Jan 27, 2024 2:10:15 GMT iron maiden said:

Jan 27, 2024 1:09:39 GMT Blindy said:

(This was the main event of RAW)

I didn't read all 64 pages but I am stunned Vince didn't try this shit on the poor girl. You can get away with this stuff like 20+ years ago but it's insane he and Laurinitis thought this shit would fly in the modern decade. I do think Ace of the 2 is worse since 2021 Vince probably suffers or suffered from some form of dementia or mental illness where as Johnny has zero excuses for him doing as much as he did. The promo stuff VKM did with Austin Theory not too long after this was absolutely painful to watch and it had him stumbling over his words and struggling to follow a script. It's insane he still has script say even late to his career. Why Vince is fucked though is this has been a reoccurring theme and there's too much of this for so many years that this is just fuel to the fire. Just seeing Vince and seeing him try and cut a promo he's clearly lost in the head but even then, he has so many people beneath him that someone should have told him this isn't worth it.

Oh I’m sure his lawyers will try and go the ‘he’s old and didn’t know what he was doing’ route, but there is no ‘worse’. Both are just as guilty. There is no justifications for his actions here or in the past.

That’s a slippery slope line of thinking that gives lawyers like McDevitt a chance to plant reasonable doubt in court and gets guys like McMahon off. [no pun intended]

I hope the floodgates open and people who have been ashamed or scared for years of retaliation or no one believing them will get Justice and peace in some form before they end up like Ashley Massaro who will never get either.

Some ‘light’ reading:

www.wrestlinginc.com/1140710/a-summary-of-all-known-allegations-against-vince-mcmahon/

And these are the ones we know about.

Exactly, they will absolutely use his mental decline as a reason for these actions but as you said IM, he's got way too much baggage going on which is why he ain't getting out of this. He's done, his rep is done and he goes down knowing he inherited something massive from his father and he had to sell off and now be rid of from the company/product he helped establish. 

TKO/Endeavour did the right call. Slim Jim and other sponsors have or will take their products out, that's money being lost. Vince should have never been allowed back on TV to address the crowd on that Smackdown but better late than never I guess. 

He should have never been brought back period.

Apparently he’s denying the allegations and resigning out of ‘respect’ for the WWE Universe and TKO


www.fightful.com/wrestling/vince-mcmahon-continues-deny-allegation-says-he-resigning-out-respect-wwe-universe


I don’t think I can roll my eyes hard enough.

Jan 27, 2024 2:42:28 GMT iron maiden said:

He should have never been brought back period.

Apparently he’s denying the allegations and resigning out of ‘respect’ for the WWE Universe and TKO


www.fightful.com/wrestling/vince-mcmahon-continues-deny-allegation-says-he-resigning-out-respect-wwe-universe


I don’t think I can roll my eyes hard enough.

He will rather die & never concede that he messed up than actually owning up to any mistake he made. It's arrogance and stubbornness to the _th degree. He's taking this to the grave.

Good riddance to Vince McMahon.

But I swear, if I see anyone from his family or any wrestler trying to get the fans to chant "Thank you Vince" again, I am going to lose it.

I know Stephanie, HHH and Nick Khan voted to keep VKM out, but still...

Jan 27, 2024 2:29:32 GMT Blindy said:

Jan 27, 2024 2:04:26 GMT KJ said:

Brock was a 24-year-old man. Why do we excuse him because he was “super young.”

Because he was immature and this was a massive jumpup going from NCAA collegiate stud in Minnesota to very little OVW time to now main roster status main eventing with The Rock at Summerslam not too long around this time. 

As sad as this sounds, it's a product of the working environment. You had Bob Holly haze tons of young talent, JBL being a loose cannon, Undertaker running "Wrestler's Court", and Chris Benoit slowly becoming a roided up psychopath. Lesnar doesn't get to work with the premier talents if he isn't willing to do what's asked by the "boys". It's the same thing with Randy Orton taking a shit on a former diva's belongings. 

I disagree with this assessment entirely. That doesn’t excuse him or Orton.

Blindy you’re being weird. Stop digging, you’re deep enough.

Good riddance, Vince. You dumb bitch.

Thank you Mr. McMahon

You will always be my Chairman!

It's almost becoming a Chris Benoit type thing. On one hand, none of this is possible without Vince. No WWE, no WCW, no AEW... none, he made sports entertainment/wrestling what it is today.

On the other hand, he's a vile old piece of shit.

I stand corrected mikec

Jan 27, 2024 3:22:37 GMT KJ said:

Jan 27, 2024 2:29:32 GMT Blindy said:

Because he was immature and this was a massive jumpup going from NCAA collegiate stud in Minnesota to very little OVW time to now main roster status main eventing with The Rock at Summerslam not too long around this time. 

As sad as this sounds, it's a product of the working environment. You had Bob Holly haze tons of young talent, JBL being a loose cannon, Undertaker running "Wrestler's Court", and Chris Benoit slowly becoming a roided up psychopath. Lesnar doesn't get to work with the premier talents if he isn't willing to do what's asked by the "boys". It's the same thing with Randy Orton taking a shit on a former diva's belongings. 

I disagree with this assessment entirely. That doesn’t excuse him or Orton.

Why? You don't think people act or do things out of their element/personality if put into completely different environments than what they're use to being in? 

You can have the stance that Brock did something stupid & vile but nothing that was out of the realm for a bunch of talents back in 2002, especially for a young 20 something year old. The tragic part is 20 years later, he hasn't changed and that's the major issue if everything documented is true. 

Jan 27, 2024 3:32:07 GMT RT said:

Blindy you’re being weird. Stop digging, you’re deep enough.

Unlike the Bills fans who digged their stadium out of the snow for days on end, I don't think the end result is me losing. (6) 

So is Rock suddenly being on the board, they had to know this was coming down? Honestly the whole sale feels like it was all damage control to protect the wwe brand from Vince.

Jan 27, 2024 15:08:01 GMT @ness said:

So is Rock suddenly being on the board, they had to know this was coming down? Honestly the whole sale feels like it was all damage control to protect the wwe brand from Vince.

Rock was beginning to get some control, think he brought the XFL few years back from Vince. Just didn't think he'd get this much so soon, crazy how things spiraled out of control. 

SlimJim put the pressure on em'.

I meant to say earlier but didn’t, the most shocking stuff in here is that this was in the last three years. Like if I’d read this stuff happened in 2001, sure. But fuck it was going on 18 months ago. And he was being protected by several people to, at minimum, hire a woman he was having an illicit relationship with and give her no tasks outside of sex.

Every date stamp in the lawsuit would like shock me back to reality that this was a 70 year old guy texting a woman about black penises, etc.

Jan 27, 2024 15:04:54 GMT Blindy said:

Jan 27, 2024 3:22:37 GMT KJ said:

I disagree with this assessment entirely. That doesn’t excuse him or Orton.

Why? You don't think people act or do things out of their element/personality if put into completely different environments than what they're use to being in? 

You can have the stance that Brock did something stupid & vile but nothing that was out of the realm for a bunch of talents back in 2002, especially for a young 20 something year old. The tragic part is 20 years later, he hasn't changed and that's the major issue if everything documented is true. 

It doesn't excuse their behaviour. Full stop.

Sexual harassment is bad. Full stop.

The major issue is that it happened at all. Full stop.

Jan 27, 2024 15:57:14 GMT Blindy said:

SlimJim put the pressure on em'.

Vinny Mac will hate slim Jim's for life, especially after Randy Savage and Stephanie..Yadda Yadda Yadda.


Tell you what, good, fuck Vince, stupid old prick. Still awaiting TKs spin on all of this.

Jan 27, 2024 17:45:34 GMT RT said:

Jan 27, 2024 15:04:54 GMT Blindy said:

Why? You don't think people act or do things out of their element/personality if put into completely different environments than what they're use to being in? 

You can have the stance that Brock did something stupid & vile but nothing that was out of the realm for a bunch of talents back in 2002, especially for a young 20 something year old. The tragic part is 20 years later, he hasn't changed and that's the major issue if everything documented is true. 

It doesn't excuse their behaviour. Full stop.

Sexual harassment is bad. Full stop.

The major issue is that it happened at all. Full stop.

And water is wet. Full stop. 

Sexual harassment is never good but it was a toxic culture/working environment which was caused & created by Vince that was enabled by plenty, including a young talent like Lesnar. 

Bruce Pritchard about to be finito, Rousey gives zero fucks.

Jan 27, 2024 15:04:54 GMT Blindy said:

Jan 27, 2024 3:22:37 GMT KJ said:

I disagree with this assessment entirely. That doesn’t excuse him or Orton.

Why? You don't think people act or do things out of their element/personality if put into completely different environments than what they're use to being in? 

You can have the stance that Brock did something stupid & vile but nothing that was out of the realm for a bunch of talents back in 2002, especially for a young 20 something year old. The tragic part is 20 years later, he hasn't changed and that's the major issue if everything documented is true. 

Peer pressure isn’t a viable excuse for high school kids. It’s certainly not for full-grown adults.

Being able to get away with something because the culture allows it doesn’t it make it excusable.

Jan 27, 2024 21:11:15 GMT KJ said:

Jan 27, 2024 15:04:54 GMT Blindy said:

Why? You don't think people act or do things out of their element/personality if put into completely different environments than what they're use to being in? 

You can have the stance that Brock did something stupid & vile but nothing that was out of the realm for a bunch of talents back in 2002, especially for a young 20 something year old. The tragic part is 20 years later, he hasn't changed and that's the major issue if everything documented is true. 

Peer pressure isn’t a viable excuse for high school kids. It’s certainly not for full-grown adults.

Being able to get away with something because the culture allows it doesn’t it make it excusable.

In WWE back in 2002? This isn't a normal working environment and even though it's morally wrong, there was a "Boys will be boys" mentality where if you tried to be the moral police/crowd, you ended up biting the dust. Look at how much shit the Kliq got away with it a few years prior and when guys like Shane Douglas called the shit out, they were done with immediately by Vince. 

A few years later, Drew McIntyre's manhood/rep was forever shattered to Vince for letting Taryn Tarrell beat the shit out of him. Same with John Morrison not doing anything when Melina was having an affair with Batista. 

I hold more blame on VKM than Brock for the shit in 2002, it's just that Lesnar fucked up royally 20 years later where he deserves whatever fate happens to him if the allegations hold up. 

Jan 27, 2024 22:56:13 GMT Blindy said:

Jan 27, 2024 21:11:15 GMT KJ said:

Peer pressure isn’t a viable excuse for high school kids. It’s certainly not for full-grown adults.

Being able to get away with something because the culture allows it doesn’t it make it excusable.

In WWE back in 2002? This isn't a normal working environment and even though it's morally wrong, there was a "Boys will be boys" mentality where if you tried to be the moral police/crowd, you ended up biting the dust. Look at how much shit the Kliq got away with it a few years prior and when guys like Shane Douglas called the shit out, they were done with immediately by Vince. 

A few years later, Drew McIntyre's manhood/rep was forever shattered to Vince for letting Taryn Tarrell beat the shit out of him. Same with John Morrison not doing anything when Melina was having an affair with Batista. 

I hold more blame on VKM than Brock for the shit in 2002, it's just that Lesnar fucked up royally 20 years later where he deserves whatever fate happens to him if the allegations hold up. 

Yeah, none of that refutes what I said, nor does it single out Brock.

It was unacceptable for everyone involved. No one gets a pass.

Jan 27, 2024 17:59:48 GMT Blindy said:

Jan 27, 2024 17:45:34 GMT RT said:

It doesn't excuse their behaviour. Full stop.

Sexual harassment is bad. Full stop.

The major issue is that it happened at all. Full stop.

And water is wet. Full stop. 

Sexual harassment is never good but it was a toxic culture/working environment which was caused & created by Vince that was enabled by plenty, including a young talent like Lesnar. 

Here I highlighted the problem for you so you can hopefully figure out where you're going wrong and why everyone is arguing with you.

Think you guys are glossing over the consistent points I have said throughout the thread that this is an issue of the working environment Vince McMahon has laid out. My overall point is that Brock engaging in this in recent year vs back then looks worse.

Jan 27, 2024 23:47:30 GMT Blindy said:

Think you guys are glossing over the consistent points I have said throughout the thread that this is an issue of the working environment Vince McMahon has laid out. My overall point is that Brock engaging in this in recent year vs back then looks worse.

No, we're saying that doesn't matter.

Jan 27, 2024 23:52:58 GMT KJ said:

Jan 27, 2024 23:47:30 GMT Blindy said:

Think you guys are glossing over the consistent points I have said throughout the thread that this is an issue of the working environment Vince McMahon has laid out. My overall point is that Brock engaging in this in recent year vs back then looks worse.

No, we're saying that doesn't matter.

Brock Lesnar sucks for what he did multiple times let's leave it at that.

Jan 27, 2024 23:56:47 GMT Blindy said:

Jan 27, 2024 23:52:58 GMT KJ said:

No, we're saying that doesn't matter.

Brock Lesnar sucks for what he did multiple times let's leave it at that.

Question (paraphrasing): "How much knowledge did you, Steph and Kahn have upon Vince's return to the company and what effect do you think this will have on WWE going forward?"

HHH:





Yeeeeaaahhhhh. 

Trips deflecting to "positivity" and gate numbers is a really bad look.

All he had to do was pull out a "we're taking these allegations very seriously, yada yada, respectfully I must move on to another question as legally I can only say so much", or something similar to that affect.  

Sure, it's PR corporate speak and not an easy question but no one smart enough would blame him for that answer. This just makes him look like an insensitive asshole. 

You're not going to get into it at a press conference, are you.

I know I'm a mark, but it certainly didn't look anyway near as uncomfortable as it's made out. They've had a stellar week professionally, and the WWE is killing it and has been for 18 months. That success has had nothing to do with Vince McMahon. Hunter is responsibly, and should speak to that.

These poor bastards, especially Hunter - as the face of the business - now have the shitty task now of turning up every day and every week and having to perform damage control because of the actions of Vince McMahon. There's likely a lot of questions from the team and the roster. And a lot of people who consider themselves journalists wanting to catch WWE out with a got-ya question.

I thought it was a pretty poor answer. Dave unsurprisingly went way over the top with his thirst to make WWE look bad, but nevertheless, it was a surprisingly poor answer from a guy who always looked smart enough to know to at least rehearse these things.