Since I know someone will share it, the story of Hamas killed and beheading 40 Jewish babies is likely fake news. i24, which first ran the story, gets a mixed review of truthfulness from bias review sites. No one that tried to could confirm the story. And i24's source was an Israeli soldier.

And frankly, story does not pass the smell test. What would Hamas have to gain going to a maternity ward to kill babies when they would make far, far more effective hostages? Also, why behead them when it so much more work than a bullet.

Finally, story is a repeat from a similar story we hear during the Iraqi War about Islamic terrorists beheading babies in a hospital. The hits work for a reason, inspires a visceral rage that gets you to not really stop and think, does what I am reading make any sense.

Extraordinary claims should require extraordinary evidence, or at least fucking confirmation before the calls for blood go out.

Also this was a village of 765 people, that had reportedly 40 babies in it at the hospital that were all slaughtered.  Population distribution would be highly abnormal.

I’m convinced that story is surfacing now because videos of dead babies being pulled from rubble in Gaza are starting to spread on social media. Israel probably put that story out there knowing nobody could disprove it and to make it look like they aren’t the only ones killing children indiscriminately.

Def heavy botting of it. Hundreds of reposts with the exact same wording.

I don't understand what Hamas thought would happen after their huge assault. Did they think Israel would just take it and do little? Are they trying to provoke Israel to wipe out all of Gaza so other countries will invade Israel in return?

They got what they wanted. The world is now learning about how badly the Palestinians were oppressed, and how Israel treats them. The hope is after this expected massacre, the world forces action. Likely they see this as sacrificing Gaza for the West Bank. And since they are religious extremists, they believe all who die will be leaving a life of misery and ascended to heaven as martyrs.

Oct 10, 2023 16:57:04 GMT Gyro LC said:

I don't understand what Hamas thought would happen after their huge assault. Did they think Israel would just take it and do little? Are they trying to provoke Israel to wipe out all of Gaza so other countries will invade Israel in return?

Sacrificial holy war while (by proxy) trying to get muslims united on a single front.

We should blame England as much as us. They built the diner, we've just refurbished it into a Casa Bonita with fun, food & a festive atmosphere. /s

When are we gonna get to the nukes being used?


Russia and Ukraine feeling pretty upset they're not the only way in town now.



In all seriousness, this is a fucked up matter, and no matter what, Peace will never be found between Israel & Palestine.

Biden reported that there are US Citizens being held hostage by Hamas. Guessing the big drones getting deployed now.

Biden also is asking congress to help aid Israel.  Except congress cannot because the House is still a clown show and the GOP cannot elect a speaker.

Oct 10, 2023 16:36:20 GMT RT said:

I’m convinced that story is surfacing now because videos of dead babies being pulled from rubble in Gaza are starting to spread on social media. Israel probably put that story out there knowing nobody could disprove it and to make it look like they aren’t the only ones killing children indiscriminately.

Turns out the story is likely true. French reporter confirmed seeing decapitated bodies of children and babies and BBC picked it up. Holy hell.

Oct 10, 2023 16:57:04 GMT Gyro LC said:

I don't understand what Hamas thought would happen after their huge assault. Did they think Israel would just take it and do little? Are they trying to provoke Israel to wipe out all of Gaza so other countries will invade Israel in return?

Hamas has always hidden behind civilians in Gaza. Unfortunately Israel doesn't care and doesn’t think that Palestinian lives are worth anything, so they bomb indiscriminately every time Hamas pokes its head out.

This is why I have been so upset with world leaders backing these attacks on Gaza. These airstrikes are only going to take out a small fraction of Hamas soldiers. 99% of the victims will be innocent civilians.

I do not expect Israel to just turn the other cheek after such a brutal terrorist attack but I also don’t agree with levelling residential neighbourhoods with missiles and killing children in retaliation. Nobody is right here yet most of the western world is acting like Israel are the heroes.

Story changed. Was 40 children, some babies, killed in the entire village, not a centralized location as was implied.

Hamas entered that village and killed every living person they found.  They did not target babies specifically as it was implied, nor searched for them.  Parents usually had them with them, and they simply executed them with the family.

Still savage as fuck so do not know why people felt a need to lie about it.

Downtown Gaza is pretty much rumble.  They leveled almost all of it.  It is unreal to see footage of.

Oct 10, 2023 21:23:41 GMT c said:

Story changed. Was 40 children, some babies, killed in the entire village, not a centralized location as was implied.

Hamas entered that village and killed every living person they found.  They did not target babies specifically as it was implied, nor searched for them.  Parents usually had them with them, and they simply executed them with the family.

Still savage as fuck so do not know why people felt a need to lie about it.

For clicks, that's why they lied.

The propaganda machine is a menace.

Of course Murdoch and Fox are running the story still that 40 babies were massacred and cut apart.


EU sent a Musk a warning that he needs to start complying with EU law and remove shit like the 40 baby story.  As I posted in the Elon thread he says nothing on the site violates Twitter's TOS, completely ignoring that EU laws supercede Twitter's in the EU.

Absolutely insane that it appears it is now "illegally" to wave the Palestinian flag in the UK.

Oct 10, 2023 17:06:07 GMT c said:

They got what they wanted. The world is now learning about how badly the Palestinians were oppressed, and how Israel treats them.

Even in its simplest form, a video was circulating a few days ago (obviously shot prior) showing a young woman living in Gaza explaining why there is an excessive amount of water tanks on roofs. Israel diverts water away from Gaza. Simply, that's the reason. To starve the people of Gaza. Amnesty also reported some 90%-95% of the available water supply is contaminated and unfit for human consumption.

The opening line to that Amnesty article reads... " The legacy of Israel’s 50-year occupation of the Palestinian territories has been systematic human rights violations on a mass scale. " showing not everyone is scared.

Again, I'm no way justifying any of the actions of the last week, but if you dehumanise a population to that point, lock them up, restrict aid, food and water... what do you expect?

But hey, nothing to see here.

I swear, The West occupies itself with silly ideas of like the continual culture wars to distract it's own people from some of the evil shit that they and their friends are doing.. " wait, stop the presses! A celebrity just said 'there's only two genders'. I need to express my outrage directly to said celebrity so they understand their opinion is inciting violence and hatred! And I won't stand for that!"

Oct 10, 2023 21:23:41 GMT c said:

Story changed. Was 40 children, some babies, killed in the entire village, not a centralized location as was implied.

Hamas entered that village and killed every living person they found.  They did not target babies specifically as it was implied, nor searched for them.  Parents usually had them with them, and they simply executed them with the family.

Still savage as fuck so do not know why people felt a need to lie about it.

Downtown Gaza is pretty much rumble.  They leveled almost all of it.  It is unreal to see footage of.

The religious war in Israel has been going on for centuries.  I'm not taking sides because I think the whole thing is horrible, but honestly you drive a group of people from their homes, give it to someone else, murder and oppress them for years and then are shocked when they've had enough and retaliate in savage form? I don't agree with killing on either side, but I can understand why it happened. The whole area is a powder keg. 

My mom works for Jewish Family Services (they serve more than just Jewish families), but is at odds with many of her co-workers. I worry about her safety working there right now as we know sometimes people will make local demonstrations of their discontent. 

Where does it state anywhere in any caricature about using rockets and machine guns and social media to terrorize?

I am on neither side but it's just hypocricial to use 21st century modern weapons when you're all about following a religion to a tee. Either go all in or don't.

Ambushing a bunch of rave party goers isn't brave or badass. Same with drone bombing houses and then telling innocent people to get away

Those stories of not being able to support Palestine all explicitly say Hamas. Can support Palestine all you want, just not the terrorist wing. Like conservatives claiming they are not allowed to express their conservative views by hanging a death to jews flag in the US.

I'm all for people protesting, believe me, it's all we do in this country at the moment..

Climate change.. protest.

Yes Vote.. protest.

No Vote.. protest.

Culture Wars.. protest.

Someone said something silly.. protest.

But some of these images here of primary young tracksuit wearing Pro-Palestinian men burning flags, throwing flares, letting off fire crackers and generally being aggressive has the potential to undo nearly 15 years of growth and understanding. Granted, 20 years ago Islamaphobia was at an all time high in Australia due primarily to The War on Terror, the rise of extremist voices as a response to said wars in the Islamic underbelly, and silly scenes like these given every time there's a conflict overseas or a soccer game.

I was reading a reddit thread and the question was why won't other Arab countries take in the Palestinians? Well, according to the responses, all of the other Arab countries hate Palestinians because they have been burned by taking in PLO and others over the decades. For example, they tried to assassinate the king of Jordan a couple times after they were allowed to be in Jordan. Wild.

Oct 10, 2023 22:27:07 GMT NATH45 said:

Oct 10, 2023 17:06:07 GMT c said:

They got what they wanted. The world is now learning about how badly the Palestinians were oppressed, and how Israel treats them.

Even in its simplest form, a video was circulating a few days ago (obviously shot prior) showing a young woman living in Gaza explaining why there is an excessive amount of water tanks on roofs. Israel diverts water away from Gaza. Simply, that's the reason. To starve the people of Gaza. Amnesty also reported some 90%-95% of the available water supply is contaminated and unfit for human consumption.

The opening line to that Amnesty article reads... " The legacy of Israel’s 50-year occupation of the Palestinian territories has been systematic human rights violations on a mass scale. " showing not everyone is scared.

Again, I'm no way justifying any of the actions of the last week, but if you dehumanise a population to that point, lock them up, restrict aid, food and water... what do you expect?

But hey, nothing to see here.

I swear, The West occupies itself with silly ideas of like the continual culture wars to distract it's own people from some of the evil shit that they and their friends are doing.. " wait, stop the presses! A celebrity just said 'there's only two genders'. I need to express my outrage directly to said celebrity so they understand their opinion is inciting violence and hatred! And I won't stand for that!"

Way I heard this all described best is Gaza was a massive open air prison.  The entire Palestine nation lives is severe poverty, which is why the median age is only 18.  They do not get long lives due to horrible living conditions.  And free movement to Israel or Egypt is not allowed.  Not even allowed to go to the West Bank freely from Gaza.

Try to talk to people about this all though and get utter apathy as supporting Palestine is not the cool hip thing to do.  They are not Burma, this is not KONY 2012, or even Harambe (never forget).  No one seems to give a shit about Palestine.

Oct 10, 2023 22:35:09 GMT c said:

Those stories of not being able to support Palestine all explicitly say Hamas. Can support Palestine all you want, just not the terrorist wing. Like conservatives claiming they are not allowed to express their conservative views by hanging a death to jews flag in the US.

I don't think that's true.  It's been my experience the minute you speak in favor of Palestine, it's a slippery slope and you are seen as anti-Israel which automatically gets turned into an Anti-Semitic, which I find unfair.  I'm not against Jewish people, I'm against the human right violations the State of Israel has imposed on the Palestinian people for years. Just like I don't support any extremist Palestinian group like Hamas or their butchering of people to get their point across. I get why it happened, but in the history of the world, no other group has 'seen the light' by another group butchering a bunch of the opposing factions people. 

Oct 10, 2023 22:42:22 GMT Gyro LC said:

I was reading a reddit thread and the question was why won't other Arab countries take in the Palestinians? Well, according to the responses, all of the other Arab countries hate Palestinians because they have been burned by taking in PLO and others over the decades. For example, they tried to assassinate the king of Jordan a couple times after they were allowed to be in Jordan. Wild.

Was Yasser Arafat that lead that stuff leading up to Black September.  

Oct 10, 2023 22:43:28 GMT c said:

Oct 10, 2023 22:27:07 GMT NATH45 said:

Even in its simplest form, a video was circulating a few days ago (obviously shot prior) showing a young woman living in Gaza explaining why there is an excessive amount of water tanks on roofs. Israel diverts water away from Gaza. Simply, that's the reason. To starve the people of Gaza. Amnesty also reported some 90%-95% of the available water supply is contaminated and unfit for human consumption.

The opening line to that Amnesty article reads... " The legacy of Israel’s 50-year occupation of the Palestinian territories has been systematic human rights violations on a mass scale. " showing not everyone is scared.

Again, I'm no way justifying any of the actions of the last week, but if you dehumanise a population to that point, lock them up, restrict aid, food and water... what do you expect?

But hey, nothing to see here.

I swear, The West occupies itself with silly ideas of like the continual culture wars to distract it's own people from some of the evil shit that they and their friends are doing.. " wait, stop the presses! A celebrity just said 'there's only two genders'. I need to express my outrage directly to said celebrity so they understand their opinion is inciting violence and hatred! And I won't stand for that!"

Way I heard this all described best is Gaza was a massive open air prison.  The entire Palestine nation lives is severe poverty, which is why the median age is only 18.  They do not get long lives due to horrible living conditions.  And free movement to Israel or Egypt is not allowed.  Not even allowed to go to the West Bank freely from Gaza.

Try to talk to people about this all though and get utter apathy as supporting Palestine is not the cool hip thing to do.  They are not Burma, this is not KONY 2012, or even Harambe (never forget).  No one seems to give a shit about Palestine.

I don't know that it's apathy more than fear of speaking out against Israel. You get on the wrong side of something now and the blow back is more than someone simply disagreeing with you, it can cost you everything. 

Oct 10, 2023 22:45:11 GMT iron maiden said:

Oct 10, 2023 22:35:09 GMT c said:

Those stories of not being able to support Palestine all explicitly say Hamas. Can support Palestine all you want, just not the terrorist wing. Like conservatives claiming they are not allowed to express their conservative views by hanging a death to jews flag in the US.

I don't think that's true.  It's been my experience the minute you speak in favor of Palestine, it's a slippery slope and you are seen as anti-Israel which automatically gets turned into an Anti-Semitic, which I find unfair.  I'm not against Jewish people, I'm against the human right violations the State of Israel has imposed on the Palestinian people for years. Just like I don't support any extremist Palestinian group like Hamas or their butchering of people to get their point across. I get why it happened, but in the history of the world, no other group has 'seen the light' by another group butchering a bunch of the opposing factions people. 

I seen a lot of people say this, but almost no one pushing back outside of what would be expected for any other random topic.  I get more pushback for supporting Biden than I do for supporting the Palestine people not involved in war games.

Oct 10, 2023 22:58:10 GMT iron maiden said:

I don't know that it's apathy more than fear of speaking out against Israel. You get on the wrong side of something now and the blow back is more than someone simply disagreeing with you, it can cost you everything. 

Almost as dangerous as criticizing a K-pop group.

Oct 10, 2023 23:06:47 GMT Gyro LC said:

Oct 10, 2023 22:58:10 GMT iron maiden said:

I don't know that it's apathy more than fear of speaking out against Israel. You get on the wrong side of something now and the blow back is more than someone simply disagreeing with you, it can cost you everything. 

Almost as dangerous as criticizing a K-pop group.

That shit'll get you killed. 

iron maiden, touched on a point that has been bothering me.
The Gaza strip is a literal prison, no employment, no life, just a bleak existence before your eventual death.
While you cannot make an excuse or even explain away for even 0.01% of what Hamas did, it is the eventual outcome of what happens when you dehumanise a people for any length of time.

When a dog bites a child you put it down, whether or not you were a good dog owner or not.
Hamas now has to be put down, everyone gets that, it is just the "at any cost" part that leaves a terrible taste in my mouth.

I also read a long time ago that Hamas was an organisation created by Israel to be a rival to the PLO and a group they could keep on a short leash.

It is also breathtaking that it doesn't get reported that all these terrorists attacks in the West are in a large part driven by Western indifference or outright support for the ongoing oppression of the Palestinian people.
Let us also not forget that the entire Palestinian / Israel conflict is 100% a creation of the West, people did a handshake deal and gave Israel back to the Jews when it had already been promised to the Arabs:

www.aljazeera.com/features/2018/11/2/more-than-a-century-on-the-balfour-declaration-explained

Oct 10, 2023 22:58:10 GMT iron maiden said:

Oct 10, 2023 22:43:28 GMT c said:

Way I heard this all described best is Gaza was a massive open air prison.  The entire Palestine nation lives is severe poverty, which is why the median age is only 18.  They do not get long lives due to horrible living conditions.  And free movement to Israel or Egypt is not allowed.  Not even allowed to go to the West Bank freely from Gaza.

Try to talk to people about this all though and get utter apathy as supporting Palestine is not the cool hip thing to do.  They are not Burma, this is not KONY 2012, or even Harambe (never forget).  No one seems to give a shit about Palestine.

I don't know that it's apathy more than fear of speaking out against Israel. You get on the wrong side of something now and the blow back is more than someone simply disagreeing with you, it can cost you everything. 

Before any of this started I was speaking about the power of the ADL when it brings it's blowtorch to a person or topic.
This is all part of cancel culture, once we would disagree with someone, refute their ideas and poor scorn and/or ridicule upon them.

Now instead people with dissenting opinions are destroyed, you can lose your job and any possibility of ever drawing an income again for daring to have a contrary opinion that crosses a "sacred" line as defined by someone.
This conflict is our first taste of the human cost of "enforced speech".
They label people Nazi's, but who are the ones looking to have people erased for speaking against their truth.
This form of moral relativism coupled with group think is so incredibly dangerous, it will kill us all in the end.

Oct 10, 2023 22:43:28 GMT c said:

Oct 10, 2023 22:27:07 GMT NATH45 said:

Even in its simplest form, a video was circulating a few days ago (obviously shot prior) showing a young woman living in Gaza explaining why there is an excessive amount of water tanks on roofs. Israel diverts water away from Gaza. Simply, that's the reason. To starve the people of Gaza. Amnesty also reported some 90%-95% of the available water supply is contaminated and unfit for human consumption.

The opening line to that Amnesty article reads... " The legacy of Israel’s 50-year occupation of the Palestinian territories has been systematic human rights violations on a mass scale. " showing not everyone is scared.

Again, I'm no way justifying any of the actions of the last week, but if you dehumanise a population to that point, lock them up, restrict aid, food and water... what do you expect?

But hey, nothing to see here.

I swear, The West occupies itself with silly ideas of like the continual culture wars to distract it's own people from some of the evil shit that they and their friends are doing.. " wait, stop the presses! A celebrity just said 'there's only two genders'. I need to express my outrage directly to said celebrity so they understand their opinion is inciting violence and hatred! And I won't stand for that!"

Way I heard this all described best is Gaza was a massive open air prison.  The entire Palestine nation lives is severe poverty, which is why the median age is only 18.  They do not get long lives due to horrible living conditions.  And free movement to Israel or Egypt is not allowed.  Not even allowed to go to the West Bank freely from Gaza.

Try to talk to people about this all though and get utter apathy as supporting Palestine is not the cool hip thing to do.  They are not Burma, this is not KONY 2012, or even Harambe (never forget).  No one seems to give a shit about Palestine.

We're having an argument in this country because the artists, painters, actors, musicians and the political indigenous leaders feel that they're marginalised and oh, yeah.. there's some people living in poverty that they've ignore for years.

We're told that the world is watching. We're told that our very defiance to the vote is perpetuating the systematic genocide of our indigenous people. We're dogs, we're lazy mongrels, we're dickheads, we're racist, we're disgusting... we're spending $45 billion a year on indigenous services. But who cares right...

Our apparent lack of human rights is enough for American celebrities to weigh in... last time I checked nearly 2 million of our people weren't locked in a police state in inhumane conditions.

But between weighing in on Australian politics, I'm sure Jason Momoa stands with Israel.

It's not about being on the right side of history, but being on the right side of politics.

There is a huge difference in saying the Jews are savages or the Israeli government are savages. There is a huge difference in saying the heads of US media, and the Jewish media. There is a huge problem in saying liberal bought politicians and Jewish bought politicians.

And given that whole conservation started around twitter, literally one of the accounts Musk recommended for War coverage straight out posted "Death to jews." And comments like that being labeled antisemitic are what he is suing the ADL over.  And why the current EU investigation was opened.