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Post by 🤯 on Sept 13, 2020 20:08:51 GMT
Well that's scary but glad it wasn't anything super serious. Sounds like it's manageable. Apparently nothing even to manage any more. Like, the surgery just fixes it. So, like son is all better and cured now. I'll take it! As Jumpin' Jeff Farmer would say... Yip.
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Post by Emperor on Sept 13, 2020 21:56:42 GMT
Sounds like a rough ordeal, but the important thing is that son is OK and he will soon be eating like baby Brock. Hooray!
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Post by rad on Sept 13, 2020 21:57:14 GMT
Thank fucking gawd Lil' Slice is alright! Much love to you guys! Also love Son's Like Button onesie, absolutely perfect.
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Post by iNCY on Sept 13, 2020 23:26:51 GMT
Well that's scary but glad it wasn't anything super serious. Sounds like it's manageable. Apparently nothing even to manage any more. Like, the surgery just fixes it. So, like son is all better and cured now. I'll take it! As Jumpin' Jeff Farmer would say... Yip. So... Firstly, I am glad everything is okay with your son, I was really worried there. Having children is so stressful. Secondly, if you ever make me worry about you like that again I will gut you like a fish!!!! :@ Thirdly, a tight sphincter definitely didn't come from Dads side of the family :lol:
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Post by All34LOL on Sept 14, 2020 1:14:25 GMT
I fucking love you all. Yinz made me cry happy tears like a little bitch with all your outpouring of love and support. Cliché as fuck, sure... But PW is family. Leetle Seester in-law smuggled in a charger for us, so back in action. Also through the thick of things, so have a little more mental/emotional bandwidth to update yinz. Not to bury the lead, but things seem to be working out good here finally. We'll hopefully be getting discharged to go home any hour now. The quick background... son had started puking about two weeks back now, with frequency and velocity and volume steadily increasing to the point it was getting really hard not to believe friends and family and even the nurse's desk at the pediatrician that babies just puke... It's what they do. Wife —being the genius and amazing mom she was clearly meant to be— helped connect dots on some other symptoms earlier this week, and we strong-armed the pediatrician into seeing son on Wednesday. Pediatrician was like, well... This could be nothing, but not a bad idea to get an ultrasound just for peace of mind to rule out this one unlikely hard to pronounce problem. So we get an ultrasound scheduled for the next afternoon with radiology at Children's Hospital. Radiologist does her thing and is like, uh... We need to get a hold of your pediatrician. son apparently has/had pyloric stenosis, which as we've come to understand it in layman's terms is his sphincter muscle is too thick to allow food to pass from his stomach through to his intestines. Hence all the vomit, stomach distension, weight gain stagnation, lethargy, etc. Hilariously this is apparently an issue that mostly happens to first born white males. I guess that demographic is so privileged otherwise, nature had to come up with something to teach them a little adversity? Anyway, at least son and BROCK LESNAR!!~ now have having gastrointestinal tract issues in common. Something for them to bond over between wrestling lessons! Anyway, where were we? Oh, yeah, suddenly on a conference call with the radiologist and pediatrician. son needs surgery, we need to go downstairs to ER to be admitted. Uhhh, ok... What? Talk about making shit suddenly seem terrifying. Gravy on the poutine to the situation was son hadn't eaten since noon so that his stomach would be theoretically empty for the ultrasound at 3pm. We get down to ER and admitted, thinking son will be taken back into the OR any minute. Instead... We wait. And wait. While son starves. And no one informs us of anything. No real plan. No status updates. Every hour or so we're asked if the surgeon has been by to see us (no...); then told, oh... we, the surgeon will be any minute... Finally around 11pm they transfer us up to a patient room. We figured maybe this is where the surgeon would finally come see us and brief us. Nope. We deduce on our own that surgery now isn't happening until sometime Friday. At least one of the nurses was straight-up Mary Poppins magical though, so that was nice as far as helping to sooth son who's supposed to be eating every 3 hours and instead is nearing 12 on an empty stomach. A doc finally comes in around midnight, recaps us on what pyloric stenosis is and what the surgery entails. OK, great. When will the surgery be? No idea. Schedule for Friday is already set, and you're an add-on. First availability, if there is any. Otherwise rinse and repeat and hope for an opening Saturday. Dafuq!?!? 24 hours after his ultrasound, son is finally slotted in. The trip into the depths of the OR was actually the best part of everything in so far as the surgeon we finally got was very communicative and clear (had a sexy Australian accent to boot), surgery went according to plan and timeline (perhaps even faster than expected), and we were back in the patient room by 5pm thinking we'd be heading home in a few hours. The surgery was a laparoscopy and involved cutting the muscle so the inner tissue could/would bulge out through the outer tissue and thereby create a bigger opening. Scars will be three tiny holes, including one through his just-healed belly button. He'll match his mama from where she had her surgeries to clean her endo off her bowels. Feeling a little bit like I need to get my guts cut on now to feel like a proper member of the club. Anyway... To go home, we were told son would need to eat two 2oz meals three hours apart and keep them both down. Docs and nurses made it sound easy peasy. son gets his first 2oz of food 33 hours after the last time he was allowed to eat anything. What a tough fucking trooper! And he holds it down. Until just before the next feeding. Each puke resets the counter. He puked up his second attempt at 2oz three hours later again. So reset again. Third attempt 12 hours after the first was a puke too, which Mom & Dad knew was coming. Docs said fuck it, don't feed him again for a bit, plug him back into the IV. Is what it is, we guess. By this point, even though no one communicated it explicitly to us, it was clear we'd be spending another night. Don't feed him again for a bit turned into like another 8 hours without food. Then, yesterday (Saturday? We've lost all sense of time and day) we tried giving him just 1oz. He kept that down, so we tried 1.5oz a few hours later. Then a few hours later, just before midnight, we tried 2oz again. He kept it down this time, but we were in for another overnight since he'd have to hold down a second consecutive 2oz. Which... He did! We're now up to four in a row, about to attempt a fifth before being discharged. All in all, as unexpected and scary as all this has been over the past however many days... Still wouldn't trade or change a thing. Everything happens the way it's meant to and all works out eventually. As hard and terrifying as this parenting thing can be, it's definitely super worth it. You just man those foxholes, do what you can do, love as hard as you can love, and be thankful for all the support you're fortunate enough to have. And for us, that includes our extended family on PW; i.e., yinz. Also, best part about all of this over the past few days... Discovering Wife might be just as into AOC as me. So perhaps a three-way to celebrate one day? Maybe once she's elected as first-ever female and youngest president. We'll paint the walls of the White House white. To close things out until we get home, here's some pics... One for all of our extended PW family: And one specifically for Uncle @ness: ... I'll catch up on missed shit and backfill required likes as soon as I can! This is a very familiar story. Almost identical to a thing that happened to us and our infant son. In fact they thought my son had pyloric stenosis as well. Turned out to be something else after ultrasound. But yeah trip for an ultrasound and the drive back to the pediatrician and on to a hospital with surgeons and drs and so much. Anyway very glad it’s working out for your family. And hope things continue in that direction.
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 14, 2020 3:15:16 GMT
Apparently nothing even to manage any more. Like, the surgery just fixes it. So, like son is all better and cured now. I'll take it! As Jumpin' Jeff Farmer would say... Yip. So... Firstly, I am glad everything is okay with your son, I was really worried there. Having children is so stressful. Secondly, if you ever make me worry about you like that again I will gut you like a fish!!!! :@ Thirdly, a tight sphincter definitely didn't come from Dads side of the family :lol: Apologies on the first point. On the second, I feel like that's the exact same sentiment I was extending to son once it finally felt like we were out of the woods early this morning. Any parenting tips to preempt all future worries? Worrying so much is definitely super taxing! On the third point, dad's sphincters actually undulate between the two extreme ends of the spectrum. When I'm embedded in the comfort of my own routine, you'd be hard pressed to find looser poop shoot. However, a little irregularity like travel or an unexpected hospital visit, and my onion rings clamp up tighter than Virgin Mary's twat. This is a very familiar story. Almost identical to a thing that happened to us and our infant son. In fact they thought my son had pyloric stenosis as well. Turned out to be something else after ultrasound. But yeah trip for an ultrasound and the drive back to the pediatrician and on to a hospital with surgeons and drs and so much. Anyway very glad it’s working out for your family. And hope things continue in that direction. Man, I'm sorry you had to go through something similar. I'm a little jealous you had a small window of opportunity between ultrasound, pediatrician, and ER. Here's hoping you had a chance to grab your go bag, and more importantly here's hoping everything got sorted OK for your little one. In his case, what did it end up being if not pyloric stenosis? While Wife and I are glad son had it and we weren't crazy after all and it's a fixable thing, we're also still in PTSD mode over what's next and/or what else could be wrong now if he starts puking again. Figure maybe we can be on the potential lookout for whatever Lil Spot has/had?
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 14, 2020 3:16:00 GMT
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Post by @admin on Sept 14, 2020 6:43:41 GMT
Very glad to hear everything's alright Pizzle. Son was in good hands with that Aussie surgeon.
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Post by iNCY on Sept 14, 2020 9:54:26 GMT
Uncle 🤯, Your little fella is growing so quick mate... He's a good looking rooster, must take after Mom. Hope you are settling back into a routine now and he is keeping his food down. Babies are super stressful because you cannot know what is wrong, it's all just intuition, google and guessing. There's also no such thing as expert parents, every child is completely different. Seen so many parents think they were hot shit with their parenting then the second or third child comes and no sells their parenting and makes them look like dark match jobbers at a house show. Our kids couldn't have been more different, but nobody with 50% my genes is going to be easy... Which reminds me, say hello to the Wife, for me.
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 14, 2020 12:44:52 GMT
Uncle 🤯, Your little fella is growing so quick mate... He's a good looking rooster, must take after Mom. Hope you are settling back into a routine now and he is keeping his food down. Babies are super stressful because you cannot know what is wrong, it's all just intuition, google and guessing. There's also no such thing as expert parents, every child is completely different. Seen so many parents think they were hot shit with their parenting then the second or third child comes and no sells their parenting and makes them look like dark match jobbers at a house show. Our kids couldn't have been more different, but nobody with 50% my genes is going to be easy... Which reminds me, say hello to the Wife, for me. Just imagine how much bigger he'd be had he been able to actually properly digest the past 10+ days of feedings! His frame seems big to me for a baby, just need to pack on the chub now. Although, part of me does like the idea of son already having a six pack for living vicariously reasons. "Intuition, Google, and guessing" - Hospitals could save a lot of ink and paper on new parent pamphlets by just printing this much more concise and infinitely more accurate nugget of fact. We definitely felt like jobbers out of water in the main event a la Miz at WM27 over those 95 hours... At least we didn't have a not-even part-time Rock swoop in to ruin our moment and steal our spotlight though. Also, why the fuck is Wife saying "Ahhh, yes, iNCY... I remember him fondly"!? 🤨
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Post by iNCY on Sept 14, 2020 13:16:10 GMT
Also, why the fuck is Wife saying "Ahhh, yes, iNCY ... I remember him fondly"!? 🤨 *Fondling :brows:
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 14, 2020 14:00:55 GMT
Also, why the fuck is Wife saying "Ahhh, yes, iNCY ... I remember him fondly"!? 🤨 *Fondling :brows: This reminds me, I owe a response to Foos re: Wife's boobs.
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Post by iron maiden on Sept 14, 2020 15:36:53 GMT
You and your family were on my mind this whole time so I was greatly relieved to see that everything went well and that son is on the mend. He is indeed a handsome guy. As iNCY said, no doubt takes after mom. I must be related as I have the same scars as Wife and son. I hate to tell you this, but there the worrying never ends. Not even when they are grown and out on their own. Thank god I only have the one, I don't think my heart could take the worry that comes with more than one.
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Post by All34LOL on Sept 14, 2020 23:59:05 GMT
So... Firstly, I am glad everything is okay with your son, I was really worried there. Having children is so stressful. Secondly, if you ever make me worry about you like that again I will gut you like a fish!!!! :@ Thirdly, a tight sphincter definitely didn't come from Dads side of the family :lol: Apologies on the first point. On the second, I feel like that's the exact same sentiment I was extending to son once it finally felt like we were out of the woods early this morning. Any parenting tips to preempt all future worries? Worrying so much is definitely super taxing! On the third point, dad's sphincters actually undulate between the two extreme ends of the spectrum. When I'm embedded in the comfort of my own routine, you'd be hard pressed to find looser poop shoot. However, a little irregularity like travel or an unexpected hospital visit, and my onion rings clamp up tighter than Virgin Mary's twat. This is a very familiar story. Almost identical to a thing that happened to us and our infant son. In fact they thought my son had pyloric stenosis as well. Turned out to be something else after ultrasound. But yeah trip for an ultrasound and the drive back to the pediatrician and on to a hospital with surgeons and drs and so much. Anyway very glad it’s working out for your family. And hope things continue in that direction. Man, I'm sorry you had to go through something similar. I'm a little jealous you had a small window of opportunity between ultrasound, pediatrician, and ER. Here's hoping you had a chance to grab your go bag, and more importantly here's hoping everything got sorted OK for your little one. In his case, what did it end up being if not pyloric stenosis? While Wife and I are glad son had it and we weren't crazy after all and it's a fixable thing, we're also still in PTSD mode over what's next and/or what else could be wrong now if he starts puking again. Figure maybe we can be on the potential lookout for whatever Lil Spot has/had? So it was a very long time ago. He is 17 now. He was less than 6 months when it happened. It was a tumor. A very rare tumor in children. It was a very frightening and tumultuous time for our family. We all made it. Very glad your little mans thing wasn’t as serious. It was a very rare thing like I said and I’m sure nothing like that will happen with you guys. Hopefully I haven’t sparked paranoia in you.
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Post by Foos on Sept 15, 2020 2:23:52 GMT
*Fondling This reminds me, I owe a response to Foos re: Wife 's boobs. Like everyone else, so happy to hear about the good news. 🤯, remind me about Wife 's boobs? I legit don't know what I asked.
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Post by iNCY on Sept 15, 2020 8:19:54 GMT
Pregnant boobs are awesome... Breast feeding boobs, not so much.
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 15, 2020 8:46:15 GMT
Pregnant boobs are awesome... Breast feeding boobs, not so much. For some reason I thought this was an iron maiden post. Took me three times looking at it to realize it wasn't. Anyway... Quoted for truth. Foos, I think you'd asked how son was doing with feedings. Prior to nominating himself as mayor of Puke City, he'd been eating like a champ. As Doon as he was born, he was latching and devouring like a monster. He chomped harder than his dad has ever chomped gummies. Helped Wife feel OK about breastfeeding, but then she grew to hate it. She didn't like the sleep deprivation and pressure that came with being the sole food source. So started pumping strategically so as to give me some bottles but also not stimulate and over supply. But then she still hated breastfeeding because ginormous heavy leaky boobs are seto fun. I have no clue how breast sizes actually work after D, but she said she's like an E whenever they're full. And she'll wake up wet and sticky because she'll leak through her pads. I assure you all, she's not waking up wet and sticky because of me. In the biggest plot twist I wasn't expecting, lactating boobs are not a turn-on. They're purely functional. Utilitarian. Almost, dare I say it, farmn animal in purpose. And seeing them just reminds me of all the discomfort and inconvenience Wife has to endure. Second biggest plot twist was mother's milk not even being close to the greatest tasting liquid on earth. I was convinced I'd be competing with son for that supply, but... Nope. I'll take my whole milk lactaid ten times outta ten over it. Where were we? Oh, yeah... So Wife wanted to introduce some bottles of formula per day to help start weaning down her milk factories' production. son is nondiscerning, and eats like a labrador retriever at a casino buffet. So mother's milk from a boob or bottle or formula... It was all good, and all being devoured ravenously. Then the puking started and got worse. Wife thought maybe she had an overactive letdown and so tried to steer away from breastfeeding altogether. Still kept puking, even when we reigned bottle volumes in to 1oz. That's around when we finally escalated to pediatrician, and then ended up having our pyloric stenosis adventure. Now he's back to eating like a champ. Bottled breast milk so far. Bottles so we can track volume, and milk because it's easier to digest and pass than formula. Although today (errr... yesterday) was his one month birthday, so we said fuck it and gave him a little bit of dem tiddies too. Because of all the scare and missing the closeness, I think Wife wants to now keep feeding at least a meal or two per day from da bewbs. Probably later this week we'll gradually start to reintroduce a bottle or two of formula per day as well. Gotta keep that menu diverse!
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Post by iron maiden on Sept 15, 2020 16:03:41 GMT
I never breast fed. I was too sick after I had her so Caycee was a bottle fed baby, and I am very fortunate because overall she's been a very healthy baby, child and now young woman.
We had to change her from milk based formula to soy and now she has issues with lactose but overall, no issues.
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 15, 2020 17:24:05 GMT
I never breast fed. I was too sick after I had her so Caycee was a bottle fed baby, and I am very fortunate because overall she's been a very healthy baby, child and now young woman. We had to change her from milk based formula to soy and now she has issues with lactose but overall, no issues. Easy for me to say I suppose, but I hate how politicized and stigmatized the whole breastfeeding topic is. As long as mama feels good physically and emotionally, and baby is being nourished... Who gives a fuck. I feel so bad for any mamas who out undue self pressure on themselves, and hate any mamas or persons who judge and thus put pressure on other mamas for not doing something the "right" or "best" way. Fuck all that noise. Unless I missed the memo, this isn't a competition and there are no awards or rewards for most parenting points scored. And not that it's here nor there, but I was breastfed but ended up lactose fucked anyway by the time I went off to college. So I think milk can just be a sumbitch.
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Post by iron maiden on Sept 15, 2020 18:24:38 GMT
Oh I get tons of backlash when I tell people I didn't breast feed. First of all I couldn't, but I can't lie and say I wasn't relieved because I really didn't want to. I don't know why. I've always thought I wasn't very maternal, maybe this is proof.
I read somewhere that humans are the only mammals able to digest milk/lactose after infancy due to a mutation of the LCT gene and that it's more common in Africans and Europeans and thus lactose intolerance is more prevalent in other cultures.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 19:19:21 GMT
Of course 🤯 is for breast feeding. Anything to have a titty out LMAO.
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 15, 2020 19:57:46 GMT
Of course 🤯 is for breast feeding. Anything to have a titty out LMAO. I mean, I have tried to advance the argument that we formula feed son and Wife continue to breastfeed me...
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Post by iNCY on Sept 15, 2020 22:19:54 GMT
The lovely Mrs iNCY was a hell of a trooper, I don't think many people would have had a rougher breast feeding trot than her. For our first born with the undiagnosed tongue tie my wife got messed up pretty bad trying to feed and then ended up expressing for 12 months. Through like 5 serious cases of maatitis and other infections that required antibiotics.
Second you get a lot more used to seeking help when you need it and after an ugly month she settled into an uncomfortable path and fed our second until about 18 months when our daughter weened herself.
In Australia there is a big push for breastfeeding badsed on all sorts of studies fron iq through to immunity. They don't guilt trip, but the motto of breast is best is front and centre. I think the advice is at least 3 months, longer if you can. I do think formula has come a long way and there are people like IM or there is no other option.
I no longer think of breast feeding as a easy and natural thing, I have mad respect for every woman that does it, I also respect the whole child birth ordeal immensely. Mothers are super hero's.
But as a bloke... On the boob thing, it's like seeing your favourite theme park closed down so they can temporarily turn it into office space. Breast feeding is beautiful.... But not sexy.
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Post by Foos on Sept 16, 2020 2:59:11 GMT
My son also had a lip tie and tongue tie. But it was caught a bit earlier on. Had those snipped, and the latch was better. But those first few months were rough on my wife. Then he had acid reflux and was puking up all that delicious delicious boob juice unless he was held upright immediately after feeding. He ended up going on baby zantac for a while too. My son was exclusively breast fed until he weaned himself off, close to 13 months. He outright refused formula, and only allowed me to give him 8 bottles of breast milk. He hated, HATED being bottle fed. We've been very fortunate with how healthy he's been, approaching 3 come Christmas. Just like 🤯, I was breastfed, but developed lactose intolerance in my early 30s. It's not bad. I can eat pizza, have a cheese sammich, have macncheese and be ok. But ice cream? That destroys me. Even if I take my lactaid pills beforehand. Thanks for the booby update! And I echo iNCY 's thoughts when it comes to pregnancy boobs, then breastfeeding boobs.
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 16, 2020 4:36:22 GMT
My son also had a lip tie and tongue tie. But it was caught a bit earlier on. Had those snipped, and the latch was better. But those first few months were rough on my wife. Then he had acid reflux and was puking up all that delicious delicious boob juice unless he was held upright immediately after feeding. He ended up going on baby zantac for a while too. My son was exclusively breast fed until he weaned himself off, close to 13 months. He outright refused formula, and only allowed me to give him 8 bottles of breast milk. He hated, HATED being bottle fed. We've been very fortunate with how healthy he's been, approaching 3 come Christmas. Just like 🤯, I was breastfed, but developed lactose intolerance in my early 30s. It's not bad. I can eat pizza, have a cheese sammich, have macncheese and be ok. But ice cream? That destroys me. Even if I take my lactaid pills beforehand.Thanks for the booby update! And I echo iNCY 's thoughts when it comes to pregnancy boobs, then breastfeeding boobs. Third echo. And ditto on the bold. No idea why ice cream is so much worse than all the rest. Then again, now that I've developed a garlic intolerance too, pizza overall might've surpassed ice cream. But I can never give up on ice cream.
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Post by @admin on Sept 16, 2020 5:00:07 GMT
mmmmm breast milk
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 16, 2020 8:14:16 GMT
Positive: It's my turn to go to bed!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 17:24:37 GMT
Why does free pizza always taste so good? One of my supervisors has a habit of buying pizzas on Friday. So good. And yet of ordered these pizza myself... same place same order it won't taste nearly as good.
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