Civil or Federal, I want to watch Vince burn for all the horrible things he has done in the past and present.

Feb 2, 2024 21:28:09 GMT Joey said:

Civil or Federal, I want to watch Vince burn for all the horrible things he has done in the past and present.

And he’ll burn through money. That’s my point.

If the victim wants to settle, we should support her. She’s not your avatar for Justice.

Feb 2, 2024 18:18:57 GMT KJ said:

Feb 2, 2024 15:24:29 GMT RT said:

The Nailz thing has been known for a while. He claimed Vince sexually assaulted him and that is why he attacked Vince and got fired. Assuming he will talk to the feds too.

Brock has been removed from WWE 2K and apparently “all creative plans.” Guessing they will just run out his contract and if any charges are pressed they will have an excuse to tear it up.

It’s a WM showcase. How do you remove Brock? 😂

Heard a hilarious solution of using instead the Beast Stevie Richards in all places Brock should have been.

Stevie Richards was the highlight of the WM2000 Fatal Four Way so I'm down for it.

Feb 2, 2024 21:31:00 GMT KJ said:

Feb 2, 2024 21:28:09 GMT Joey said:

Civil or Federal, I want to watch Vince burn for all the horrible things he has done in the past and present.

And he’ll burn through money. That’s my point.

If the victim wants to settle, we should support her. She’s not your avatar for Justice.

Also should they go to court and fight things through appeals, that means the one who benefits the most is not the victim but her lawyer.

Why so many are encouraged to settle.  Move into discovery and legal fees skyrocket.

Federal charges however can nail him to the wall.

Feb 2, 2024 21:31:00 GMT KJ said:

Feb 2, 2024 21:28:09 GMT Joey said:

Civil or Federal, I want to watch Vince burn for all the horrible things he has done in the past and present.

And he’ll burn through money. That’s my point.

If the victim wants to settle, we should support her. She’s not your avatar for Justice.

Of course she is not my avatar of justice. But she could be if she refuses a settlement.
There are still more revelations being discovered as I type this. This case is not over by a long shot. I wouldn't be surprised if TKO fires a bunch of people in the near future.

If the Feds get involved, then Vince is done.

Feb 3, 2024 3:33:53 GMT Joey said:

Feb 2, 2024 21:31:00 GMT KJ said:

And he’ll burn through money. That’s my point.

If the victim wants to settle, we should support her. She’s not your avatar for Justice.

Of course she is not my avatar of justice. But she could be if she refuses a settlement.
There are still more revelations being discovered as I type this. This case is not over by a long shot. I wouldn't be surprised if TKO fires a bunch of people in the near future.

If the Feds get involved, then Vince is done.

“But she could be” is your problem here.

Feb 3, 2024 4:03:03 GMT KJ said:

Feb 3, 2024 3:33:53 GMT Joey said:

Of course she is not my avatar of justice. But she could be if she refuses a settlement.
There are still more revelations being discovered as I type this. This case is not over by a long shot. I wouldn't be surprised if TKO fires a bunch of people in the near future.

If the Feds get involved, then Vince is done.

“But she could be” is your problem here.

Well, we'll just have to wait and see what she does. (shrugs)

More and more talk about how the Vince stuff was an open secret backstage. Likely when the investigation gets going the backstage management team will be gutted as people get named in disclosure documents. Expect some of the wrestlers as well to be fired if they get named. TKO expected to be ruthless about severing ties entirely with this side of WWE.

Wonder how long until the Rock himself resigns over getting tied to it.

People are actually wanting The Rock to get caught up in it due to this Mania crap, but we know that's just bruised potatoes. Saying that, you all know I love me some Dwayne, but no way he wasn't complicit in some way. At some point all staff/wrestlers had to have known or at least had an inkling. Maybe not with what happened in 2019-2022, but so many other things for so many years. Does that mean they should all lose their livelihoods over it? Well I guess it depends as to how complicit they were and that will be tough to prove in most cases. Especially if you knew, but didn't have a hand in it.

I think it was mentioned during our initial discussions here how it was known she was in a relationship with Vince.

So, you can bank your bottom dollar, a lot of people were likely privileged to the fact they were in some sort of relationship. But suggesting a lot of people knew of the alleged abuse, particularly the allegations where Ace is involve is purely speculation.

How many stories do you read/see where a family member is committing horrible crimes against another family member and everyone is going " we didn't know " upon hearing of the abuse.

Vince is responsible for this, and he should burn. But to destroy the lives of everyone who saw them eating breakfast together is another thing.

Yeah it is likely a good number of people in “the know” only knew that Vince had hired a woman he was having sex with and probably had some fairly derogatory thoughts about the privileged life she was leading having a job where she didn’t have to do anything because Vince was the reason she was there.

The other folks he offered her to though, oof. Need to know who those people are and why they didn’t report it.

Part of a lot of the stories of the guys in the 80's and 90's was how badly women got treated that around wrestlers. I assume most people around Vince knew about the different girls and just did not see it as abnormal in anyway. This is how wrestling was when they came up on smaller circuits, and how it was in WCW and WWE. The industry was poisoned until very recently when the younger guys like stopped wanting to be a part of this shit then those that keep up with it were all exposed hard during #SpeakingOut.

Was not limited not WWE either. NWA, Process and Chikara both got hit with it, along with dozens of smaller feds. Like this shit was the norm until very, very recently. Vince took it to a different level of depravity, but the way they all treat women as sex objects should not shock anyone.

And this was only one girl, I assume the federal investigation will be contacting the others that are known about from NDAs and the lawyer on this case said that women have reached out to him to talk about their experiences with Vince. This is likely gonna get very ugly and everyone backstage at WWE will be a target for named as knowing about the stuff and likely getting fired for not saying anything about it. The big star of the 90's I assume will also get named for knowing about all this stuff. And if he used this to get Brock to re-sign, he almost certainly did for the WCW war.

That means one of his formerly closest pals Good Old JR is in the crosshairs as well. Particularly if they're digging deep into a history of abuse.

I think the general outcome or response
from most will be that Vince had a lot of women over the years, and it was very much BAU for Vince to be in a relationship with someone who wasn't named Linda McMahon and they'll deny any knowledge of what was allegedly happening behind closed doors.

I say that, because Vince has more enemies than some of the most hated dictators in the third world - most of which have worked and travelled directly with him, most have said some nasty things about him over the years, yet no one has come out and gone into any great detail at least in regards to what has been said recently.

Maybe that's because they don't want to blackball themselves from the biggest company in the world, but maybe outside of being a sleeze bag and a pest, they weren't privileged to what was happening.

I still believe where there is smoke there's fire and based on what we've seen from Vince over the years and the recent allegations, it's incredibly probable that it's true.

While maybe not specific to this particular woman (I'd say case, but it is pertinent if there are previous cases as it establishes character and patterns), there have been a few people who have gone on record against what was allowed to go on with Vince and some of the female employees over the years. And not all of it was 'consensual'. Also, even if this woman was in a 'consensual' relationship with Vince didn't mean he didn't take advantage of her or any of the others. There were power dynamics at play, etc.

According to John Laurinaitis’ attorney, both Laurinaitis and Vince McMahon were aware of Ashley Massaro’s alleged assault during a WWE trip to Kuwait.

Now, VICE reports that Laurinaitis’ attorney Edward Brennan issued a statement declaring that WWE’s statement about Ashley Massaro is false. According to Brennan’s statement, Laurinaitis and Vince McMahon were both well aware of the allegations brought forth by Massaro, and further states that Laurinaitis was not involved in any sort of cover up. The statement to VICE reads:

“Any allegations that Mr. Laurinaitus helped to cover up an alleged rape allegation is an outright lie. Johnny, like most upper level management at sometime became aware of the allegations and ensured all proper WWE protocols were followed, including privacy for the alleged victim. We object to the use of the term cover up as no such plan or plot ever took place to hide or assist in the alleged rape.”

Massaro’s lawyer Konstantine Kryos* recently addressed the toxic culture in WWE, noting that Massaro herself was also allegedly harassed by McMahon himself and suffered consequences when she rejected his alleged advances.

Former WWE Tag Team Champion Paul London, who dated Massaro in the past, compared McMahon & WWE to NXIVM, the sex cult run by convicted leader Keith Raniere that involved Smallville actress Allison Mack.



* you might recognise the name, Kryos is the attorney that continually leads class actions against the WWE and fails.

I knew it wouldn’t be long until more started coming to light. I brought up Ashley Massaro before and now VICE has released a previously unreleased statement from her.

www.vice.com/en/article/epv78z/ashley-massaro-wwe-vince-mcmahon-sexual-divas

Timely for Kevin Dunn to leave just before this all came out.

Can't believe with all this, Gable Steveson is still fucking employed. Guess if you sexually assaulted someone in Minnesota before he got did, it is all good. They literally changed the law over him to finally close the intoxication loophole that prevented him from being charged because it was not illegal to sexually assault a drunk person by the letter of the law prior.

Francine former ECW Queen:

"I know there are a million stories out there about Vince with talent, other people in the office with talent. Never knew if they were true or not. You know, a lot of sources tell me a lot of the girls got their push because of the casting couch. I don’t know if that’s true or not."

“I mean when I worked there were stories floating around. And again, when I worked there I was told by somebody higher up that if you want to be seen, go get a bottle of oil… rubbing oil all over my b**** and knocking on Vince’s door and going in there and leaning on his desk and trying to get noticed. That’s what I was told to do. And, I said absolutely not. I’m not doing that.”

"And let me, I’m going on record, Vince never made a pass at me, Like he’s never been inappropriate, Like the one time went on Vince that was just weird. It was like, I guess he liked the way I looked when I came out of a makeup chair, but he’s never never done anything like inappropriate towards me. I just want to put that out there before this, you know, blows up or whatever.

But it’s like I was p*ssed off because, and I’m not trying to be, you know, an assh*le, but I know I have talent. I know I’m talented. I know what I can do in the ring. And when you have somebody who has experience and who knows what they’re doing to be told to just, you know, go in there and just do something like that, I’ve never been told to do anything like that in my life.

When I worked for ECW, I didn’t have to sleep with Paul or anybody, like, it was just my talent. I go to a place like this and it’s just all I hear is like, ‘This one’s doing this, and this one’s doing that, and this one’s with this one.’ I’m just, good Lord. Do they not look at a person and say, ‘Well, they’re a really good worker,’ you know, or ‘They’re really good on the mic,’ or ‘Okay, they’re a pretty girl, but they have tail only the talent.’ Really, to me, that wasn’t in play. It was like, what are you gonna do to get him to notice you?"

tjrwrestling.net/news/exw-wwe-diva-sobbing-vince-mcmahon/

Feb 10, 2024 17:44:16 GMT c said:

Can't believe with all this, Gable Steveson is still fucking employed. Guess if you sexually assaulted someone in Minnesota before he got did, it is all good. They literally changed the law over him to finally close the intoxication loophole that prevented him from being charged because it was not illegal to sexually assault a drunk person by the letter of the law prior.

This is a great fucking point. They literally changed a law to prevent exact what he did because it was a loophole. He’s a piece of shit too.

Crazy that Vince will never be in the Hall of Fame, but Eric Bischoff will be.

Feb 10, 2024 0:51:38 GMT iron maiden said:

I knew it wouldn’t be long until more started coming to light. I brought up Ashley Massaro before and now VICE has released a previously unreleased statement from her.

www.vice.com/en/article/epv78z/ashley-massaro-wwe-vince-mcmahon-sexual-divas

Timely for Kevin Dunn to leave just before this all came out.

This was the first thing that came to my head when this whole thing went down. You can't tell me that Kevin Dunn didn't know. That's why he high tailed it outta town.

I think this is along the lines of the 'ring boy' allegations and I don't know that it's worse than all the other allegations but Paul Roma says it is:

tjrwrestling.net/news/ex-wwe-even-worse-vince-mcmahon-allegations/

And speaking of Ring Boys...

www.wrestlinginc.com/1521025/former-wwe-ring-boy-give-interview-vince-mcmahon-pat-patterson-others/

Class Action?:

www.wrestlinginc.com/1521215/law-firm-launches-website-help-victims-vince-mcmahon-anyone-wwe-ufc/

The Paradise Alley crew def do not speak fondly of Vince and crew. When I was around Paul and Mario they always vague about the details, but gist was the backstage area was like Sodom and Gomorrah and people need to be prepared for this in wrestling and not be taken advantage of.  Also that sometimes going national is just not worth it due to the way you may be treated, and you may be happiest wrestling as a hobby and not your main job.

Talk to the old timers and they will not mince words about how degenerate things are, which make the talk of who knows so weird.  Everyone knew.  Like talent not even involved in the shit knew about it, so there was absolutely no way the guys in top did not know, assuming of course they were not actively involved.

Feb 20, 2024 14:34:16 GMT iron maiden said:

I think this is along the lines of the 'ring boy' allegations and I don't know that it's worse than all the other allegations but Paul Roma says it is:

tjrwrestling.net/news/ex-wwe-even-worse-vince-mcmahon-allegations/

And speaking of Ring Boys...

www.wrestlinginc.com/1521025/former-wwe-ring-boy-give-interview-vince-mcmahon-pat-patterson-others/

Class Action?:

www.wrestlinginc.com/1521215/law-firm-launches-website-help-victims-vince-mcmahon-anyone-wwe-ufc/

I remember hearing this rumor about Paul Roma's partner being asked to do stuff to get a head. At first i thought it was Hercules Hernandez because they were Power and Glory. But I really don't see them asking him anything because he had the drug problem "ALLEGEDLY". So the next person that came to mind was his Young Stallions partner Jim Powers. I remember his last match and then he just disappeared. So it might be him. 

What I don't get is, if all this information was well known, and the fact it's been happening for decades - why didn't a rival come out and destroy the McMahon Empire 30 years ago?

Eric could have won the Monday Night Wars before it even started by taking some of these allegations to the media.

But all these scumbags just sat on " oh, yeah.. he was doing all this bad shit for years " sort of stuff.

Feb 21, 2024 4:00:15 GMT Da Gr8t I Is said:

Feb 20, 2024 14:34:16 GMT iron maiden said:

I think this is along the lines of the 'ring boy' allegations and I don't know that it's worse than all the other allegations but Paul Roma says it is:

tjrwrestling.net/news/ex-wwe-even-worse-vince-mcmahon-allegations/

And speaking of Ring Boys...

www.wrestlinginc.com/1521025/former-wwe-ring-boy-give-interview-vince-mcmahon-pat-patterson-others/

Class Action?:

www.wrestlinginc.com/1521215/law-firm-launches-website-help-victims-vince-mcmahon-anyone-wwe-ufc/

I remember hearing this rumor about Paul Roma's partner being asked to do stuff to get a head. At first i thought it was Hercules Hernandez because they were Power and Glory. But I really don't see them asking him anything because he had the drug problem "ALLEGEDLY". So the next person that came to mind was his Young Stallions partner Jim Powers. I remember his last match and then he just disappeared. So it might be him. 

Everyone assumes it is Jim Powers at this point.  

Feb 21, 2024 4:34:50 GMT NATH45 said:

What I don't get is, if all this information was well known, and the fact it's been happening for decades - why didn't a rival come out and destroy the McMahon Empire 30 years ago?

Eric could have won the Monday Night Wars before it even started by taking some of these allegations to the media.

But all these scumbags just sat on " oh, yeah.. he was doing all this bad shit for years " sort of stuff.

Because WCW was just as bad. I mean listen to any old timer talk about rats and you know why nothing came out sooner.  Like if Eric toss out the rumors at the peak of the Monday Night Wars, almost certainly people would have come out talking about Hogan, Hall and Nash.  Also Vince would have just denied it.  Next to impossible to prove any of this stuff happened if the boys all circled wagons.  Hell even now the sole concrete evidence they have is Vince's text messages.  

As for why everyone is coming out now, congress passed a law in Dec of 2022 that voided all NDA's related to sexual assault or harassment.  Prior to this, speaking about this should would cost the people who signed an NDA millions. 

For those that did speak out like Ashley, people simply ignored it and called her crazy.  The whole Becky Bayless and Raven situation would have made Raven unhirable today, which was what was attempted then, but no one really cared if he had fucked an underage girl or not.

www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2024/2/21/24079224/john-cena-randy-orton-comment-vince-mcmahon-sex-abuse-wwe-changes

Well John, I don't think it's Vince who has the hill to climb, but if he does its of his own making. Way to make it about Vince though and not the victims.

Randy...well there was not a lot said there.

I thought I'd put this here since they seem to be doing this instead of the Vince McMahon biopic in light of these allegations but I'm not sure Flair is a better avatar. Jesus Dwayne, read the room.  

www.avclub.com/dwayne-johnson-announces-ric-flair-biopic-amid-vince-mc-1851276825