Feb 24, 2022 22:01:46 GMT NATH45 said:

Feb 24, 2022 21:57:47 GMT KING KID said:

No. I literally want to know what damage he did, besides hurting liberals feelings.

If you'd like to start a new thread, go for it. You can title it 'Pardoning War Criminals and 101 others things Trump did.. '

That's what I thought. Go sit next to c. Sit this one out.

Feb 24, 2022 22:02:38 GMT NATH45 said:

Feb 24, 2022 21:58:52 GMT KING KID said:

You guys will literally be sheep for the rest of your lives. Defending the Biden Administration by saying 'eh, ya cant predict wars!'

Of course you can. Joe Biden is a weak leader and that's why Putin finally went through with his plan.

A weak leader, who beat Trump.

He did not beat Trump. It was literally stolen.

Alright there’s a US politics thread for a reason.

We aren’t going to go back and beat that dead horse. It’s tired. This isn’t about that.

Feb 24, 2022 22:03:07 GMT KING KID said:

Feb 24, 2022 22:01:46 GMT NATH45 said:

If you'd like to start a new thread, go for it. You can title it 'Pardoning War Criminals and 101 others things Trump did.. '

That's what I thought. Go sit next to c. Sit this one out.

No you sit this one out. Please and thanks.

Poland are accepting Ukraine asylum seekers. American troops are on the Polish border helping manage the border and get people in. There are always great moments of unity when shit goes down.

Anti-Protests in Russia suggest no one wants this war, including the Russian people.

Hundreds allegedly arrested. And likely never seen again.

Feb 24, 2022 22:11:08 GMT NATH45 said:

Anti-Protests in Russia suggest no one wants this war, including the Russian people.

Hundreds allegedly arrested. And likely never seen again.

Russians, like any other citizens, are broadly good people. I would expect protests to go on for some time. Not only is it an ethical issue, the Russians are a poor people set to become poorer as the world freezes Russian money. Pressure from his own people is one of the biggest weapons against Putin. I admire those people in Russia protesting and hope they continue to do it.

Considering what could happen to anti-establishment protesters in Russia - or at least what I've read could happen - those protesting are among the bravest people on the planet.

Feb 24, 2022 22:17:25 GMT Emperor said:

Considering what could happen to anti-establishment protesters in Russia - or at least what I've read could happen - those protesting are among the bravest people on the planet.

Biggest problem is, due to how difficult it is to protest in Russia we will never fully understand the extent of an anti-war / anti-Putin sentiment.

Brave, very much so.

Feb 24, 2022 22:05:42 GMT UT said:

Feb 24, 2022 22:03:07 GMT KING KID said:

That's what I thought. Go sit next to c . Sit this one out.

No you sit this one out. Please and thanks.

They started it!!

Liberals/The Squad are okay with war abroad when it's someone they don't like, thought ya'll knew? Putin has ranked high on that list for awhile.

Feb 24, 2022 19:09:00 GMT iron maiden said:

I don't know how many of you remember Bahgdad, Bosnia, Kosovo, etc. It all started the same way: bombing and civilian lives lost. Media starts spin doctoring to suit their narrative. UN/NATO sends Peacekeepers into the area. I could be wrong, but I guess we'll see.

I don't know how 'self sufficient' the Russian military is. What I am hearing is completely contrary to what I've heard from my ex, his co-workers and other military friends over the years in which they often fed and gave supplies to the Russian soldiers during deployments-when they were allies of course. In return they got good Russian vodka. One has to wonder what has changed since then. I assume it has much to do with leadership.

We had a Bosnian refugee speak to my school in 3rd grade while the crisis was still ongoing. I can still remember the heartbreak in his voice. I truly hope this doesn't go down a similar or even worse route.

Luckily, this only becomes WW3 if China gets involved....... *holds freedom breath democratically*

Feb 24, 2022 22:48:07 GMT rad said:

Liberals/The Squad are okay with war abroad when it's someone they don't like, thought ya'll knew? Putin has ranked high on that list for awhile.

Feb 24, 2022 19:09:00 GMT iron maiden said:

I don't know how many of you remember Bahgdad, Bosnia, Kosovo, etc. It all started the same way: bombing and civilian lives lost. Media starts spin doctoring to suit their narrative. UN/NATO sends Peacekeepers into the area. I could be wrong, but I guess we'll see.

I don't know how 'self sufficient' the Russian military is. What I am hearing is completely contrary to what I've heard from my ex, his co-workers and other military friends over the years in which they often fed and gave supplies to the Russian soldiers during deployments-when they were allies of course. In return they got good Russian vodka. One has to wonder what has changed since then. I assume it has much to do with leadership.

We had a Bosnian refugee speak to my school in 3rd grade while the crisis was still ongoing. I can still remember the heartbreak in his voice. I truly hope this doesn't go down a similar or even worse route.

Luckily, this only becomes WW3 if China gets involved....... *holds freedom breath democratically*

Well they did use the distraction to run an air exercise over Taiwan earlier.

CNN reporting that according to intel there will be a massive bombardment of Kyiv in roughly 2 hours.

Feb 24, 2022 22:04:02 GMT RT said:

Alright there’s a US politics thread for a reason.

Without weighing into whether or not Trump would have been any better at warding this situation off, there is no doubt in my mind that Putin launched this offensive at this time in part for what he sees as a general weakness in the global Political landscape at the moment.
The fact it took Biden so long to come out with a televised statement is somewhat worrying.

The measures he announced stopped short of a complete ban on SWIFT payments to and from all Russian accounts which would have crippled their ability to do any sort of trade whatsoever.

All the announcements NATO, USA and every other nation made it clear that Putin can have the Ukraine if he can live with the sanctions, but one step into a NATO country and it's war.
I would expect that he knew this would be the case.
The only question now is whether Putin is planning to restore the old Soviet empire, or is happy to stop at Ukraine.

Feb 24, 2022 22:17:25 GMT Emperor said:

Considering what could happen to anti-establishment protesters in Russia - or at least what I've read could happen - those protesting are among the bravest people on the planet.

I couldn't agree more, this is a truly courageous act.
If I was Biden, I would announce a $500m bounty for anyone or their next of kin who takes out Putin.

Putin is airing Trump clips as part of his using US right wing propaganda to show that the US supports his actions. China says the US forced Putin to invade through NATO expansion.

I think the West may fear banning him from SWIFT will be futile if he can backdoor Russian transactions through the Chinese system. That is a good heavy option though if need be.

Britain has sent anti-tank weapons already to Ukraine so NATO support with equipment is underway and if it’s comprehensive it will make a difference on the ground.

Sounds like tanks are not a problem. The missiles are. The tanks are quickly going down form the javelins they bought for exactly this situation.  You know the ones that Trump did not want to sell them unless they gave him dirt on Biden.

Putins approval rating is allegedly 69%, if you rewind the clock his approval rating began creeping past 80% in March 2014... when Russia invaded and subsequently annexed the Crimean Peninsula from Ukraine. This event took place in the aftermath of the Revolution of Dignity and is part of the wider Russo-Ukrainian conflict.

It also shot up to 88% in September 2008, a month after The Russo-Georgian War.

So, maybe to understand this tyrant better you look at his motivation. War for Russia allegedly = higher approval rating.

Feb 24, 2022 23:36:34 GMT NATH45 said:

Putins approval rating is allegedly 69%

Nice.

Feb 24, 2022 22:51:56 GMT RT said:

Feb 24, 2022 22:48:07 GMT rad said:

Liberals/The Squad are okay with war abroad when it's someone they don't like, thought ya'll knew? Putin has ranked high on that list for awhile.


We had a Bosnian refugee speak to my school in 3rd grade while the crisis was still ongoing. I can still remember the heartbreak in his voice. I truly hope this doesn't go down a similar or even worse route.

Luckily, this only becomes WW3 if China gets involved....... *holds freedom breath democratically*

Well they did use the distraction to run an air exercise over Taiwan earlier.

CNN reporting that according to intel there will be a massive bombardment of Kyiv in roughly 2 hours.

Do you have a source/link regarding the bombardment?

First day of fighting has allegedly seem 137 Ukrainian soldiers killed.

Feb 24, 2022 22:07:12 GMT Todd said:

Poland are accepting Ukraine asylum seekers. American troops are on the Polish border helping manage the border and get people in. There are always great moments of unity when shit goes down.

That's what Poland does because they have seen this happen multiple times to their country. My father's side is from Poland and my grandmother keeps in daily contact with people over there so they have been scared shitless over Putin and how much of an arrogant bully he is, so glad Poland is practically welcoming Ukraine people over to the Eastern parts of the country. Putin better tread lightily because he can pick on the Ukraine's, the Georgia's and Moldolva's of Eastern Europe but try this on Poland or Romania or Slovakia, NATO countries and watch what happens. Absolute fucking clown. 

Historically the Poles have not fared well in times like these. They have every right to be terrified. And yeah Poland is NATO and EU so Putin will not try to reclaim them as well.

Feb 24, 2022 23:47:20 GMT NATH45 said:

Feb 24, 2022 22:51:56 GMT RT said:

Well they did use the distraction to run an air exercise over Taiwan earlier.

CNN reporting that according to intel there will be a massive bombardment of Kyiv in roughly 2 hours.

Do you have a source/link regarding the bombardment?

Only seen a few journalists on twitter talking about it. They were credible but I can’t find the tweets now.

Guess we’ll find out how accurate it was in the coming hours.

Feb 24, 2022 19:36:53 GMT KING KID said:

Feb 24, 2022 19:29:27 GMT mikec said:

I mean there was a war the entire four years Trump was president.

Oh lol you mean the one that was safe until Biden got involved?

60 members of the Armed Forces were killed in action in Afghanistan from 2017-2020, an average of 15 per year. 13 died in 2021 leaving. Those will be the only 13 of Biden’s time in office, averaging 3.3 deaths per year. So in terms of US Miltary presence, Afghanistan was never “safe”, the average year under President Trump was more dangerous, and the number that died evacuating would’ve died over the course of occupation as well.

This is audio from the attack on Snake Island today. The translation:

Russians: This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you’ll be bombed.

Ukrainians: Russian warship, go fuck yourself.

The dozen or so Ukrainians on the island were all killed.

Feb 24, 2022 23:18:32 GMT c said:

Sounds like tanks are not a problem. The missiles are. The tanks are quickly going down form the javelins they bought for exactly this situation.  You know the ones that Trump did not want to sell them unless they gave him dirt on Biden.

It seems a lot of the reporting has been incorrect.
Initially the tanks weren't advancing on Kiev, seems the plan was only to get advanced outposts where they could hit targets within 90km with their missiles, this was a smart strategy as conventional artillery has no chance of returning fire at that range.
If they keep this plan up, advance slowly, then use missiles to eliminated defences then advance, repeat... This is a pretty easy way to take a country.
The only thing that could thwart the plan is good air defense.

Feb 24, 2022 22:53:36 GMT iNCY said:

Feb 24, 2022 22:04:02 GMT RT said:

Alright there’s a US politics thread for a reason.

Without weighing into whether or not Trump would have been any better at warding this situation off, there is no doubt in my mind that Putin launched this offensive at this time in part for what he sees as a general weakness in the global Political landscape at the moment.
The fact it took Biden so long to come out with a televised statement is somewhat worrying.

I’d be curious when the last time Putin would’ve considered the global political landscape to be moderately dangerous to him. The intel into why he supported Trump would suggest he was nervous about how a Hillary Clinton presidency would effect him. I just don’t see him as a guy that actually believes the global political landscape has ever had a tolerance to push back against him.

Given how today went I am assuming they do not have good air defense. Took many missiles hit home. The tanks I assume are just for protecting troops as they move from gun fire. Modern war, they lost much of their use, which is why the US is slowly getting rid of them.

Feb 25, 2022 0:23:08 GMT c said:

Given how today went I am assuming they do not have good air defense. Took many missiles hit home. The tanks I assume are just for protecting troops as they move from gun fire. Modern war, they lost much of their use, which is why the US is slowly getting rid of them.

It's for intimidation purposes. It's 'capture the flag' type stuff. Hold the position with Tanks and advance further.