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Post by c on Aug 12, 2021 23:52:25 GMT
Mask mandate in effect in my area. Hilarious to see people who pushed a strict dress code on us in schools now raging about being asked to follow a more strict dress code to shop.
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Post by @admin on Aug 13, 2021 0:44:40 GMT
It's not a great surprise that this is so polarising - we've become increasingly divided as a society over all political issues in recent years, as you've alluded to many times iNCY there seems to be a heightened difficulty to see issues from anyone's perspective but our own - and this is the one issue that has truly affected everyone. Everyone has an opinion about masks, everyone has an opinion about lockdowns, everyone has an opinion about vaccines, it's all a bit exhausting really. I fit in to nath45's group A - but think he has overly generalised for comedic effect. Working from home has been fantastic for me, especially given my usual long commute. But that doesn't mean that I love lockdown - even as someone who doesn't mind staying at home I'm pretty weary of things now. I had three social plans for the weekend that LD6 started - having to cancel them sucked! I can't remember the last time I saw my parents, not being able to celebrate my engagement with them (especially as I kept them waiting a lot longer than they probably would have liked!) just feels weird. But just because this has been going on for longer than anyone hoped or thought doesn't mean that the idea that we are sacrificing (at whatever level) for the greater good suddenly disappears. I think a lot of people who fall into this category are very aware and sympathetic towards the struggles that small business owners have been facing because of lockdowns. I know I have made sure to support local businesses as much as I can in the past 18 months - I've only bought my beer from local breweries, I've been buying takeaway most weeks, etc. These things are important! I'm sure there are plenty of loudmouths out there that like to whinge about economic damage but buy from Amazon rather than their local community - put your money where your mouth is! It's like people who agonise over climate change but have their aircon running 24/7. I would dispute whether the people who have been at the protests are truly the people who have been those affected by the lockdown measures. I would imagine there's likely a far bigger percentage of internet troll wankers there than small business owners.
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Post by c on Aug 13, 2021 15:00:37 GMT
Shit about to get interesting in the US. If the pandemic continues to rage out of control, Biden may have to finally crack down. Two nuclear options being discussed are vaccination passports to cross state lines and ending covering treatment costs and testing for the unvaccinated who get COVID.
The second one is getting a lot of support from liberals. Locking down interstate travel is not likely feasible, but we sure as hell can hold people who refuse to vaccinate accountable for their choice. After the first wave of bankruptcies from COVID people should realize it is cheaper to get the shot than be on the hook for massive hospital bills.
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Post by Gyro LC on Aug 13, 2021 15:25:20 GMT
Preventing interstate travel is not going to happen. There's far too many routes between states and freedom of movement has long been a staple of US law. Reducing payments for unvaccinated COVID treatments is more likely.
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Post by c on Aug 13, 2021 15:48:35 GMT
Interstate travel bans would basically be solely to require for business and logistic workers. So your truck drivers, people traveling for sales meetings, members of the House of Representatives, ect. Also for insta-US air travel. They are discussing this as well for states that have the highest outbreak levels to stop the wave of anti-mask governors. Ordinary people will not likely be effected, but this can put massive pressure on businesses to force people to be vaccinated to continue sending them over state lines.
This one seems to be from the business sector as well, as they do not want to have to send their people into places with high infection rates and risk their workers getting sick, or having a trucker unload and get their warehouse workers sick.
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Post by c on Aug 13, 2021 18:22:24 GMT
Seen it reported that the anti-mask, anti-vaccine push by deep red govs is to some extent pushed by Trump advisers who want the pandemic to rage on to 2022 to make the claim that Biden and the Dem majority was not able to control the pandemic either. Then after the House swaps to Republican they will rapidly shift tone to masks and vaccines for the country to show under their leadership with the Trump vaccine they stopped the pandemic, setting up Trump's 2024 run promising to bring the country back to a pre-COVID state.
Sounds crazy, but all the GOP think tanks, leaders and news personalities are all vaccinated while telling the public they do not need it. Most will not associate with the public due to the pandemic and insist their staff wear masks, but tell the public they do not need masks.
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Post by nath45 on Aug 13, 2021 22:35:36 GMT
The United States are just begging for a civil war.
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Post by c on Aug 13, 2021 23:01:17 GMT
Half the nation thinks things would have better if the Confederacy won to this day. Wish the US would just fucking split already. Let them make the shithole utopia they so desire. Liberals would be able to afford the liberal policies they want, and the South finally see their tax policies in action when the federal government is not paying for their citizens welfare.
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Post by Ness on Aug 13, 2021 23:05:12 GMT
Time for Texas to Succeed. Shame they outlawed johns as they're gonna need revenue!
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Post by c on Aug 13, 2021 23:13:29 GMT
But the Wall just got four times longer!!!
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Post by Ness on Aug 13, 2021 23:14:56 GMT
Biden needs to grab it by the panhandle and toss it like a frisbee to Mexico.
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Post by iNCY on Aug 14, 2021 2:33:45 GMT
Preventing interstate travel is not going to happen. There's far too many routes between states and freedom of movement has long been a staple of US law. Reducing payments for unvaccinated COVID treatments is more likely. Freedom of movement was the same here... Until it wasn't.
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Post by System on Aug 14, 2021 5:15:49 GMT
People calling for police every second street, medical information for everyone to be public and $10k fines for travelling for leisure are just as insane as the deniers.
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Post by System on Aug 14, 2021 5:22:23 GMT
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Post by iNCY on Aug 14, 2021 6:28:58 GMT
People calling for police every second street, medical information for everyone to be public and $10k fines for travelling for leisure are just as insane as the deniers. The issue we have is the lack of transparency around the spread of infections. We aren't told whether the virus is spreading in essential work places or people flouting the rules. I agree though, 10k fines and troops on the street is not the answer.
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Post by KITN on Aug 14, 2021 6:29:46 GMT
Half the nation thinks things would have better if the Confederacy won to this day. Wish the US would just fucking split already. Let them make the shithole utopia they so desire. Liberals would be able to afford the liberal policies they want, and the South finally see their tax policies in action when the federal government is not paying for their citizens welfare. So you'd punish all of the people who are already being affected by the cruel practices of Red state politics, who already get fucked over by Gerrymandering and voter suppression and general cruelty, just to... what? Feel better? Own people? What about a state like Georgia? What about a state like Texas that almost flipped in the last election. Ted Cruz and Mitch McConnell aren't going to get hurt by a new north-south split, it'll be all the poor people in Texas who were left to freeze to death while one of their elected representatives tried to run away to Cancun.
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Post by System on Aug 14, 2021 13:49:42 GMT
Got my first AZ dose yesterday had chest tightening/jaw tightening and had to keep taking deep breaths so went to hospital to be safe. Thought I was going to faint at one point but probably just having a panic attack as I thought the System had failed. Got checked out and heart is fine as is blood, can’t complain that they found no issues. Still having same symptoms today but not as severe, called Telehealth and they just told me to take some Panadol, lay down and see a doctor soon. Hoping it’s nothing as I can’t see my GP at the moment. Still happening on and off and as of writing which is concerning. Hopefully can find another medical place that isn’t the one nearest to me as last time I went there they Told me to wear sunscreen and rub a steroid cream that put me in hospital as it agitated an already extreme sunburn. & my normal gp is Telehealth only atm.
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Post by c on Aug 14, 2021 14:59:03 GMT
And the US hit the breaking point. In the places with wide outbreaks there is a worker shortage now. Death tolls should start to accelerate now.
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Post by Ness on Aug 14, 2021 15:00:41 GMT
Everybody who hasn't died and is out of SL is moving up in seniority!!!
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Post by c on Aug 14, 2021 16:22:20 GMT
Pretty big new that went under the radar for most people. Several of the big insurance companies no longer will waive payment for COVID treatment. So medical bills coming for people who assumed their treatment would be free. Should be a few weeks before the people flooding hospitals now realize that their stay is not covered and this becomes a real story.
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Post by KITN on Aug 14, 2021 22:00:12 GMT
It's almost as if Insurance companies are dogshit.
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Post by Ness on Aug 14, 2021 23:08:31 GMT
Their fault for choosing to get covid in merica.
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Post by iNCY on Aug 15, 2021 0:04:52 GMT
So Victoria and NSW are in lockdown... Yet the numbers are increasing, looks like even with a lockdown that the R0 number is 1.3 which means it's next to impossible to contain.
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Post by c on Aug 15, 2021 1:23:20 GMT
Being reported that Southern leaders have reached out to Trump to promote vaccination to stop COVID from devastating their states but he refuses saying controlling COVID would make Biden look, and he does not think it would poll well. This was after they suggested pitching it as the Trump vaccine that he made.
Yeah we are fucked.
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Post by Ness on Aug 15, 2021 1:36:48 GMT
Just tell them the vaccinated get 4 votes.
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Post by System on Aug 15, 2021 2:33:48 GMT
Being reported that Southern leaders have reached out to Trump to promote vaccination to stop COVID from devastating their states but he refuses saying controlling COVID would make Biden look, and he does not think it would poll well. This was after they suggested pitching it as the Trump vaccine that he made. Yeah we are fucked. vaccine that Jesus made* problem solved.
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Post by System on Aug 15, 2021 21:56:43 GMT
People calling for police every second street, medical information for everyone to be public and $10k fines for travelling for leisure are just as insane as the deniers. The issue we have is the lack of transparency around the spread of infections. We aren't told whether the virus is spreading in essential work places or people flouting the rules. I agree though, 10k fines and troops on the street is not the answer. where I live there has been cases at a supermarket, petrol station,chiropractor and a chemist. Chemists seem to be the most common one as I guess people have a “it can’t happen to me attitude” but the rest of them aren’t someone going to have a huge house party or anything of that nature.
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Post by nath45 on Aug 15, 2021 23:11:39 GMT
Big fines for those breaching the rules in New South, I guess without people spending in the economy, Glady needs to get the state some quick cash.
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Post by iNCY on Aug 15, 2021 23:19:54 GMT
If you can put on a mask and still exhale through that mask and fog up a mirror... It is essentially useless for stopping Covid-19 as I understand it.
I'm not anti mask like some of the fringe loonies and I always comply with mask rules, but I haven't found any data that they work. Look at Japan where they had 99% mask compliance as cases peaked.
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Post by nath45 on Aug 16, 2021 0:09:05 GMT
My favourite observation is, for 18 months we ran without a vaccine. For 18 months we had less than 40,000 cases, less than 1,000 deaths and for the most, front line workers, including retail workers weren't getting sick and dropping dead in the streets.
Now, despite social distancing, better hygiene standards, masks, capped density quotas, etc.. the only answer is, VACCINES.
And if you don't get the vaccine, YOU DIE. Or your friends and family die. Those friends and family you can't visit.
I'm not a anti-vaxxer, and will eventually get the jab to tick a box. But I have no doubt, we'll get to 80% vaccinated and we'll still be in lockdowns to 'stop the spread' among those unvaccinated.
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