It's been common knowledge forever that Quack is a POS, but that line about tuition is so evil it's hilarious.

Jun 27, 2020 22:48:34 GMT c said:

The Quack stuff hurts. Bad. Seeing Lince speak out on him feels like a knife to the heart. Lince is the most vocal critic of CHIKARA of late.

Lince just flew off the handle at Quack saying his apology video is bullshit and said last week that when he was in the hospital after that awful botch where he had the seizure that Quack did not bother to ask how he was, just tell him he owned money for tuition.

Lies! I don’t believe you especially at this moment in your bs video! I tried to reached out through email and friends for over a decade! Tried to meet in person and have closure at the PC, coward! My closure is you being exposed! This will be my last tweet about this POS! See me

Wow! this is very hurtful to read. I've never liked Lince as a wrestler but I've gained respect for him after reading this.

Yeah Lince was never my favorite when he was in CHIKARA. Still not used to seeing him as Lince in WWE though. His seizure at Chapter 11 was one of the scariest things I ever seen in wrestling and the live reports I read were more chilling. Hearing that Quack basically fucked him despite everything is not good.

This was Quack's statement:



Watched it finally. Think Quack is being pretty fair. He went through the accusations and took full responsibility for almost all of the stuff. Also this was not the first time he heard most of these accusations.

I do not find it believable Quack would purposely hurt a student to the point they would no longer be able to wrestle. Frankly from a strictly financial standpoint it makes no sense. He did not really deny the rest of the accusations and it sounds like the one thing he truly has to change is if it is HIS school, he needs to RUN it. Sounds like a lot of this was shit he heard secondhand. I mean, at some point he needs to own up though. If it is his school, he needs to say this is not okay. Apologizing means nothing really if he does not change.

Hope he can recover from this, and get this shit all sorted out, but not so sure. Cancel culture is strong. He also did not address Lince I noticed and other people like Donst, Kingston, Hero and Claudio have been pretty silent.

Got caught up on the Quack stuff. Few people came out to defend him saying he is doing the right now and suggesting that CHIKARA may recover one day. A lot of people still want blood though.

Donst commented that he left CHIKARA because things were changing there and he was not feeling it anymore. Most people are still silent. Dasher, Bryce and Jigsaw all are upset but hope people remember CHIKARA for the good rather than the bad.

Icarus and Ophidian have been painfully quiet. Beginning to wonder if Ophidian is the trainer so many are speaking out against. The crucible storyline may not be entirely fiction it seems.

I think Mike Quackenbush could recover from this IF he just drops CHIKARA all together and distances himself from the name. It's tainted now, and people are going to be hesitant to tie their name to it.

If he started fresh with a wrestling school that he ran himself, I think people that still like him and believe him would flock to him.

If what he says is true then he should distance himself from those people and take matters into his own hands from now on. That's really his only way out of this and anything else is just him admitting more guilt.

I was not expecting that reaction from Quack. I thought he'd be defensive.

Jun 28, 2020 22:24:30 GMT RT said:

I think Mike Quackenbush could recover from this IF he just drops CHIKARA all together and distances himself from the name. It's tainted now, and people are going to be hesitant to tie their name to it.

If he started fresh with a wrestling school that he ran himself, I think people that still like him and believe him would flock to him.

If what he says is true then he should distance himself from those people and take matters into his own hands from now on. That's really his only way out of this and anything else is just him admitting more guilt.

CHIKARA is in off-season now and he can recover.  Almost all of those complaints were about Wrestle Factory, not CHIKARA itself.  He can save CHIKARA by actually promoting what CHIKARA stood for in the back instead of just to the fans.  CHIKARA itself has always been progressive.  They had gay workers, trans workers, women not confined to a division, ect.  They did amazing anti-bullying storylines, portrayed women as equal to men (and not just underdogs) and got a lot of international talent exposure in the US, promoting actual diversity on the big shows.  They stood for the right things until the first closing it seems.  When they reopened with Ashes it seems what they used to care about did not matter as much, particularly in the back.

To recover Quack will need to own his faults and change them.  And really CHIKARA is where to do it and push the shit he claimed to stand for.  Show what he always claimed, that wrestling can be more than simple entertainment and used for good.

And yeah, I expected Quack to go on the defensive.  Seeing him take responsibility for the school and the way he comes off was pretty unexpected.  Also he did address everything except for Lince who did not really state out a complaint but attached it to a series of them.  For the Lince shit that should be done privately anyway but believe it was also covered in Quack ghosting people and being a narcissist.  


Also while I could be wrong, I think the school is still open.  It sounds like Quack knew who all the accusations were against without the names, so hopefully the bag can get rooted out and the rest who still care about CHIKARA and the school can recover.  A class just graduated though before this broke so they are still meeting.

I thought season 20 was not the best since the shutdown but the most complete. Storyline progressed, not many people disappeared without storylines finishing or just disappear without reason, and most importantly, a new generation of Chikara was just starting to take flight. Yeah, things need to die down for a while but if everyone who wants to keep the Chikara name alive chooses to do so, I believe it still has a place in the wrestling landscape. Quack has some work to do on himself first of all.

The plus side is if Quack does actually recover maybe we will have less people disappear when not signed exclusively. Quack has a tendency to ghost and alienate people. Given everyone pretty much publicly quit the fed, looks like he will have to prove himself to rebuild, and hopefully get better with reaching out to people.

Eitherway CHIKARA needed a restart basically. They lost almost their entire roster to NXT / AEW and tried to transition from the loss but really a hard restart would be for the best storywise. If he shuts down until COVID passes, he can open in a year or so again, with a new roster, new characters and a tight story.

Ophidian retired. Says wrestling brought out of the worst in him and is no longer healthy for him.

c , What did Tim Donst say about his time in Chikara? I started watching AIW in 2012 because of him. I remember Tim plugging a match against Micheal Elgin. During the interview, Donst talked about hating the direction of his character after the hair vs mask match, leading into the awful storyline with Gavin Loudspeaker.

Yeah, saw his comments. 

Edit:  WOW I totally forgot about all that shit.  Yeah after the Kingston match they ruined Donst completely.  Then Quack wanted to do the happy Donst on antidepressants.  I cannot blame him for leaving.  He was RED hot in his feud with Kingston and Quack rewarded him with the shitty Gaven feud and burying him until he quit.  

You can always tell the company thinks highly of you when you feud with an announcer. And slightly unrelated, but c do you know why he went from Louden Noxious (or however it was) to Gavin Loudspeaker?

IIRC Louden was his ethnic Kaiju Big Battel name. He goes by Louden still outside of wrestling.


Weird, Jim Sterling just mentioned in a video the reason he moved to Philly was to work for CHIKARA.  That is something I totally did not know.  Not a super fan of his, but follow him a little since he took on the mantle of the late TB.

LUL just noticed I have like 7 people following me on Twitter. Donst is one of them.

Jul 1, 2020 5:55:04 GMT c said:

LUL just noticed I have like 7 people following me on Twitter. Donst is one of them.

Karma isn't real, but c certainly is.

For those who missed Kenny Johnson did one of his youtube docummentaries on Donst's retirement due to cancer and his return to the ring. Crazy watch.  He also appears in the VICE CZW Deathmatch documentary.

Jun 30, 2020 22:05:37 GMT @ness said:

You can always tell the company thinks highly of you when you feud with an announcer. And slightly unrelated, but c do you know why he went from Louden Noxious (or however it was) to Gavin Loudspeaker?

Because of an electrical accident.

In the latest "Dave Meltzer is a total dick" update, today he compared Will Ospreay to Hana Kimura. While it's obviously not good that Ospreay is suicidal, Meltzer's continued attempts to portray his friend in a positive light and make him out to be a victim here is absolutely not OK.

And in the latest "why the fuck are wrestlers still associating themselves with convicted child rapist Chasyn Rance and how on earth has he not been blackballed from the business" update - Ricochet, Kacy Catanzaro, Stacy Ervin Jr and Moose were training at his school. What is wrong with these people?

Do you enjoy the music of David Bowie @admin? Because he did the exact same thing, at the exact same age as Rance with a girl the exact same age as the one in this CR story.

Why David Bowie isn't being erased from history either is beyond me, and why we only prosecute some and not others makes the mind boggle.

Jul 17, 2020 3:43:11 GMT @admin said:

In the latest "Dave Meltzer is a total dick" update, today he compared Will Ospreay to Hana Kimura. While it's obviously not good that Ospreay is suicidal, Meltzer's continued attempts to portray his friend in a positive light and make him out to be a victim here is absolutely not OK.

And in the latest "why the fuck are wrestlers still associating themselves with convicted child rapist Chasyn Rance and how on earth has he not been blackballed from the business" update - Ricochet, Kacy Catanzaro, Stacy Ervin Jr and Moose were training at his school. What is wrong with these people?

It isn't comparable but I do think people need to lay off the guy. He wasn't the one who did the sexual assault, he just enabled it to an extent. Sounds like he gave his friend the benefit of the doubt when the friend royally fucked up. Not the same thing even if it isn't admirable what he and his GF Priestley did in the least. Ospreay hasn't been bullied the way Kimura got cyber bullied. He made a bad mistake, owned up to it if I recall in his twitlonger and that's it. 

And I think Rance has big control in the Florida territories and his ring which is fairly expensive to find a willing participant to share it is pretty much a hot commodity. Not going to fault Catanzaro as she's probably following her BF Ricochet wherever and doesn't seem like she's in the whole in's and out's of pro wrestling, especially Indy but Ricochet is from the Florida area so I think they are probably in cohoots. Moose has his baggage not too surprised with him. Don't think he cares about public perception anymore.

Were the allegations against Bowie ever substantiated? I've only had a brief look into it but it sounded like there were holes in the testimony, not that I would be shocked a rock star in the 70s did something abhorant.

I guess that's a larger discussion to be had, but I'd rather put the focus towards the current situation and allegations.

I don't like this trend of podcasters using Kimura's suicide for their own agendas. It's one thing to defend Ospreay, it's another to use this horrible situation to push back against the me too movement. Meltzer wasn't the only one mind you, Cornette was quick to use it to defend his wife and it was bullshit because Jim is one of the first to rubbish 'Japanese School Girl' wrestling.

Jul 17, 2020 14:44:38 GMT Blindy said:

Jul 17, 2020 3:43:11 GMT @admin said:

In the latest "Dave Meltzer is a total dick" update, today he compared Will Ospreay to Hana Kimura. While it's obviously not good that Ospreay is suicidal, Meltzer's continued attempts to portray his friend in a positive light and make him out to be a victim here is absolutely not OK.

And in the latest "why the fuck are wrestlers still associating themselves with convicted child rapist Chasyn Rance and how on earth has he not been blackballed from the business" update - Ricochet, Kacy Catanzaro, Stacy Ervin Jr and Moose were training at his school. What is wrong with these people?

It isn't comparable but I do think people need to lay off the guy. He wasn't the one who did the sexual assault, he just enabled it to an extent. Sounds like he gave his friend the benefit of the doubt when the friend royally fucked up. Not the same thing even if it isn't admirable what he and his GF Priestley did in the least. Ospreay hasn't been bullied the way Kimura got cyber bullied. He made a bad mistake, owned up to it if I recall in his twitlonger and that's it. 

And I think Rance has big control in the Florida territories and his ring which is fairly expensive to find a willing participant to share it is pretty much a hot commodity. Not going to fault Catanzaro as she's probably following her BF Ricochet wherever and doesn't seem like she's in the whole in's and out's of pro wrestling, especially Indy but Ricochet is from the Florida area so I think they are probably in cohoots. Moose has his baggage not too surprised with him. Don't think he cares about public perception anymore.

Is Rance that big of a deal? I struggle to find anything interesting on him online, apart from stat pages and an article linking him to a MTV show.

The man doesn't even have a Wikipedia page from my knowledge. There's a potential people will work with him because they don't know who he is.. Kenny " all inclusive " Omega did.



Have any investigations been held, outcomes, charges, etc? Relating to any of the claims made last month?

Jul 17, 2020 3:43:11 GMT @admin said:

In the latest "Dave Meltzer is a total dick" update, today he compared Will Ospreay to Hana Kimura. While it's obviously not good that Ospreay is suicidal, Meltzer's continued attempts to portray his friend in a positive light and make him out to be a victim here is absolutely not OK.

Dave Meltzer is rapidly losing credibility. On Twitter, he rambles as if he's struggling with onset dementia. I'm not even joking, he makes no sense and the hoops he's willing to jump through to normalise his own biases is not becoming of a professional journalist. Neutrality is key to good journalism. While not as serious as this Ospreay/Kimura stuff, one thing I noted about Melzter a few months ago is that he defended his super-high rating of all things AEW by saying that as long as the fans in the arena love it, that's all that matters. Meanwhile, the most over wrestling match of all time - Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant, in front of 90,000 screaming fans - was rated minus 4 stars, and still is to this day.

Dave Meltzer is a disgrace. His silence on Ospreay in the days after the allegations was deafening, and this contortion he's trying to pull off to position Ospreay as a victim is appalling. It would be appalling coming from a wrestling fan like you or I, but from the leading journalist in the genre, it's beyond atrocious. In my eyes, he's an influencer now. While his journalistic ability is very good, his credibility is shot because he's more interested in using influence to boost his popularity with wrestlers, than of reporting facts. Fuck Dave Meltzer.

Jul 18, 2020 13:14:11 GMT Todd said:

Jul 17, 2020 3:43:11 GMT @admin said:

In the latest "Dave Meltzer is a total dick" update, today he compared Will Ospreay to Hana Kimura. While it's obviously not good that Ospreay is suicidal, Meltzer's continued attempts to portray his friend in a positive light and make him out to be a victim here is absolutely not OK.

Dave Meltzer is rapidly losing credibility. On Twitter, he rambles as if he's struggling with onset dementia. I'm not even joking, he makes no sense and the hoops he's willing to jump through to normalise his own biases is not becoming of a professional journalist. Neutrality is key to good journalism. While not as serious as this Ospreay/Kimura stuff, one thing I noted about Melzter a few months ago is that he defended his super-high rating of all things AEW by saying that as long as the fans in the arena love it, that's all that matters. Meanwhile, the most over wrestling match of all time - Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant, in front of 90,000 screaming fans - was rated minus 4 stars, and still is to this day.

Dave Meltzer is a disgrace. His silence on Ospreay in the days after the allegations was deafening, and this contortion he's trying to pull off to position Ospreay as a victim is appalling. It would be appalling coming from a wrestling fan like you or I, but from the leading journalist in the genre, it's beyond atrocious. In my eyes, he's an influencer now. While his journalistic ability is very good, his credibility is shot because he's more interested in using influence to boost his popularity with wrestlers, than of reporting facts. Fuck Dave Meltzer.

To be fair, he only got this way because people like The Young Bucks praise him and even named a finishing move "The Meltzer Driver" and would give him internal sources on everything. Back when he didn't care about burning bridges with the WWF, he was better but since he has gotten involved in this type of stuff, he has easily gotten tougher to tolerate. It's just as much on the wrestlers as it is Meltzer.

I think Meltzer saying Peyton Royce(Who is a total babe) was "busted" or trying to imply that she was far prettier/better looking in NXT vs she is now was the real eyebrow raising moment for me with him. I think something is wrong with the guy....maybe it's the age? 

Jul 17, 2020 17:01:47 GMT Big Pete said:

Were the allegations against Bowie ever substantiated? I've only had a brief look into it but it sounded like there were holes in the testimony, not that I would be shocked a rock star in the 70s did something abhorant.

Lets face it, you had the chance to fuck Ziggy Stardust, you would not let a silly thing like age hold you back.  

The story broke right before Bowie died, and it is said that Lori Mattix was dating Jimmy Page at the time and others groupies of that era called her story into question and the timelines does not make sense as Bowie was not in LA when she claimed this to have happened.  But it could have happened as the revised story was they snuck into his hotel room uninvited and convinced a worn out Bowie to have sex with them.  He would not have known their ages, only that they were groupies.  Timeline places this event during the time that Bowie started to use cocaine, which would go on to consume his life.  It could very well be true that the girls found a Bowie that was coked out of his mind that had sex with them.  From 1972 to 1976 Bowie went on a insane cocaine binge that should have killed him.  He said around the time this occured the drugs made it so he could no longer separate himself from Ziggy Stardust and that he was having serious mental health problems.  But it was noted during this tour Bowie did keep to himself a lot and was very anti-social.  So yeah, he could have slept with the girls, but it is not likely due to other issues.  If he did, it was very much a crash of two sets of people on paths of self-destruction and something very different from that conversation people are having today.

This was taken at the tail end of that era right as he was becoming the Duke.  It is clear he was not a well man.



As for investigations, only in the UK have there been investigations. Some people have been fired, others blackballed, but no one charged and no private investigations. Generally the workers know which stories are legit and which are not. Basically for the guys who did get fired or blackballed, these stories were already known most likely. Wrestling communities are gossipy as all hell.

Not sure why people treat Meltzer as something other than a mark. He is a fan just like all of us. Nothing more, nothing less.

Apart from launching a lawsuit against the accusers, Joey Ryan has gone full Christian posting a photo of himself, as a child kneeling in front of a priest.

Got to love how at the end of all this you basically get Paige's mom not wanting to really have much to do with wrestling anymore, no more CHIKARA and Joey Ryan having his push stopped.

Meanwhile Dream is on TV still, Lars Sullivan is on TV and dick all really changed. We did it boys, we fixed wrestling.

I imagine the impact would have been larger in the independent companies, especially those in the UK. I know the issues were investigated quite seriously by the police in the UK when it all kicked off. Don't know how it ended though, I lost track.

Oct 11, 2020 20:43:43 GMT NATH45 said:

Apart from launching a lawsuit against the accusers, Joey Ryan has gone full Christian posting a photo of himself, as a child kneeling in front of a priest.

He has found the light, he's followed the path of Shawn Michaels and has become a born again Christian and thinks whatever he has done is excused because he is a believer.