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Post by 🤯 on Apr 28, 2020 18:15:27 GMT
I mean, it's no English Patient... that's for sure. But it probably could've cut 30 minutes and been just as good if not better. What would you cut? Anything that isn't tits or a battle scene. DUH. :ness:
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Post by Ness on Apr 28, 2020 18:22:47 GMT
Never seen it but it was my Dad's favorite for a while. Had it on a recorded vhs tape. Let me bdighbot borrow it and had to reclaim it 6 months later. Why do people do that? Watch it the day you borrow or within a week then return. It's a rental not a gift you piece of shit.
Basically fuck Chris.
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Post by 🤯 on Apr 28, 2020 18:24:16 GMT
Never seen it but it was my Dad's favorite for a while. Had it on a recorded vhs tape. Let me bdighbot borrow it and had to reclaim it 6 months later. Why do people do that? Watch it the day you borrow or within a week then return. It's a rental not a gift you piece of shit. Basically fuck Chris. What is "bdighbot borrow"? Is that like Indian giving?
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Post by Ness on Apr 28, 2020 18:48:10 GMT
Never seen it but it was my Dad's favorite for a while. Had it on a recorded vhs tape. Let me bdighbot borrow it and had to reclaim it 6 months later. Why do people do that? Watch it the day you borrow or within a week then return. It's a rental not a gift you piece of shit. Basically fuck Chris. What is "bdighbot borrow"? Is that like Indian giving? my friend... damn typos.
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Post by Shootist on Apr 28, 2020 18:48:41 GMT
I also had Braveheart at 12, it made a lasting impact on me as I first saw it in school (complete with permission slips for the tits and gore.) It was a labor of love for Gibson and it showed in both his performance and directing. It also had a fantastic score by the late great James Horner. I think it is a more digestible epic since Gibson pretty much molded into a Scottish version of the story of Christ. Again with the likes of Apocalypse Now this is another epic that I have no problem reaching for off the shelf to watch. It also has one of the defining scenes and speeches of the 90's as he addresses the troops. Braveheart is an essential addition to this list.
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Post by 🤯 on Apr 28, 2020 18:50:31 GMT
I also had Braveheart at 12, it made a lasting impact on me as I first saw it in school (complete with permission slips for the tits and gore.) It was a labor of love for Gibson and it showed in both his performance and directing. It also had a fantastic score by the late great James Horner. I think it is a more digestible epic since Gibson pretty much molded into a Scottish version of the story of Christ. Again with the likes of Apocalypse Now this is another epic that I have no problem reaching for off the shelf to watch. It also has one of the defining scenes and speeches of the 90's as he addresses the troops. Braveheart is an essential addition to this list. HHH & Flair's version of the speech headed into WM21 was better. :suspic:
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Post by UT on Apr 28, 2020 18:56:25 GMT
I also had Braveheart at 12, it made a lasting impact on me as I first saw it in school (complete with permission slips for the tits and gore.) It was a labor of love for Gibson and it showed in both his performance and directing. It also had a fantastic score by the late great James Horner. I think it is a more digestible epic since Gibson pretty much molded into a Scottish version of the story of Christ. Again with the likes of Apocalypse Now this is another epic that I have no problem reaching for off the shelf to watch. It also has one of the defining scenes and speeches of the 90's as he addresses the troops. Braveheart is an essential addition to this list. HHH & Flair's version of the speech headed into WM21 was better. :suspic: Shut up Shortshank. :@
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Post by thereallt on Apr 28, 2020 20:54:31 GMT
Pi is smoking that good shit right now. I had Braveheart ranked at #5. Sure it will make a history buff cry, but the casting, acting, costumes, direction and spirit are dead on. It's one of the few epic movies I will plant my ass on the couch and watch whenever it's on. Even the cable version with all the commercials
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Post by Emperor on Apr 28, 2020 21:26:52 GMT
I really want to know thereallt's complete list of movies that he will plant his ass on the couch and watch whenever they're on. Braveheart, Shawshank Redemption. I'm sure there are others.
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Post by Ness on Apr 28, 2020 21:29:05 GMT
I think once 100 completes we need to get to individual lists like the Ass Planter one.
No Lionheart ones though. FUCK THAT.
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Post by thereallt on Apr 28, 2020 21:41:40 GMT
I really want to know thereallt 's complete list of movies that he will plant his ass on the couch and watch whenever they're on. Braveheart, Shawshank Redemption. I'm sure there are others. Goodfellas, Unforgiven, Pulp Fiction, The Dirty Dozen, Conan the Barbarian, The Good the Bad and The Ugly, The Terminator. There are others as well, but that's a good start.
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Post by Emperor on Apr 28, 2020 22:09:01 GMT
The Ass Planter List. Great title. We need to do this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 22:49:53 GMT
Ass Planter list sounds good:
Shawshank Nearly anything Paul Newman or Steve McQueen A bunch of others.
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Post by 🤯 on Apr 28, 2020 22:56:52 GMT
I'm down to plant ass. Let me know when we're doing that list.
Don't get me wrong, I don't outright hate Braveheart. It's just B tier. Like same class as Heat. Nothing wrong with that. A good action movie that's a little long in the tooth and might cause your butt cheeks to fall asleep if you plant ass for the whole 3+ hours.
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Post by The Kid on Apr 28, 2020 23:07:21 GMT
So pumped for the top 10.
I went 0-5 on 11-15 which blows my mind.
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Post by iron maiden on Apr 28, 2020 23:12:03 GMT
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Post by Shootist on Apr 28, 2020 23:28:39 GMT
Hmmm... ass planter list, that pretty much equates to my favorites list which we are doing for number 100 right?
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Post by UT on Apr 28, 2020 23:46:27 GMT
Hmmm... ass planter list, that pretty much equates to my favorites list which we are doing for number 100 right? That’s what I was thinking. My #1 ass plant movie may not be my #1 movie though. It’s close.
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Post by UT on Apr 29, 2020 13:34:20 GMT
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Post by UT on Apr 29, 2020 13:50:01 GMT
My #1 , probably my favorite movie of all time. Happy to see it make the top ten. Now we await thereallt and his talking points , mainly: "Ghostface isn't scary and gets his ass kicked" Which is a silly argument. First and foremost as I have said in the past I find Ghostface to be the most realistic and anonymous killer which in turn makes him the scarier than most villains. The fact that he could be anyone from your own father , to your boyfriend to your best friend and you could be sitting right next to him at anytime makes it terrifying. You don't have to fall asleep , or go to a specific camp or be in Lauries circle - you are literally at risk at any point at any day. As for him getting his ass kicked , that happens in every movie. Freddy gets pulled from a dream and gets the shit kicked out of him by Nancy in Home Alone fashion. In fact Craven did this in a ton of horror movies including Hills Have Eyes - it was a staple of his horror. Michael Myers gets one upped by Laurie again and again before he gets to her and Loomis saves the day. Mrs. Voorhees gets fucked up by Alice in the end , and flat out loses a battle and gets her head chopped off and that doesn't make her any less terrifying. Point being that the killer getting beaten up in staple horror movies is pretty commonplace and it's silly to hold it against Ghostface because you don't like the movie. Also at least Scream and Ghostface adhere to the rules their movies created. This is getting more into the sequels but the franchise is the most true to the original rules it set out where as NOES is all over the place with Freddy and the rules and the same goes for the Friday franchise. Halloween does to an extent as well , including the original where Michael Myers is already superhuman by the end of the movie. It's fine but it also can take out you of the movies from time to time. You don't get that in scream. On top of all the Scream was original and influential to so many movies and it's contribution to pop culture is significant. Not only did it create a boom in 90's teen horror because of it's success but it was so successful they created , shot , and released the sequel within a year to massive success. It was also vital in creating a new generation of horror fans who went back and checked out old horror movies because of its references in the movies. I shudder to think how many people would never have went back and see the original Halloween , Nightmare or Friday movies if not for Scream pointing them in that direction. You want to talk about the dialogue not being for you , fine , but that doesn't make it bad. It was written to be quirky and self referential and while that may turn some people off I think it's brilliant. As a huge fan of horror its awesome to see characters react to the possibility of being in their own horror movie but written in a way that can actually connect to teens. I don't even remember all your silly qualms with the movie , and you are entitled to not like it - especially because I assume you weren't in the right age range to enjoy it when it came out. To everyone who was though , and especially fans of horror and slashers - very few movies hit all the same notes and connect in such a way.
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Post by 🤯 on Apr 29, 2020 13:50:39 GMT
thereallt, please illuminate PW on why Scream should not be ranked ahead of Braveheart... much less Saving Private Ryan.
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Post by UT on Apr 29, 2020 13:57:12 GMT
thereallt , please illuminate PW on why Scream should not be ranked ahead of Braveheart... much less Saving Private Ryan. It's really comparing apples and handgrenades. And LT is going to be wrong - just stating that ahead of time.
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Post by iron maiden on Apr 29, 2020 14:42:52 GMT
I live in thereallt's world where Scream is crap. Course I'm not a fan of horror films, even cheese ones like Scream but that's my personal choice and why it didn't make my list. I can see your points though UT, but using your logic Twilight better be #1 on your YA movie list then.
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Post by UT on Apr 29, 2020 14:50:49 GMT
What logic is that? Popularity? Twilight was incredibly popular but I wouldn't say it changed the genre or movie business in the ways Scream did. It capitalized on an incredibly popular book series and *I guess* maybe brought sexy vampires into the forefront of pop culture but yeah - I wouldn't say they accomplished the same things.
Also I didn't hate Twilight , it might make the bottom of my list. Not sure. It's not something I would EVER go back and rewatch but dating my wife back then we seen them all in the theatres and I've had worse experiences. There were some cool things about them. #TeamJacob
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Post by 🤯 on Apr 29, 2020 14:50:53 GMT
Also at least Scream and Ghostface adhere to the rules their movies created. THIS. This is such an important thing to me. Huge reason why I hate so many zombie movies. Even if you don't want to fill your film or show with exposition explaining the laws of the land governing your universe, I still want implied evidence that such laws have been thought through thoroughly and are consistently respected. It's what helps me suspend my disbelief and buy into the world you're presenting. When the laws aren't thought through and/or are tossed aside when it's convenient for lazy storytelling or cheap pop purposes... you almost always instantly lose me. I'm not saying shit has to be realistic per se... just thought-through and consistent. Applies to horror, sci-fi, fantasy, pro wrestling, etc. for me.
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Post by Ness on Apr 29, 2020 15:04:12 GMT
Not as high as I would have liked but depending what comes after (ie Gump) I'm fine with the placement.
Love the franchise even the tv series I recently discovered.
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Post by UT on Apr 29, 2020 15:10:51 GMT
Yeah NOES is probably the worst offender of this because it's such an open ended premise that there really are no exact rules. The original does a decent job with it but that's also introducing the rules and by the end they sort of throw those out the window. Like I love that movie and think it's incredible in so many ways but the ending kind of fucks so many premises they built along the way. And then there is the sequels in that franchise , especially #2 which completely shit all over the world and create a ton of new things. Dream Warriors does this too but it's a fun movie so its forgiven.
Friday fucks with the rules all the time , even switches killers and tries to get rid of Jason at one point. In the sequel Jason is a normal person who runs and chases and progressively they make him into an invincible zombie child. It makes for great and iconic entertainment but the original is pretty good at sticking to its own rules and even in the vein of Scream - making a nice whodunnit mystery.
Halloween is the GOAT but has some fucked up rules too , mainly Michael being an undeveloped murder crazed child killer in mans body but at the same time , coherant enough to drive , set up an entire display with headstones and all and then at the end the biggest fuck up being him being superhuman. Surviving multiple stabs , 6 shots and a 2nd story fall only to get up and walk away. Shits all over the premise he was just mortal human who escaped the institution and went on a killing spree.
Again these are all things I accept because I love these movies and franchises and horror in general but Scream set it self apart by borrowing it's rules from these movies and actually adhering to them and making them matter. Thinking in terms of horror movie rules was not something you seen in movies to this point and it was a brilliant exploration and execution of that vision. I want to state too for the record that there would be no Scream if not for these iconic slashers (obviously) so it owes a ton to them - but they also owe scream a ton as well for carrying them into more generations.
Last but not least , Sydney the final girl is also unique and this more speaks to the franchise but this is one of the few iconic horror franchises that actually puts the spotlight on the final girl. Laurie is gone after the first two (and back for 6) , Nancy is in two movies , Friday never has the same final girl ever and they all put the onus on the killer to carry the franchise .. Scream made a nice turn and put the onus on Sidney as a great character to carry the movies and she's done a remarkable job. That is her main claim in the argument to being the best ever. It's close between her and Nancy.
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Post by iron maiden on Apr 29, 2020 15:16:44 GMT
What logic is that? Popularity? Twilight was incredibly popular but I wouldn't say it changed the genre or movie business in the ways Scream did. It capitalized on an incredibly popular book series and *I guess* maybe brought sexy vampires into the forefront of pop culture but yeah - I wouldn't say they accomplished the same things. I don't disagree with your points about Scream changing it's genre and the movies, but I disagree with your statement about Twilight compared to Scream vehemently. You are talking about a franchise worth millions (Scream) over one that achieved Billions (Twilight), paved the way for Katniss and other big screen young heroines and changed Pop Culture and the fan experience forever. Not to mention saved an almost ghost town from catastrophe. Scream did all that too?
I understand that as a dude the Scream Franchise is much more relatable for you, but you can't say that Scream had more of an impact globally than Twilight did, cause that's just 100% wrong. Maybe a personal impact, sure but global, not a chance.
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Post by UT on Apr 29, 2020 15:26:40 GMT
I gave it credit for that , said it was incredibly popular and yes it made BILLIONS , but it also road the coattails of an incredibly popular book series and a diehard series of fans that would have seen those movies , especially the original regardless. Not to say it doesn't deserve credit and obviously it was a massive pop culture event over a number of years.
I don't think it really changed cinema though , Katniss is an infinetly better character than Bella - who was hardly a driving force of that movies success. It was the Jacob and Edward sex appeal and picking a side. She was a charisma challenged dumbass stuck in the middle. I would say that Katniss owes more credit to people like Ripley or Linda Connor as it's far more of an action role than a love story and she is a strong female lead , which Bella never was.
Again it deserves credit , I can't shit on its success and it created a movement. I'm not going to begin to say it was nearly as influential or important as Scream was to the genre. The YA Novel adaptations were never dead in the water the way horrors and slashers were before Scream came along.
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Post by UT on Apr 29, 2020 15:34:57 GMT
And I reiterate the popular source material it came from , akin to the MCU and the legion of diehards that are going to see the movies because of said source material and their love of it. It's really not the same type of thing like a Scream that really came out of nowhere and even struggled at first until word of mouth came around and people went to see it.
People weren't oblivious to Twilight before the first movie dropped. It didn't rely on word of mouth and innovation to create popularity - it already had hordes of fans waiting in line the night it dropped because Stephanie Myers created an incredibly popular series of books. Same with Harry Potter before that with die hard Potterheads. Or LOTR which came with a legion of decade long fans.
If anything Twilight owes more to Harry Potter than Hunger Games owes to Twilight.
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