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Post by @admin on Aug 25, 2021 1:30:07 GMT
And if you thought the worker crisis was bad before... I’m really curious to know what would happen if a such a huge amount of people refused to get vaccinated and it caused a labor shortage. Watched a Sydney lawyers live today and every third question was relating to someone not wanting the vaccine. I know it’s anecdotal but for every 4 people I’d talk to that wanted to get it I would encounter 12 people that wanted to refuse. Then again the latter are normally the most vocal crowd. You've already alluded to it, but I think it's important to remember that they are absolutely the minority. I have a social circle where the majority of the guys are very outspoken about how "I trust my immune system!!" - and it's upsetting to read their stupidity - but I just have to block it out as best I can because it's pointless trying to tell them how wrong they are. Australia in general is a very vaccine supportive country, we will reach those 70-80% targets eventually. Antivaxxers make a lot of noise but vaccine hesitancy is low and decreasing as time goes on following that spike while the AZ blood clotting stuff was in the news. I managed to fight my way through the swarm online this morning and make an appointment for my first shot - will be getting it done in a couple of weeks.
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Post by iNCY on Aug 25, 2021 1:57:23 GMT
That's interesting @admin, I am encountering a lot of vaccine hesitancy on worksites, especially in the less educated demographic who think people who get vaccines have a very real chance of dying of clots (they don't even discriminate AZ vs Pfizer) Also geographically once you get into the outer suburban fringe then there are heaps of anti-vax nutters. In my family. I am vaxxed 2 shots, wife has had 1 Dad has had 1, MiL 1, Mum has been unwell so not had her 1st. Sister and her husband conspiracy theorists and no vaccine My Brother in law and his wife, "Waiting for Novavax" It also bothers me that amongst a lot of my friends, it's like you asked them about how much they earn or something, which suggests to me a lot of them aren't vaccinated. Largest take up group in my church is the over-60's for sure, they are the most scared. It's pretty depressing, I think the vaccination rates will keep taking off like a rocket and then suddenly stall somewhere around 60% and I desperately hope I am wrong.
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Post by c on Aug 25, 2021 3:54:17 GMT
If the US proved anything, people will not vaccinate any they see personally what the disease does. The South is seeing records numbers getting vaccinated after the US stalled at 50% for ages. What is very likely is Australia will hit the point where they just cannot get more vaccinated, open up and it will rip through the unvaccinated. Then you will see those start to take things more seriously.
Or you can simply pay them to get the shot. In US we used cash, weed, beer and guns to get people vaccinated. It did work well.
But people want to fuck around for freedom, let them deal with the consequences. Australia had it with lockdowns and if the only way to open in the end is to say fuck them, well, they had enough notice. Also they likely are the ones not really giving a shit as it is about restrictions.
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Post by nath45 on Aug 25, 2021 6:36:30 GMT
Well, iNCY to your point. I'm 170km north of Melbourne and this week we broke our 10 month record of no cases, we're currently at 50+. Most of the workforce across Greater Shepparton is in isolation due to the majority of the cases linked to schools. Funnily up until 6 days ago, I was still talking to people who were essentially ignoring the notion of vaccination with the classic "she'll be right" mentally. I still see people flat out refusing vaccination. Why? Because it hasn't impacted us. 2 weeks ago, I was able to book in a vaccination at 8pm at night and go the next day. Today, it's a 3 week wait locally. Until it actually impacts people, people don't care. Life goes on, until it doesn't. I have family members, thankfully not my parents or siblings.. but family who legitimately believe this is a conspiracy and getting the vaccination is "how they get you"
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Post by c on Aug 25, 2021 7:00:49 GMT
I do not get this at all. I can see it in America where most places with low vaccination rates also have no restrictions, but with lockdowns and shit you would think people would want to be vaccinated just to speed up getting rid of all your restrictions.
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Post by iNCY on Aug 25, 2021 8:32:07 GMT
I do not get this at all. I can see it in America where most places with low vaccination rates also have no restrictions, but with lockdowns and shit you would think people would want to be vaccinated just to speed up getting rid of all your restrictions. It's human nature, people smoke cigarettes for 30 years then cry "why me" when they get cancer. The greatest lie in all of humanity is that inaction is choosing to not make a decision, inaction is a decision as much as any action is. As nath45, points out the "she'll be right' head in the sand concept is at the very core of the Australian way. We live in the lucky country so crack open a beer, fire up the bbq and let someone else worry about it. Not everyone is like that, but enough people that it is a pain to get anything done... Exacerbated by the fact we have compulsory voting.
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Post by c on Aug 25, 2021 14:16:01 GMT
Vaccination tax goin into effect in the US. Delta airlines charging unvaxed employees 200 a month for increased healthcare costs and will no longer pay employees for hours lost due to COVID if they are not vaccinated.
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Post by nath45 on Aug 25, 2021 20:34:59 GMT
" Two of the major tour operators in the Australian market will make vaccinations compulsory for guests.
The Travel Corporation (TTC), owner of Contiki, Trafalgar, Insight Vacations, Inspiring Journeys and AAT Kings Guided Holidays, will require all travellers to be fully vaccinated by December 1, along with Australia and New Zealand based staff that deal with customers. "
I've travelled with Topdeck, a Contiki like company and remember having to get Flu and something else to travel with them. Something to do with concerns in Italy. And would imagine it would be similar with other companies.
I guess Anti-vaxxers will be slowly left in their caves, no jab no fly, no jab no travel. No jab no play.
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Post by The Kid on Aug 25, 2021 22:07:06 GMT
A year ago, these same people shouting "GET YOUR VAXX~!" were shouting, "I'M NOT TAKING TRUMPS VACCINE~!"
The sheep lifestyle is REAL with you people! Yall talk out your asses sometimes.
PS: I was vaccinated before it was cool.
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Post by The Kid on Aug 25, 2021 22:14:13 GMT
The funniest part about this to me is how unbelievably shitty the health care field exposes itself to be when big things go down. As I stated earlier, they are being told not to test everyone for the coronavirus unless they fit every single check point/category. I read that iNCY ran into that same problem. You can literally feel all the symptoms but not traveled and they’ll be like “yeah so here’s Tamiflu, good luck.” Especially if your job is not important and involves a lot of people. Then to top it off, my fucking boss thinks this is a fucking joke. He’s getting annoyed by EMTs getting fucking nervous about getting this shit and exposing their families. He literally had the balls to say, “why join the medical field if you’re not willing to deal with this shit?” Great point IF you didn’t sit in a fucking office all day and deal with absolutely zero patient care. So who are you to judge how people want to live? Let me ask another question. How well we’re first responders of 9/11 treated post 9/11? “Oh you have cancer because of the burning buildings. Wait a minute, you used to smoke cigarettes. DISQUALIFIED!” Fuck sacrificing yourself with no safety net for yourself. This ain’t the fucking military where they get protection and all that free shit afterwards. This is a fucking job that we are grossly underpaid in. Speaking of pay; if every job gets to work from home or shut down except for the medical field; shouldn’t we get paid extra? I mean we’re the only assholes out there exposing ourselves to disease and working while everyone quarantines and watches Netflix. And man oh man. Let me get into this dumb ass NYC protocol regarding the Coronavirus. So if you suspect your patient has Coronavirus, you have to put a mask on yourself and your patient. Then you have to call telemetry (which is basically a city doctor who tells you what to do in big situations). But while you’re waiting for a doctor to pick up, you have to sit in a slightly ventilated back of an ambulance with a coronavirus patient and sit on hold on the phone for what could be a total of 20 fucking minutes. All for the doctor to say, “okay, transport to this hospital.” Oh no shit Sherlock. Guys I’m sorry but I am really pissed off and nervous. When billion dollar companies like the NBA are shutting down seasons because of this disease and losing all that money then CLEARLY this is bigger then we actually know. This is only the fucking beginning. Wait until people start looting and breaking into people’s homes for food and shit. This is about to be survival of the fittest. This shit is bad and I’m only telling you guys what I see in the medical field in New York fucking City. THROWBACK WEDNESDAY.
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Post by c on Aug 25, 2021 22:25:43 GMT
A year ago, these same people shouting "GET YOUR VAXX~!" were shouting, "I'M NOT TAKING TRUMPS VACCINE~!" The sheep lifestyle is REAL with you people! Yall talk out your asses sometimes. PS: I was vaccinated before it was cool. There was a pretty big difference in saying we will take a vaccine because Trump promotes it and we will take a vaccine when the FDA says it is safe. I mean he also promoted ass lights and drinking bleach to fight COVID.
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Post by The Kid on Aug 25, 2021 22:28:33 GMT
A year ago, these same people shouting "GET YOUR VAXX~!" were shouting, "I'M NOT TAKING TRUMPS VACCINE~!" The sheep lifestyle is REAL with you people! Yall talk out your asses sometimes. PS: I was vaccinated before it was cool. There was a pretty big difference in saying we will take a vaccine because Trump promotes it and we will take a vaccine when the FDA says it is safe. I mean he also promoted ass lights and drinking bleach to fight COVID. I know you wrote words, but all I can see is BAHHHHHHHHHHH.
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Post by c on Aug 25, 2021 22:30:08 GMT
Funny how people who call others sheep all the time are taking horse meds to fight COVID.
But don't worry Kid sure any day now Trump will be back in office right? What is it now, he comes back in Oct I believe to defeat COVID?
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Post by The Kid on Aug 25, 2021 22:35:11 GMT
Funny how people who call others sheep all the time are taking horse meds to fight COVID. But don't worry Kid sure any day now Trump will be back in office right? What is it now, he comes back in Oct I believe to defeat COVID? Dude, what are you even saying? LMAO. You're not even making sense. I called you liberals out on your bullshit and as usual, the response; DRINK BLEACH WITH TRUMP~! I <3 U BRO, BUT POLITICS BETWEEN US AINT HEALTHY. Lol.
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Post by c on Aug 25, 2021 22:59:08 GMT
Liberals said they would take the vaccine when it was considered safe by medical people. The issue they had was Trump mandating it be approved before it was tested.
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Post by The Kid on Aug 25, 2021 23:00:16 GMT
Imagine a world where vaccines were being mandated and Trump was President!
Hitler! Stalin! MAH RIGHTZ!
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Post by iNCY on Aug 25, 2021 23:30:21 GMT
Liberals said they would take the vaccine when it was considered safe by medical people. The issue they had was Trump mandating it be approved before it was tested. You can hate Trump all you want, but the tacky named Warp Speed was a stroke of genius. Let's also not forget Trump closed borders with China and got called racist by the Dems who were encouraging people to go to Chinese New Year in new York at the time. On everything else he was too slow. Today I'm epically jaded, where Wi live we always lockdown every time there is an outbreak which means 206 days of non consecutive lockdown and counting. I just can't see the point in living like this, we have gutless cowards in charge. We have been promised when we get to an 80% vaccination rate we can reopen, but large sections of the media is already tearing that plan to shreds... Without having a better plan than hide under your bed. At 80% we will still end up within 180 days at over 20,000 cases a day and people will die and these people can't accept that. Nearly all that die will be the unvaccinated or those already at deaths door, but not enough aparrently. People trying to socialism health outcomes is total crap, we should all have equality of access to the vaccines not equality of access to health outcomes.
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Post by c on Aug 26, 2021 0:03:24 GMT
Was Operation Warp speed genius? 10 billion spent. 8.5 billion was spent on vaccines that never went to market here and the US invested in the AZ vaccine and production that will not pass FDA funding. US paid for 300 million doses of this, which is why it is flooding other countries. When it was clear that would fail, the US then purchased the Pfizer vaccine was made outside of Warp Speed entirely. We supported the Moderna vaccine after it was made, and just paid for clinical trials as a fourth tier vaccine.
There was no plan for distribution outside of the feds will use federal cash to buy the vaccines and the states will distribute them. There was no logistics for how this would occur. Most of the logistics for the Pfizer vaccine was done by Pfizer.
So if Pfizer and Moderna developed their own vaccines, and Pfizer tested it on their own and distributed it on their own, what did Warp Speed do outside of supply vaccines that the FDA will not approve for US in Americans to other countries?
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Post by iNCY on Aug 26, 2021 0:31:47 GMT
Was Operation Warp speed genius? 10 billion spent. 8.5 billion was spent on vaccines that never went to market here and the US invested in the AZ vaccine and production that will not pass FDA funding. US paid for 300 million doses of this, which is why it is flooding other countries. When it was clear that would fail, the US then purchased the Pfizer vaccine was made outside of Warp Speed entirely. We supported the Moderna vaccine after it was made, and just paid for clinical trials as a fourth tier vaccine. There was no plan for distribution outside of the feds will use federal cash to buy the vaccines and the states will distribute them. There was no logistics for how this would occur. Most of the logistics for the Pfizer vaccine was done by Pfizer. So if Pfizer and Moderna developed their own vaccines, and Pfizer tested it on their own and distributed it on their own, what did Warp Speed do outside of supply vaccines that the FDA will not approve for US in Americans to other countries? Like everything Trump did it was mixture of bluster and smart business moves. His plan was a success as the vaccines shipped in record time and they moved all obstacles out of the way. I would argue he didn't go far enough as he left it to the states to get vaccines into arms and some of the states have failed miserably at this. Mind you, one of the greatest failures of the Biden presidency is a failure to have that singular narrative that vaccines are the way forward. Fauci and the CDC have been appalling in their messaging and you need the government to control that. I say all that while admitting that shing a light up your ass isn't clear messaging either. At this point I struggle to see what part of the Pandemic the Biden administration is working on.
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Post by c on Aug 26, 2021 1:34:55 GMT
Trump was genius in branding the rollout as his idea and that he was behind the creation of the vaccine and the plan to use it to stop the virus. His administration did like none of the work though. We are still shipping out millions of Trump's vaccines a week too, since we committed to buying them despite not being able to use them in our country. We still got 200 million AZ vaccines to give to the world. Which makes this very interested, as while Biden is not playing it up, he is giving countries millions of dollars worth of drugs with no strings and no additional spending on the behalf of the US.
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Post by iNCY on Aug 26, 2021 1:51:42 GMT
Trump was genius in branding the rollout as his idea and that he was behind the creation of the vaccine and the plan to use it to stop the virus. His administration did like none of the work though. We are still shipping out millions of Trump's vaccines a week too, since we committed to buying them despite not being able to use them in our country. We still got 200 million AZ vaccines to give to the world. Which makes this very interested, as while Biden is not playing it up, he is giving countries millions of dollars worth of drugs with no strings and no additional spending on the behalf of the US. You need those vaccines, the failure of people to take them is a monumental policy failure at all levels of government. Fauci and the CDC has been undermining the vaccines for incomprehensible reasons. Vaccines are way more effective than masks when it comes to preventing serious illness and death. All the testing about that backs that in, the way Faucci has been presenting facts is to say masks are the number one preventer of transmission and it is NONSENSE. You cannot stop transmission, you can stop serious disease and death. Japan is key evidence of this
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Post by c on Aug 26, 2021 1:59:18 GMT
We have more vaccines than we need. The AZ vaccine is not approved for use so we give it to allies. We take the Moderna and Pfizer vaccine that we can produce to demand now. The issue is not supply here but people will not take them.
And CDC and Fauci have been promoting the vaccines, but the alt right says they are not needed and just a way for the government to control people and take their freedom. Which is why they both backed off on messaging and are letting local leaders make the push now. They were hoping that if Biden laid off the messaging, and the GOP worked on Trump that when Trump told his supporters to get the vaccine it would make inroads. It did the opposite, his supporters booed him and many in the alt right the last few days claim Trump no longer is welcome.
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Post by iNCY on Aug 26, 2021 2:16:37 GMT
We have more vaccines than we need. The AZ vaccine is not approved for use so we give it to allies. We take the Moderna and Pfizer vaccine that we can produce to demand now. The issue is not supply here but people will not take them. And CDC and Fauci have been promoting the vaccines, but the alt right says they are not needed and just a way for the government to control people and take their freedom. Which is why they both backed off on messaging and are letting local leaders make the push now. They were hoping that if Biden laid off the messaging, and the GOP worked on Trump that when Trump told his supporters to get the vaccine it would make inroads. It did the opposite, his supporters booed him and many in the alt right the last few days claim Trump no longer is welcome. I didn't realise the discussion had devolved into just making stuff up to support our world view? The alt-right is the reason people aren't getting vaccinated? Your curve is almost flat now. You need every does of that vaccine, you just need clear messaging on taking it. Where's the federally funded campaign promoting vaccines? Where is anything other than a confusing string of press releases with no coherent message? There is ONE MESSAGE. Get vaccinated today and stay out of hospital tomorrow.
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Post by System on Aug 26, 2021 2:20:13 GMT
SUTHERLAND SHIRE - Fully vaccinated exempt from 5 person outdoor gatherings.
The NSW Government has this morning (26/8) announced an easement in restrictions for those that are fully vaccinated.
Groups of five fully vaccinated people who live outside of the local government areas of concern including the Sutherland Shire Local Government Areas can gather outdoors within their local government areas or 5km from home.
The new rules will take effect from 12:01am on 1e September. [SIC]
Saw this posted on FB and people are legitimately celebrating this as a victory, wtf
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Post by iNCY on Aug 26, 2021 3:11:58 GMT
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Post by c on Aug 26, 2021 3:58:48 GMT
I am not exactly seeing where the US is sending mixed vaccination messages. The said do not lie to get a third booster early.
73% of people who can be vaccinated in the US has received one shot. 30% of Americans supported alt-right media and beliefs, which following Trump's loss, as turned to straight antivax.
Sorry but Biden telling people to get vaccinated is not going to work since these people believe he is the leader of a cult that rapes children then murders them to drink their blood. They also believe that Biden is pushing vaccination as a way of tracking people's movement and controlling their behavior, and killing them off so they can be replaced by Latinos. Why on Earth would alt-right believers suddenly decide their folk devil speaks more truth than their folk heroes like Tucker who still says the vaccine is more dangerous than COVID itself.
Look at states, looks at how many people voted for Trump, multiply by .3, or the amount of republicans who still believe in the Qverse, and you get rough estimates of the current amount of unvaccinated people per state. Sure you get a handful of leftist naturalists refusing the vaccine, but the vast majority turn on Fox News at night, hear how dangerous the vaccine is and see what their friends post on social media from the alt-right and decide to refuse vaccination. This entire issue is political in the US. People here do not oppose the 16 other vaccinations required by most public places, or the dozen or so other optional ones, only one, that is has been politized. We seen with the HPV vaccination, refusal only exists during sustained media coverage. Until the US mans up and starts and make media liable for harm caused by news that no reasonable person can accept as truth, being presented at truth, nothing will change.
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Post by iron maiden on Aug 27, 2021 3:09:55 GMT
Alberta is leading the numbers in Canada for the 4th wave, Edmonton leading Alberta and I am 0% surprised.
We have 64 people in ICU. 80% are unvaccinated, 3% are partially and 17% are fully vaxxed. I found those numbers interesting. Partially has a better number than fully.
At any rate I'm trying to get online to get a screenshot of my vaccinations in case they decide we need a vaccination 'passport' to go places and do things and when I try to sign in they say that my email is already set up, so I say 'forgot my password', reset it and it still does not recognize my password even after I just reset it. ARGH!
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Post by nazzer on Aug 27, 2021 10:17:22 GMT
Alberta is leading the numbers in Canada for the 4th wave, Edmonton leading Alberta and I am 0% surprised. We have 64 people in ICU. 80% are unvaccinated, 3% are partially and 17% are fully vaxxed. I found those numbers interesting. Partially has a better number than fully. At any rate I'm trying to get online to get a screenshot of my vaccinations in case they decide we need a vaccination 'passport' to go places and do things and when I try to sign in they say that my email is already set up, so I say 'forgot my password', reset it and it still does not recognize my password even after I just reset it. ARGH! In BC they say for our passport all we need to do is enter our healthcare number into the website they set up and they will send us our passport. Assuming the clinic took your info when you got your vaccine Alberta should be able to do this as well.
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Post by iNCY on Aug 27, 2021 13:06:12 GMT
Alberta is leading the numbers in Canada for the 4th wave, Edmonton leading Alberta and I am 0% surprised. We have 64 people in ICU. 80% are unvaccinated, 3% are partially and 17% are fully vaxxed. I found those numbers interesting. Partially has a better number than fully. At any rate I'm trying to get online to get a screenshot of my vaccinations in case they decide we need a vaccination 'passport' to go places and do things and when I try to sign in they say that my email is already set up, so I say 'forgot my password', reset it and it still does not recognize my password even after I just reset it. ARGH! They don't really provide enough information, but the very elderly and sick were among the first vaccinated, so they are likely to feature in the numbers significantly. I wish we could get a proper breakdown of the numbers. A lot of fully vaccinated elderly people still die if the flu.
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Post by c on Aug 27, 2021 15:51:03 GMT
More GOP states in the US have eradicated the COVID threat, by simply refusing to allow the complying of official state numbers for cases, testing and deaths.
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