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Post by System on Jun 19, 2020 1:49:20 GMT
A wave of sexual assault and harassment allegations hit Twitter Thursday as several names from WWE, NWA and across the wrestling scene have been accused of serious allegations by various women.
The trend speaks to an increasingly sinister developing story as several women of in and out of the wrestling industry are now using their platform to speak out against violence and sexual assault allegedly leveled against them.
One of the most prominent allegations implicates NWA Vice President Dave Lagana, who is being accused of sexual assault by a woman who goes by the name of Liz Savage on Twitter.
“After being friends with David Lagana for four years he sexually assaulted me,” said Savage.
“I moved to LA after two years of him asking me to come out. He told me I was a real friend to him as I had been there for him when he was at his lowest, he wanted to bring me out to LA for work.”
“He was back and forth between (ROH/TNA) companies at the time (2010) but told me if I came to LA he would put me on NWA Hollywood and he needed someone to help him make the wrestling promotion agency he wanted to run a reality. I could even stay with him until I got my place and he’d show me around. None of this happened except the moving part.”
Independent wrestler David Starr has also been under fire for sexual assault, allegations—allegations which he vehemently denies—as several independent wrestling promotions have cut ties with the embattled star.
As WWE NXT’s Jordan Devlin faces abuse allegations, fellow NXT UK stars Travis Banks and Tyler Bate also facing varying allegations.
AEW star Nyla Rose and WWE NXT UK stars Piper Niven and NXT UK women’s champion Kay Lee Ray have spoke out in support of the #SpeakingOut movement, which is reminiscent of the #MeToo movement that shook up Hollywood.
WWE has released an official statement in light of recent allegations against Jordan Devlin, stating:
“We take any allegation of this nature very seriously and are looking into the matter.”
Unofficial list of people with allegations against them ^
Search #SpeakingOut on twitter to see more on this.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 1:59:36 GMT
Well is WWE NXT UK still a thing?
Also is Bubblegum the same as Bubbles?
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Post by 🤯 on Jun 19, 2020 2:03:20 GMT
Whoa, coordinated assault!
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Post by nazzer on Jun 19, 2020 2:29:41 GMT
I think there have been some things said about Jim Cornette today as well.
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Post by System on Jun 19, 2020 2:39:40 GMT
I think there have been some things said about Jim Cornette today as well.
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Post by @admin on Jun 19, 2020 2:55:08 GMT
I mean we always knew this stuff was happening in wrestling, it's obviously a very sketchy industry where the most powerful person in it has managed to sail past scandals for years, but that doesn't make reading the details like all of these underage girls in the UK scene being treated like currency any easier to stomach.
It's disgusting that people like Dave Lagana have managed to move around and work in positions of power in numerous promotions when people have known he was a creep for a decade. Same with companies like Impact Wrestling employing wrestlers that are known domestic abusers like Michael Elgin and Moose and everyone just being fine with it.
Hopefully all this stuff coming out now causes some actual change. This shit is not OK.
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Post by NATH45 on Jun 19, 2020 3:55:34 GMT
The Jimmy Havoc stuff, sounds like Jimmy is a deeply disturbed person with mental health issues who did more abuse to himself, than the verbal abuse to his former girlfriend.
Marty Scrull was the one that caught me off guard. When I googled it, there were reddit threads ( whatever they're called ) talking about Marty in 2018. And an article from last week about Marty and Joey Ryan with 17 year old girls. Also grooming and abuse throughout the British scene in 2018.
I would think, Joey Ryan's act would make a lot of people uncomfortable - especially as he tends to work at the lower end of the independent scene with younger, and/or less maybe, initiated talent. And a lot of female workers at that.
I guess in any case like these you need clarity. Rape, sexual assault, harassment is one thing, and should be dealt with. And those abusers outed and charged. No way will I defend one of these scumbags. Emotional abuse is another thing, verbal abuse is another thing, a bad relationship consumed by fighting is another thing. You can have all those things in any relationship - whether it's a spouse, friend, co-worker, boss without it ever being sexual or predatory. It doesn't make it right, but there's a much more severe level of accountability with one and not the other.
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Post by nazzer on Jun 19, 2020 4:12:56 GMT
I guess in any case like these you need clarity. Rape, sexual assault, harassment is one thing, and should be dealt with. And those abusers outed and charged. No way will I defend one of these scumbags. Emotional abuse is another thing, verbal abuse is another thing, a bad relationship consumed by fighting is another thing. You can have all those things in any relationship - whether it's a spouse, friend, co-worker, boss without it ever being sexual or predatory. It doesn't make it right, but there's a much more severe level of accountability with one and not the other. Woah dude. Cancel culture does not have reasonable conversations. Be more angry!
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Post by nazzer on Jun 19, 2020 5:45:09 GMT
So this is what was said about Darby Allin by his ex.
I'm a little lost. I understand emotional abuse is bad, and being in an emotionally unhealthy relationship is definitely not good. But is someone having mental health problems and treating someone badly within a relationship on the same level of bad as fondling someone, grooming someone, drugging someone.
Or am I wrong and these are all equally as bad?
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Post by c on Jun 19, 2020 5:57:14 GMT
Sweet Saraya hinted about this stuff back during the #metoo stuff.
Every fan knew it was happening with shit like Sunny and Paige's meltdowns going public often showing the abuse.
Dave Lagana was into Liz for years, basically since I met her like 20 years ago. It was clear to anyone who knew her and he made no real attempts to hide it. It was also clear that when Liz went to LA something happened as she change quick and was almost a different person and nothing she talked about doing once she was out there she was interested in anymore. It was like it all got dropped almost instantly. She would not talk about it and she escaped to the protest scene I assume to get away from everything. From where I am standing story explains a lot.
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Post by NATH45 on Jun 19, 2020 6:02:30 GMT
nazzer, exactly my point. This story may represent 1/1000th of the stores told today.. yet, here's a suicidal man with mental health issues suddenly drawn into a debate about sexual abuse when based on what his ex has said here, that's not the case. Here we are potentially tarnishing a person - trial by social media - as a sexual predator/abuser, when it's not the case thus far. I know, it's not a great scenario by any means either.
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Post by @admin on Jun 19, 2020 6:12:47 GMT
Who are you guys arguing against here? Jimmy Havoc wasn't brought up here until you mentioned him, and all the discussion I've read around the internet agrees that obviously that situation is different to all the physical assault/harassment stories, instead being emotional abuse from someone who clearly has some serious mental issues and needs help to deal with his alcohol dependency. With that said, it doesn't minimise the trauma he's caused her, nor detract from her choosing to go public with that post today.
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Post by c on Jun 19, 2020 6:23:19 GMT
The emotional abuse can be far worse than physical or sexual abuse. Particularly the self-harm shit. Easy to dismiss but if you ever seen it in person or had to tape a wound to get them to person to the ER before they bleed out you see how fucking devastating that shit is. I used to get involved when I seen this shit and break the relationship up. It is where the Engel name originally came from. It was literally soul crushing to see the state these girls were in due to the abuse. At least when I seen this, most girls would swear up and down that no physical or sexual abuse happened, but later after years of therapy start to see they convinced themselves that it was their choice to have sex after they said no or it was there fault they were hit so it was not really abuse. From what I seen, outside of straight out torturing or killing someone, this is the worst form of abuse there is.
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Post by NATH45 on Jun 19, 2020 6:29:48 GMT
Who are you guys arguing against here? Jimmy Havoc wasn't brought up here until you mentioned him, and all the discussion I've read around the internet agrees that obviously that situation is different to all the physical assault/harassment stories, instead being emotional abuse from someone who clearly has some serious mental issues and needs help to deal with his alcohol dependency etc. As details were coming out, some of the leading reports had Jimmy Havoc's name attached. We're having a wider conversation than just the OP, as Havoc's name has been bought into this. Similarly to how the rest of the internet works, we're discussing how this is different.
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Post by Big Pete on Jun 19, 2020 11:23:00 GMT
0:27
You rapist motherfucker, I've seen the videos, I've seen the videos.
How did this not gain more traction?
It just drives me bananas...
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Post by NATH45 on Jun 19, 2020 11:55:03 GMT
Matt Riddle has been named now on the eve of his Smackdown debut.
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Post by @admin on Jun 19, 2020 11:56:06 GMT
There's also Nick Dinsmore making a joke about it during a Cornette roast in 2014. Very reminiscent of how there were jokes about Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein out there for years before everything truly came out.
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Post by 🤯 on Jun 19, 2020 12:42:53 GMT
Matt Riddle has been named now on the eve of his Smackdown debut. This one doesn't feel that surprising. Bro seems like a mega creeper.
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Post by RT on Jun 19, 2020 13:22:21 GMT
The Jimmy Havoc stuff doesn’t surprise me. Every dude who doesn’t grow out of his emo phase by like age 17 is like that.
I’m being facetious but you know what I mean.
Tyler Bate and Jordan Devlin being accused bothers me. I like those guys. I hope it isn’t true.
There’s going to be more names I’m sure. Matt Riddle the first pretty big name. I wonder what was said about him. He’s been married for a while hasn’t he? I wonder when these events took place. Yikes bro.
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Post by RT on Jun 19, 2020 13:28:57 GMT
Found the Matt Riddle stuff
If that’s true, then holy shit. Happened only 2 years ago and is pretty much flat out rape.
I’m not going to try and understand why victims think how they do, because I’ve never been one of sexual assault, but she starts by saying she didn’t know it was not ok. Why do so many people say that? Dude CHOKED YOU and you were so scared you blew him so he would leave you alone.
I don’t understand. I feel so bad for her.
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Post by Blindy on Jun 19, 2020 14:14:28 GMT
I mean we always knew this stuff was happening in wrestling, it's obviously a very sketchy industry where the most powerful person in it has managed to sail past scandals for years, but that doesn't make reading the details like all of these underage girls in the UK scene being treated like currency any easier to stomach. It's disgusting that people like Dave Lagana have managed to move around and work in positions of power in numerous promotions when people have known he was a creep for a decade. Same with companies like Impact Wrestling employing wrestlers that are known domestic abusers like Michael Elgin and Moose and everyone just being fine with it. Hopefully all this stuff coming out now causes some actual change. This shit is not OK. I do agree but I also know guys like Enzo and (maybe) Velveteen Dream have either lost their jobs or was on the verge of losing all they've built because of inaccurate reports for clout. I am all for believing the victim and not discrediting them but without 1000% proof, I am not ready to vilify the said people. Jim Cornette's shit is super sketchy though. Seems there is way too much smoke there with former OVW talent coming up to back up the gent who exposed his wife for being a cyber bully and sending nude pics and using Jim's power as a booker to go up the card. Jim would supposedly watch his wife get involved in some really wild shit and the male wrestler would have to swallow their pride and dignity to further their career by doing whatever his wife wanted him to do.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 14:18:45 GMT
Everyone's a predator pos. Don't get a hero they will let you down.
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Post by c on Jun 19, 2020 14:42:34 GMT
For the guys named by one person, yeah action at this point may be premature. But people like Cornette and Lagana who have been named by several people over a longer period of time, it is time to do something.
The UK scene needs to be addressed. Girls have been speaking out for decades about that scene. Particular'y Paige's mom.
The US indy scene too needs a deep look. You have girls like Portia Perez, Allison Danger and LuFisto apologizing they did not do enough in the past to prevent this from happening now. That should be concerning as hell.
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Post by Blindy on Jun 19, 2020 15:04:03 GMT
ROH also can't catch a break. They had so much shit go on with Gabe Spoelsky/Rob Feinstein, and then the Kelly Klein thing of last year that Joey Matthews went WWIII on and now they went all in and legit made Scrull their booker and shot caller and now this comes out.
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Post by RT on Jun 19, 2020 15:16:56 GMT
Accusation against Bram now. Physical and mental abuse. His ex posted a statement on twitter with pictures of a coffee table he allegedly smashed in a fit of rage.
With the names coming out you have to wonder what other British/Irish dudes are sweating this morning. Balor? Although he came up in Japan, not the UK. McIntyre? Imagine the current champ gets accused.
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Post by Blindy on Jun 19, 2020 15:21:16 GMT
Accusation against Bram now. Physical and mental abuse. His ex posted a statement on twitter with pictures of a coffee table he allegedly smashed in a fit of rage. With the names coming out you have to wonder what other British/Irish dudes are sweating this morning. Balor? Although he came up in Japan, not the UK. McIntyre? Imagine the current champ gets accused. Balor is like with Sabre Jr, they're really against this stuff and are pro LGBT and BLM and are the epitome of social justice. The fact that ZSJr wasn't even listed here pretty much cements how good of a guy he is. I know Catherine Kelley threw shade at Balor(They were dating) not too long ago but for the most part, he's been well liked as a trainer and as a performer. Pete Dunne seems also like a pretty good dude too. I think Tyler Bate was listed because he was sexting with a married woman which is nowhere near as vile as some of what has been put on here, so many what if's could be with that.
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Post by Emperor on Jun 19, 2020 16:16:43 GMT
Wonder what Will Ospreay did, or allegedly did?
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Post by RT on Jun 19, 2020 16:22:18 GMT
Riddle denies everything and says this woman has been harassing him. Gonna get messy for him. But he’s got money and lawyers, so...
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Post by RT on Jun 19, 2020 16:33:24 GMT
Accusation against Bram now. Physical and mental abuse. His ex posted a statement on twitter with pictures of a coffee table he allegedly smashed in a fit of rage. With the names coming out you have to wonder what other British/Irish dudes are sweating this morning. Balor? Although he came up in Japan, not the UK. McIntyre? Imagine the current champ gets accused. Balor is like with Sabre Jr, they're really against this stuff and are pro LGBT and BLM and are the epitome of social justice. The fact that ZSJr wasn't even listed here pretty much cements how good of a guy he is. I know Catherine Kelley threw shade at Balor(They were dating) not too long ago but for the most part, he's been well liked as a trainer and as a performer. Pete Dunne seems also like a pretty good dude too. I think Tyler Bate was listed because he was sexting with a married woman which is nowhere near as vile as some of what has been put on here, so many what if's could be with that. Yeah I mentioned Balor coming up in Japan on purpose. He wasn’t a big part of the scene being accused and at worst, probably knew about some stuff, if that. Also Bate seems to be forgiven already. Every comment I see is saying not to lump him in with everyone else for what he did. Two adults sending naughty messages to each other is nothing, and the married woman should be more in trouble than he is.
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Post by RT on Jun 19, 2020 16:35:42 GMT
Wonder what Will Ospreay did, or allegedly did? The only story I know about him is that he defended Scotty Wainwright after Pollyanna accused him of raping her. Ospreay also helped blacklist her and made Wainwright one of his Young Lions. I don’t know if there have been more stories since. This came out last year or so.
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