You know Gaetz is one of the reasons the US is in massive debt right? He voted for the Trump tax cuts and signed off on 4 trillion in spending for COVID relief, that was mostly grossly mismanaged to point of being pointless debt. He also wants a wall built and to borrow for it, that will cost at least a trillion.

Oct 4, 2023 3:48:19 GMT c said:

You know Gaetz is one of the reasons the US is in massive debt right? He voted for the Trump tax cuts and signed off on 4 trillion in spending for COVID relief, that was mostly grossly mismanaged to point of being pointless debt. He also wants a wall built and to borrow for it, that will cost at least a trillion.

I didn't say I supported Gaetz, I said everything he mentioned in his video was correct.
As much as these one off spending bills hurt the US economy terribly, the main issue is the structural shortfall of your budget over the last however many administrations.
Before debt was cheap, now it's not and what you can afford has shifted dramatically.

US budget used to work. Then we moved the marginal tax rate on the top from 91% in the 50s and 60s, to effectively 0 today via tax cuts and inserted loopholes. So long as the GOP does not believe in taxation but wants a trillion in defense a year, and hundreds of billions on the border wall, we will continue to have these problems.

They love their speeches about spending, but spend like drunken sailors without paying for it, then bitch about the debt they leave.

Problem Solver caucus of moderates blowing up after the GOP member say the Democrats should have saved Kevin's job.

www.wsj.com/livecoverage/house-speaker-vote-kevin-mccarthy-matt-gaetz/card/problem-solvers-caucus-has-a-problem-XbhYR4kPHWZjSZNSeK3z

Oct 4, 2023 12:49:18 GMT c said:

Problem Solver caucus of moderates blowing up after the GOP member say the Democrats should have saved Kevin's job.

www.wsj.com/livecoverage/house-speaker-vote-kevin-mccarthy-matt-gaetz/card/problem-solvers-caucus-has-a-problem-XbhYR4kPHWZjSZNSeK3z

They are right though, dismissing the speaker was political point scoring, that's fine it is all within the rules, but the Democratic party has made it harder to pass legislation, not easier.

Oct 4, 2023 12:00:45 GMT c said:

US budget used to work. Then we moved the marginal tax rate on the top from 91% in the 50s and 60s, to effectively 0 today via tax cuts and inserted loopholes. So long as the GOP does not believe in taxation but wants a trillion in defense a year, and hundreds of billions on the border wall, we will continue to have these problems.

They love their speeches about spending, but spend like drunken sailors without paying for it, then bitch about the debt they leave.

I am not sure the data backs you up:

Point of inflection on total US debt occur at each major tax reformation. Every major tax reformation has been cuts.

Point remains, GOP policy is to cut taxes and radically increase spending when they have control, or crash the economy through bad policy and force spending after they leave office. That is what runs up the debt more than anything else.

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Freedom caucus putting Trump up for speaker. Trump wants the position now and may whip for it. He sees this as a chance to kill the investigations against him directly, and to attack Biden.

Oct 4, 2023 3:52:37 GMT iNCY said:

Oct 4, 2023 3:48:19 GMT c said:

You know Gaetz is one of the reasons the US is in massive debt right? He voted for the Trump tax cuts and signed off on 4 trillion in spending for COVID relief, that was mostly grossly mismanaged to point of being pointless debt. He also wants a wall built and to borrow for it, that will cost at least a trillion.

I didn't say I supported Gaetz, I said everything he mentioned in his video was correct.
As much as these one off spending bills hurt the US economy terribly, the main issue is the structural shortfall of your budget over the last however many administrations.
Before debt was cheap, now it's not and what you can afford has shifted dramatically.

Except none of them him most of all was talking g about dept four years ago they only talk about it when the other guys in office. So sure he’s not wrong, but don’t tell he gives a fuck. He absolutely does not. So I fail to understand why it matters if he’s right? At least from the perspective of this particular discussion.

After a disastrous day in court Trump leaving NY. Trump demanded his legal team try to flip the trial on his accountants and the judge was not having any of it, and his team took in a handful of warnings. Since said judge also gets to set the punitive damages in the case since Habba waived a trial by jury, this is not what you want to do on the third day of a long trial. Likely without Trump the performances stop and the trial picks up pace focusing on the law, and not putting on a show for Trump from the defense.

OMG this is hilarious. AOC congressional questioning of Cohen is what allowed NYC to move against Trump Org.

The person they claimed was deranged, a child and has no understanding of what she was doing managed to help take down teflon Don.

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Six confirmed votes for Trump as speaker so unless he is elected, there is no majority possible for GOP speakers.  Jefferies can still be speaker with a handful of votes though.

Oct 4, 2023 18:41:46 GMT All34LOL said:

Oct 4, 2023 3:52:37 GMT iNCY said:

I didn't say I supported Gaetz, I said everything he mentioned in his video was correct.
As much as these one off spending bills hurt the US economy terribly, the main issue is the structural shortfall of your budget over the last however many administrations.
Before debt was cheap, now it's not and what you can afford has shifted dramatically.

Except none of them him most of all was talking g about dept four years ago they only talk about it when the other guys in office. So sure he’s not wrong, but don’t tell he gives a fuck. He absolutely does not. So I fail to understand why it matters if he’s right? At least from the perspective of this particular discussion.

Oct 4, 2023 18:43:10 GMT c said:

Show me a post where I have cheered on spending and I will accept your points, I am anti-excessive spending whoever is doing it.
My only caveat is spending on projects with a return, such as infrastructure.

It is fanciful for you both to suggest that nothing has changed.
Spending in a zero interest rate no inflation economy is a completely different prospect to what we have today.
Interest rates are climbing, that means that soon the US government will be issuing bonds to pay interest on maturing bonds, that is a death spiral.
Whoever is in the white house needs to cut spending really quickly.
Yellen is already talking about "Yield Curve Control" which is QE by another more fancy name, it is deathly dangerous at this point.

I will say again, the US can't afford to build walls or find a war in Ukraine, but they are not the major issue.
The issue is that you have a structural deficit, which means even when you cut out these special projects you are spending more than you make.
It is not a red vs blue issue, it is a USA issue.



This is the inarguable truth across multiple administrations of all flavours.
Trump blew it up with PPP loans, but as you can see the trouble is far larger than that.

I’m not saying he’s wrong. Or even that you are wrong. I’m saying he don’t mean it. And uses it to get votes, or distract from being a sex offender. If the GOP retakes the White House I’ll bet you a full months take home not a peep comes out of him or any of the other eight about spending. Except to accuse the democrats of doing too much of it.


It’s the same dog and pony show they been doing for years. Just a way to cut taxes, and fuck over the working poor by convincing them they want to cut spending. Republicans have no interest in cutting spending. They just want to cut taxes for their bosses at the hedge funds.

Biden suspended dozens of laws to help get his border wall put up in Texas. GOP crediting Trump most likely for it.


apnews.com/article/border-wall-biden-immigration-texas-rio-grande-147d7ab497e6991e9ea929242f21ceb2

Oct 4, 2023 23:07:21 GMT All34LOL said:

I’m not saying he’s wrong. Or even that you are wrong. I’m saying he don’t mean it. And uses it to get votes, or distract from being a sex offender. If the GOP retakes the White House I’ll bet you a full months take home not a peep comes out of him or any of the other eight about spending. Except to accuse the democrats of doing too much of it.


It’s the same dog and pony show they been doing for years. Just a way to cut taxes, and fuck over the working poor by convincing them they want to cut spending. Republicans have no interest in cutting spending. They just want to cut taxes for their bosses at the hedge funds.

I think he means it, that is the problem... He is a Zealot, the same way the "Squad" are Socialist zealots.
Doesn't mean he is not a hypocrite or a piece of shit as a person, I don't care to know much about him.

Zealots never solve problems because they see compromise as weakness.
All the "great" politicians were deal makers, we haven't had a decent deal maker in the White house since Clinton.
This is the main issue with politics today, it's about opinion polls not outcomes.
It's easier to control the spin than solve the issues... Makes me tired.

Oct 4, 2023 23:23:18 GMT iNCY said:

Oct 4, 2023 23:07:21 GMT All34LOL said:

I’m not saying he’s wrong. Or even that you are wrong. I’m saying he don’t mean it. And uses it to get votes, or distract from being a sex offender. If the GOP retakes the White House I’ll bet you a full months take home not a peep comes out of him or any of the other eight about spending. Except to accuse the democrats of doing too much of it.


It’s the same dog and pony show they been doing for years. Just a way to cut taxes, and fuck over the working poor by convincing them they want to cut spending. Republicans have no interest in cutting spending. They just want to cut taxes for their bosses at the hedge funds.

I think he means it, that is the problem... He is a Zealot, the same way the "Squad" are Socialist zealots.
Doesn't mean he is not a hypocrite or a piece of shit as a person, I don't care to know much about him.

Zealots never solve problems because they see compromise as weakness.
All the "great" politicians were deal makers, we haven't had a decent deal maker in the White house since Clinton.
This is the main issue with politics today, it's about opinion polls not outcomes.
It's easier to control the spin than solve the issues... Makes me tired.

Don’t really disagree with anything here except the part about “he means it”. He does not.

And I have spent most of my life believing compromise was possible and essential. But they broke me, trump and the pinion polls mattering more than results broke me. Their compromise position these days is to far to right for me. Even if it wasn’t there isn’t any compromise coming.

Matt took half a million dollars to give to a company he was a shareholder on during COVID. How is that meaning he is against government spending?

During COVID he personally took 30k for speech writing services for his TV appearances which was against congressional spending policy. Again if he is against congressional spending on unneeded services, why is he personally talking cash?

Unless my memory really is failing me, I also not seem to remember using government funds on transportation and hotel rooms for underage girls to do drugs and have sex with a congressman and his friends being any part of good fiscal policy.  This is what they will seek to expel him for.

Matt Gaetz's 101 is 99% pandering lunacy to a base of prefab lunatics and 1% throwing up an occasional softball of an issue so he can make an uncharacteristically solid take and appear more reasonable/palatable to the general public. Dude can really turn it on too and almost make you fall for him being a logical and sane individual.

But just give it a day and he's right back to being a smooth brain with a digital megaphone.

That is doing this all to land a Newsmax anchoring spot when he is pushed out of Congress. Only reason he ran again in 2022 is they would not hire him in before then.

But it is great to see people finally coming around to realizing the democrats were right all along.  After all they were Gaetz's allies in this move.  And we agree, we cannot continue to deficit spend, so tax reform and a return to the progressive taxation policies of the 1960's are needed to run a zero deficit plan and start to pay off debt.  

So glad to see all the deficit hawks finally coming around.

Reports are the reason Trump bailed on the NY trial was the judge made it clear that there would be no trial, and he was not going to put up with Trump's behavior or his legal team trying to pander to a jury that will never exist.

NY law for the these charges does not have the right to a trial, since they are civil in nature, and while they will grant a jury when requested, none was requested, and no more extra time will be given to the trial to get a jury after it started since so much extra time was already given to Trump, and not once did his legal team report they wanted a jury present until after the trial started.

Trump was so visually pissy in court, even complaining openly about not having a jury, that it is likely his own team sent him home.

He is likely to found in contempt later this week by a Florida court because he was supposed to be deposed tomorrow but claimed he could not because he would be at the NY trial, which now is patently untrue.

Gaetz getting a reminder of what happened to Cawthorn when he went out after betraying the GOP.

Calls now for federal audit of Trump's taxes due to a preponderance of evidence related to his long history of tax fraud and his absolute refusal to release them to the public.

www.rawstory.com/trump-new-york-overboard/

Oct 4, 2023 23:49:45 GMT All34LOL said:

Oct 4, 2023 23:23:18 GMT iNCY said:

I think he means it, that is the problem... He is a Zealot, the same way the "Squad" are Socialist zealots.
Doesn't mean he is not a hypocrite or a piece of shit as a person, I don't care to know much about him.

Zealots never solve problems because they see compromise as weakness.
All the "great" politicians were deal makers, we haven't had a decent deal maker in the White house since Clinton.
This is the main issue with politics today, it's about opinion polls not outcomes.
It's easier to control the spin than solve the issues... Makes me tired.

Don’t really disagree with anything here except the part about “he means it”. He does not.

And I have spent most of my life believing compromise was possible and essential. But they broke me, trump and the pinion polls mattering more than results broke me. Their compromise position these days is to far to right for me. Even if it wasn’t there isn’t any compromise coming.

Don't weigh into the mind virus...
Bush Jr, Obama, Trump & Biden are all equally poor politicians.
Trump no better or worse a politician than any of them.

Historians are already rating Trump as the worst president in the history of the US by far. None of the others are even in the bottom third.  Like Trump redefined how they do the scale, since his presidency was so actively harmful it is not far to rank those that did very little lower anymore.

Like lists I see are:

Grant
Buchanan
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Trump

So deep dive into the House rules shows Trump cannot serve as speaker even if elected because was indicted for a felony. So before a speaker vote they would need to change house rules, which is believed not to be allowed until a speaker is elected.

Oct 5, 2023 2:51:03 GMT iNCY said:

Oct 4, 2023 23:49:45 GMT All34LOL said:

Don’t really disagree with anything here except the part about “he means it”. He does not.

And I have spent most of my life believing compromise was possible and essential. But they broke me, trump and the pinion polls mattering more than results broke me. Their compromise position these days is to far to right for me. Even if it wasn’t there isn’t any compromise coming.

Don't weigh into the mind virus...
Bush Jr, Obama, Trump & Biden are all equally poor politicians.
Trump no better or worse a politician than any of them.

Oh no he’s way worse.

He’s only popular cause he’s mean to so called “liberals”.

Bush
Biden
Obama

Those dudes may or my not have my best interest at heart.

There’s no doubt with trump. He’d sell us all for a fraction of what we are worth for another gold toilet.


You want to put all down to results. Which I agree is most important thing. And none of them have delivered. The difference is the other three at least somewhat believe they are doing the right thing. Trump doesn’t know the right thing, couldn’t understand it he did, and can’t be taught. He is hands down the most do nothing? Get nothing done terible person to ever sit in that office.

I know you’re no fan of his and not meaning to paint it that way. If he gets elected again there will never be another fairly elected person in this version of the US again. We may not have a country either way I’ll concede. But I KNOW we won’t with him.

Just look at the raw stats. Impeached twice. Indicted for crimes that occured while he was in office. Encouraged a riot at the capital. Attempted to alter the results of a lawful election.

By comparison Obama is ranked usually in the top third, albeit in the lower end. Biden will be placed likely at the top of the middle. W tends to be near the bottom for the financial meltdown. But post Trump this needs to be reconsidered given how much Trump fucked up the economy due to COVID mismanagement and the graft heavy PPP.

Clearly though Trump is in a league of his own. Only really Buchanan is in his league, but unlike Buchanan, Trump's issues w were due to his actions, not inaction.

Look at how Harding is remembered to see what Trump's legacy is going to look like.

Senate GOP saying a shutdown may be inevitable due to MAGA Extremists in the House.

Senate GOP, the fiscal hawks, do not agree at all with Gaetz.

GOP in AK are asking for a corruption investigation of Sarah Huckabee Sanders. They want to know if her team is incredible stupid, or actually corrupt after an altered invoice was presented related to a $19,000 lectern then blocked requests for other records on spending related to her office.

No be shocked if this ends with her removed from office. Seen this same thing in CT numerous times.

www.alternet.org/sarah-huckabee-sanders-2665801193

Trump planning on visiting DC to whip speaker support it seems.

apnews.com/article/trump-speaker-mccarthy-capitol-hill-432f89f6826b2b4f51990ae4b4d293fb

In theory if he is speaker and can impeach Biden and Harris at the same time he becomes president again.