Regarding the limited aid relief.

" Impeding relief aid to Gaza may be a crime under the International Criminal Court's (ICC) jurisdiction, the court's top prosecutor told a news conference in Egypt.

Karim Khan also said Israel must make "discernable efforts, without further delay to make sure civilians receive basic foods, medicine".

United Nations officials have said the aid supplies are limited and do not correspond to the huge need on the ground.

The court has been investigating in the occupied Palestinian territories since 2021, looking into possible war crimes and crimes against humanity there from 2014 onwards.

Israel, which is not a member of the ICC, has previously rejected the court's jurisdiction and does not formally engage with its investigations. "

Oct 29, 2023 19:38:12 GMT c said:

Cost of eliminating Hamas estimated at 300 kids per day. Doesn't phase the US of course, kids being killed violent here is just the cost of freedom.

More talk that Israel will not stop until they have total control of Gaza and people are all at least relocated to the West Bank. But talk of a West Bank uprising is in their media as well. So may push them back into Jordan forcefully and take the West Bank back as well.

There is no path to defeating Hamas in Israel without removing all of the Palestinians.

Correction: 300 "brown" kids per day

Israel is not a member of the Rome Statute. So like the US, they are immune from war crime and crimes against humanity investigations.

How the US gets away with torturing people.

Oct 29, 2023 21:44:13 GMT iNCY said:

Oct 29, 2023 19:38:12 GMT c said:

Cost of eliminating Hamas estimated at 300 kids per day. Doesn't phase the US of course, kids being killed violent here is just the cost of freedom.

More talk that Israel will not stop until they have total control of Gaza and people are all at least relocated to the West Bank. But talk of a West Bank uprising is in their media as well. So may push them back into Jordan forcefully and take the West Bank back as well.

There is no path to defeating Hamas in Israel without removing all of the Palestinians.

Correction: 300 "brown" kids per day

Our founders never intended them to have the same rights as the white man, and at best, maybe only be worth 3/5th of what a white person was worth.

Mass arrests starting in the US for protesting for a cease fire agreement or end to Israeli agression as anti-semitism.  Most of the people being arrested are Jewish.  

Fucking Jews are so fucking anti-semitic these days it makes me sick.

British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and French President Emmanuel Macron expressed their concern about getting aid into Gaza and the risks of the Israel-Hamas war spreading.

As a response, conservative Americans are calling for less French and more Freedom in their fries again. Probably not yet, but likely.

"The leaders stressed the importance of getting urgent humanitarian support into Gaza. They agreed to work together on efforts both to get crucial food, fuel, water and medicine to those who need it, and to get foreign nationals out," a spokesperson for Sunak said.

Both leaders said the long stalled two-state solution, envisaging independent states for the Israelis and Palestinians, was the best way to create peace.

Oct 29, 2023 18:18:18 GMT thereallt said:

And you know what happens with that cease fire? Hamas regroups and strikes again. They are the ENTIRE reason the Palestinian civilians are put in harms way.


How about the world proposes an alternative to Israel that is not "bend over, spread your cheeks and take it"

Israel and war crimes are a little like America and guns.

The only way to beat a bad guy with a gun is a lot of good guys with guns.

That solution, is a two state solution that sees decades of occupation by the Israelis end.

I know American style foreign policy makes for great action movies, but to simply ignore the actions of Israel over nearly 80 years in a once Arab majority land and not understand how that breeds an extremist response is just silly. Terrorism is bad, and the actions by Hamas are awful. But this feud extends beyond 3 weeks ago. Far beyond.

Remember in the US justice is punitive. Someone must suffer, or die, for wrongs to be righted. Guy tries to break into your parked car for instance and most of America will say you have the right to kill them. Apply this to international relations, and Gaza attacked Israel so Israel has the right to attack them until they are no longer able to response. And that will only occur when most people are dead and Gaza is in ruins.

Two ways for this to truly end. Two state solution or genocide. Israel and the US prefer genocide.

But c Hamas attacked Israel, because Israel attacked Palestine, because Hamas attacked Israel, because Israel attacked Palestine, because Hamas attacked Israel, because Israel attacked Palestine...

See how this thing goes on and on...

We agree for once. A two state solution, is the solution.

Even a two state solution likely will not work, as Iran also wants Israel and give no fucks long term about either group. They want their holy land under Shia law in the end, and do not give a fuck about Jews or Sunnis.

Best solution would be to give Palestine the West Bank, then Israel the rest, but rule no nation can govern Jerusalem and put that shit under UN rule.

Otherwise nothing else that is done will stop zealots from wanting possession of the holy land.  Looking it up quick, Jerusalem changed leadership by force 44 times in documented history.  

Oct 29, 2023 23:17:35 GMT c said:

Remember in the US justice is punitive. Someone must suffer, or die, for wrongs to be righted. Guy tries to break into your parked car for instance and most of America will say you have the right to kill them. Apply this to international relations, and Gaza attacked Israel so Israel has the right to attack them until they are no longer able to response. And that will only occur when most people are dead and Gaza is in ruins.

Two ways for this to truly end. Two state solution or genocide. Israel and the US prefer genocide.

The Palestinians were offered their own state in at least 3 sepearate occasions.  Most notably The Camp David Summit in 2000.  Arafat's response was try and negotiate Israel out of existence.

The median age in Gaza is 18, unless they are time travelers most were not offered their own state or alive when Arafat was.

Arafat has been dead for 20 years now too, why are people who were not born bound to his decisions?

Oct 30, 2023 1:08:59 GMT thereallt said:

Oct 29, 2023 23:17:35 GMT c said:

Remember in the US justice is punitive. Someone must suffer, or die, for wrongs to be righted. Guy tries to break into your parked car for instance and most of America will say you have the right to kill them. Apply this to international relations, and Gaza attacked Israel so Israel has the right to attack them until they are no longer able to response. And that will only occur when most people are dead and Gaza is in ruins.

Two ways for this to truly end. Two state solution or genocide. Israel and the US prefer genocide.

The Palestinians were offered their own state in at least 3 sepearate occasions.  Most notably The Camp David Summit in 2000.  Arafat's response was try and negotiate Israel out of existence.

As opposed to Israel just taking the land over several decades, then offering a fraction of it back and calling it a negotiation.

I'm sure if The Russians took control of 80% of The United States over an 80 year period you'd be defending your right to bare arms and form a well regulated militia. Hell, Americans have stormed capitals over less.

" Wolverineeesss! "

Manifest destiny motherfuckers!!! US spent like 200 years just taking our country by force because it clearly we were the ones best suited to have it. Then we slowly got rid of the natives and tell other natives they are no longer welcome here and to take their terrorist asses back to Mexico.

Hamas fires a few rockets and these same people are screaming for annihilation.

Oct 30, 2023 4:25:06 GMT NATH45 said:

Oct 30, 2023 1:08:59 GMT thereallt said:

The Palestinians were offered their own state in at least 3 sepearate occasions.  Most notably The Camp David Summit in 2000.  Arafat's response was try and negotiate Israel out of existence.

As opposed to Israel just taking the land over several decades, then offering a fraction of it back and calling it a negotiation.

I'm sure if The Russians took control of 80% of The United States over an 80 year period you'd be defending your right to bare arms and form a well regulated militia. Hell, Americans have stormed capitals over less.

" Wolverineeesss! "

Arafat and the leaders of the PLO and Hamas are corrupt as hell and also stupid, doesnt mean the people of Palestine deserve to die...

Over the past 3,000 years of recorded history Israel has not occupied Palestine more than it has, wish I could find the Infographic on that, not to dispute the Israel state but to counter the idea they have a divine right to the land

Looking like the plan for Gaza is to push everyone south, force them into tent cities, then exile them into Egypt who will be under massive international pressure to take them.

I assume West Bank then will go to Jordan.  The PM's plan all along was to get rid of these two occupied settlements and he openly spoke of it.

" A bombshell plan to permanently relocate 2.3 million Palestinians from the Gaza Strip to Egypt has surfaced, which critics say exposes Israel’s true objective.

Israel’s Intelligence Ministry has devised the wartime proposal, which outlines the transfer of the entire population of the disputed territory to the Sinai Peninsula in Egypt.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu insisted the report was “a concept paper” drafted as part of a hypothetical exercise.

But critics say even discussing the idea should be out of the question.

“We are against transfer to any place, in any form, and we consider it a red line that we will not allow to be crossed,“ Nabil Abu Rudeineh, a spokesperson for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, said.

“What happened in 1948 will not be allowed to happen again.”

Efforts for a mass displacement of Palestinians would be “tantamount to declaring a new war”, he said.

A leaked copy of the report, which said it was drafted on 13 October, just days after the Hamas massacres of 7 October, offers strategies “to effect a significant change in the civilian reality in the Gaza Strip”.

It proposes moving the millions of people who reside in Israel to tent cities in Sinai while permanent cities in a humanitarian corridor are constructed.

A security perimeter would then be established on the Israeli border to prevent displaced Palestinians from returning to Gaza.

The document talks about the need for Israel to garner support from regional players like Turkey, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia for the plan to succeed.

Some of those nations could be encouraged to take displaced Palestinians in as refugees or permanent citizens, it added.

And the document describes Canada as another potential source of support given its “lenient” immigration policies.

Yoel Guzansky, a senior fellow at the Institute for National Security Studies in Tel Aviv, told NBC News in the US that the paper threatened to damage relations between Israel and Egypt.

“If this paper is true, this is a grave mistake,” Mr Guzansky said. “It might cause a strategic rift between Israel and Egypt. I see it either as ignorance or someone who wants to negatively affect Israel-Egypt relations, which are very important at this stage.”

News.com.au

I am certain these plans existed long before the Hamas attack.
It's a hard-line government this has always been their agenda.

Nobody wants these people in their countries they have been radicalised by constant persecution, how do they integrate. This is Israel's problem and you watch, there will be pressure on the world to take the Gaza residents

Israel takes less refugees per capita than just about anyone, because they maintain a right ro preserve their ethic demographics.

This is part of the reason for all this, the Palestinians are out reproducing the Jews at a rapid rate. Kick them out now or you can't later... Pharaoh did similar to the Jews in Exodus.

Yeah they been waiting for an excuse to carry this out, those plans were just fleshing out the details. And it being made clear, relocate to near the Egyptian border, or face execution as Hamas.

There is no infrastructure to move that many members of Palestine via flights. They are going to move them by ground. They will force the world, force Egypt to take them at the threat of slaughter and the world will. Then they will repeat with Jordan and the West Bank. They lobby many countries very hard, and stuff like this is the payoff.

Using the largest cargo planes though moving 2.4 billion will take 3600 or so flights, realistically, though looking at twice times that. Then countries will need to house them which will have a cost in the trillions. Push comes to shove, they would rather see them slaughtered than pay for them to be evacuated and cared for.  And the US is off the table for rehousing or supporting rehousing them.

That said I would support a 10 trillion spending plan to evac and house them in the US on the conditions they are granted citizenship and are moved to Wyoming, our least populated internal state.

Free cash not likely on the table since the House GOP is claiming we need to cut domestic spending for it. Even if the Senate GOP whips them in line, democrats are not feeling support related to international actions we are told we cannot afford domestic spending. They want to fund this shit use the money we have for the military and international actions for it.

We support Palestine, but more in the maybe the US should not be defending Israel with two war fleets. Pull our fleets, and military co-defense of Israel in this conflict, and this should all sort itself out in days.

The pro Palestinian protests are going to make nations a little hesitant to import aggrieved islamists. The footage of the 100k people in London bowing for prayers at the protest is sobering.


I have been wondering lately, how did the "diversity is our strength" last so long unchallenged? It's a bizarre statement.

Yemen declared war on Israel apparently..

US likely start be more public with our Yemen strikes now. Also likely to see more countries join in. Not gonna do Islamic genocide with no reactions from other muslims.

Dominos have Saudis declaring for Israel and Iran for Palestine in the near future.  Iran trying to force US into the war formally.

Israel bombed a refugee camp. Israel said it killed a terrorist there. Resuce workers said they killed at least 50 civilians.

I'm guessing this is why they didn't want aid going into Gaza, that way they might report the truth.

‘We knew’: Israel’s staggering refugee admission

A senior military commander has conceded the Israeli Defence Forces knew there were countless innocent men, women and children in a refugee camp it was targeting, but dropped bombs anyway.

The stark admission comes amid growing international condemnation of the air strike on the Jabalia refugee camp in Gaza’s north – the region’s largest – has killed dozens of people, including children.

Following the attack, which comprised at least six missiles, the IDF claimed those killed were Hamas terrorists, including a senior figure who helped mastermind the 7 October massacres in Israel.

But an interview with a high-ranking Israeli military figure undermines that assertion.

In an appearance on CNN with acclaimed broadcaster Wolf Blitzer, Lieutenant Colonel Richard Hecht was asked plainly if he could confirm whether Israel knew a large number of civilians, including children were in the camp.

“I can,” he replied.

Seemingly taken back, Blitzer repeatedly pressed Lieutenant Colonel Hecht on why the IDF launched air strikes when it knew civilians would be killed.

“Even if that Hamas commander was there, amidst all of those Palestinian refugees, Israel still went ahead and dropped a bomb, knowing a lot of innocent men, women and children would be killed?” Blitzer asked.

“We were focused on this commander … who killed many, many Israelis,” Lieutenant Colonel Hecht replied. “This is a very complicated battle space.”

Blitzer continued to ask why Israel seemed to disregard the high civilian cost of its attack.

“This is the tragedy of war,” he replied.

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As it stands, 8,525 civilian deaths in Gaza.

Claimed a Hamas leader was there which justified the killing of any number of refugees, aid workers and children. Many in the US claim if you even suspect an enemy to be there or in a hospital even, it is fair game to kill everyone present to kill them. Attitude is if they allow a single enemy combatant, even unknowingly, they are all now enemy combatants.

Does not apply to us mind you.  

Benjamin Netanyahu or " Bibi " as he likes to be called, has been accused of declaring a “holy war” against Gaza by supporters of Palestine, continuing to invoke religious themes in the escalating in recent appearances.

Critics say the tactic shows the leader is intentionally appealing to the Orthodox faction of his cabinet and drawing on “old time” ideas of religious battles.

In a televised address on Saturday night announcing the ground invasion of Gaza, the Israeli Prime Minister likened Hamas to the nation of Amalek — the biblical arch-enemy of the Israelites.

“You must remember what Amalek has done to you,’ says our Holy Bible — and we do remember, and we are fighting,” he said.

Mr Netanyahu was quoting from Deutreonomy, the fifth book of the Torah — which is made up of the first five books of the Hebrew Bible.

“The Bible says, ‘There is a time for peace, and a time for war.’ This is a time for a war,” he said.

Bibi is an Israeli conservative, a holy war is what his people want. The chosen people want to remove the non-believers. Deutreonomy is what the Christians here use when they want to make extreme claims as well.

Nov 1, 2023 5:09:09 GMT NATH45 said:

Benjamin Netanyahu or " Bibi " as he likes to be called, has been accused of declaring a “holy war” against Gaza by supporters of Palestine, continuing to invoke religious themes in the escalating in recent appearances.

Critics say the tactic shows the leader is intentionally appealing to the Orthodox faction of his cabinet and drawing on “old time” ideas of religious battles.

In a televised address on Saturday night announcing the ground invasion of Gaza, the Israeli Prime Minister likened Hamas to the nation of Amalek — the biblical arch-enemy of the Israelites.

“You must remember what Amalek has done to you,’ says our Holy Bible — and we do remember, and we are fighting,” he said.

Mr Netanyahu was quoting from Deutreonomy, the fifth book of the Torah — which is made up of the first five books of the Hebrew Bible.

“The Bible says, ‘There is a time for peace, and a time for war.’ This is a time for a war,” he said.

Of course its a holy war, the entire Zionist movement is religiously motivated.
The true goal is to clear out the West Bank, demolish the mosque so that the third temple can be built.

While the House GOP was fucking around, it forgot that our ability to provide intel to Israel was linked to the spending bills. Looking now for a small carveout to allow us to continue to international intel without the overall spending bills, but may end up being leveraged to just pass all the spending bills at the agreed upon limits.

Good chance the politicking sees the US have to pull out for some time.