Apr 1, 2024 1:41:20 GMT Gyro LC said:

Apr 1, 2024 1:30:53 GMT iNCY said:

We could get into some of the pagan origins of Easter and also talk about fertility rituals etc. but Easter is one of the holiest days in the Christian calendar.

I really don't understand why the white house would make Easter Sunday the Transgender day of visibility. There are plenty of Democrat Christians and this feels like a huge own goal.

Nevermind the fact the are pride months and transgender days already...

Just a really strange decision.

It’s been March 31 for years. Easter won’t be on March 31st again until 2086, so you’ll be safe for a while.

I get that,but it was this year the Biden did a press release formally recognising it... Again, just a weird decision to do that this year, when it is Easter.

It may be the last year he's president so better to do it now. And he's a devout Catholic, so it's not like he's trying to stick it to Easter.

www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/03/31/a-proclamation-on-transgender-day-of-visibility-2021/
www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2022/03/30/a-proclamation-on-transgender-day-of-visibility-2022/
www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/03/30/a-proclamation-on-transgender-day-of-visibility/

This is the fourth year in a row the White House made an announcement for this.  

And for our trans haters.

Apr 1, 2024 2:37:42 GMT c said:

www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/03/31/a-proclamation-on-transgender-day-of-visibility-2021/
www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2022/03/30/a-proclamation-on-transgender-day-of-visibility-2022/
www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/03/30/a-proclamation-on-transgender-day-of-visibility/

This is the fourth year in a row the White House made an announcement for this.  

Cannot wait to see the GOP fuck themselves over by running on trans hate again like they did in 2022.  Works out great last time, why not run that back <.<

It's a different world now, the trans movement has really screwed up their case.

Or a small minority cannot accept a changing society where trans people are not closeted. Just like you did with gay people before.

Most people don't give a shit if you're gay or trans.

Most people just don't want to hear you talking about it every 5 minutes.

I'd rather hear about your hobbies and interests, and what makes you laugh, at least that way you're showing some real personality and maybe we might find we have something in common.

It's not that I don't care, but I'd rather a conversation or a relationship be two way than listening to an infomercial whenever we speak. And I'd rather a mutual respect earned through this relationship and on merit rather than it being a given based on whatever expectation someone feels they deserve based on ideology or simply identity.

Apr 1, 2024 2:44:36 GMT c said:

Or a small minority cannot accept a changing society where trans people are not closeted. Just like you did with gay people before.

How did I do that with gay people?
That's an oddly specific accusation.


Where movements change is when they seek to be about acceptance and move towards controlling narratives.
I don't want my daughter in a change room with a deviant who is waving their dick around... How's that for bigoted?

The men in women's sport, the men in women's change rooms etc. that's not about someone's personal choices anymore.

Strangely, you don't see alot of female to males forcing themselves into men's sports or men's spaces..

These are crazy times.

Nor do male to female. The amount of trans people that do that is less than cis-men who sexually assault females in female only spaces.

Men have always been in women's sports anyway. Believed that 30% to 40% or more of women record holders are DSD. Genetic testing is not done by default though, and XY females are allowed to compete, as are XXY females. And of course, most trans people that play sports are not beating cis-women. Freaking out over a handful of people.

Like the whole gay marriage fight, this is just latching on to whatever excuse people can find to demonize a group.

Who's freaking out? One side of politics is constantly, the majority of people in the real world just want to live and let live respectfully without the constant bombardment from the left.

Are you serious right now? Trans people get attacked relentlessly and just want to be left alone, but the problem is people pointing out this a problem?  Fuck people basically ran someone off this board for mentioning they were gender fluid.  Literally some non-out people on the old board left because of the anti-trans attitudes still here to this day.

That's not at all the point being made at all. And you know that.

Attacks.. verbally, physically are never justified based on these grounds and I would never suggest it isn't something that happens. Or should happen. And you know that.

Most people don't engage in these continual culture or social wars, most people don't think like you think they do, most people don't think like your boogeymen Charlie Kirk or Ben Shapiro,

Most people don't go out of their way to engage in any acts of violence or threats either. 

But every other day, a TikToker is upset and there's an article, and there's outrage and there's a debate.. it's every other day, or there's another report of someone being told they can't get what they want, and it's an outrage, etc. Or a young person is suffering from climate anxiety, etc. Or someone is being ablest or someone is being mistakenly discriminated against because the world was unaware of their ailment. And it's an outrage and everyone on one side of politics is pissed off and we're shutting down businesses and cancelling people who are usually seemingly unaware they've walked into the offended person's odd ball fever dream that's playing out in front of them.

Watch the classic clip from Berkeley's Socialist convention, even speaking amongst friends, it's almost satire. It's odd. And this is the bombardment of the constant, of the continual, of the never ending outrage that just frustrate normal people.

You read the articles, you post them.

As mentioned, the majority of people want to live and let live. They don't go out of their way to hurt others either in real life or online. They want live their lives, and want to be able to do it without continually being told what to think or who to worship.

A Jehovah's Witness will move onto the next house when the occupant says " no, thanks.. " but the left won't. They want to talk at people, tell people, dictate to people, they don't want to converse or break down ideas or debate the topic in a civilised manner, they especially don't want to be challenged.

A topic like this, a greater conversation around mental health is warranted, among other layers to this conversation, but it will always be a one sided conversation.

Apr 1, 2024 5:34:39 GMT c said:

Are you serious right now? Trans people get attacked relentlessly and just want to be left alone, but the problem is people pointing out this a problem?  Fuck people basically ran someone off this board for mentioning they were gender fluid.  Literally some non-out people on the old board left because of the anti-trans attitudes still here to this day.

Trans people want to be left alone... To what? Expose their penises to women in female change rooms? To take opportunities from women in sports? To invade lesbian spaces?

I read the other day that it's transphobic to reject a potential partner on the fact they have a penis... Really don't see that's people wanting to be left alone, but what do I know.

Nobody was run off the board for being trans, I will tell someone to reject ideas of masculinity or femininity if they don't fit with them, but I draw the line at pushing someone towards an ideology with a 40% suicide rate, only slightly less deadly than smoking.

Where is Kara? Where is Jenn? Where is KITN? Kara and Jenn vanished after the old boards got transphobic, KITN not been around since INCY personally attacked his believe he was genderfluid.  Who knows how many others have been driven away over this issue.

But hey, keep hating guys, soon everyone else will gone and this place will be paradise finally I assume.

Apr 1, 2024 9:27:28 GMT c said:

Where is Kara? Where is Jenn? Where is KITN? Kara and Jenn vanished after the old boards got transphobic, KITN not been around since INCY personally attacked his believe he was genderfluid.  Who knows how many others have been driven away over this issue.

But hey, keep hating guys, soon everyone else will gone and this place will be paradise finally I assume.

Find anywhere I bullied or attacked someone for their sexuality or gender identity.
Gender ideology is a cult and a one way ticket to depression and suicide attempts. That's what the science says anyway.
I don't anyone to believe the lies they peddle and end up in a desperate state, only because I genuinely don't want anyone to suffer needlessly.

KITN was last online yesterday and was posting in Feb...

Sounds like to make it right we need to acknowledge Easter as a federal holiday ending the long stretch between president's and memorial...

Apr 1, 2024 12:15:02 GMT @ness said:

Sounds like to make it right we need to acknowledge Easter as a federal holiday ending the long stretch between president's and memorial...

We get Friday, Sunday and Monday as holidays.
It's why we are the lucky country.

We also get those days as holidays. As usual the USA gets the short straw.

Apr 1, 2024 12:15:02 GMT @ness said:

Sounds like to make it right we need to acknowledge Easter as a federal holiday ending the long stretch between president's and memorial...

Great weekend for hospitality workers, 2.5x my hourly rate for all 4 days.
A lot of smaller businesses close because they can’t afford to pay said wages, but always my favourite payday of the year :lol:

Apr 1, 2024 14:10:17 GMT System said:

Apr 1, 2024 12:15:02 GMT @ness said:

Sounds like to make it right we need to acknowledge Easter as a federal holiday ending the long stretch between president's and memorial...

Great weekend for hospitality workers, 2.5x my hourly rate for all 4 days.
A lot of smaller businesses close because they can’t afford to pay said wages, but always my favourite payday of the year :lol:

Presumably there are also fewer people to serve? So it's even better.

In high school I worked at a movie theater and we got 1.5x on holidays. Christmas was one of the busiest days of the year. Don't people have places to be then?

Apr 1, 2024 3:24:52 GMT iNCY said:

Apr 1, 2024 2:44:36 GMT c said:

Or a small minority cannot accept a changing society where trans people are not closeted. Just like you did with gay people before.

How did I do that with gay people?
That's an oddly specific accusation.


Where movements change is when they seek to be about acceptance and move towards controlling narratives.
I don't want my daughter in a change room with a deviant who is waving their dick around... How's that for bigoted?

The men in women's sport, the men in women's change rooms etc. that's not about someone's personal choices anymore.

Not a parent but if I had a son I wouldn't want a dude waving his dick around in his face either so I dunno what that has to do with transgendered people

Dude sometimes I feel lucky to get the fed holidays off. Turns out America just sucks bruh.

Apr 2, 2024 0:24:00 GMT Michinokudriver said:

Apr 1, 2024 3:24:52 GMT iNCY said:

How did I do that with gay people?
That's an oddly specific accusation.


Where movements change is when they seek to be about acceptance and move towards controlling narratives.
I don't want my daughter in a change room with a deviant who is waving their dick around... How's that for bigoted?

The men in women's sport, the men in women's change rooms etc. that's not about someone's personal choices anymore.

Not a parent but if I had a son I wouldn't want a dude waving his dick around in his face either so I dunno what that has to do with transgendered people

When you have daughters, you will understand.

Teach your kids to hit the speedbag.

To iNCY point, if the greater good says respectfully they wish for their rights to be protected. Then it must remain protected. Safe spaces for women, children and men for that matter must be protected for obviously reasons. No one individual, no one's feelings or no one's beliefs should trump that.

It's not bigotry, or anti anything, it's common sense with the safety and privacy of that group in mind.

It doesn't make it wrong in protecting one group of people, it does not.. and I repeat, it does not threaten another by doing so. It isn't an act of violence and it doesn't put any one individual in danger being asked to respect others.

It's not entirely one way either. There's plenty of men and boys who would feel uncomfortable with a woman in their change room, not because they fear a naked female body, but because they have their own insecurities about their own bodies. And because they've been bought up to respect the privacy of the opposite gender.

iNCY isn't talking about just being around a naked person with the opposite set of bits, though. He's (unless I'm reading this wrong, which is of course entirely possible) describing a guy who gets his jollies out of waving his dick around in front of underaged kids

which could just as well happen if said guy was in the men's changing room with boys

or a woman likes flashing at little girls

but somehow those are never brought up as potential problems

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To be clear, I'm more than okay with having, say, a third independent small shower room at the gym or whatever. Chances are there'd be a line, as there are people of all genders who don't want to be shirtless around anyone period.

But there's a particular trans-panic behind the "but changing rooms!" talk that needs to be addressed.

Apr 2, 2024 1:33:46 GMT Michinokudriver said:

iNCY isn't talking about just being around a naked person with the opposite set of bits, though. He's (unless I'm reading this wrong, which is of course entirely possible) describing a guy who gets his jollies out of waving his dick around in front of underaged kids

which could just as well happen if said guy was in the men's changing room with boys

or a woman likes flashing at little girls

but somehow those are never brought up as potential problems

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To be clear, I'm more than okay with having, say, a third independent small shower room at the gym or whatever. Chances are there'd be a line, as there are people of all genders who don't want to be shirtless around anyone period.

But there's a particular trans-panic behind the "but changing rooms!" talk that needs to be addressed.

The inherit issue is that most of the men now exhibiting as transgender are not experiencing genital dysphoria, but a sexualised fetish of themselves as women.

I cannot accept that someone truly experiencing gender dysphoria would want their penis on display in a ladies change room, surely that would elevate dysphoria?

It's a similar story of men in women's sport, if you truly felt dysphoria about your gender, wouldn't you be embarrassed to dominate due to your masculinity?

Yes, sex pests are an issue everywhere and can be in boys change rooms too, but not a high percentage of men in mens change rooms are sex pests, I don't think I'd say the same about men in womens change rooms.

The best solution is to have no common areas and just cubicles, then it doesn't matter.
The change rooms at the pools near us have family change rooms that are a large cubicle where you can take your children to change, which I am very grateful of having daughters, but already my eldest is outgrowing that, but at least I can wait outside.

Apr 1, 2024 16:50:48 GMT Gyro LC said:

Apr 1, 2024 14:10:17 GMT System said:

Great weekend for hospitality workers, 2.5x my hourly rate for all 4 days.
A lot of smaller businesses close because they can’t afford to pay said wages, but always my favourite payday of the year :lol:

Presumably there are also fewer people to serve? So it's even better.

In high school I worked at a movie theater and we got 1.5x on holidays. Christmas was one of the busiest days of the year. Don't people have places to be then?

The opposite, Australians will use any excuse to drink alcohol.

Apr 2, 2024 2:14:11 GMT iNCY said:

Yes, sex pests are an issue everywhere and can be in boys change rooms too, but not a high percentage of men in mens change rooms are sex pests, I don't think I'd say the same about men in womens change rooms.

To be fair, it wouldn't be difficult to suggest the majority of trans people are great people. Or at the very least, normal, boring people who don't go out of their way to cause any harm.

But it's opportunity. Or it allows for it. It allows those who might take advantage to take advantage. And that 1% or less is why you can't just open the gates and be cool with it. Because evil exists and it exists across all demographics. And evil assholes love opportunity. And there's always going to be some prick who wants to exercise their right or thinks it's funny for them to be there on the grounds of " well, I identity as this or that, so there "

Surely businesses can make their own mind up, but in the public space, safe spaces need to be adhered to, considering often the only line of defence stopping someone entering a particular space is an invisible line and a sense of decency.