Jul 6, 2021 21:50:33 GMT c said:

Children have a 1 in a 1000 chance of dying and are 15% of all COVID cases. Letting 1 in 1000 kids die is a sacrifice people are willing to make to pretend things are normal.

Research from the European Journal of Epidemiology suggests the risk to children is 1 in 100,000. Even the risk for a 25 year old adult is 1 in 10,000.

link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-020-00698-1

Is this a joke that’s gone over my head? Why are you peddling such utter shit?

WHO chart listed it at slightly over 1 in 1000 mortality for children who get COVID in the US to die. US policy is to let COVID spread in children.  American Association of Pediatrics concurs.  

Can you provide some kind of source?

Please tell me you’re not looking at deaths vs. official cases and calculating IFR from that. 😂

Ah here it was.

www.aappublications.org/news/2021/04/19/pediatric-covid-cases-041921

About 0.01% of children diagnosed with COVID-19 have died.

Likely our kids dying have the gamma variant that is killing Brazilian kids.  In the US white kids rarely die from COVID but we are seeing 80% of the deaths from it in children are in latinos and black kids which suggest a medical access or racial interaction problem.

Jul 6, 2021 22:46:27 GMT c said:

Ah here it was.

www.aappublications.org/news/2021/04/19/pediatric-covid-cases-041921

About 0.01% of children diagnosed with COVID-19 have died.

C, are you drunk?

For any concerned parents, please don’t pay any attention to this nonsense. Here is some more published science in the Lancet suggesting an extremely low risk to children:

www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(21)00066-3/fulltext

Most strikingly, COVID even accounts for a tiny amount of children’s deaths, around 0.5%. So for every 200 children that have died, one had COVID.

That article reports only 134 children died of COVID. Official numbers were twice that by Feb and were said to be severely undercounted since they do not test most children for COVID.

Also assumes that the US response to COVID and related curves are the same as the other countries.

But hey, not my kids, if people want to let their kids get COVID and just assume they will be completely fine afterwards, their choice regardless of how weird it may be.

Thankfully Brazil is on the other side of the world as well and there is no way the Lambda variant can possibly enter into our country.

www.cnn.com/2021/06/30/americas/brazil-children-covid-deaths-intl/index.html

Jul 6, 2021 23:06:06 GMT c said:

That article reports only 134 children died of COVID. Official numbers were twice that by Feb and were said to be severely undercounted since they do not test most children for COVID.

Also assumes that the US response to COVID and related curves are the same as the other countries.

But hey, not my kids, if people want to let their kids get COVID and just assume they will be completely fine afterwards, their choice regardless of how weird it may be.

Just talk fucking facts instead of spewing incorrect information to push your political agenda. The risk to children is not 1 in 1,000, not even close. Maybe variants have pushed it up a bit, but not by a factor of 100. You’re embarrassing.

Love the contrast of threads today. Hundreds of kids dead from COVID SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT POLIICS THERE IS NO DANGER!!!

1 kid dead on a water ride. OMG SO DANGEROUS SHUT IT DOWN!!!!

And yeah totally making up numbers and publishing them to American Association of Pediatrics and the CDC database to push my political agenda and force people to become democratic socialists by making decisions based on the fact that there is a deadly virus spreading uncontrolled in many parts of the US because that totally makes sense. Or is it my belief that viruses rapidly mutate that is political? Is that socialism now? Do conservatives believe that the viruses never change their forms, is that it?

In the last few weeks hundreds of young children have died in Brazil and through out South America. Maybe hospitals are just killing children at random to pump up those numbers, or there is a second pulmonary illness that causes the same symptoms as COVID secretly spreading only in South America. Or perhaps different countries are having different reactions to the virus as it mutates in local clusters.

This is from the WHO website..

covid19.who.int/

" Globally, as of 6:27pm CEST, 6 July 2021, there have been 183,934,913 confirmed cases of COVID-19, including 3,985,022 deaths, reported to WHO. As of 5 July 2021, a total of 2,989,925,974 vaccine doses have been administered. "

Slow math: 2.16% mortality rate worldwide?

In contrast, the Spanish Flu is estimated to have killed 17–100 million in less than 2 years from an estimated 500,000,000 cases.

Jul 7, 2021 1:23:41 GMT NATH45 said:

This is from the WHO website..

covid19.who.int/

" Globally, as of 6:27pm CEST, 6 July 2021, there have been 183,934,913 confirmed cases of COVID-19, including 3,985,022 deaths, reported to WHO. As of 5 July 2021, a total of 2,989,925,974 vaccine doses have been administered. "

Quick math: 0.02% mortality rate worldwide?

In contrast, the Spanish Flu is estimated to have killed 17–100 million in less than 2 years from an estimated 500,000,000 cases.

Isn't that quick math 2%? 🤨

Jul 7, 2021 1:30:54 GMT 🤯 said:

Jul 7, 2021 1:23:41 GMT NATH45 said:

This is from the WHO website..

covid19.who.int/

" Globally, as of 6:27pm CEST, 6 July 2021, there have been 183,934,913 confirmed cases of COVID-19, including 3,985,022 deaths, reported to WHO. As of 5 July 2021, a total of 2,989,925,974 vaccine doses have been administered. "

Quick math: 0.02% mortality rate worldwide?

In contrast, the Spanish Flu is estimated to have killed 17–100 million in less than 2 years from an estimated 500,000,000 cases.

Isn't that quick math 2%? 🤨

Yes it is. 2.1%

Good pick up.

Jul 7, 2021 1:32:36 GMT NATH45 said:

Jul 7, 2021 1:30:54 GMT 🤯 said:

Isn't that quick math 2%? 🤨

Yes it is. 2.1%

Good pick up.

Meh, what's a few million deaths. At least your math was an honest typo.

The war between c and Todd is still confusing me math-wise.

Jul 7, 2021 1:34:12 GMT 🤯 said:

Jul 7, 2021 1:32:36 GMT NATH45 said:

Yes it is. 2.1%

Good pick up.

Meh, what's a few million deaths. At least your math was an honest typo.

The war between c and Todd is still confusing me math-wise.

Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. Forty percent of all people know that.

US media making a big deal about people who were vaccinated dying to delta now.  But mostly killing in red states so go socialism!!!

Jul 6, 2021 23:57:57 GMT c said:

And yeah totally making up numbers and publishing them to American Association of Pediatrics and the CDC database to push my political agenda and force people to become democratic socialists by making decisions based on the fact that there is a deadly virus spreading uncontrolled in many parts of the US because that totally makes sense. Or is it my belief that viruses rapidly mutate that is political? Is that socialism now? Do conservatives believe that the viruses never change their forms, is that it?

In the last few weeks hundreds of young children have died in Brazil and through out South America. Maybe hospitals are just killing children at random to pump up those numbers, or there is a second pulmonary illness that causes the same symptoms as COVID secretly spreading only in South America. Or perhaps different countries are having different reactions to the virus as it mutates in local clusters.

You know you're struggling when you start lobbing out incoherent sarcasm.

You have still (as always) provided jack-shit as far as evidence to show that children have a 1 in 1,000 risk of dying. You can't infer anything from cases vs. deaths, because thousands of children's cases are undetected due to how mild or asymptomatic they are, something you yourself said a few posts back:

That article reports only 134 children died of COVID. Official numbers were twice that by Feb and were said to be severely undercounted since they do not test most children for COVID.

If they do not test most children for COVID (which of course they don't), your inference of IFR by taking cases against deaths is completely useless.

Then, again, as usual, you purport a few baseless things to be fact with nothing to back them up:

Likely our kids dying have the gamma variant that is killing Brazilian kids.

Maybe hospitals are just killing children at random to pump up those numbers, or there is a second pulmonary illness that causes the same symptoms as COVID secretly spreading only in South America. Or perhaps different countries are having different reactions to the virus as it mutates in local clusters.

The only evidence you provide to support this idea that the Brazilian variant is going to wade in and kill our kids is a news article that directly contradicts your point. From the article:

Bierrenbach adds that the coronavirus variant known as Gamma or P.1, which was first identified in Brazil, may not be entirely to blame.
"Kids have been dying more in Brazil since the original variant was here, so it was not the addition of the P.1 variant that made kids die more here than in other countries," she said.

The article itself dismisses a link with a variant and instead blames Brazil's specific health situation.

Some might feel I'm being a dick here, and I've generally tried to turn a blind eye to your click-baity, agenda-driven, 'Murica is the worst country in the world' bullshit, but let's try not to tell people the risk of their children dying is a hundred times bigger than it really is.

Jul 7, 2021 7:46:47 GMT Todd said:

Jul 6, 2021 23:57:57 GMT c said:

And yeah totally making up numbers and publishing them to American Association of Pediatrics and the CDC database to push my political agenda and force people to become democratic socialists by making decisions based on the fact that there is a deadly virus spreading uncontrolled in many parts of the US because that totally makes sense. Or is it my belief that viruses rapidly mutate that is political? Is that socialism now? Do conservatives believe that the viruses never change their forms, is that it?

In the last few weeks hundreds of young children have died in Brazil and through out South America. Maybe hospitals are just killing children at random to pump up those numbers, or there is a second pulmonary illness that causes the same symptoms as COVID secretly spreading only in South America. Or perhaps different countries are having different reactions to the virus as it mutates in local clusters.

You know you're struggling when you start lobbing out incoherent sarcasm.

You have still (as always) provided jack-shit as far as evidence to show that children have a 1 in 1,000 risk of dying. You can't infer anything from cases vs. deaths, because thousands of children's cases are undetected due to how mild or asymptomatic they are, something you yourself said a few posts back:

That article reports only 134 children died of COVID. Official numbers were twice that by Feb and were said to be severely undercounted since they do not test most children for COVID.

If they do not test most children for COVID (which of course they don't), your inference of IFR by taking cases against deaths is completely useless.

Then, again, as usual, you purport a few baseless things to be fact with nothing to back them up:

Likely our kids dying have the gamma variant that is killing Brazilian kids.

Maybe hospitals are just killing children at random to pump up those numbers, or there is a second pulmonary illness that causes the same symptoms as COVID secretly spreading only in South America. Or perhaps different countries are having different reactions to the virus as it mutates in local clusters.

The only evidence you provide to support this idea that the Brazilian variant is going to wade in and kill our kids is a news article that directly contradicts your point. From the article:

Bierrenbach adds that the coronavirus variant known as Gamma or P.1, which was first identified in Brazil, may not be entirely to blame.
"Kids have been dying more in Brazil since the original variant was here, so it was not the addition of the P.1 variant that made kids die more here than in other countries," she said.

The article itself dismisses a link with a variant and instead blames Brazil's specific health situation.

Some might feel I'm being a dick here, and I've generally tried to turn a blind eye to your click-baity, agenda-driven, 'Murica is the worst country in the world' bullshit, but let's try not to tell people the risk of their children dying is a hundred times bigger than it really is.

Todd you seem a smart fella and across the data, are the delta and similar more contagious variants less deadly?
The studies I have seen argue that the more transmissible a disease becomes, it tends to become less lethal as the virus evolves to survive.

What are the rates of death in the fully vaccinated VS unvaccinated? I expect that it will be no more lethal than the fly is to the vaccinated.

That can happen, and there are some signs that could be the case (fewer coughs, more runny noses - in other words, less flu-like, and more cold-like) but it's virtually impossible to tell in the middle of a vaccination program with so many variables at play, and there are many examples through history of viruses evolving to become more virulent. There is no indication COVID is doing this, but it may start.

A good article from the Atlantic talks about this:

www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/06/coronavirus-evolution-virulence/619301/

I haven't seen any good data in the UK on deaths in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. I suspect it's because the media will be irresponsible with it when vaccinated 85 year-olds are dying, which is obviously still far more likely than an unvaccinated 25 year old dying. It would be good to see some data on that though, perhaps someone can link some US data if they have it.

I linked the professional society for Children's Medicine in the US saying it is 1 in 1000 children that get COVID will die.

You are assuming the same situation for COVID in the UK is the same is the US. The US does not quarantine, has no lockdowns anymore and many do not even believe the virus is real. Caravans of people passing through Brazil come to the US, so whatever is in Brazil will come to the US through the border with the children given a vector for whatever is killing kids in the South America to enter the US and spread.

In the fall the kids go back to school with no masks and no social distancing. In some places it is illegal to put a mask on a child and our media is saying to call CDC on any child seen wearing a mask. The plan for the fall is to let COVID spread through schools because children cannot die from it. Already we are seeing outbreaks in summer camps and deaths.

Healthcare in places where COVID is still active is extremely lacking, so kids who would be fine elsewhere either will not have a hospital within a two hour drive or their parents do not have the insurance to get their kids treatment. So these parents will not get treatment until the condition turns.

So perhaps it would do the US well to prepare for children getting COVID before sending them back to school as if the virus is totally under control. The US already hit 250 children deaths in Feb excluding MIS-C cases. So clearly the odds are not 1 in 100000.

downloads.aap.org/AAP/PDF/AAP%20and%20CHA%20-%20Children%20and%20COVID-19%20State%20Data%20Report%202.11.21%20FINAL.pdf

As time goes on the amount of kids dying is increases as COVID moves into places that are less prepared to deal with it and places ease restrictions and oppose masks for children. COVID currently is the 10th leading cause of death for children in America this year and I believe still the leading cause of death in the US period.

So yeah America should be taking this a little more seriously.

Jul 7, 2021 8:17:58 GMT iNCY said:

Jul 7, 2021 7:46:47 GMT Todd said:

You know you're struggling when you start lobbing out incoherent sarcasm.

You have still (as always) provided jack-shit as far as evidence to show that children have a 1 in 1,000 risk of dying. You can't infer anything from cases vs. deaths, because thousands of children's cases are undetected due to how mild or asymptomatic they are, something you yourself said a few posts back:

If they do not test most children for COVID (which of course they don't), your inference of IFR by taking cases against deaths is completely useless.

Then, again, as usual, you purport a few baseless things to be fact with nothing to back them up:

The only evidence you provide to support this idea that the Brazilian variant is going to wade in and kill our kids is a news article that directly contradicts your point. From the article:

The article itself dismisses a link with a variant and instead blames Brazil's specific health situation.

Some might feel I'm being a dick here, and I've generally tried to turn a blind eye to your click-baity, agenda-driven, 'Murica is the worst country in the world' bullshit, but let's try not to tell people the risk of their children dying is a hundred times bigger than it really is.

Todd you seem a smart fella and across the data, are the delta and similar more contagious variants less deadly?
The studies I have seen argue that the more transmissible a disease becomes, it tends to become less lethal as the virus evolves to survive.

What are the rates of death in the fully vaccinated VS unvaccinated? I expect that it will be no more lethal than the fly is to the vaccinated.

New broke today in the US that 99% of the COVID deaths in the last month were unvaccinated.  

Jul 7, 2021 8:49:20 GMT c said:

I linked the professional society for Children's Medicine in the US saying it is 1 in 1000 children that get COVID will die.

That is not what the article says.

At least 297 children have died of COVID-19, about 0.06% of all deaths. About 0.01% of children diagnosed with COVID-19 have died.

It says diagnosed. It is blindingly obvious that not all children's cases are picked up. This is why there have been papers published on the inferred risk to children and they have stated the 1 in 100,000 area.

You know this, just stop.

Also, 0.01% is 1 in 10,000. Missed a zero there.

So perhaps it would do the US well to prepare for children getting COVID before sending them back to school as if the virus is totally under control. The US already hit 250 children deaths in Feb excluding MIS-C cases. So clearly the odds are not 1 in 100000.

I really enjoyed that dataset that you linked, there was some great information in there. If you look at page 4, it says children have accounted for 3m confirmed cases since the pandemic began, and according to page 16, 241 deaths. The inferred IFR from cases (which as we've discussed is an overestimate since not every child is tested) is 1 in 12,589. So, once we factor in all the children that were asymptomatic, or mildly symptomatic and not tested, it is very reasonable to present an estimated inferred mortality risk to children of 1 in 100,000. Hence why it was published in a paper.

I find it remarkable that you are continuing to double down here.

Jul 7, 2021 8:51:12 GMT c said:

Jul 7, 2021 8:17:58 GMT iNCY said:

Todd you seem a smart fella and across the data, are the delta and similar more contagious variants less deadly?
The studies I have seen argue that the more transmissible a disease becomes, it tends to become less lethal as the virus evolves to survive.

What are the rates of death in the fully vaccinated VS unvaccinated? I expect that it will be no more lethal than the fly is to the vaccinated.

New broke today in the US that 99% of the COVID deaths in the last month were unvaccinated.  

I saw this. It's not a perfect way to analyse the difference, but the result is incredibly strong. Get your jabs folks.

So kids and babies are not at risk, or...

?

They have magical protection that prevents COVID from effecting them in any meaningful way. Pay no attention to Brazil.


Some fake news on the effects of COVID on children.

www.washingtonpost.com/health/interactive/2021/covid-children-deaths/

Jul 7, 2021 11:57:50 GMT 🤯 said:

So kids and babies are not at risk, or...

?

son coughs

🤯:

Jul 7, 2021 13:57:28 GMT @ness said:

Jul 7, 2021 11:57:50 GMT 🤯 said:

So kids and babies are not at risk, or...

?

son coughs

🤯 :

I went in for my second COVID shot and sneezed.   I swear the whole room stopped and stared at me.  I have allergies assholes.   :lol:

I still have a mild smokers cough and that always gets people perking up.

Under 40s cannot get the jab in Australia without an exception. However vaccines are being rolled out in some of Sydney's elite private schools.

Yes, fuck the common folk. Fuck them.

Jul 7, 2021 21:30:35 GMT NATH45 said:

Under 40s cannot get the jab in Australia without an exception. However vaccines are being rolled out in some of Sydney's elite private schools.

Yes, fuck the common folk. Fuck them.

Sounds like yinz are trying to Americanize.

Jul 7, 2021 21:33:08 GMT 🤯 said:

Jul 7, 2021 21:30:35 GMT NATH45 said:

Under 40s cannot get the jab in Australia without an exception. However vaccines are being rolled out in some of Sydney's elite private schools.

Yes, fuck the common folk. Fuck them.

Sounds like yinz are trying to Americanize.

Their political thread is called upside down land.

I feel like the rich take us commoners, turn us upside down and shake us down for our coins.

Similar? It sounded way better in my head before I typed.