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Post by Baker on Mar 30, 2023 23:43:50 GMT
Yay! I'm just glad @papaya is watching and appreciating Pertwee even if he doesn't love the episodes yet.
The Three Doctors is the one Pertwee episode I dumped on in this thread. Hated what they did to the Time Lords and it would only get worse from here. From nearly omnipotent to incompetent and cartoonish to downright awful in just a few seasons. Sad. Agree the interaction between the Three Doctors is the highlight. A dandy and a clown! lol
Agree with you on Carnival. Interesting idea. Not the best execution. Ep 1 was good iirc. Villain was too goofy. Lower end Pertwee.
Is Frontier the one with the badger haired miners or the big adjudicator swerve? I'll have to look it up like a rube... Neither! Wtf? Reading the synopsis now and I don't remember much about this one. Also drawing a blank on the Pertwee Dalek episodes.
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Post by c on Apr 4, 2023 2:20:46 GMT
Wanted a show to casually watch and just finished rewatching Bones, so restarted New Who. Forgot how good the ninth doctor's season was.
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Post by Baker on Apr 6, 2023 3:33:27 GMT
The Aztecs- Aww yeah! Remember liking this four parter when I rewatched it about 5 years ago and it still holds up. When it comes to Doctor Who I like the darker, morally ambiguous stories where the Doctor and/or his mates don't necessarily win. And this one is mighty bleak. Here Barbara learns a valuable lesson as exemplified by this line from The Doctor- "You can't rewrite history! Not one line!" A rule which admittedly is only enforced in Doctor Who when it fits the story. The bad Aztec high priest wins. The good Aztec high priest loses his faith and becomes a hermit. The Doctor's fiance(!) loses her son (who was admittedly a jerk) and The Doctor himself. The Aztecs are doomed and the smarter characters among them know it. So bleak!
All four members of our TARDIS Team get a chance to shine. Ian gets to be a badass hero going around monkey flipping jerks off roofs. The Doctor is a hoot. He accidentally gets engaged! Doctor/Cameca > Doctor/Rose. Don't @ me. Former history teacher and Aztec enthusiast Barbara is riding high as the mistaken reincarnation of the God Yetaxa before being brought oh so low after realizing she can't change history. Even Susan keeps her insufferable screaming to a minimum. Oh, and the outfits are fabulous. It's a win all around. Another cool thing about this one is while the villian was a jerk, he was also right. Barbara WAS a false God! Love stories like this. Completely different setting, but The Silurians from the Pertwee Era is another in the same vein.
Planet Of Giants- The TARDIS goes wonky again causing our heroes to shrink down to insect size in 1960s England. Poor Ian & Barbara! They were so close to finally making it home. Some clever moments in this three parter like explaining why there are so few insects around to menace our heroes, and "Screaming" Susan's big mouth actually becoming a plot point, but it was basically just entertaining filler. Barbara being poisoned and the question of 'how will the murderer be brought to justice?' created SOME drama. Not a whole lot worth writing about though. I mean the big hero was a random phone operator if you really think about it. Though not a must see by any stretch of the imagination, I did enjoy it as fun, run of the mill classic Who.
The Rescue- Took me a while to remember if I had ever seen this one before. Then Koquillion showed up. You don't forget a name like that even if it has been 25 years since you last encountered it. Part One was intriguing enough but Part Two didn't knock my socks off. Now I realize it's because I saw (or perhaps had a latent memory of?) the big swerve coming from a mile away. Grouchy Bennett struck me as a suspicious character from the get go. Sure enough he turned out to be a real nasty piece of business. Having a Doctor Who monster actually turn out to be a guy wearing a mask was a clever little swerve. Even better when you realize it predates Scooby Doo by a good 5 years. Yeah, Doctor Who invented pretty much everything. Funny thing is Koquillion was the best looking 'monster' they had so far!...at least in the episodes that still exist. Great outfit!
Guessing the only reason anybody anywhere remembers this one at all is because it introduces new companion Vicki. Just kidding. Nobody actually remembers Vicki! She's here to be Susan's replacement. Meaning Susan is gone! Hooray! Unfortunately she left during a missing episode. One day I'll rewatch what I can find of the missing stories. We had an awwww moment on the TARDIS where The Doctor is pining over the departure of his granddaughter. Hartnell has really settled into the role. He's gone from a grumpy old antihero to a loveable old grandfather type. I still get a kick out of his infectious little giggles and ever present "hmmmm's." I've long bounced back and forth between Hartnell & Troughton as my 2nd favorite Doctor. Right now I'm leaning Hartnell again. Anyway, this two parter was decent filler revolving around the theme of deception. I was too tough on it yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2023 10:52:38 GMT
Tom Baker (no relation, thank goodness) This leads to the obvious question - are you related to Colin?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2023 20:11:39 GMT
I finished Matt Smith's second season last night.
It was a 50/50 season for me - a mix of some really really good episodes and some that were just the most convoluted nonsense garbage I've ever seen.
The Curse of the Black Spot, The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People, Night Terrors, The Girl Who Waited, The God Complex and Closing Time were all very enjoyable. As for the rest...
I'd be happy if I never saw River Song again TBH. I'll be glad to see the back of Amy too. Rory is great though!
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Post by Baker on Apr 6, 2023 22:31:49 GMT
Tom Baker (no relation, thank goodness) This leads to the obvious question - are you related to Colin? Nah. Love his outfit though. And that's the extent of my praise for Colin Baker. Anybody else think he resembles Curt Hennig? I'm tellin' ya he could pass for Curt's brother. Especially when Colin is looking smug. As for the rest... I'd be happy if I never saw River Song again TBH. I'll be glad to see the back of Amy too. Spoilers! River Song sucks. Realized I was a little too tough on The Rescue last night. Gonna edit in a few positive points.
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Post by Baker on Apr 8, 2023 2:26:44 GMT
The Romans- Remember loving this one when I first saw it back around 97-98. Hadn't seen it since at least the early 2000s. Can safely say it holds up. Best one yet. 9/10 only because I don't want to book myself into a corner like Meltzer and have to start pumping out 11/10s for even better stories. War Games exempt. The War Games is totally getting an 11/10. It is the very definition of epic.
This is the first (intentional) Doctor Who comedy and it is delightfully mad. First episode has some funny moments. Second was more straightforward. Then it goes completely bonkers in Episode 3. That standalone episode was a 10/10 masterpiece. Part 4 wraps it up.
Our heroes have been lounging around in a sleepy Roman backwater for a month when we catch up with them. Love this because it shows they have a life off camera. Life isn't all getting captured, running down corridors, and saving worlds! Sometimes you just want to chill. But The Doctor is getting bored with eating grapes and the laid back Toga Life in general so he decides to head off to Rome proper in search of a little adventure. New companion Vicki wants to go with him and her request is accepted while Ian & Barbara are left behind where you just know they're totally getting it on the minute the camera is off them. They've always had great chemistry but it reaches another level here. Vicki and The Doctor have great chemistry as well. Vicki is a 100% upgrade from Susan. The Doctor loves showing off to his clearly enamored new young companion and it is just the most wholesome thing. Giggles and smiles all over the place.
Ian & Barbara end up getting captured by slave traders, escape, and get captured again. There's a scene on a slave ship that was quite good, but this whole slave storyline was the weakest part of the serial. Vicki & The Doc stumble across the dead body of a murdered man on the side of the road and The Doctor dickishly steals his lyre! What's up with that? Jokes are flying and furious. As are the sight gags. It's all so gloriously goofy.
Then we meet up with Nero. Actor Derek Francis plays him so over the top as this comedic madman and it is just tremendous. Dom DeLuise should be paying this guy royalties for ripping off his entire schtick in History of the World: Part 1. Once Nero gets cooking the whole thing goes from comedic to outright farce. This guy mugs for the camera more than Jim Halpert. There are times when I half expected the Benny Hill theme to start playing. They even slip in a penis joke! A dick joke! In 1965 Doctor Who! The best! No idea how they slipped that one passed the censors.
Anyway, The Doctor gets mistaken for the dead man who happened to be a famous lyre player. This becomes a major plot point. There's also this Game of Thrones style palace intrigue in addition to all the zany antics. This episode is insane! In the best possible way. Another neat running gag is the way our main cast keeps *just* missing each other once they all reach Rome proper.
Then we get the GOAT William Hartnell scene where he trolls Nero and the Roman elite with his hipster lyre playing. This is one of those scenes I remembered for 25 years and I marked out for it all over again. It's so perfect I just want to make love to it. We all know those people (over half this forum tbh) who will believe the biggest lies, the dumbest bullshit, the most utter nonsense so long as it comes from a Respected Authority Figure or The Cool Kids. "Experts say...." I don't want to spoil it any further, but you HAVE to check this scene out if you any interest at all in Classic Who....or just want to laugh at the perfect parody of mob mentality.
The Doctor may or may not have caused Nero to burn Rome to the ground. And he cackles maniacally after (possibly) doing so! It's mental! I guess because it means history is going to according to plan?
Other highlights include Barbara accidentally knocking Ian out with a weapon attack, fridge jokes in the first and last episodes, an extremely rare Actually Good Classic Who fight scene, The Doctor making a lyre/liar pun, more mugging for the camera than an entire season of The Office, Nero having randoms killed for the most petty of reasons (this serial actually had a high body count and got over Roman decadence in between all the yuks), and a heroic minor character saving Ian's life a time or two. Really hope that guy and the weird Uncle Fester looking dude at court made out ok after the fire. They deserve it. Guy Who Saved Ian honestly earned a trip on the TARDIS in my book. That dude ruled. Oh, and the feeble old Doctor easily won a fight over a trained assassin! Then he bragged about having trained "The Montana Mauler." I'm just going to assume/pretend The Mauler was a pro wrestler.
Craziest thing is the Hartnell Era is so great The Romans might not even be the best comedic historical because The Gunfighters exists. That's another one I can't wait to (re)watch for the first time in approximately 25 years.
I'm thinking we've entered Peak Hartnell because we're going from the sublimely ridiculous to the ridiculously sublime with The WEB PLANET coming up next. OMG! OMG! YES! Haven't seen this straight up MASTERPIECE in a good 25 years but it's yet another Hartnell story that has always stuck with me. Sure, it's polarizing at best. Most hardcore Whovians hate it. But remember what I wrote just a few paragraphs ago... Strap on in because things are about to get VERY weird. My body is ready...
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Post by c on Apr 10, 2023 0:35:06 GMT
Just finished Season 2 of New Who on rewatch. Forgot how utterly gutripping this season was.
Rose was such a great companion to reintroduce the show with.
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Post by c on Apr 12, 2023 22:22:18 GMT
Just finished the Mathra companion arc. It was good but just good. The reintroduction of the Master was good too.
And now finally onto the Donna companion arc. Donna may be my favorite companion since she is just so different than the normal companion. Cannot wait for her to return in the coming special.
Likely will do the old episodes after nu-Who since I can download them if needed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2023 22:40:29 GMT
Donna was great. Catherine Tate really proved a lot of people (me included) wrong with how good she was. Plus Wilf!
I've finished the Amy episodes, thankfully. I thought she was going to be around forever.
I'm a few Clara episodes in and I absolutely love her already!
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Post by c on Apr 12, 2023 22:55:51 GMT
Yeah Tate killed it with Donna. Hard to balance being endearing yet abrasive.
Clara was fun character. She is good with Smith but really shines with Capaldi.
I liked Amy, but she was around a bit too long. Doubly so for Rory. He should have had a heroic send off after the Last Centurion arc. Nothing he did afterwards would top that.
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Post by Lony on Apr 13, 2023 22:00:37 GMT
I'm a few Clara episodes in and I absolutely love her already! Yes, Clara was great.
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Post by c on Apr 14, 2023 14:02:09 GMT
On the Donna episodes now and just reaffirms she is my fav companion. Silence in the Library that introduces River Song is such a great episode.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 14:28:40 GMT
Hey, who turned out the lights?
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Post by Ness on Apr 14, 2023 15:05:57 GMT
Stop talking about people I don't know!
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Post by c on Apr 14, 2023 15:12:25 GMT
Then catch up!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 16:25:08 GMT
Stop talking about people I don't know! You're better off not knowing River Song!
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Post by c on Apr 14, 2023 17:23:55 GMT
Spoilers sweetie!!!
Finishing the 10th run now. God the final episodes were so good bring back everyone and including Torchwood and Sarah Jane. This is what the show is lacking now, truly epic moments like The Stolen Earth. Rose returning in particular was just amazing.
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Post by Baker on Apr 16, 2023 2:22:49 GMT
The Web Planet- Been sitting on this one for a few days. Where does one even begin with The Web Planet? *sigh* Have a feeling this is gonna be a long one...
With all due respect to The Gunfighters and the one where the Daleks try turning Earth into a giant spaceship, this was the Hartnell story I was most excited to revisit. Hadn't seen it in approximately 25 years.
I didn't really get art growing up. Oh sure, I liked a good Bob Ross as much as the next guy, probably more, but Art Art....I didn't get it. Finding out the CIA pushed modern art as a psyop and tricked all those hoity toity trend-hopping hipsters into be all "beeyoootiful" when looking at some abstract expressionism garbage is the real life version of The Doctor's lyre troll, and it truly is beeyootiful. (See Also: George Costanza's triangles and The Commish red dot/blue dot episode) Anyway, the reason for all this seemingly off topic rambling is because 1998ish me watching The Web Planet from Midnight-3 a.m. had an epiphany...I finally got it....THIS is Art.
"Ambitious." Were I one for brevity I could save a lot of time by reviewing this serial with that one word. This is Doctor Who at its most experimental (though bits of The Mind Robber do come close). Drowsy 1998 me simultaneously being transfixed by the sheer WEIRDNESS I was seeing on my tv screen while fighting to stay awake during the wee small hours when the world already took a dream-like quality thought it was Art. Watching The Web Planet that night was probably the closest youngish me ever came to doing drugs :lol: 12th Doctor Peter Capaldi is another Web Planet fan.
But it's also polarizing to put it mildly. Truth is most Whovians think it's crap. TV Tropes calls it "the one on drugs." Another review I read compared it to "a Czechoslovakian primary school play performed on crack." I'll confess to being in the minority....among Raven's 10% who dare to rage against the machine...because I (still) love The Web Planet. There was nothing like it on tv in 1963. There was nothing like it on tv when I saw it the first time around 1998. And I reckon there is still nothing else like it on tv today here in 2023.
Detractors call it overambitious. They're not wrong. These naysayers nay by saying the ideas were too big for Classic Who's notoriously low budget. Imagine being a Classic Who fan and complaining about the cheap special effects! They're ALL like that! And you know what? I'll take "overambitious" over boring and formulaic almost every single time. The Web Planet is everything I love about the Hartnell Era distilled into one six part mind trip. Doctor Who hadn't settled into a formula yet (that would come in the Troughton Era and, yes, I'll even admit my beloved Pertwee Era was terribly formulaic). They were still making it up as they went along. So every serial really was something completely different. Last time was an equally mad in a completely different sort of way farcical romp through Rome. This week is all about spending time on the most fully realized alien world Doctor Who ever created. Imagine the Romans & Web Planet coming back to back. My word! What ambition! What imagination! This is the entire production teaming saying "to hell with our £3 budget" and just GOING FOR IT with a balls to the wall, devil may care attitude that you have to love. Sure, you get guys in giant ant costumes bumping into the camera, and it can be hard to see at times due to the vaseline smeared on the camera lens (both these things really happened btw), but that only enhances its dreamlike quality if you ask me.
So what is it actually about? Part 1 is a genuine 10/10 masterpiece with the best cliffhanger to date. We've seen the TARDIS go wonky before. It is, after all, basically the equivalent of a rundown used car. But this is the first time we see the TARDIS controlled by an external force. It lands on a weird (to put it mildly) planet. Our TARDIS team is unsettled by this unexpected turn of events. Doc & Ian go out to explore. This world is a bit off. Their voices have a weird echo. The vaseline camera trick never worked better as it provides some eerie imagery. There are long stretches of silence. A pool of water turns out to be acid. Speaking of acid, I think Hartnell may be on it? He's acting mighty strange. Not "in story" weird, but genuinely odd. Like he keeps breaking out in giggles for no reason! Ian wears his tie as a belt for some reason. See, even the "normal" stuff is bizarre in this one! Barb & Vicki have a nice conversation in the TARDIS. Then all hell breaks loose and everybody ends up in peril. It's great. Parts 2 & 3 see our team get separated as always. They meet up with the good/intelligent Menoptera (human sized butterfly-bee creatures who fly! and speakina weird....singsongcadence like....this) and bad/primitive Zarbi (giant ants who constantly make "Intellivision noises"). These first three episodes are all about establishing the bizarre setting. We finally get the backstory in I believe Ep 4. The two insect races once lived in harmony until a superpowered alien entity called The Animus landed on the planet and corrupted the Zarbi. So for all the ambition behind this episode the actual story is just your basic run of the mill good aliens vs. bad aliens deal. Disappointing! However it is worth noting the Animus is the strongest foe our heroes have encountered to date. It's basically the first of many superpowered Lovecraftian entities in the series' run.
The Animus speaks to The Doctor through an old school hairdryer! The Doctor himself (accidentally?) points this out! Oh, and the Zarbi have this one creepy crawly friend. It's so cute and adorable the way this one random furball follows the giant ants around. Maybe it's their pet? Except the creepy crawly may actually be a sentient gun? That part wasn't very clear. Oh, and at another point they meet up with these degenerated Menoptera called the Optera who have retreated underground for reasons I forget and their leader sounds exactly like the slave trader in The Phantom Menace. This episode also features the greatest screen credit of all time- "Insect Movement by Roslyn DeWinter" Amazing! Oh, and one of the Menoptera calls Ian "Heron" for no reason at all and this is never remarked upon by any of the other characters. The Menoptera also call Barbara "Arbara"....which is more understandable.
The story really isn't much to right home about. This episode sinks or swims on your reaction to the unique atmosphere. The Menoptera are planning an invasion to take out the Animus. They have this super secret special weapon called the Isoptope. Yada yada yada. And the big climax was more like an anticlimax. The Animus went down waaaaay too easily.
Verdict- Check out my avatar. If you think it's silly you're probably not going to like The Web Planet very much. If you think it's Art like I do you are probably going to love The Web Planet like I do. Writing about The Web Planet on PW has me thinking it may have been an unconscious influence on pretty much every fanfic and draft I've ever done here since my whole schtick in those things is to take wrestling to places it has never been before.
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Post by c on Apr 16, 2023 9:56:08 GMT
End of Time regen so good. I loved for the 10th they played with the theme that the Doctor ruins the lives of all who travel with him and the reason he does not need to be violent is because he twists his followers into doing the dirty work for him.
This was the Master at his best in New Who. I also love how they made the Time Lords into the ultimate enemy in Who world.
Really wish adult Amy was as good as kid Amy. Made Karen Gillan's career, and she was a decent companion, but should have been so much better.
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Post by c on Apr 16, 2023 17:49:07 GMT
Forgot how fucky the first season of the 11th was. Totally did not remember Rory dies. Crack storyline and silence falling was such a great arc. Pity a lot of this run was a clusterfuck at the end, particularly in season 2 of the 11th run. Was like a great 6 story arc in here that suffered from being extended.
Still did love the Pandoria stuff.
Onto season 2 and the clusterfuck of timelines circling.
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Post by Ness on Aug 29, 2023 20:18:37 GMT
Been a while. Time to dust off season 3. I think I was burnt out and losing Rose made me not wanna start it up. I wasn't ready to move on.
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Post by c on Aug 29, 2023 21:14:21 GMT
All of Tennant's companions are good. This season is Martha Jones and next season is the amazing Donna. And season 4 is absolutely amazing as Donna is one of the doctors best companions of all time, and the story is pretty insane.
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Post by Ness on Aug 29, 2023 22:58:41 GMT
Wait was Rose the exception? Does he cycle them that quickly?
Then again it was a quick regen during her run so she really only had 1 season in a way...
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Post by c on Aug 29, 2023 23:56:06 GMT
You will see for the Rose stuff. Generally they last 1 to 3 seasons though. Some linger around like Martha Jones does, and others are written.
Hard to talk about the 10th as tons of spoilers, and well, thing still going on now he is back and Donna is returning.
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Post by c on Oct 26, 2023 6:59:10 GMT
God I am so damn excited for this. People speculating NPH is the Celestial Toymaker, villain of the 1st Doctor and a character not seen in over 50 years. Could also be the Valeyard based on a line in the trailer about Donna remembering him. This was a classic era villain that is the evil Doctor that predates the Curator. But looks far more like the Toymaker.
Big news for those who missed it, Big Mouse gonna be helping fund Doctor Who moving forward as they take over the rights for US broadcast. Also rumors they may get the library for Disney Plus.
Feels awful they could not bring back Torchwood for this but they will never, ever, use John Barrowman again. And it would get awkward if Torchwood returns without Jack Harkness. I do hope we get Gwen Cooper returning. But otherwise looks like we are doing an all hands on deck miniseries like The End of Time.
Know not everyone liked him but I loved Russell T Davies run on Who. So glad the Chris Chibnall era is finally over and we can get who back. He did Jodie Whittaker so fucking dirty with that piss poor writing.
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Post by Ness on Oct 26, 2023 12:47:01 GMT
Why they no like Captain Jack?
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Post by c on Nov 26, 2023 22:11:17 GMT
Missed the old comment, but Captain Jack liked to show the women of the shows he worked with little Jack. Got blacklisted from future Who work.
New special just dropped The Star Beast. Donna and the 10th/14th (Tennant) are back. The funnest pairing I think they have done as Donna is just so different from the other companions. Davies really did a return to form on this.
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Post by c on Dec 2, 2023 20:15:43 GMT
Wild Blue Yonder dropped. Another fun episode of the Doctor and Donna.
Next week should be the final week of the 14th with the regeneration. Also Neil Patrick Harris as the Celestial Toymaker.
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Post by c on Dec 3, 2023 9:33:44 GMT
Playing catch-up on where I dropped off with the 12th doc. I bailed the episode before Danny Pink died. Apparently if I held on one more episode things would have picked up again.
Really dug Clara as a companion. The impossible girl was just so interesting. So sweet but so fierce.
But after it was mentioned the doctor destroys half the universe in the recent special, was told to get that reference I need to watch the 13th. So here we go, finishing the 12th run which I had wanted to do to finish the Missy arc, then time to brave the horror that is the 13th's doctors shit writing.
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