talking about being discriminated against. I swear if they didn't tell you they were Jewish, you would have thought both were as dinky-di Aussie as it gets. I doubt anyone has ever looked at either sideways in the street or the supermarket, I'd imagine both have walked around like Vegans telling everyone who and what they are since October.

One was talking in a very aggressive matter-a-fact way about the terror attack last week in Jaffa, and how terrible is was.. and it is, but of course ignoring Israel rigging walkie talkies and killing 30 and injuring 2,800 a week before.... hmm.

However..

Those savages that committed those attacks on October 7th deserve to be hung up and beaten, stripped of all their dignity and burnt alive - there's no defending these animals or anyone that helped or aided in committing those crimes. There's no justification for that sort of terror.

But on the flipside and what isn't being made is a distinction between The Jewish People and the actions of The Israeli Government - these are two different things. And what the Israeli Government is doing in response is borderline insane. They've repeatedly ignored ceasefires, dropped bombs indiscriminately and all in all, look to be wanting to start a World War at the expense of killing everyone who looks at them cock-eyed. I'm pretty sure the civilian population doesn’t want war, despite Bibi's hunger for it.

There is no answer - If Israel does nothing in response to October 7th, they likely open themselves up to more attacks. But the attack was a response to decades of conflict, oppression and the systematic destruction of a population. But by acting and responding it likely results in more extremism. So, what's the answer? Just fight to the end, burn it all down, last man standing?

Oct 7, 2024 20:24:24 GMT iron maiden said:

Oct 7th marks a year this conflict started

I was surprised, it seems like only a few months ago.

Maybe it's because it didn't affect me directly, but gun to my head I couldn't have told you the significance of the date if put on the spot.