Did a mini Jets draft now that they got the CAR late 6th rounder.

QB Zach Wilson(2)
CB Greg Newsome(23)
OT Teven Jenkins(34)
LB Jamin Davis(66)
OG Kendrick Green(86)
TE Tommy Tremble(107)
WR Josh Palmer(146)
EDGE Jonathan Cooper(154)
RB Khalil Herbert(186)
WR Antonio Nunn(226)

I would have found a way to get a kicker with the very last pick but PPF doesn't respect das boot.

That's a good one too , seems lie we like a ton of the same players with Green and Tremble. Think they can be players pretty early on.

Khalil Herbert would be a great get in the 6th. I think he should be an early day three pick at worst and can be something.

Wow. God damn. Bucky Brooks would say if Fields dropped far enough for Baltimore to get aggressive and get him and let Lamar Jackson go.

"build up with the rest of the assets". What assets if your trading up high enough to get Fields? :rofl:

I seen that last night , DJ was the first one who floated it out there with the talk of a college platoon approach. It’s interesting in theory but would be tough to pull off in practicality.

DJ has been an advocate of that strategy for a while now. I remember him roughly a year ago predicting that Dallas should/would do that with Dak and it would start to become a trend across the league that teams would forgo paying their QBs the big second contract regardless of whether they were “franchise” level to maintain a starter on a rookie deal.

Apr 25, 2021 0:15:48 GMT jTjohncenaGOAT said:

Yeah but how often are you going to win a Super Bowl with a quarterback in his first contract? The answer.. 2 of the last 18 teams to go to the Super Bowl (since last salary cap change) won it with a QB in their first contract (Mahomes and Wilson). Three of you count Wentz who didn’t play in his. I think you can always have a great team by doing this but winning a Super Bowl is hard. It’s a nice idea but Patrick Mahomeses don’t just grow on trees. For every one of them you get, you get five That don’t pan out.

Yeah but there’s quite a bit more who made it or were dang close. Obviously the ultimate end game is winning it all but you’re still giving yourself a great chance just by being there.

I also don’t think this logic applies to the elite at all , obviously you aren’t dumping Mahomes for a rookie at any cost. Or Rodgers. Or Wilson.

Also should be noted that in many of those years where it wasn’t a “rookie contract” it was Brady taking massive paycuts in New England. Not the same but not every team had the same luxury of their QB being married to a super rich super model and willing to forego extra cash.

Apr 24, 2021 23:43:41 GMT @admin said:

DJ has been an advocate of that strategy for a while now. I remember him roughly a year ago predicting that Dallas should/would do that with Dak and it would start to become a trend across the league that teams would forgo paying their QBs the big second contract regardless of whether they were “franchise” level to maintain a starter on a rookie deal.

My issue is trading up to get Fields who I can't see going past the 1st half of round 1. Them moving up 13-15 spots in the first requires a loss of a 1st rounder next year and the draft picks of this year, that would do nothing for Lamar Jackson OR Justin Fields to help. It also loses the team when you have a dark cloud around the team with questions of when Fields is going to start coming weekly. Seems like an unnecessary discussion.

I am fine with a QB say in round 3 or 4 if they are BPA on your board but trading up in round 1 for one? Nah. Not good draft asset usage. You lost a RT to get a first but will throw that pick away for a QB?

Well in theory I assume you also count the package you would get for Lamar Jackson , it's not like they would just draft Fields and cut Jackson and be on their merry way. Even if I'm not that much of a fan of Jackson as a quarterback there is no doubt in the world you could still get multiple first and second round picks for him.

In theory if you look at it like this: Trade Jackson to the Broncos for #9 , 2nd and 5 fifth (or whatever) in 2021 and Denver's 1st and 2nd in 2022 - take Fields at #9 and build around him with the multiple first round picks you now own. Again that IMO would be the theory but it's still a tough sell considering how much of a crapshoot drafting quarterbacks is and there are no guarantees with Fields even if I think Fields is going to be really good.

Now this draft would look like

#9 - Justin Fields
#27 - Tevin Jenkins
#31 - Jayson Oweh (or whatever pass rusher)
2nd Round - Terrace Marshall (or Nico Collins or Dyami Brown)

Then next year you have probably four more picks in the Top 60 to continue to build.

It would take a lot of balls to pull off , I don't think there is a GM out there with the grapefruits to pull the trigger on trading an MVP quarterback and starting over but I would like to see it happen once just to see how it plays out , out of curiosity.

Also I think you'd have to take into consideration teams success. A team like your Jets could never justify trading away a franchise quarterback you've been searching for for like 60 years , you hold onto that for dear life. A team like Baltimore has recent Super Bowls , even under this current regime and would at least be allowed some leeway in it.

I said in theory a lot because that's all this really is , it's not going to happen , there is too much at stake but I'm just saying , I've won multiple Madden Championships with this strategy so there is no doubt it works.








So read yesterday the Brown trade , after all said and done with the pick swaps and whatever was equal to the Chiefs trading a mid second rounder (#45) to the Ravens for Brown. That's quite the steal when you really think about it , I think they did an incredible job in even getting that second rounder back to tip the scales in their favor.

The suitors will be near dead with 5 first round QBs(Or if Mond creeps in there) and maybe 7 QBs gone in the first two rounds. You'd be basically talking with the 1-2 teams who didn't address QB in the draft or FA. You'd also lose the team in saying we gave up the MVP 2 seasons ago for a rookie signal caller due to salaries. It's a win now team, most of the guys don't want to hear we have to babywalk a rookie QB even if he becomes Herbert 2.0, Lamar Jackson gives them the best shot to win in their eyes right now.

Denver would have to change the entire offense to play to Lamar Jackson anyway in a 3 month span and then would be on the hook for the mega deal or franchise him at the crazy price. Fangio is on the hot seat, so would be Pat Shurmur, I don't think they would be on board. Would be a tough ask to make it work for Jackson's skillset.

It's all hypotheticals but going up for Fields in a trade up would mean they knew he'd fall AND they would have trade talks with other sides in such a small time with Lamar Jackson. Teams would know Jackson is a goner and will not pay premium for him IMHO. It'd be Aaron Rodgers 2.0 with Jordan Love redshirting. 

And Ravens had no real leverage on Brown, I am shocked they gave into the Chiefs though. Thought he'd go to the burgundy & gold. Guess Washington wasn't coughing up the first.

Teams in different positions in the hierarchy and Denver has to believe they are a QB away , and the Fangio hot seat argument is silly considering Jackson would give them a chance to win right away more so than a rookie or Lock. Jackson could IN THEORY save jobs by simply being a playoff team.

The changing offense argument is silly , they could make any of it work , they are also in the rumors of being interested in Lance so clearly that isn’t an issue.

The argument for the Ravens not doing it is the only real one , the argument for Denver not doing would be silly. They would have no reason not to.

They aren't getting Greg Roman in the deal, it's a tough ask on Pat Shurmur & Mike Munchak to reconfigure the OLine on the fly to work for Lamar. They have a gaping hole that remains suspect anyway, they're banking on JaWuan James to come off a COVID rested season and prior injuries to salvage what has been a disaster of a deal.

A deal for Jackson would have been best in the offseason prior to the draft like when Stafford or Wentz got moved.

I would say the same on DeShaun Watson if he gets his name cleared before the start of the regular season, it's too late to add someone, throw a playbook at him and decide to roll with him.

Apr 25, 2021 16:18:47 GMT Blindy said:

They aren't getting Greg Roman in the deal, it's a tough ask on Pat Shurmur & Mike Munchak to reconfigure the OLine on the fly to work for Lamar. They have a gaping hole that remains suspect anyway, they're banking on JaWuan James to come off a COVID rested season and prior injuries to salvage what has been a disaster of a deal.

A deal for Jackson would have been best in the offseason prior to the draft like when Stafford or Wentz got moved.

I would say the same on DeShaun Watson if he gets his name cleared before the start of the regular season, it's too late to add someone, throw a playbook at him and decide to roll with him.

You mean like when Baltimore switched from Flacco to Jackson midseason despite not knowing they would have Lamar until the draft?

You don’t have to change every single facet of your offense but you adapt what you already do.

Apr 25, 2021 16:33:57 GMT UT said:

Apr 25, 2021 16:18:47 GMT Blindy said:

They aren't getting Greg Roman in the deal, it's a tough ask on Pat Shurmur & Mike Munchak to reconfigure the OLine on the fly to work for Lamar. They have a gaping hole that remains suspect anyway, they're banking on JaWuan James to come off a COVID rested season and prior injuries to salvage what has been a disaster of a deal.

A deal for Jackson would have been best in the offseason prior to the draft like when Stafford or Wentz got moved.

I would say the same on DeShaun Watson if he gets his name cleared before the start of the regular season, it's too late to add someone, throw a playbook at him and decide to roll with him.

You mean like when Baltimore switched from Flacco to Jackson midseason despite not knowing they would have Lamar until the draft?

You don’t have to change every single facet of your offense but you adapt what you already do.

They had Lamar in preseason and OTAs and had plays in for him to spell Flacco in a wildcat formation, the Broncos would have had to have an offseason IMHO to fully utilize Jackson's skillset to match with the player personnel.  

Shurmur has never been pro running QB anyway IIRC. Daniel Jones, Case Keenum have been traditional throwers with Jones having some underrated feetwork. 

1. They would still have Jackson for the exact same amount of time if traded on draft day???

2. You have too much tunnel vision. Coordinators can adapt , it’s what they do , you add wrinkles with new skill sets. And Shurmur also coached a young McNabb - not that it really matters.

Welcome aboard Trey Lance!

Mac Jones or Justin Fields sliding a little means

Gonna be on Line 1 with Carolina or Detroit. Go jump up for Fields and get ya guy Denver!

Apr 26, 2021 2:32:16 GMT Blindy said:

Mac Jones or Justin Fields sliding a little means

Gonna be on Line 1 with Carolina or Detroit. Go jump up for Fields and get ya guy Denver!

Or line 1 with Falcons 

Apr 26, 2021 2:33:13 GMT pduh said:

Apr 26, 2021 2:32:16 GMT Blindy said:

Mac Jones or Justin Fields sliding a little means

Gonna be on Line 1 with Carolina or Detroit. Go jump up for Fields and get ya guy Denver!

Or line 1 with Falcons 

Pitts to ATL
Chase to CIN


Dolphins get no weapons or gotta take Waddle (6)

That's obviously a complete no news report from Rapaport. There is absolutely no way that the 49ers weren't set on a guy before they pulled the trigger to trade up to #3.

The draft can't come soon enough.

Apr 26, 2021 3:45:39 GMT @admin said:

That's obviously a complete no news report from Rapaport. There is absolutely no way that the 49ers weren't set on a guy before they pulled the trigger to trade up to #3.

Means no Fields though.

Apr 26, 2021 3:47:09 GMT Blindy said:

Apr 26, 2021 3:45:39 GMT @admin said:

That's obviously a complete no news report from Rapaport. There is absolutely no way that the 49ers weren't set on a guy before they pulled the trigger to trade up to #3.

Means no Fields though.

Not necessarily. He was predicting the 49ers would take Quinnen Williams over Nick Bosa a couple of years ago so his sources obviously aren't that reliable. 

Apr 26, 2021 3:53:25 GMT @admin said:

Apr 26, 2021 3:47:09 GMT Blindy said:

Means no Fields though.

Not necessarily. He was predicting the 49ers would take Quinnen Williams over Nick Bosa a couple of years ago so his sources obviously aren't that reliable. 

True but taking his word for it, it means Fields is dropping or at the very least isn't fancied by SF. 

Apr 26, 2021 3:53:25 GMT @admin said:

Apr 26, 2021 3:47:09 GMT Blindy said:

Means no Fields though.

Not necessarily. He was predicting the 49ers would take Quinnen Williams over Nick Bosa a couple of years ago so his sources obviously aren't that reliable. 

I remember that and also to add since Kyle and Lynch were hired they don’t leak the info and since they acquire number three all of sudden there are “leaks.”?

So I messing around with the mock draft simulator so here is my picks for the 49ers

We're going to have to keep an eye on Jamin Davis - PW's favourite player.

Apr 28, 2021 5:14:52 GMT @admin said:

We're going to have to keep an eye on Jamin Davis - PW's favourite player.

Feeling kind of Day One-Ish.

This is such a crazy and fun draft , I've done more "research" on this than I have in quite a few years and I'm stumped as to where so many players could land. There is a group of like 20-30 players that I feel could go in the last 12 picks of the first round , which means the top half the second should be pretty stacked. 

I would be okay with the Packers trading down for that , providing they then trade up with their 2nd or 3rd round picks because we don't need the camp bodies at the end of the draft. 

Any combination of Toney/Elijah Moore/Teven Jenkins/Farley/Newsome/Bateman/Moehrig/Samuel will work. Though I prefer DB first over receiver because they are the more valuable position and you are just as likely to get a starting WR in the second anyways , much less in this draft. Elijah Moore is someone who I like more and has been linked with the Packers a lot - and rumor is that he is the majority #4 receiver on the board so he could sneak into the late teens/early twenties. I hope not. 

A combination of Farley (if he falls) and Toney (trade up in the second) would be ideal. I love Farley , I don't care if he might not get a second contract - he is the guy that IMO could get us over the hump. Liking Moehrig more and more too , even though we have a Top 3 safety tandem in the NFL - the versatility he would bring the defense and the fact that you almost need to have three safeties these days would be brilliant. 

I definitely think the Packers trade up in one of the first three rounds , we have 11 picks. Eleven players aren't making this roster. I always thought it would be the first round but I could totally see it being the second if the board breaks for them in a certain direction.

Not really interested in Davis , I think he has potential out the roof but not what I want for the Packers right now. Get Browning or something later if linebacker is a must but the Packers have never valued the position.

When the Niners draft Fields or Lance hope they get some depth at CB which they badly need be nice if they could trade up(2nd rounder.) to get someone like A. Samuel not going to happen also need depth at edge pass rushers and some depth/youth at oline especially at center position maybe Dickerson or Creed Humphrey.

Apr 29, 2021 15:33:56 GMT pduh said:

When the Niners draft Fields or Lance hope they get some depth at CB which they badly need be nice if they could trade up(2nd rounder.) to get someone like A. Samuel not going to happen also need depth at edge pass rushers and some depth/youth at oline especially at center position maybe Dickerson or Creed Humphrey.

You shouldn’t drink this early in the morning.

Apr 29, 2021 15:49:44 GMT UT said:

Apr 29, 2021 15:33:56 GMT pduh said:

When the Niners draft Fields or Lance hope they get some depth at CB which they badly need be nice if they could trade up(2nd rounder.) to get someone like A. Samuel not going to happen also need depth at edge pass rushers and some depth/youth at oline especially at center position maybe Dickerson or Creed Humphrey.

You shouldn’t drink this early in the morning.

I haven’t start yet but I will after Niners draft Lance or Fields BABY!!!!!!!!!!