Jan 26, 2024 1:46:10 GMT KING KID said:

Jan 26, 2024 1:43:29 GMT Blindy said:

So he did nothing physical then?

Cmon now. We’ve all asked for tit and pussy pics in our lives. I’m sure chicks have asked for dick pics too. Doesn’t make you a reprehensible person. 

The fact she peed on a video for him shows what kind of a dirty slut she was too. 

He also was talking contract with WWE at the time and this was an agreed upon result from Brock resigning, to get to have sex & get dirty photos of Janel Grant according to all of this. That's where Brock fucked up. He could have said "Fuck that, I am married and got kids, I want money and nothing else" but according to this, that's not the case. 

I just thought 2011 Brock said this, not 2021 as @theshow corrected me on. Not that it makes a difference but all the good will Brock was doing late in his career is on the line with this for sure. 

It's pretty sickening stuff having read through the account, and honestly he should be removed from WWE and never mentioned again in any capacity.

There's guys who were accused of a lot less who lost their entire careers over unproven allegations, or things like " emotional abuse " ... these guys, Vince and Ace should hang.

There is something that is more unsettling to me from what we've discovered today.

How many other employees knew this was happening? There is no way that other employees/wrestlers were kept in the dark about this.

I believe everyone that helped cover up this disgusting debacle should be fired asap. This is just pure evil.

Pretty awful stuff. I would not say surprising from any of them in a larger sense, though the details are obviously pretty awful and bringing the texts was uncomfortable to read.

It’s not hard to understand how a person gets stuck in that cycle. She has no money, no real work expetience, gets a $75,000 job from a guy on a reference from her landlord, he immediately starts threatening her with legal trouble at a level she’d be unable to defend herself against, now she starts feeling like what choice does she have but to do what she has to to stay in her position and eventually trauma is trauma and you stay in it.

But even if she were every bit of what Kid said, and I’m certain that Vince’s attorneys will make the case that she’s just a spurned girlfriend, several allegations in here are just blatantly illegal. There are several allegations of rape against at least two people and possibly a third when she said no and pimping her to employees.

Maybe it’s true, maybe it’s not, maybe it’s somewhere between. At no point should Vince be given the benefit of the doubt.

Jan 26, 2024 3:20:23 GMT Joey said:

There is something that is more unsettling to me from what we've discovered today.

How many other employees knew this was happening? There is no way that other employees/wrestlers were kept in the dark about this.

I believe everyone that helped cover up this disgusting debacle should be fired asap. This is just pure evil.

Obviously a lot of people were aware she was engaged in a physical relationship with Vince. I’m not sure there’s a lot of proof people knew that it wasn’t always consensual.

I've always argued Joey that it was the culture in the wrestling business..

There were guys *cough* Young Bucks *cough* who were literally sharing bunk beds with guys like perhaps the most high profile being Joey Ryan and Marty Scrull, etc and they simply didn't see anything or hear anything... come on?! And I don't necessarily want to bring a bunch of AEW guys into this, but they were literally in the trenches with a number of the accused.. Darby, Havoc, Lethal, etc and no one knew anything...

People know.

I'll say this, Chris Jericho has a lot of balls or sheer stupidity to like(he did unlike it) a tweet basically saying where's the same energy you all had for him but not for Brock Lesnar & Vince McMahon. AEW would be smart to completely ignore all of this. No cute Caster raps, no Jericho pot shots, nothing.

When the allegations first surfaced, it confirmed a lot of suspicions but there was enough plausible deniability to label Vince merely as a sex pest. A bad label, but definitely a step below a rapist and sex trafficker which is a whole different can of worms. We'll see how it washes out, I don't expect to see Vince brought to justice but these are some serious charges hanging over his head.

I agree with you Todd that at this stage trying to perform a witch hunt and trying to bring anyone outside of the accused is an exercise in futility.

I don't read a ton into Twitter likes, but the OP is a room temperature take, no? If anything this is receiving far more attention and so it should.

Jan 26, 2024 3:20:23 GMT Joey said:

There is something that is more unsettling to me from what we've discovered today.

How many other employees knew this was happening? There is no way that other employees/wrestlers were kept in the dark about this.

I believe everyone that helped cover up this disgusting debacle should be fired asap. This is just pure evil.

The craziest part is how much worse he’s probably done and got away with because the other women got their money and/or didn’t want to expose their names. That Flight From Hell and this are probably much smaller compared to shit they all got away with. Vince and other wrestlers. 

Wrestling is like rock stars mixed with testosterone mixed with drugs and mixed with a boss who’s in on it. Decades and decades of this stuff. 

So Vince liked to shit not only on the product and the fans.

I want to flag that Triple H, Stephanie and Nick Khan all voted “no” to Vince returning a year ago.

That feels important here.

If true (likely is), this will surely be the Dark Side of The Ring episode to rule them all.

What a terrible time to have eyes and the capability to read.

I am not 100% sure that Brock asked for the photos or even appreciated them. According to the reports, Vince seemed to enjoy telling her that he shared pics and stories about her. Given the premise, I can totally see Vince thinking this was a good idea to send pics to help the negotiation of a contract. Even though it is the most odd idea to us.

I also don't doubt that Brock doesn't have a phone that can receive videos and is out of cell tower range on the regular in the woods.

We know Vince claims he was molested, we know the old ring boy scandal, the rape accusations of the past, rumors of him and Sean Michaels, making out with divas, etc. My question, was he ever on the straight and narrow?

Jan 26, 2024 10:13:54 GMT rad said:

If true (likely is), this will surely be the Dark Side of The Ring episode to rule them all.

What a terrible time to have eyes and the capability to read.

Yeah, the Nine Lives of Vince McMahon on Vice just got done too early.

www.vicetv.com/en_us/video/vince-mcmahon-special/62f6b7cd33f2d312cc6b206b

Jan 26, 2024 19:40:23 GMT theend said:

Jan 26, 2024 10:13:54 GMT rad said:

If true (likely is), this will surely be the Dark Side of The Ring episode to rule them all.

What a terrible time to have eyes and the capability to read.

Yeah, the Nine Lives of Vince McMahon on Vice just got done too early.

www.vicetv.com/en_us/video/vince-mcmahon-special/62f6b7cd33f2d312cc6b206b

Dark Side could do a whole season just on Vince, and still have leftovers for future episodes.

Someone found a post from Ryan Nemeth from 8 years ago where he stated that female coworkers asked him to speak out about abuse, and after he did, Triple H announced to the locker room that he is a liar, and the women had their jobs threatened: www.reddit.com/r/AEWOfficial/s/FCSIcksOmP

Nemeth also famously spoke out about Bill DeMott.

Also Slim Jim has dropped their sponsorship of the Rumble tomorrow.

Jan 26, 2024 19:39:07 GMT theend said:

I am not 100% sure that Brock asked for the photos or even appreciated them. According to the reports, Vince seemed to enjoy telling her that he shared pics and stories about her. Given the premise, I can totally see Vince thinking this was a good idea to send pics to help the negotiation of a contract. Even though it is the most odd idea to us.

I also don't doubt that Brock doesn't have a phone that can receive videos and is out of cell tower range on the regular in the woods.

We know Vince claims he was molested, we know the old ring boy scandal, the rape accusations of the past, rumors of him and Sean Michaels, making out with divas, etc. My question, was he ever on the straight and narrow?

I read the lawsuit, he allegedly requested photos, videos and tried to arrange meetups, including a video of her urinating. .

14-year old me is absolutely furious that this dude has SABLE at home and is pulling this shit.

And not to mention that she SUED THE COMPANY FOR SEXUAL HARASSMENT WHEN SHE LEFT.

Lesnar can fuck all the way off. I hope she leaves him.

A lot in that lawsuit that did make the dirtsheets. Really hard read. Also read that due to specific wording in his contract, the board may not be able to vote out Vince either, and he will have to step own himself.

Funny how many people trashed the new generation for playing video games and stuff after shows, when this was what the old generation did instead.

You've conveniently forgotten about the Speaking Out Movement and the bulk majority of the talents who were accused, called out and had allegations against them were younger guys who were well and truly of ' this generation '

Super Geek Xavier Woods had sex on camera with a drug addicted Paige, who likely was being more than taken advantage of, considering it's on film and her well established battles with substance abuse. Regardless of a joystick in hand, it is the culture. As it is a lot of entertainment industries. Lifestyle, money, drugs, boredom leading to opportunist behaviour, rock star type fame and ego, etc it's a potential evil cocktail.

Jan 27, 2024 0:04:58 GMT c said:

A lot in that lawsuit that did make the dirtsheets. Really hard read. Also read that due to specific wording in his contract, the board may not be able to vote out Vince either, and he will have to step own himself.

Funny how many people trashed the new generation for playing video games and stuff after shows, when this was what the old generation did instead.

I thought there was a Code of Conduct clause in his 2023 contract. Pretty sure this would fall under that, except a case could probably be made that it happened prior to that new contract. Ugh.

Oh the new generation gamers aren’t so innocent. I remember some stuff with Paige. EDIT: I see Nath45 posted one incident.

(This was the main event of RAW)

I didn't read all 64 pages but I am stunned Vince didn't try this shit on the poor girl. You can get away with this stuff like 20+ years ago but it's insane he and Laurinitis thought this shit would fly in the modern decade. I do think Ace of the 2 is worse since 2021 Vince probably suffers or suffered from some form of dementia or mental illness where as Johnny has zero excuses for him doing as much as he did. The promo stuff VKM did with Austin Theory not too long after this was absolutely painful to watch and it had him stumbling over his words and struggling to follow a script. It's insane he still has script say even late to his career. Why Vince is fucked though is this has been a reoccurring theme and there's too much of this for so many years that this is just fuel to the fire. Just seeing Vince and seeing him try and cut a promo he's clearly lost in the head but even then, he has so many people beneath him that someone should have told him this isn't worth it.

Vinny Mac gone.

Just reported by Denise Salcedo and Sean Ross Sapp:

Vince McMahon has resign as Executive Chairman and the Board of Directors at TKO.

Vince is now 100% out!

Jan 27, 2024 1:43:16 GMT CM Punk'd said:

Just reported by Denise Salcedo and Sean Ross Sapp:

Vince McMahon has resign as Executive Chairman and the Board of Directors at TKO.

Vince is now 100% out!

New DVD self destruction of VKM.

Jan 27, 2024 1:11:52 GMT Blindy said:

Jan 27, 2024 0:24:25 GMT spladle125 said:

Brock does what Brock wants. Brock should be able rape women at will if he wants to.

I think Terri Runnels accused him of sexually harassing her IIRC BUT that was in 2002 when Brock was super young and honestly immature. Not that it matters because it's fucked no matter what but that's what Brock, Orton etc. did back in the day. The difference is Orton smartened up and wisened up, sadly by the sound of it, Lesnar didn't. Shame really. 

Brock was a 24-year-old man. Why do we excuse him because he was “super young.”

Vince McMahon being officially gone is the greatest thing ever.

I’d expect a Brock release in the near future. And given it’s TKO, there’s no UFC to try and milk.

Never thought I see the day that Vince McMahon gone from the company hallelujah

Jan 27, 2024 1:09:39 GMT Blindy said:

(This was the main event of RAW)

I didn't read all 64 pages but I am stunned Vince didn't try this shit on the poor girl. You can get away with this stuff like 20+ years ago but it's insane he and Laurinitis thought this shit would fly in the modern decade. I do think Ace of the 2 is worse since 2021 Vince probably suffers or suffered from some form of dementia or mental illness where as Johnny has zero excuses for him doing as much as he did. The promo stuff VKM did with Austin Theory not too long after this was absolutely painful to watch and it had him stumbling over his words and struggling to follow a script. It's insane he still has script say even late to his career. Why Vince is fucked though is this has been a reoccurring theme and there's too much of this for so many years that this is just fuel to the fire. Just seeing Vince and seeing him try and cut a promo he's clearly lost in the head but even then, he has so many people beneath him that someone should have told him this isn't worth it.

Oh I’m sure his lawyers will try and go the ‘he’s old and didn’t know what he was doing’ route, but there is no ‘worse’. Both are just as guilty. There is no justifications for his actions here or in the past.

That’s a slippery slope line of thinking that gives lawyers like McDevitt a chance to plant reasonable doubt in court and gets guys like McMahon off. [no pun intended]

I hope the floodgates open and people who have been ashamed or scared for years of retaliation or no one believing them will get Justice and peace in some form before they end up like Ashley Massaro who will never get either.

Some ‘light’ reading:

www.wrestlinginc.com/1140710/a-summary-of-all-known-allegations-against-vince-mcmahon/

And these are the ones we know about.

Jan 27, 2024 2:04:26 GMT KJ said:

Jan 27, 2024 1:11:52 GMT Blindy said:

I think Terri Runnels accused him of sexually harassing her IIRC BUT that was in 2002 when Brock was super young and honestly immature. Not that it matters because it's fucked no matter what but that's what Brock, Orton etc. did back in the day. The difference is Orton smartened up and wisened up, sadly by the sound of it, Lesnar didn't. Shame really. 

Brock was a 24-year-old man. Why do we excuse him because he was “super young.”

Because he was immature and this was a massive jumpup going from NCAA collegiate stud in Minnesota to very little OVW time to now main roster status main eventing with The Rock at Summerslam not too long around this time. 

As sad as this sounds, it's a product of the working environment. You had Bob Holly haze tons of young talent, JBL being a loose cannon, Undertaker running "Wrestler's Court", and Chris Benoit slowly becoming a roided up psychopath. Lesnar doesn't get to work with the premier talents if he isn't willing to do what's asked by the "boys". It's the same thing with Randy Orton taking a shit on a former diva's belongings.