You have to admit KJ a lot of what you said in that fantastic post, is very much part of centre-right belief. Regardless of ideology, it's logical. And that's what matters most. And that is at the core of most conservative voices and opinion - logic. And that is what is lacking in most Left Wing voices.

The Left will convince you we're all fascists and ready to take up arms and round up minorities, but that's not at all the reality. Most just want logic and reasoning behind the decisions made and never seem to get it from The Left without someone screaming " fascist! " and throwing a tantrum.

Nov 6, 2024 18:01:15 GMT Baker said:

We are so (going) back!!!

Call me Maxx Payne, baby, because I am living in the State of Euphoria. Going on about 20 minutes of sleep and I've never had more energy in my life as I sit here wearing my MAGA shirt, hat, and what is surely a big stupid grin on my face. No exaggeration when I say this is one of the greatest days of my life. Been waiting 4 years for this and working at it a few days a week for the past 4 months as a volunteer in neighboring deep red Pennsylvania!!! Hell yeah! Felt like I had to do SOMETHING after they shot the Once and Future President. Trump, or more accurately the lunatic left's unhinged 8 year response to a moderate reformer firmly in line with many an historical American president, transformed from a relatively apolitical swing voter who barely paid attention to politics into what stands before you today. I just mostly kept it quiet until now because I only came here to talk wrestling. So, today, on this, the greatest of days, I spam...

The Donald has long been the most handsome pensmith of our time. Truly the Shakespeare of the tweet. But now I feel safe in calling him...

The greatest...



To ever...



do it.

There will never be another one like him. What a time to be alive. This is the good timeline. Cherish it. 

MAGA

SHOCKING HEEL TURN

i'll still tag you when double j makes appearances on aew tho. nothing but love <3

Nov 7, 2024 4:40:32 GMT iron maiden said:

Nov 6, 2024 23:57:25 GMT NATH45 said:

That's rubbish.

The American People stomped a mudhole in Left Wing politics and walked it dry because it's been very evident over the last 15 years, The Left Wing could care less about the greater good.

It's why The American people voted the way it did, it's why Australians voted the way they did in September of last year, and why we will vote that way next year.

Tell us why, Conservatives talk about moving forward as one, yet The Left talks continually about what divides us - projecting oppression and blame and victimhood?

Tell us why, The Left continues to actively attempt to tear down the very foundations and traditions that makes countries like The United States and Australia so great?

Tell us why, The Left tears down industry and enterprise? While Conservatives talk about creating industry and jobs?

Tell us why, The Left's economic plan is little more than tax us all into a further cost of living crisis?

Tell us why, The Left has enabled a mental health crisis that has resulted in a big part of this new generation living in fantasy land?

Tell us why, The United States is in such poor shape and none of you are better off despite the fact outside of 4 years, The Left has been in power since 2008?

Tell us why, Left Wing Politics continues to push agendas like misinformation bills and censorship of contrasting or opposing viewpoints?

It's difficult to argue The Left care about society when they're doing everything to hurt it.

If you think that's all hyperbole and bullshit, the evidence was in yesterday's result.

First of all, I'm in Canada, and your hyperbole is also a generalization because both sides divide and spread misinformation. Also, apparently you missed the part where I said the Democrats (and our NDP here) both need to regroup and find out why they are failing. I can tell you why they are here and it comes down to terrible plans of action to NO plans of action. 

I probably know better than you all what it's like to live somewhere in which we had the Extreme Right (like even normal Conservative voters don't support them) take over from the Left to overwhelming support which has decimated our Province and cities in the past 5 years. Our social programs have been cut, rights are being taken away, our education system is being decimated, Health Care system is broken and we watch as everything gets privatized and it slips further and further from our control. We are failing our most vulnerable citizens: children, youth, unhoused and seniors. Individualism is being served up over collectivism in the name of 'freedom' when most of these people have never not known freedom a day in their life. Xenophobia is pushed and rampantly taking over and it's bleeding into other parts of Canada. Basically we are becoming America. I should note that where I live the Right has been in charge for the past 40-50 years except for 4 years about 5 years ago that they are still blaming all their issues on and we are in worse shape than we've ever been, unless you are a big business or upper class. So tell me O Wise One how is wanting better for myself, my family and our society 'rubbish'? 

RT has lived all over Canada so he can probably provide a more holistic view on this. I also said my ideologies tend to lean left, but I'm probably more of a centrist though still considered a Commie by American standards. 

Thanks for failing to answer any of those questions.

It's all well and good to want better for yourself, your family and your community - but The Left Wing ain't going to give it to you. And if you think they will, maybe you need to visit a real Left Wing society that's been left unchecked to experience what a modern day dictatorship and authoritative regime actually feels like? I hear flights to China, North Korea and Venezuela are cheap.

Nov 7, 2024 4:50:00 GMT NATH45 said:

You have to admit KJ a lot of what you said in that fantastic post, is very much part of centre-right belief. Regardless of ideology, it's logical. And that's what matters most. And that is at the core of most conservative voices and opinion - logic. And that is what is lacking in most Left Wing voices.

The Left will convince you we're all fascists and ready to take up arms and round up minorities, but that's not at all the reality. Most just want logic and reasoning behind the decisions made and never seem to get it from The Left without someone screaming " fascist! " and throwing a tantrum.

Trans movement and immigration are center when you take a pulse of the country; the left is off the reservation supporting. Where I do steer right on, and that doesn't mean I actually believe the Trump administration will handle appropriately (I don't), is the elimination of DEI and allowing men to be treated as an equal part of society. I will fully acknowledge those are conservative viewpoints. Conservative =/= MAGA, just as liberal =/= Democrat.

Economic and education (the other two political issues I brought up) are fully different approaches than MAGA. Trump's education plan is atrocious, and his approach to the economy is going to exacerbate where we are (don't trust me -- trust the fucking Nobel laureate economists).

Abortion is something I believe should be protected. My point was running on it is a loser. That's just a sad reality; not an endorsement of where we are (or where I believe we're headed).

The rest (targeting young voters, better media campaign) are tactics, not platforms. The Trump campaign's media plan was brilliant. None of that is support for MAGA; it's an acknowledgement of what they did well from a strategy point.

I don't even think being anti-DEI is rightist. Kim Holmes wrote a book, The Closing of The Liberal Mind, which is just a long exegesis of progressivism vs. "classical liberalism". I think the left, in the main, has become so progressive that it's being forgotten that equality of opportunity is a standpoint shared by both liberals and conservatives; it's progressives specifically that embrace racism and sexism in the name of making results more equal.

Nov 7, 2024 5:33:00 GMT sting said:

I don't even think being anti-DEI is rightist. Kim Holmes wrote a book, The Closing of The Liberal Mind, which is just a long exegesis of progressivism vs. "classical liberalism". I think the left, in the main, has become so progressive that it's being forgotten that equality of opportunity is a standpoint shared by both liberals and conservatives; it's progressives specifically that embrace racism and sexism in the name of making results more equal.

Maybe. I'm okay to with wherever it falls, because it makes no impact on my viewpoint.

For sure. Where it is on the political compass, as JR would say on a pinfall that is definitely going to be a three, "is academic". 😂

Looking ahead ...

I think the Dem nominee will come down to Newsom and Shapiro. I think Shapiro will struggle getting the nod as a Jew, and Newsom will struggle because California candidates often fail nationally.

I learned just this week that Buttigieg has relocated to Michigan from Indiana. I think his path is a Governor, likely taking the Democratic candidate to replace Gov. Whitmer after her current (second) term.

On the Republican side, Vance has the obvious lead. I read today that since 1933, only four VPs have ascended to President. That stat shocked me. Beyond him, Rubio is the most likely. I actually think he has the best chance to earn the nomination. Vance is a snake oil salesman.

It’s hilarious to me that in the follow-up to the election, the right thinks Harris was anti-Israel, while the left think she was anti-Palestine.

Just a complete inability to articulate your position.

also, a legit, good faith question to KING KID ,tan , Baker and whichever Trump supporters would like to answer

After all this time, I still do not have a good sense of what an America Made Great Again looks like.

I hear what they don't want, but I'm ignorant as of what they do. (to be perfectly fair this, as far as these boards, is probably because c , God love him, helpfully jumps in and strawmans the shit out of things before I can get a real answer. And IRL the ppl I think may be Trump supporters stop talking about politics reeeeeallll quick once they find out I'm not conservative, likely because I assume they think I'll be all judgey and preachy, which considering the area I live in is an understandable concern -- but doesn't help me at all)

It's easy to be the Party of No when you're in the minority party. Whatever it is the party in power wants, just be against it. No renewable energy, no restorative justice, no lend-lease with Ukraine. But when you're in charge, at some point you have to move away from being the Party of No to the Party of Yes, and what is the Party saying Yes to?

--------------------------------------------

Trump ran away with the Electoral College. He killed it in the popular vote. He has the Senate, looks likely to have the House, and the Supreme Court has a 6-3 majority.

He can rubber stamp anything he wants. No one will stand in his way.

With SMART (Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Relevant, and Time-bound) goals in mind, what metrics would hit for you? $2 a gallon gas? IRS abolished? Active military ramped up to x active members? Motorcycle lane splitting federally legalized?

To emphasize once again, MAGA will have all three branches of the government (House pending). The Trump agenda will be whatever he wants it to be. On day 1, he can pursue anything from 'pursue nuclear power' to 'find something to throw Biden in jail over' to 'raise funds for a new Voyager 1 probe.' Tax cuts for all. Tax cuts for the rich only and it'll trickle down. Protect national parks. Open up national parks to drilling.  A N Y T H I N G he wants.

What measurable Yes things are you looking for out of a Trump Presidency? What specific, measurable things will have you say 'yes, that was a sign of a successful term' and if he doesn't hit those marks with his super-mandate would you be disappointed?

Nov 7, 2024 5:05:00 GMT KJ said:

Nov 7, 2024 4:50:00 GMT NATH45 said:

You have to admit KJ a lot of what you said in that fantastic post, is very much part of centre-right belief. Regardless of ideology, it's logical. And that's what matters most. And that is at the core of most conservative voices and opinion - logic. And that is what is lacking in most Left Wing voices.

The Left will convince you we're all fascists and ready to take up arms and round up minorities, but that's not at all the reality. Most just want logic and reasoning behind the decisions made and never seem to get it from The Left without someone screaming " fascist! " and throwing a tantrum.

Trans movement and immigration are center when you take a pulse of the country; the left is off the reservation supporting. Where I do steer right on, and that doesn't mean I actually believe the Trump administration will handle appropriately (I don't), is the elimination of DEI and allowing men to be treated as an equal part of society. I will fully acknowledge those are conservative viewpoints. Conservative =/= MAGA, just as liberal =/= Democrat.

Economic and education (the other two political issues I brought up) are fully different approaches than MAGA. Trump's education plan is atrocious, and his approach to the economy is going to exacerbate where we are (don't trust me -- trust the fucking Nobel laureate economists).

Abortion is something I believe should be protected. My point was running on it is a loser. That's just a sad reality; not an endorsement of where we are (or where I believe we're headed).

The rest (targeting young voters, better media campaign) are tactics, not platforms. The Trump campaign's media plan was brilliant. None of that is support for MAGA; it's an acknowledgement of what they did well from a strategy point.

Absolutely agreed.

States that said yes to abortion but no to Harris: AZ, MO, MT, NE, NV. So clearly an issue, but not the top one. Especially when there's a path for someone (in many states) to have their cake and eat it too

Nov 7, 2024 6:28:57 GMT Michinokudriver said:

also, a legit, good faith question to KING KID ,tan , Baker and whichever Trump supporters would like to answer

After all this time, I still do not have a good sense of what an America Made Great Again looks like.

I hear what they don't want, but I'm ignorant as of what they do. (to be perfectly fair this, as far as these boards, is probably because c , God love him, helpfully jumps in and strawmans the shit out of things before I can get a real answer. And IRL the ppl I think may be Trump supporters stop talking about politics reeeeeallll quick once they find out I'm not conservative, likely because I assume they think I'll be all judgey and preachy, which considering the area I live in is an understandable concern -- but doesn't help me at all)

It's easy to be the Party of No when you're in the minority party. Whatever it is the party in power wants, just be against it. No renewable energy, no restorative justice, no lend-lease with Ukraine. But when you're in charge, at some point you have to move away from being the Party of No to the Party of Yes, and what is the Party saying Yes to?

--------------------------------------------

Trump ran away with the Electoral College. He killed it in the popular vote. He has the Senate, looks likely to have the House, and the Supreme Court has a 6-3 majority.

He can rubber stamp anything he wants. No one will stand in his way.

With SMART (Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Relevant, and Time-bound) goals in mind, what metrics would hit for you? $2 a gallon gas? IRS abolished? Active military ramped up to x active members? Motorcycle lane splitting federally legalized?

To emphasize once again, MAGA will have all three branches of the government (House pending). The Trump agenda will be whatever he wants it to be. On day 1, he can pursue anything from 'pursue nuclear power' to 'find something to throw Biden in jail over' to 'raise funds for a new Voyager 1 probe.' Tax cuts for all. Tax cuts for the rich only and it'll trickle down. Protect national parks. Open up national parks to drilling.  A N Y T H I N G he wants.

What measurable Yes things are you looking for out of a Trump Presidency? What specific, measurable things will have you say 'yes, that was a sign of a successful term' and if he doesn't hit those marks with his super-mandate would you be disappointed?

Asked the same question in July. Answer I got was:

First and foremost, not have war period but especially not on our soil.

I would also like him to send back majority of the illegal immigrants that were just allowed to invade. If there’s no effort into that, then I would be very disappointed.

I would like the billions that are being sent to Ukraine to be invested back into this country so I don’t have to continue getting BJs on my exclusive OnlyFans pages just to afford a food shop every week.

I already went over the plan. Trump will do one term and then the dynasty begins. Vance 2028-2036, Trump Jr 2036-2044, Barron 2044-2052. A nice little 28 year dynasty.

www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/what-everyone-missed-about-trump-voters-in-the-2024-us-presidential-election/news-story/0b0be7ec94e1d78b6eee3f9b2841f08b

Interesting reporting that covers a lot of the talking points here.

1/4 of this thread: Some of the most well-articulated points I've ever read.

The other 75%: Vibes.

Nov 7, 2024 2:04:21 GMT KJ said:

Nov 7, 2024 0:23:04 GMT KING KID said:

KJ ,

What do you with the Democratic Party now? Surely a red tsunami has to give them the idea that it’s time to reset. How do you reset though with the loudest people in the party being race baiters like Hakeem Jeffries, AOC and Talib.

How do you get past their noise and allegiance to hating Jewish people and try and get Shapiro in? I’d be far less surprised if he switched to Republican than being selected as the next man up for the Democrats.

If they’re really going for the “get younger” role, who?

I just don’t see a near future where the Democrats win back the voters they lost UNLESS Trump fucks up exponentially in these next four years which is highly unlikely with the people he has by his side. Mainly former democrats like Musk, RFK and Tulsi. Say what you want, but I think sooner or later Bezos is going to join Trumps side and it wouldn’t surprise me if Zuckerberg does as well after being co main event vs Elon Musk on a Jake Paul card. Sounds crazy, but very possible.

Honestly? I don't know what the Democratic Party will do. I've spent the entire day arguing with every liberal friend I have that anger needs to be directed at the Dems and not at the people that voted for Trump.

I'm reminded of my favorite quote from "The Newsroom":



I've said it multiple times here, but the Dems failure to build a bench after Obama is an absolute travesty. It wasn't a really primary in 2016 -- they stacked the deck for Hillary. Biden was the only choice within the party would support in 2020. And they literally installed Kamala, despite the fact she was a) the most unpopular VP in a long time and b) absolutely failed as a primary candidate in 2019-20. They basically told the entire country "hey, we'll keep the course."

The Dems used to be the party of change. Trump's GOP is now the party of change. I may not like all the change he represents, but I think for the people that have ping-ponged from Obama to Trump to Biden to Trump (again), they want something that will shift in America that has gone off the rails.

Do I think he'll fail? Well, no one that lives here should root for it. Trump's failure is our failure. I still hold what I feel are very serious concerns he'll erode the fabric of democracy from the inside, and nothing anyone can say will make me feel better. I'll only feel better at the end of his term if everything is still in-place.

Now ... what would I do if I had control of the DNC and could re-write their focus heading into 2028?

• Stop Supporting Losing Initiatives. Specifically, stop trying to make people believe things like "trans athletes should compete in women's sports" or vilifying men/whites. None of these are going to win you an election -- you'll only lose because of them -- and most of the time (particular the trans issue), they're just flat-out fucking crazy. The Dems love to build monoliths and absolutes vs. bringing any sense of nuance to the world.
• Stop Illegal Immigration. Stand against illegal immigration, while making the process of legal immigration less bureaucratic and cumbersome. This is why "America First" messaging works so well for MAGA.
• Speaking of the Trans Issue ... Let's leave the fucking drag queens out of libraries and schools. Please? And maybe put a ban on allowing children at Pride? Call your friends in the media and stop wedging the trans agenda into pre-school programs? Just stop. You're literally letting mental illness dictate - and control - how people think and behave.
• Let DEI Fucking DIE. It doesn't work. It eliminates meritocracy. Women are paid $0.99 on the dollar to men when it's actually normalized vs. the total income. Yeah, a real travesty we should build entire campaigns on. Let private entities - through charities, scholarship grants, etc. - focus on lifting up minorities when they need it.
• Make Education a Central Priority ... With a Catch. Do I think "Critical Race Theory" was an overblown boogeyman by the right? Absolutely. But CRT isn't needed as an overlay to the entirety of the education system and how we approach conversations; it should be an elective course students can participate in at the highest-levels of education of High School. That said, Sam Seaborn ("The West Wing") said it best: "Education is everything. We don't need little changes, we need gigantic, monumental changes. Schools should be palaces. The competition for the best teachers should be fierce." That should be our commitment as a party. 
• Move On from Abortion. If this was a needle-mover of an issue, we would've won. Running a campaign on "women's reproductive rights" that is "for our daughters and wives *sobs uncontrollably*" in 2028 will just continue the trend.
• Get a New Media Strategy. Trump campaign was everywhere. Trump, to his credit, sat down for long podcasts with trendy personalities. But the GOP also had a targeted campaign of direct mail. The Dems have been re-running the same digital media playbook that got Obama elected in 2008. It was groundbreaking then; now anyone with a Facebook account can buy digital ads. Evolve or die.
• (Try to) Work with Trump. For the first time since W., it would be amazing to see the two parties actually try and help America together. Now, that doesn't mean blindly support everything he does. But if you come to the table trying to work today, something good might just happen. I have little confidence this will happen (for either side), as I fully expect the right to do everything they can to ram their agenda through. They won; that's the fruits of their labor.
• Win with the Working Class Again. I fully believe the Dems economic platforms are better for the working class (and Trump's are going to actually fuck this country), but if we don't find a way to articulate the impact beyond how it benefits minorities, we're going to continue losing. Which leads to my final point ...
• Speak to Young Male Voters. I'll copy/paste a text I sent my friend today on why the Dems lost the Gen Z male voters. He vehemently disagreed, and I think it's foolish and narrow-minded to not see that Trump was actively engaging and reaching out them.

The left - the base, not the party - are incredibly quick to point out male privilege to *anything*. Anything that is masculine in nature - including behavior in school - is “toxic.”

It’s a genuine issue where the entire structure of society is moving away from male behavior and development, and yeah … it leads to “less than” men.

It’s not just neurodivergent. Boys develop through physical confrontation. Playing, wrestling, roughhousing, and yeah, sometimes fighting, are critical. That’s a true example of “boys will be boys” that has been criminalized (literally cops involved) with kids in elementary school. It stunts development, and I think it’s a huge drive (not the LONE driver) in why they have no friends or social skills. They’re forced into a cocoon and feminized (in that female behavior - quiet, calm, etc) is considered the norm from a young age.
here

Note: I referenced my autistic son in an earlier text, hence the reference to "neurodivergent" ... I was referencing that he and my older son have been "corrected" multiple times for rough housing at recess. Literally just two boys -- and their friends -- wrestling around, laughing the entire time.

Unfortunately, I don't think any of this will happen ... even though almost every single one of these issues could be an Obama stump speech 12 years ago.

I believe in liberal principles. But the Democrats have lost touch with what those are, and they've taken "progressive" to a point that anything society deems unacceptable means it's marginalized ... and therefore needs saving. Fuck that. Some things should be unacceptable and they deserve to be marginalized.

KJ absolutely nailed it.

Guy wearing a Trump 2024 shirt at the shopping centre earlier, what a legend.

Nov 7, 2024 7:17:42 GMT KJ said:

Nov 7, 2024 6:28:57 GMT Michinokudriver said:

also, a legit, good faith question to KING KID ,tan , Baker and whichever Trump supporters would like to answer

After all this time, I still do not have a good sense of what an America Made Great Again looks like.

I hear what they don't want, but I'm ignorant as of what they do. (to be perfectly fair this, as far as these boards, is probably because c , God love him, helpfully jumps in and strawmans the shit out of things before I can get a real answer. And IRL the ppl I think may be Trump supporters stop talking about politics reeeeeallll quick once they find out I'm not conservative, likely because I assume they think I'll be all judgey and preachy, which considering the area I live in is an understandable concern -- but doesn't help me at all)

It's easy to be the Party of No when you're in the minority party. Whatever it is the party in power wants, just be against it. No renewable energy, no restorative justice, no lend-lease with Ukraine. But when you're in charge, at some point you have to move away from being the Party of No to the Party of Yes, and what is the Party saying Yes to?

--------------------------------------------

Trump ran away with the Electoral College. He killed it in the popular vote. He has the Senate, looks likely to have the House, and the Supreme Court has a 6-3 majority.

He can rubber stamp anything he wants. No one will stand in his way.

With SMART (Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Relevant, and Time-bound) goals in mind, what metrics would hit for you? $2 a gallon gas? IRS abolished? Active military ramped up to x active members? Motorcycle lane splitting federally legalized?

To emphasize once again, MAGA will have all three branches of the government (House pending). The Trump agenda will be whatever he wants it to be. On day 1, he can pursue anything from 'pursue nuclear power' to 'find something to throw Biden in jail over' to 'raise funds for a new Voyager 1 probe.' Tax cuts for all. Tax cuts for the rich only and it'll trickle down. Protect national parks. Open up national parks to drilling.  A N Y T H I N G he wants.

What measurable Yes things are you looking for out of a Trump Presidency? What specific, measurable things will have you say 'yes, that was a sign of a successful term' and if he doesn't hit those marks with his super-mandate would you be disappointed?

Asked the same question in July. Answer I got was:

First and foremost, not have war period but especially not on our soil.

I would also like him to send back majority of the illegal immigrants that were just allowed to invade. If there’s no effort into that, then I would be very disappointed.

I would like the billions that are being sent to Ukraine to be invested back into this country so I don’t have to continue getting BJs on my exclusive OnlyFans pages just to afford a food shop every week.

I already went over the plan. Trump will do one term and then the dynasty begins. Vance 2028-2036, Trump Jr 2036-2044, Barron 2044-2052. A nice little 28 year dynasty.

MAGA! ✅ 

Nailed it. 

You might need some illegal immigration with all these celebrities leaving.

www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/stars-pledge-to-quit-us-over-trump/news-story/d4a37c1f60473afc7a8fc471cd45f5b8

The man who used to employ semi-naked women to bounce on trampolines holds back tears... yeah, right. You can't make this stuff up.

www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/liberal-latenight-show-hosts-kimmel-colbert-and-more-dramatically-melt-down-over-trumps-election-victory-a-terrible-night/news-story/51a59e30ca5de32d5d2864de6fe64d14

With Trump winning the Hispanic male vote, he was right about one thing.

The White Dudes for Harris girlfriends lovers did in fact vote for Donald Trump.

Nov 7, 2024 2:04:21 GMT KJ said:

Nov 7, 2024 0:23:04 GMT KING KID said:

KJ ,

What do you with the Democratic Party now? Surely a red tsunami has to give them the idea that it’s time to reset. How do you reset though with the loudest people in the party being race baiters like Hakeem Jeffries, AOC and Talib.

How do you get past their noise and allegiance to hating Jewish people and try and get Shapiro in? I’d be far less surprised if he switched to Republican than being selected as the next man up for the Democrats.

If they’re really going for the “get younger” role, who?

I just don’t see a near future where the Democrats win back the voters they lost UNLESS Trump fucks up exponentially in these next four years which is highly unlikely with the people he has by his side. Mainly former democrats like Musk, RFK and Tulsi. Say what you want, but I think sooner or later Bezos is going to join Trumps side and it wouldn’t surprise me if Zuckerberg does as well after being co main event vs Elon Musk on a Jake Paul card. Sounds crazy, but very possible.

Honestly? I don't know what the Democratic Party will do. I've spent the entire day arguing with every liberal friend I have that anger needs to be directed at the Dems and not at the people that voted for Trump.

I'm reminded of my favorite quote from "The Newsroom":



I've said it multiple times here, but the Dems failure to build a bench after Obama is an absolute travesty. It wasn't a really primary in 2016 -- they stacked the deck for Hillary. Biden was the only choice within the party would support in 2020. And they literally installed Kamala, despite the fact she was a) the most unpopular VP in a long time and b) absolutely failed as a primary candidate in 2019-20. They basically told the entire country "hey, we'll keep the course."

The Dems used to be the party of change. Trump's GOP is now the party of change. I may not like all the change he represents, but I think for the people that have ping-ponged from Obama to Trump to Biden to Trump (again), they want something that will shift in America that has gone off the rails.

Do I think he'll fail? Well, no one that lives here should root for it. Trump's failure is our failure. I still hold what I feel are very serious concerns he'll erode the fabric of democracy from the inside, and nothing anyone can say will make me feel better. I'll only feel better at the end of his term if everything is still in-place.

Now ... what would I do if I had control of the DNC and could re-write their focus heading into 2028?

• Stop Supporting Losing Initiatives. Specifically, stop trying to make people believe things like "trans athletes should compete in women's sports" or vilifying men/whites. None of these are going to win you an election -- you'll only lose because of them -- and most of the time (particular the trans issue), they're just flat-out fucking crazy. The Dems love to build monoliths and absolutes vs. bringing any sense of nuance to the world.
• Stop Illegal Immigration. Stand against illegal immigration, while making the process of legal immigration less bureaucratic and cumbersome. This is why "America First" messaging works so well for MAGA.
• Speaking of the Trans Issue ... Let's leave the fucking drag queens out of libraries and schools. Please? And maybe put a ban on allowing children at Pride? Call your friends in the media and stop wedging the trans agenda into pre-school programs? Just stop. You're literally letting mental illness dictate - and control - how people think and behave.
• Let DEI Fucking DIE. It doesn't work. It eliminates meritocracy. Women are paid $0.99 on the dollar to men when it's actually normalized vs. the total income. Yeah, a real travesty we should build entire campaigns on. Let private entities - through charities, scholarship grants, etc. - focus on lifting up minorities when they need it.
• Make Education a Central Priority ... With a Catch. Do I think "Critical Race Theory" was an overblown boogeyman by the right? Absolutely. But CRT isn't needed as an overlay to the entirety of the education system and how we approach conversations; it should be an elective course students can participate in at the highest-levels of education of High School. That said, Sam Seaborn ("The West Wing") said it best: "Education is everything. We don't need little changes, we need gigantic, monumental changes. Schools should be palaces. The competition for the best teachers should be fierce." That should be our commitment as a party. 
• Move On from Abortion. If this was a needle-mover of an issue, we would've won. Running a campaign on "women's reproductive rights" that is "for our daughters and wives *sobs uncontrollably*" in 2028 will just continue the trend.
• Get a New Media Strategy. Trump campaign was everywhere. Trump, to his credit, sat down for long podcasts with trendy personalities. But the GOP also had a targeted campaign of direct mail. The Dems have been re-running the same digital media playbook that got Obama elected in 2008. It was groundbreaking then; now anyone with a Facebook account can buy digital ads. Evolve or die.
• (Try to) Work with Trump. For the first time since W., it would be amazing to see the two parties actually try and help America together. Now, that doesn't mean blindly support everything he does. But if you come to the table trying to work today, something good might just happen. I have little confidence this will happen (for either side), as I fully expect the right to do everything they can to ram their agenda through. They won; that's the fruits of their labor.
• Win with the Working Class Again. I fully believe the Dems economic platforms are better for the working class (and Trump's are going to actually fuck this country), but if we don't find a way to articulate the impact beyond how it benefits minorities, we're going to continue losing. Which leads to my final point ...
• Speak to Young Male Voters. I'll copy/paste a text I sent my friend today on why the Dems lost the Gen Z male voters. He vehemently disagreed, and I think it's foolish and narrow-minded to not see that Trump was actively engaging and reaching out them.

The left - the base, not the party - are incredibly quick to point out male privilege to *anything*. Anything that is masculine in nature - including behavior in school - is “toxic.”

It’s a genuine issue where the entire structure of society is moving away from male behavior and development, and yeah … it leads to “less than” men.

It’s not just neurodivergent. Boys develop through physical confrontation. Playing, wrestling, roughhousing, and yeah, sometimes fighting, are critical. That’s a true example of “boys will be boys” that has been criminalized (literally cops involved) with kids in elementary school. It stunts development, and I think it’s a huge drive (not the LONE driver) in why they have no friends or social skills. They’re forced into a cocoon and feminized (in that female behavior - quiet, calm, etc) is considered the norm from a young age.
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Note: I referenced my autistic son in an earlier text, hence the reference to "neurodivergent" ... I was referencing that he and my older son have been "corrected" multiple times for rough housing at recess. Literally just two boys -- and their friends -- wrestling around, laughing the entire time.

Unfortunately, I don't think any of this will happen ... even though almost every single one of these issues could be an Obama stump speech 12 years ago.

I believe in liberal principles. But the Democrats have lost touch with what those are, and they've taken "progressive" to a point that anything society deems unacceptable means it's marginalized ... and therefore needs saving. Fuck that. Some things should be unacceptable and they deserve to be marginalized.

iron maiden, you asked me a question about my views and KJ goes a long way to answering it here.
The issue with the progressive left is the need for destruction.
I 1000% believe in equality, fairness, social justice and equality, I am all for all of these things.

If we want to make sure that we extend the same opportunities to everyone, so that regardless of your sex, economic status, race, religion or whatever... you have the same opportunity, I will shout it from the roof tops.
It is the insidious nature of the DEI movement that bothers me and it is touched on in the post I mentioned.

I keep talking about socialism and the rise of a focus on equity of outcome over equality of opportunity.
The part the left will never say out loud is that the only way you can achieve this is by punishing one group of people to advantage another.
Soon as you state that x% of your pilots are going to be black lesbian refugees, you instantly remove those jobs from the pool available to those who have worked the hardest.
We need an egalatarian society that pushes for everyone to have the same opportunity on education and employment, what people choose to do with those opportunities is up to them.

As soon as you advocate for ANY other system, it ceases to be a free and fair system.

I can give you another example which is climate change.
I went from a total believer in man-made climate change, to being reasonably convinced that it is more likely than unlikely.
The issue around climate policy is that it is from the same poisoned tree of DEI that I mentioned earlier.

My country has agreed to something like 20% cuts by 2030.
Countries like China and India have only committed to hit peak output by 2030.
The idea of the UN is that these countries deserve the right to build their economies the same way the West has.
In principal it sounds great, but the aim of climate change policy is to drive up the cost of energy to make alternative systems more economical.
So as manufacturing shuts down in the West during to energy costs it shifts to countries that haven't signed the Paris accords and they burn the world's dirtiest coal to produce the same products at half the price.

To top it all off, we only have the word of China and India that they will reduce their output after these dates.
India and China are still building coal fired power plants at a massive level.

This is where the system falls over, we are told to be ashamed of climate change and as a result we should pay more for electricity, then the same products are then manufactured in a different country with more pollution and what did we gain... Virtue?

This is where DEI falls over, it is a culture of shame, it seems that everyone emerges from University with the same mind-set.
Ashamed to be white
Ashamed to be male.
Modern academics look at everything through a lens of power, if you have the power you are immediately wrong.

As horrific as it is, every race has a history of slavery, every culture in the world, still awful, but no need for shame.
I am not sure why left wing politics has become this humiliation ritual of who can bow the lowest.

In closing - Equality = Good, Equity = bad.
Engineer the inputs to be equal and not the outputs.

Nov 7, 2024 12:31:56 GMT KING KID said:

Nov 7, 2024 7:17:42 GMT KJ said:

Asked the same question in July. Answer I got was:

First and foremost, not have war period but especially not on our soil.

I would also like him to send back majority of the illegal immigrants that were just allowed to invade. If there’s no effort into that, then I would be very disappointed.

I would like the billions that are being sent to Ukraine to be invested back into this country so I don’t have to continue getting BJs on my exclusive OnlyFans pages just to afford a food shop every week.

I already went over the plan. Trump will do one term and then the dynasty begins. Vance 2028-2036, Trump Jr 2036-2044, Barron 2044-2052. A nice little 28 year dynasty.

MAGA! ✅ 

Nailed it. 

That’s not *my* answer:

I did a direct copy/paste of what you responded when I asked the question. 🤦🏻‍♂️

No wonder it sounded perfect.

Find something you love as much as iNCY enjoys shoehorning the ills of DEI into a conversation.

nypost.com/2024/11/07/us-news/tim-walz-loses-home-county-to-trump/


Put a tampon in him. He’s finished.

Nov 7, 2024 15:27:53 GMT rad said:

Find something you love as much as iNCY enjoys shoehorning the ills of DEI into a conversation.

Considering the DEI party was just ANHIALATED in the election by the working class of the USA, I would say that it bares heeding.

Again, no problem with equal opportunity or equal rights.
My issue is when you engineer the diminishing of one group to artificially inflate another....

Argue all you want, or better yet go spend 5 years in Cuba or North Korea and see if it is too your liking.


In many ways I feel cursed, because I have a systematic brain and I always see how everything connects to everything else.
More money for a school that is underperforming on literacy sounds great on paper.
Until you realise it means taking the money from another school where kids are achieving their benchmarks.

So, two things:

1) I can’t make the logical leap from DEI to North Korea. I don’t see it.

2) Like I’ve debated multiple times, I’m all for grossly inflating our school system budgets so every school is a fucking palace and we draw the brightest to become teachers with appropriate salaries.

Nov 7, 2024 15:40:29 GMT iNCY said:

Nov 7, 2024 15:27:53 GMT rad said:

Find something you love as much as iNCY enjoys shoehorning the ills of DEI into a conversation.

Considering the DEI party was just ANHIALATED in the election by the working class of the USA, I would say that it bares heeding.

Again, no problem with equal opportunity or equal rights.
My issue is when you engineer the diminishing of one group to artificially inflate another....

Argue all you want, or better yet go spend 5 years in Cuba or North Korea and see if it is too your liking.


In many ways I feel cursed, because I have a systematic brain and I always see how everything connects to everything else.
More money for a school that is underperforming on literacy sounds great on paper.
Until you realise it means taking the money from another school where kids are achieving their benchmarks.

Correction: shoehorning in the ills of communism*

I wasn't arguing for it, just cracking a snarky joke. We've talked about it before and I've agreed with you wholeheartedly on the lack of merit in equity.

You do kind of have a habit of extrapolating one cringe party position to be representative of the entire base though. A lot of you do: My hair ain't blue.

Huh...

It turns out I placed a bet on Trump to win on one of my betting accounts, 150 win but eh it's 150 I wasn't expecting.

150,000 Amish voted for Trump in Pennsylvania. He won by 168,000.

Those who control the milk, control the vote.


MAGA.

Nov 7, 2024 15:38:28 GMT KING KID said:

nypost.com/2024/11/07/us-news/tim-walz-loses-home-county-to-trump/


Put a tampon in him. He’s finished.

OK, they lost.  No need to kick them while their down.