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Post by UT on Sept 3, 2019 14:34:35 GMT
I love Star Wars and it definitely is the most culturally impactful movie of the 70s by a clear and huge margin, perhaps even the most culturally impactful movie of all time, but the best movie of the 70s it is not. Cultural impact and quality rarely coincide all too closely. I’m not mad about it since the movies are great and awesome, but it didn’t make my list. On the other hand, I don’t get people who hate on Star Wars and feel like much of that hate is undeserved and directed at it solely because it is popular. Star Wars is far superior to Harry Potter, which is the true most overrated series. Anyone who likes Harry Potter and not Star Wars should be ashamed. I won’t call anyone out by name. You know who you are. Shut up.
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Post by Lionheart on Sept 3, 2019 14:35:46 GMT
UT, You don’t like Star Wars!?!?!?
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Post by UT on Sept 3, 2019 14:40:45 GMT
UT, You don’t like Star Wars!?!?!? Mother fuck Star Wars. I can respect it but don’t give a shit about it. Harry Potter is my daughters favorite thing ever and I can watch those movies and like a few of them.
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 3, 2019 14:46:25 GMT
I love Star Wars and it definitely is the most culturally impactful movie of the 70s by a clear and huge margin, perhaps even the most culturally impactful movie of all time, but the best movie of the 70s it is not. Cultural impact and quality rarely coincide all too closely. I’m not mad about it since the movies are great and awesome, but it didn’t make my list. On the other hand, I don’t get people who hate on Star Wars and feel like much of that hate is undeserved and directed at it solely because it is popular. Star Wars is far superior to Harry Potter, which is the true most overrated series. Anyone who likes Harry Potter and not Star Wars should be ashamed. I won’t call anyone out by name. You know who you are. You calling out Wife?
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Post by UT on Sept 3, 2019 14:47:27 GMT
I love Star Wars and it definitely is the most culturally impactful movie of the 70s by a clear and huge margin, perhaps even the most culturally impactful movie of all time, but the best movie of the 70s it is not. Cultural impact and quality rarely coincide all too closely. I’m not mad about it since the movies are great and awesome, but it didn’t make my list. On the other hand, I don’t get people who hate on Star Wars and feel like much of that hate is undeserved and directed at it solely because it is popular. Star Wars is far superior to Harry Potter, which is the true most overrated series. Anyone who likes Harry Potter and not Star Wars should be ashamed. I won’t call anyone out by name. You know who you are. You calling out Wife? Let’s drive to his house and kick his ass 🤯! For the honor of your Wife and my daughter!
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Post by Lionheart on Sept 3, 2019 14:49:06 GMT
I like Harry Potter movies too, they just aren’t better than Star Wars. Though I’d certainly expect most kids to like Harry Potter more. Star Wars may be cool, but it is less fantastical and considerably less magical. This whole thing really backfired. I was trying to troll Emperor who isn’t even here due to vacation and it turns out I was accidentally referring to a ton of people’s relatives I don’t even know.
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 3, 2019 14:52:23 GMT
I like Harry Potter movies too, they just aren’t better than Star Wars. Though I’d certainly expect most kids to like Harry Potter more. Star Wars may be cool, but it is less fantastical and considerably less magical. Whoa, whoa, whoa... What are we comparing and contrasting here? The prequel trilogy really tanks Star Wars. I haven't seen the sequel trilogy to know if it helps, hurts, or has a neutral effect. HP is pretty consistent across all 8 movies. The original Star Wars trilogy definitely echoes that same consistency in terms of quality. Is that what you're saying?
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Post by Lionheart on Sept 3, 2019 14:59:23 GMT
Woah woah woah.
If anyone is referring to the prequel or sequel trilogies when they say “Star Wars” then that’s their prerogative, but I wouldn’t trust them much if I knew that about them.
I like all of them to varying degrees, but I was definitely only referring to the original three.
I also have not seen any of the HP movies after Goblet of Fire, but HP does have its own weak spots as well. I would place a fair bet on every Star Wars movie over Chamber of Secrets. Not even Kenneth Branagh, one of my favorite actors, could save that one.
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 3, 2019 16:35:36 GMT
Woah woah woah. If anyone is referring to the prequel or sequel trilogies when they say “Star Wars” then that’s their prerogative, but I wouldn’t trust them much if I knew that about them. I like all of them to varying degrees, but I was definitely only referring to the original three. I also have not seen any of the HP movies after Goblet of Fire, but HP does have its own weak spots as well. I would place a fair bet on every Star Wars movie over Chamber of Secrets. Not even Kenneth Branagh, one of my favorite actors, could save that one. Chamber was definitely the weak link, but not terrible. At worst on par with the fun of pod racing. The fifth movie really kicks it up a notch, and it and the final few are good stuff... Way more so than the first four (not that the first four were bad). It's nice when a series trends generally in an upward direction over its lifespan. Also, fwiw, the third HP is my favorite. And New Hope was my favorite Star Wars. But Rogue One seemed dope too, and I didn't hate Last Jedi like everyone made me think I would.
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Post by Big Pete on Sept 3, 2019 17:07:59 GMT
Rocky was my #3.
I talked about the Grease soundtrack and how my Sunday ritual wasn't complete without it, similarly my school holiday trips weren't complete without my old man walking me through the Rocky series. There is just something so universal about the Rocky character. That thirst for redemption, wanting to turn your story around from a bum to a star and just willing yourself through the trials and tribulations. And Rocky by no means is a glamarous story. It's gritty as anything, with multi-faceted characters, all of them flawed, all of them having paid the price for some screw up along the way, all looking for that one last shot. It's that ruggedness that makes the first Rocky movie the pick of the bunch for me. It's coming from a genuine place, beyond just making a few bucks. This is Sly's story, his vision, the one he fought for and ultimately struck big with. It's also maybe one of the all-time great messages about how winning isn't everything and that sometimes the greatest victories in life come when you just give it your all.
In a way, it's fitting that despite all these great movies, it didn't take it out, but it hit well above expectations. Bravo PW.
I'll get to the #1 but since Harry Potter came up...
Philosopher's Stone - I had my fill of family movies at the time and since we studied the first book for a school project, it didn't hold my interest. This and Fellowship were both massive letdowns for me.
Chamber of Secrets - Maybe it's because I wasn't as familiar with the book, but this got me hooked on the series. The who dunnit story structure hooked me in and I enjoyed the flashbacks. It was like True Detective a decade before True Detective became a thing. Much better final boss fight as well. Everybody knows a giant snake = buys.
Prisoner of Azkaban - I feel like this is generally considered the best book of the series. The serial killer angle and darker tone really raised the stakes and they introduced a lot of really cool story elements like the Marauder's Map which added to the intrigue of the story. The movie loses a lot of Columbus' magic, but Cauron's vision suits where the story is headed and achieves a nice balance of staying true to the books while adding scenes that make sense for a film story.
Goblet of Fire - I liked the idea of other magical schools, but thought the Tri-Wizard tournament was a lame excuse to have Harry interact with dangerous creatures. In fairness, everything outside of that is pretty good. This is where the books just became too difficult to adapt and the movie feels rushed as hell. There are scenes where you just want to hang out with the characters and you're rushed along to the next phase of the tournament. That and that scene with Dumbledore confronting Harry always seemed OTT. Oh and the forced conflict between Ron and Harry, please.
Order of the Phoenix - I remember this being a slog to read because you had the Ministry of Magic turning into the biggest heels and it's just Harry trying to keep his gang of renegades a secret. The movie was slashed to pieces again, but from memory it wasn't that bad because there were only so many inner-politics of the renegade group you really needed to cover. I love the final showdown in this and the way it leaves you feeling.
Half-Blood Prince - This was advertised as Chamber of Secrets 2 and it's probably to the stoy's dentriment. A lot of it feels like a retread and a lot of things that are set up as twists are really obvious only a few chapters in. It's also an intentionally frustrating read because half the characters are just gone and you're supposed to relate to Harry's feeling of abandonment. You finally get to the point of the story about 3/4s through, and then you realise there's not enough time for the book to cover the goal and they'll have to do it in the next book. I thought the movie reflected the book pretty accurately.
Deathly Hallows - A real change of pace in both book and film version. The book abandons a lot of the usual conventions and focus' primarily on the task at hand and it mostly answers a lot of lingering questions with satisfying answers while delivering some devastating shocks a long the way. The movie does a pretty good job of sending the series out on the right note, albeit chopping it into two parts comes with some drawbacks. It's like Kill Bill, you really have to watch them together to get the right experience. Watching one either lacks action or lacks story. My biggest disappointment is that you never get a good sense on who Harry's parents were and with some of the developments in the movie, you get the sense he never will either.
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Post by The Kid on Sept 3, 2019 17:21:55 GMT
I just want to say; The Harry Potter BOOKS blow themovieout the water.
The books are amazing. I read all of them and loved them.
Harry Potter > Star Wars
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Post by RagnarokMike on Sept 3, 2019 18:13:23 GMT
I'm not saying Harry Potter is better than Star Wars...but I AM typing it: Harry Potter is better than Star Wars. While I'd say New Hope and Empire Strikes Back may be the best movies of the 2 franchises, Harry Potter wins with entries on whole. Just a better realized narrative, even the Fantastic Beasts movie aren't as bad as Phantom Menace and Solo.
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Post by PB on Sept 3, 2019 18:32:16 GMT
The Empire Strikes Back stands as the only truly great film of either franchise - but Harry Potter as a whole is waaaaay better than Star Wars as a whole as none of Harry Potter is unwatchable garbage.
Also, Rocky's great but no where near great enough to be number 2 here. Really disappointing.
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Post by CM Punk'd on Sept 3, 2019 19:07:17 GMT
Well, since we all assume that Star Wars is #1, I'd thought I'd show you my list. I had 25 on my list, but I assume UT trimmed it down to 15. So I'll draw a cut line.
1. Rocky 2. The Godfather: Part II 3. Alien 4. Star Wars 5. Blazing Saddles 6. The Godfather 7. Kramer vs. Kramer 8. The Muppet Movie 9. Superman 10. The Spy Who Loved Me 11. Young Frankenstein 12. JAWS 13. Carrie 14. Dog Day Afternoon 15. Apocalypse Now ------------------------------------------- 16. Chinatown 17. The Life of Bryan 18. Slap Shot 19. The China Syndrome 20. Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory 21. Breaking Away 22. Taxi Driver 23. A Clockwork Orange 24. Dawn of the Dead 25. Shaft
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 3, 2019 19:16:06 GMT
Well, since we all assume that Star Wars is #1, I'd thought I'd show you my list. I had 25 on my list, but I assume UT trimmed it down to 15. So I'll draw a cut line. 1. Rocky 2. The Godfather: Part II 3. Alien 4. Star Wars 5. Blazing Saddles 6. The Godfather 7. Kramer vs. Kramer 8. The Muppet Movie 9. Superman 10. The Spy Who Loved Me 11. Young Frankenstein 12. JAWS 13. Carrie 14. Dog Day Afternoon 15. Apocalypse Now ------------------------------------------- 16. Chinatown 17. The Life of Bryan 18. Slap Shot 19. The China Syndrome 20. Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory 21. Breaking Away 22. Taxi Driver 23. A Clockwork Orange 24. Dawn of the Dead 25. Shaft Love the Slap Shot near shout!
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Post by The Kid on Sept 3, 2019 19:16:52 GMT
My list.
The Kid Avatar Aug 13, 2019 14:45:17 GMT -4 The Kid said: 1- Godfather 2 2- Godfather 1 3- Grease 4- The Exorcist 5- One Flew over the Cuckoos 6- Rocky 7- Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory 8- Amityville Horror 9- Halloween 10- Jaws 11- Texas Chainsaw Massacre 12- Dog Day Afternoon 13- Kramer vs Kramer 14- Star Wars 15- Animal House
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Post by Strobe on Sept 3, 2019 21:11:28 GMT
I did not submit but mine would've looked something like:
What an absolutely incredible decade for Coppola.
1970: Patton - Best Original Screenplay (co-written) 1972: The Godfather - Best Picture, Best Adapted Screenplay (co-written) 1974: The Conversation - Palme d'Or 1974: The Godfather Part Two - Best Picture, Best Director, Best Adapted Screenplay (co-written) 1979: Apocalypse Now - Palme d'Or (co-winner)
And then to have done almost nothing of note since. It is typical for artists to have their spell of greatness that they can never recapture, but you often still get flashes here and there post-prime. But the discrepancy for Coppola is so large as to suggest that he never truly recovered from making Apocalypse Now.
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Post by Emperor on Sept 3, 2019 22:13:20 GMT
I bit the bullet and browsed PW on my phone after hearing all the horror stories. Turns out it's not bad at all.
I've had a travel nightmare today, so thank you all for filling my idle airport hours with some good chat.
Lionheart trying to troll me with Harry Potter and instead pissing off everybody else and converting this 70s movie thread into a Harry Potter discussion is amazing. Well done!
Strobe, please tell me about your #1 pick.
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Post by Emperor on Sept 3, 2019 22:26:35 GMT
Half-Blood Prince - This was advertised as Chamber of Secrets 2 and it's probably to the stoy's dentriment. A lot of it feels like a retread and a lot of things that are set up as twists are really obvious only a few chapters in. It's also an intentionally frustrating read because half the characters are just gone and you're supposed to relate to Harry's feeling of abandonment. You finally get to the point of the story about 3/4s through, and then you realise there's not enough time for the book to cover the goal and they'll have to do it in the next book. I thought the movie reflected the book pretty accurately. Deathly Hallows - A real change of pace in both book and film version. The book abandons a lot of the usual conventions and focus' primarily on the task at hand and it mostly answers a lot of lingering questions with satisfying answers while delivering some devastating shocks a long the way. The movie does a pretty good job of sending the series out on the right note, albeit chopping it into two parts comes with some drawbacks. It's like Kill Bill, you really have to watch them together to get the right experience. Watching one either lacks action or lacks story. My biggest disappointment is that you never get a good sense on who Harry's parents were and with some of the developments in the movie, you get the sense he never will either. Half-blood Prince is my favourite book and movie. It's when the series became really dark and the film captured the tone perfectly. Malfoy turning from a bit of a prick to pure evil top heel is phenomenal, and Tom Felton nailed the conflicted nature of the character who's in way over his head but feels like he has no other course of action. Dumbledore and Harry's private journey to eradicate the horcruxes was a great character development journey with huge plot significance. Also illustrates the incomprehensible genius of Albus. It all ends with SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE, which kicks off the best arc of the series : Snape's backstory reveal, establishing him as a top babyface in a tearjerking manner. I found reading the first half of Deathly Hallows to be a bit of a slog. It was all Harry, Ron, Hermione bickering in a forest and not doing very much. The films eradic most of this tedium and ends the series with the climactic heroic victory it deserves. Thank you Lionheart. Watch the last four Harry Potter movies. You won't regret it.
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Post by Baker on Sept 3, 2019 23:00:48 GMT
I had Star Wars at #1 with a bullet, Rocky at #5, and Jaws at #12 so I’m fairly content with how this countdown played out.
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Post by Lionheart on Sept 3, 2019 23:28:23 GMT
Holy fuck there’s EIGHT HP movies?
I fell asleep during the 4th one at the theater even but I thought it was good at the time. I was just really tired. I ought to rewatch it too.
I originally planned never to watch more after rewatching the first two some years back and being bored to death, but then I rewatched the third one anyway and it was great but I still never got around to rewatching the fourth.
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Post by RT on Sept 4, 2019 0:10:16 GMT
I’m pretty surprised that The Rocky Horror Picture Show didn’t even place. It narrowly missed my list but my wife had it pretty high on hers and I thought it would make the list pretty easily.
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Post by Big Pete on Sept 4, 2019 1:30:48 GMT
Half-Blood Prince - This was advertised as Chamber of Secrets 2 and it's probably to the stoy's dentriment. A lot of it feels like a retread and a lot of things that are set up as twists are really obvious only a few chapters in. It's also an intentionally frustrating read because half the characters are just gone and you're supposed to relate to Harry's feeling of abandonment. You finally get to the point of the story about 3/4s through, and then you realise there's not enough time for the book to cover the goal and they'll have to do it in the next book. I thought the movie reflected the book pretty accurately. Deathly Hallows - A real change of pace in both book and film version. The book abandons a lot of the usual conventions and focus' primarily on the task at hand and it mostly answers a lot of lingering questions with satisfying answers while delivering some devastating shocks a long the way. The movie does a pretty good job of sending the series out on the right note, albeit chopping it into two parts comes with some drawbacks. It's like Kill Bill, you really have to watch them together to get the right experience. Watching one either lacks action or lacks story. My biggest disappointment is that you never get a good sense on who Harry's parents were and with some of the developments in the movie, you get the sense he never will either. Half-blood Prince is my favourite book and movie. It's when the series became really dark and the film captured the tone perfectly. Malfoy turning from a bit of a prick to pure evil top heel is phenomenal, and Tom Felton nailed the conflicted nature of the character who's in way over his head but feels like he has no other course of action. Dumbledore and Harry's private journey to eradicate the horcruxes was a great character development journey with huge plot significance. Also illustrates the incomprehensible genius of Albus. It all ends with SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE, which kicks off the best arc of the series : Snape's backstory reveal, establishing him as a top babyface in a tearjerking manner. I found reading the first half of Deathly Hallows to be a bit of a slog. It was all Harry, Ron, Hermione bickering in a forest and not doing very much. The films eradic most of this tedium and ends the series with the climactic heroic victory it deserves. Thank you Lionheart. Watch the last four Harry Potter movies. You won't regret it. I was trying my best to avoid spoiling a 14 year old book for young Lionheart and then you just go and blurt out the meme. :lol: I suppose at this point it's like Old Yeller or Marley and Me. It's 'THAT' entry in the series.
I haven't read the book since the weekend of it's release and similarly I've only seen the movie a couple of times, so I don't have a definitive take by any means. I just remember being put off because so many things happen in the background, except for the major twist which you know is going to happen because they tell you early on what Snape and Malfoy's motivations are. It seemed like Rowling wanted to experiment with Hitchcock's formula for dealing with tension, except the rest of the book and movie is from Harry's perspective so it doesn't quite land.
I don't really remember much else outside of Harry using whatever means necessary to learn more about Voldy. I think there was a lot of Ron-Hermione shipping? Which displeased me to no end. Hermione should have ended up with Krum, she deserved the finer things.
The movie also blended together for me, since it's the second of four Yates entries. I don't remember a lot outside of Jim Broadbent absolutely nailing it as Slughorn. I always wondered if she had certain actors in mind when she wrote specific characters. Robbie Coltrane as Hagrid just seems too spot on for instance.
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Post by thereallt on Sept 4, 2019 1:41:14 GMT
Original Star Wars trilogy>>>>>>>>> ANY Harry Potter film.
That being said, the first 3 Harry Potter films were great, with the 3rd one being the best. Goblet of Fire was a huge disappointment though. It felt more like a highlight reel than an actual film.
Haven't seen any of the others yet.
1.Star Wars 2.Halloween 3.Blazing Saddles 4.Alien 5.Dirty Harry 6.Kelly's Heroes 7.Rocky 8.Taxi Driver 9.The Godfather Part II 10.The Godfather 11.The Exorcist 12.Jaws 13.Chinatown 14.Mean Streets 15.The Outlaw Josey Wales 16.Kramer vs. Kramer 17.High Plains Drifter 18.Superman 19. Dog Day Afternoon 20.The French Connection
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Post by Shootist on Sept 4, 2019 1:44:00 GMT
Rocky was my number 3, it introduced one of the most iconic characters of all time and is the ultimate underdog story. I know some would call it overrated since it doesn't have the popcorn action of the sequels and I actually favor II slightly more as my favorite. Still watching the growth of this character as the movie progress is as intriguing as the final fight itself. Plus I love the street level gritty feel that was lost in the 80's.
In the field of movie making it was hugely influential as well since it introduced the steadycam.
Oh, next page and we're revealing lists.
1. Jaws 2. Apocalypse Now 3. Rocky 4. Alien 5. American Graffiti 6. Taxi Driver 7. Deliverance 8. One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest 9. Close Encounters Of The Third Kind 10. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 11. Halloween 12. Animal House 13. Enter The Dragon 14. The Exorcist 15. Star Wars
More people need American Graffiti in their lives, much prefer it to something like Grease for 50's/60's nostalgia. Deliverance has long been a favorite, must have a thing for river adventures in the 70's. Close Encounters is just more Spielberg brilliance while ANimal House and Enter The Dragon are contenders for best of their respective genres.
I'm probably one of the few who is indifferent to Star Wars. Original trilogy was great but I don't geek out over it while the prequels were hit and miss but not the atrocities they are made out to be.
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 4, 2019 1:51:45 GMT
Original Star Wars trilogy>>>>>>>>> ANY Harry Potter film. That being said, the first 3 Harry Potter films were great, with the 3rd one being the best. Goblet of Fire was a huge disappointment though. It felt more like a highlight reel than an actual film. Haven't seen any of the others yet. 1.Star Wars 2.Halloween 3.Blazing Saddles 4.Alien 5.Dirty Harry 6.Kelly's Heroes 7.Rocky 8.Taxi Driver 9.The Godfather Part II 10.The Godfather 11.The Exorcist 12.Jaws 13.Chinatown 14.Mean Streets 15.The Outlaw Josey Wales 16.Kramer vs. Kramer 17.High Plains Drifter 18.Superman 19. Dog Day Afternoon 20.The French Connection What's with people judging shit they haven't seen!? And on the lesser films, no less.
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Post by UT on Sept 4, 2019 15:15:27 GMT
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Post by Lionheart on Sept 4, 2019 15:17:16 GMT
The placement of this here, at the top of the list, definitively proves without any question that Star Wars is vastly superior to all the Harry Potter movies from the 70s.
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Post by UT on Sept 4, 2019 15:18:36 GMT
I’m pretty surprised that The Rocky Horror Picture Show didn’t even place. It narrowly missed my list but my wife had it pretty high on hers and I thought it would make the list pretty easily. That was the movie I was talking about in the GD thread that got multiple votes , including a first place one and still missed the list. It was #22 , the threshhold was crazy with this list. Anyways good list , good dicussion and reads. Fuck Star Wars , Harry Potter should be coming up on our next list too so maybe more discussion to come on that front.
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Post by The Kid on Sept 4, 2019 15:20:56 GMT
Basically proves that if Harry Potter was made in the 70s, it would have finished #1 on the list.
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