I'm sorry c, but Jews in Israel and Palestine pre-exist The Turks falling over, and The Brits telling the European Jews to move in despite the Muslims living there.

But don't let history get in the way of a ridiculous metaphor.

Oct 22, 2023 5:47:55 GMT thereallt said:

Oct 22, 2023 4:13:53 GMT c said:

China moving warships into the Middle East. China and Russia both asked for a ceasefire in UN, but US vetoed it.

Believed they are there solely to check the US and force us back to noninterference, which we were supposed to be doing, but we are also doing anti-air for Israel.

US and Israel seems dead set on pushing all Palestinians are Hamas, and all Hamas are terrorists. Been like this for ages. Your classic middle eastern stereotype always was Palestine.

What is crazy is 70+ percent of the US wants no aid to Israel, and no support in the war. 95+ percent of our representatives demand aid. Only the Squad and the most extreme of MAGA oppose aiding Israel. MAGA online almost universally opposes Israel, because they are Jews. Progressives all support Palestine, and many support Hamas since peacefully solutions have not worked for the past 50 years to get a Palestinian state.

I do not back Hamas, but Palestine needs a state. Fencing them up forever is just not viable, and if any other country pulled this shit they would be condemned for it, and possibly invaded.

But I think the way this ends is clear. Most Palestinians in Gaza are going to die. US and China both will sit back and watch. The who live will he sent to the West Bank, and Israel will reclaim Gaza. Then in 20 to 30 years we do this again with the West Bank until the Palestine population is so small they are insignificant.

The Palestinans have been offered their own state on 3 separate occasions.  They turned it down every single time.   They don't want their own state, they want to destory Israel and claim that land as their state.

Got to love history and it's ability to bite us on the ass.

theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

The USA knows this better than most

Oct 22, 2023 5:55:21 GMT c said:

That was their homeland 6000 years before there were Jews. They have every right IMO to slaughter the people that were given their land.

In the US you walk on someone land and take something that is there, most Americans would say you have the right now to shoot and kill them. What is different in Israel?

Israel was founded before Islam even existed!!!!!    And it was a JEWISH homeland!!!



Every piece of archaelogical evidence backs this.  There were no mosques next to the Temple of Judea.    The so-called Palestinians are Arabs who trace their lineage back to Syria.    

Oct 22, 2023 9:49:55 GMT iNCY said:

Oct 22, 2023 5:47:55 GMT thereallt said:

The Palestinans have been offered their own state on 3 separate occasions.  They turned it down every single time.   They don't want their own state, they want to destory Israel and claim that land as their state.

Got to love history and it's ability to bite us on the ass.

theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

The USA knows this better than most

Not the brightest move by Israel.  Dosen't change the relevant facts though.   Even before Hamas the PLO's goal was ALSO to destroy the state of Israel.

Oct 22, 2023 5:55:21 GMT c said:

That was their homeland 6000 years before there were Jews. They have every right IMO to slaughter the people that were given their land.

In the US you walk on someone land and take something that is there, most Americans would say you have the right now to shoot and kill them. What is different in Israel?

I expect to see C leading the Native American revolution in the US any day now.

According to everyone else that use of second amendment applies to property, maybe they should arm up and start to massacre people on their lawful property.

And good to see people backing Israel be honest and admit this is about killing Muslims.  Because the Palestinian people originally followed Egyptian beliefs, then later converted to Islam.  They were settled in the region while the Semites were nomadic.  Then once the semites decided this was to be there homeland, they took over the region.

It is most widely thought, it was only after the Muslim conquest of the Levant in the 7th century, that the region began to be Arabized and Islamized.

The easiest definition I've found was,

" From a purely historical perspective, “Israel” predates “Palestine” by more than a millennium. But, with the Jewish people then dispersed from their homeland, and then “Palestine” became home to a substantial Arab population, again for more than a millennium. "

Historical population data backs this up, showing Jews as the majority for a period then the eventual change in demographic with Muslims as the majority.

But it's 2023. It's irrelevant which empire conquered who in 2000BC. What it is from both sides is hatred. Hamas is the extreme form of this, as is The Israeli retaliation. Unrelenting retaliation.

Oct 22, 2023 22:19:46 GMT c said:

According to everyone else that use of second amendment applies to property, maybe they should arm up and start to massacre people on their lawful property.

And good to see people backing Israel be honest and admit this is about killing Muslims.  Because the Palestinian people originally followed Egyptian beliefs, then later converted to Islam.  They were settled in the region while the Semites were nomadic.  Then once the semites decided this was to be there homeland, they took over the region.

I only have problems with Muslims that deliberately target children and murder them.

Oct 23, 2023 0:13:48 GMT thereallt said:

Oct 22, 2023 22:19:46 GMT c said:

According to everyone else that use of second amendment applies to property, maybe they should arm up and start to massacre people on their lawful property.

And good to see people backing Israel be honest and admit this is about killing Muslims.  Because the Palestinian people originally followed Egyptian beliefs, then later converted to Islam.  They were settled in the region while the Semites were nomadic.  Then once the semites decided this was to be there homeland, they took over the region.

I only have problems with Muslims that deliberately target children and murder them.

You’ll not get an argument from me on dead babies brah. But more than half the population of Palestine is under 18. Lots of dead babies to go around is all I’m sayin. And the dead babies don’t care if it was targeted or not.

Oct 23, 2023 0:13:48 GMT thereallt said:

Oct 22, 2023 22:19:46 GMT c said:

According to everyone else that use of second amendment applies to property, maybe they should arm up and start to massacre people on their lawful property.

And good to see people backing Israel be honest and admit this is about killing Muslims.  Because the Palestinian people originally followed Egyptian beliefs, then later converted to Islam.  They were settled in the region while the Semites were nomadic.  Then once the semites decided this was to be there homeland, they took over the region.

I only have problems with Muslims that deliberately target children and murder them.

If you do it with a rifle it's murder, but kids dying via guided missle and starvation it's all just casualties of war?

I also don't want to be that guy, but so many of the claims lack any sort of evidence on both sides.

Say what you want about Hamas, but the Palestinian death toll has exceeded 5,000. Over 60% of those deaths being women and children. 35 UN staffers killed as well. And the aid going in, is less than their usual imports with doctors operating without painkillers, etc.

In contrast, between February 2022 and September 2023, Ukraine has seen 27,149 civilian casualties - 9,614 killed, the rest injured.

The vast majority of Palestinians are innocent people, and I'm glad there's reporting out there calling out the retaliation - one reporter here called the bombing cruel.

It's like burning down the forest to find the bandit.

Funny how Hamas got generalized to Muslims so fast.  

And Israel pretty much said today they will treat everyone as Hamas when they ground invasion starts.  

" Internally, Israel's assault on Gaza is being called " mowing the grass "

Officially, codenamed “Operation Swords of Iron”, Netanyahu’s reprisal is set to far outweigh any past “grass mowing” operation. More than 360,000 reservists have been mobilised for a major ground campaign, many of whom had vowed not to participate in military service after Netanyahu recently moved to gut the power of Israel’s supreme court.

“Israel has the capacity to level Gaza and round up segments of the population, but that may not be wise. Doing so might serve the immediate impulse of exacting revenge on its enemies, but Israel would likely receive massive international condemnation from creating a desert in Gaza and calling it peace, and thus forgo the moral high ground it claims in the wake of the Hamas attacks.”
Key members of Netanyahu’s “emergency unity security cabinet” have demanded an “exit strategy” from Gaza. They fear a repeat of the failures of the past, with a new generation of jihadis born from the civilian “collateral damage” of a new military occupation.

“While violence is likely to escalate in the coming weeks, violence will not determine who wins this war,” says Alterman. “The winners will be determined at the negotiating table. The point of fighting the war is to get there. Even the most ferocious assault cannot alone lead to victory, and as Hamas will soon learn, the most ferocious assault can actually lead to defeat.”

It’s a lesson that also applies to Israel.

And it’s one US President Joe Biden recognised when he visited the conflict-torn state last week. The “vast majority of Palestinians are not Hamas”, he said. “Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people.”

He said failing to recognise such a distinction had caused the US to make severe mistakes after the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington DC."


www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/three-words-sum-up-israels-huge-mistake-with-gaza/news-story/0f7a5336bd3a02ecebb11112ae881c24

US not gonna do shit when the genocide starts. Israel just to claim everyone is Hamas and we will parrot that message in our media. Already pushing if you do not support Israeli counter action, or support palestine you are antisemitic. Some schools looking to label support for palestine as hate speech.

Israel just heavily bombed the area in South gaza they told Palestinians to flee to so they would not be considered Hamas. At least that is what is reported now. Sure this will be labeled another Hamas strike by the end of the night

www.nbcnews.com/video/-there-is-no-safety-anywhere-airstrikes-flatten-buildings-in-khan-younis-196324421939

The United States :

" Hey, everyone chill out.. no one do anything stupid. We don't want a world war.. these aircraft carriers are only here to make sure everyone stays cool. Just relax. Let Israel and Palestine sort this thing out. "

Also The United States:

" So Syria gave us a dirty look, and because Syria is mates with Iran and Iran is mates with Hamas, we decided to lob a few missiles their way. Everyone just relax, we don't want a world war. "

I assume we move to Iran before this all over. Let Israel start the war, then defend our ally in accordance to treaties.

Be the same situation, we just claim they struck first then let the missiles fly.

US could really a good large war about now anyway.  Great for our economy.  

Oct 27, 2023 6:14:21 GMT NATH45 said:

The United States :

" Hey, everyone chill out.. no one do anything stupid. We don't want a world war.. these aircraft carriers are only here to make sure everyone stays cool. Just relax. Let Israel and Palestine sort this thing out. "

Also The United States:

" So Syria gave us a dirty look, and because Syria is mates with Iran and Iran is mates with Hamas, we decided to lob a few missiles their way. Everyone just relax, we don't want a world war. "

If I was a US citizen I would be outraged, it's literally risking war with Iran purely to protect Israeli interests. Amazing how Israel has managed to buy the entire US political system.

And while I am on a rant... The US likes to get very pissy about people breaking the rules like Russia in Ukraine.
Meanwhile the US is executing foreign nationals in Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq etc.
No trials no permission from those governments, they just execute whole families on suspicion that one of them is a terrorist, even if they have taken no hostile action against the US. We execute people for thought crimes... But it doesn't seem to matter when it's brown people.

The CIA was formed 1947, and by 1949 we got involved in Syria and we been active in the country since. We been formally at war with them since 2014 with Operation Inherent Resolve. This is also why we are also shooting stuff down in Libya.

People can be outraged, but few people are old enough to remember a time when the US was not involved heavily in Syria overtly or covertly. Syria also is the site of the darkest of non-mobile US black sites that operate outside of international law.  We keep low level IS members there.  High ranking ones moved to the ships, or even subs some rumors have, but low level ones we toss in there until they break.  Why we went so hard when IS took the prisons to get them back.

Oct 27, 2023 7:12:55 GMT iNCY said:

Oct 27, 2023 6:14:21 GMT NATH45 said:

The United States :

" Hey, everyone chill out.. no one do anything stupid. We don't want a world war.. these aircraft carriers are only here to make sure everyone stays cool. Just relax. Let Israel and Palestine sort this thing out. "

Also The United States:

" So Syria gave us a dirty look, and because Syria is mates with Iran and Iran is mates with Hamas, we decided to lob a few missiles their way. Everyone just relax, we don't want a world war. "

If I was a US citizen I would be outraged, it's literally risking war with Iran purely to protect Israeli interests. Amazing how Israel has managed to buy the entire US political system.

And while I am on a rant... The US likes to get very pissy about people breaking the rules like Russia in Ukraine.

I should add..

The United States literally 48hr ago :

" Ok, Iran.. don't get involved in this conflict and we promise we won't do anything silly either... cool, glad we're on the same page. Because you know, if either of us did, that would be seen as an act of aggression. And no one wants that... "

The United States 48hrs later :

" Those rules only apply to you. "

Has the US ever been any different?  We still have black sites that literally operate outside of the genova convention and everyone knows it.  Currently we have them basically in international waters to make the legal side easier.  And so they cannot be attacked by drones doing a GPS strike.

Netanyahu now describing it's invasion as " Israel’s second war of independence " is a worrying sign. 

Turkey’s President Erdogan has also accused Israel of being a “war criminal”.

Netanyahu's response was,  " Don’t accuse us of war crimes. If you think that you can accuse our soldiers of war crimes that is hypocrisy. We are the most moral army in the world. "

Wait, what... 

Amnesty International and the Human Rights Watch have both previously reported on Israeli war crimes. So, moral... maybe not the right word.. 

Although I'm about to sound like c ( that's meant to be a light-hearted joke ) there's been numerous conversations in media over the last few days of " selective outrage " - meaning, 1,400 dead in the Hamas attacks are being mourned and rightfully so, it was awful and those responsible should burn. But now 7,700+ innocent people have been killed in Gaza. A big part of them being children. Acknowledging this, is almost considered a hate crime. 








Look in my eyes, what do you see... a cult of personality.

As the civilian death toll hits 8,000, add the Red Cross to that list who aren't afraid to call this out, who described the conflict as a “catastrophic failing that the world must not tolerate”.

“The absolute priority is the preservation of life, and that means allowing sustained deliveries of aid, and access for aid agencies,” the statement read.

The International Committee of the Red Cross has urged Israel to call off its ongoing bombardment of the Gaza Strip as the death toll continues to rise.

Oct 28, 2023 21:52:13 GMT NATH45 said:

Netanyahu now describing it's invasion as " Israel’s second war of independence " is a worrying sign. 

Turkey’s President Erdogan has also accused Israel of being a “war criminal”.

Netanyahu's response was,  " Don’t accuse us of war crimes. If you think that you can accuse our soldiers of war crimes that is hypocrisy. We are the most moral army in the world. "

Wait, what... 

Amnesty International and the Human Rights Watch have both previously reported on Israeli war crimes. So, moral... maybe not the right word.. 

Although I'm about to sound like c ( that's meant to be a light-hearted joke ) there's been numerous conversations in media over the last few days of " selective outrage " - meaning, 1,400 dead in the Hamas attacks are being mourned and rightfully so, it was awful and those responsible should burn. But now 7,700+ innocent people have been killed in Gaza. A big part of them being children. Acknowledging this, is almost considered a hate crime. 








Look in my eyes, what do you see... a cult of personality.

I'm pretty sure the incursion of the tanks the other night was meant to be the start of the ground invasion, but Israel found heavy resistance and have withdrawn to resort to levelling the place from a distance.

Israel is doing small scale raids. They want to minimize actual losses, so they pound the living fuck out shit with missiles then plan to go in and cleanup fast, then withdraw to avoid counter action. It is very likely they move against the West Bank after Gaza, so they will be super cautious. Killing are at a trickle pace right now in the West Bank but media is warning of an uprising, which means Israeli will slaughter them too most likely.

GOP in the states looking to pressure social media into censoring anything critical of Israeli action as anti-semitism.

Oct 29, 2023 4:19:15 GMT c said:

Israel is doing small scale raids. They want to minimize actual losses, so they pound the living fuck out shit with missiles then plan to go in and cleanup fast, then withdraw to avoid counter action. It is very likely they move against the West Bank after Gaza, so they will be super cautious. Killing are at a trickle pace right now in the West Bank but media is warning of an uprising, which means Israeli will slaughter them too most likely.

GOP in the states looking to pressure social media into censoring anything critical of Israeli action as anti-semitism.

That's what they're saying... Cod just be that they stuck their toe in the water and didn't have the stomach for it.
I mean they are more used to firing missiles at women and children in their homes.

Another proud day for America. 

Imagine someone proposing an humanitarian truce, that demands essential supplies be allowed into the Gaza Strip and humanitarian workers having sustained access and stresses the need to urgently establish a mechanism to ensure the protection of the Palestinian civilian population.

And The United States votes against it. #freedom. 

Austria. sure. And Hungary, Croatia and Czechia, yeap I get it. The tribalism is real in these places and that's 4 countries who should know better. Central American shithole Guatemala. Sure. And then there's a bunch of nobody island nations floating in the Pacific, including murder capital - PNG. Nice work America.

I mean, we're at a point, 3 weeks in where Russia is backing a ceasefire and condemning the Israeli bombing campaign.

" While we condemn terrorism, we categorically disagree that you can respond to terrorism by violating the norms of international humanitarian law, including indiscriminately using force against targets where civilians are known to be present, including hostages that have been taken," said ( hopefully without a sense of irony and a cunning smirk ) Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

And you know what happens with that cease fire? Hamas regroups and strikes again. They are the ENTIRE reason the Palestinian civilians are put in harms way.


How about the world proposes an alternative to Israel that is not "bend over, spread your cheeks and take it"

When it is you against the world, you are usually wrong. US the only real ally of Israel for the Palestinian genocide. And could be at war with China over this soon.

Cost of eliminating Hamas estimated at 300 kids per day. Doesn't phase the US of course, kids being killed violent here is just the cost of freedom.

More talk that Israel will not stop until they have total control of Gaza and people are all at least relocated to the West Bank. But talk of a West Bank uprising is in their media as well. So may push them back into Jordan forcefully and take the West Bank back as well.

There is no path to defeating Hamas in Israel without removing all of the Palestinians.