I absolutely believe Biden cares more about people (and America) than Trump.

That is not, by any means, a statement on his ability to lead the country.

Jun 29, 2024 14:03:12 GMT KJ said:

I absolutely believe Biden cares more about people (and America) than Trump.

That is not, by any means, a statement on his ability to lead the country.

I would disagree.
Trump makes no attempt to hide his narcissism because he's crass and arrogant.
Biden has a fascade but he's a monumental piece of shit too, look at how he treaded Judge Thomas during his Supreme Court hearings.

They're all self serving and power hungry.

It's also clear that much of the media have been running a protective shield for Biden have totally stuffed the Democrats and themselves, the American people should be angry their Presidents decline was hidden from them.
This all could have been avoided.

Jun 29, 2024 15:36:10 GMT iNCY said:

It's also clear that much of the media have been running a protective shield for Biden have totally stuffed the Democrats and themselves, the American people should be angry their Presidents decline was hidden from them.
This all could have been avoided.

It’s not just that it was hidden …it was hidden poorly.

For months, a liberal like me has been pointing it out. But you’ve got radicals like c who refuse to acknowledge it’s true. 

It’s been evident to everyone for so long.

But right now, today, this is on Biden above all else. Only he can control whether he steps down or not. Much like RBG, he’s waited too long and now it’s too late.

Jun 29, 2024 14:51:50 GMT iNCY said:

Jun 29, 2024 14:03:12 GMT KJ said:

I absolutely believe Biden cares more about people (and America) than Trump.

That is not, by any means, a statement on his ability to lead the country.

I would disagree.
Trump makes no attempt to hide his narcissism because he's crass and arrogant.
Biden has a fascade but he's a monumental piece of shit too, look at how he treaded Judge Thomas during his Supreme Court hearings.

They're all self serving and power hungry.

Thomas is also a POS, so digging up an incident decades ago doesn’t change my opinion. I do believe Biden cares, just like I still fully believe W was a good man who cared.

Having your heart in the right place and being a good president are two mutually exclusive conversations.

I disagree. There is no way Biden cares more than Trump or is even competent enough to have the emotion to care.

I also think it’s bullshit that they lost the debate and are now saying that he needs to step down and let someone else run in his place. The dudes been incompetent for years. You don’t just get to change him NOW because he’s about to lose the election and you don’t want to give up the office and lose control.

History will show that the Democrats were ruined by liberals and all their crimes will be exposed. One day. This DNC party is communists and if you don’t have enough proof through forcing Biden to be POTUS to puppet him, through censorship, allowing
MILLIONS of immigrants to come here illegally and all the other illegal activities they’ve condoned or made less of a crime, then you should not even be eligible to vote.

Jun 29, 2024 15:56:14 GMT KING KID said:

I disagree. There is no way Biden cares more than Trump or is even competent enough to have the emotion to care.

I also think it’s bullshit that they lost the debate and are now saying that he needs to step down and let someone else run in his place. The dudes been incompetent for years. You don’t just get to change him NOW because he’s about to lose the election and you don’t want to give up the office and lose control.

History will show that the Democrats were ruined by liberals and all their crimes will be exposed. One day. This DNC party is communists and if you don’t have enough proof through forcing Biden to be POTUS to puppet him, through censorship, allowing
MILLIONS of immigrants to come here illegally and all the other illegal activities they’ve condoned or made less of a crime, then you should not even be eligible to vote.

They can absolutely change him. And it’s smart. Trump won’t lose one supporter, regardless who the Dems run.

The Demss, however, can gain significant support with a different candidate.

Democratic voters biggest flaw is Election Day apathy. They just don’t show up when they’re not interested in a candidate. Biden will drive legions of apathetic voters to stay home.

It's honestly embarrassing as a country that these are the best we can do. We get what we deserve I suppose.

Jun 29, 2024 16:09:14 GMT @ness said:

It's honestly embarrassing as a country that these are the best we can do. We get what we deserve I suppose.

100%, this is the long and short of it.

Didn’t watch the debate, didn’t really need to. But this discussion of Biden, Trump, etc. opens up one of history’s biggest what if’s: what if Biden had run four years earlier? He would’ve beaten Trump (who barely squeaked by the legitimately least popular candidate in modern political history) in 2016, Trump would probably not have run a second time, and he’d either be wrapping up his second term now or we’d have some completely different Republican in charge.

Also I suppose this is true in most presidential election years, but the overwhelming negativity about the state of the country is something I just don’t see. Yes prices are up and it bothers me like anybody else, but to listen to a Trump speech would make me think seven people a day are being stabbed by Colombian drug lords on every corner while cities are burning down like Kings Landing at the end of Thrones.

Jun 29, 2024 17:28:59 GMT mikec said:

Didn’t watch the debate, didn’t really need to. But this discussion of Biden, Trump, etc. opens up one of history’s biggest what if’s: what if Biden had run four years earlier? He would’ve beaten Trump (who barely squeaked by the legitimately least popular candidate in modern political history) in 2016, Trump would probably not have run a second time, and he’d either be wrapping up his second term now or we’d have some completely different Republican in charge.

Also I suppose this is true in most presidential election years, but the overwhelming negativity about the state of the country is something I just don’t see. Yes prices are up and it bothers me like anybody else, but to listen to a Trump speech would make me think seven people a day are being stabbed by Colombian drug lords on every corner while cities are burning down like Kings Landing at the end of Thrones.

I have a theory that in modern politics, say the last 10-15 years, nobody has been elected in... As much as a party has been elected out. When voters feel enough anger or apathy, they vote for change.

Jun 29, 2024 23:17:10 GMT iNCY said:

Jun 29, 2024 17:28:59 GMT mikec said:

Didn’t watch the debate, didn’t really need to. But this discussion of Biden, Trump, etc. opens up one of history’s biggest what if’s: what if Biden had run four years earlier? He would’ve beaten Trump (who barely squeaked by the legitimately least popular candidate in modern political history) in 2016, Trump would probably not have run a second time, and he’d either be wrapping up his second term now or we’d have some completely different Republican in charge.

Also I suppose this is true in most presidential election years, but the overwhelming negativity about the state of the country is something I just don’t see. Yes prices are up and it bothers me like anybody else, but to listen to a Trump speech would make me think seven people a day are being stabbed by Colombian drug lords on every corner while cities are burning down like Kings Landing at the end of Thrones.

I have a theory that in modern politics, say the last 10-15 years, nobody has been elected in... As much as a party has been elected out. When voters feel enough anger or apathy, they vote for change.

Spot on. I've said the same with Australian politics. No one wins, the other side just loses.

Jun 29, 2024 23:17:10 GMT iNCY said:

Jun 29, 2024 17:28:59 GMT mikec said:

Didn’t watch the debate, didn’t really need to. But this discussion of Biden, Trump, etc. opens up one of history’s biggest what if’s: what if Biden had run four years earlier? He would’ve beaten Trump (who barely squeaked by the legitimately least popular candidate in modern political history) in 2016, Trump would probably not have run a second time, and he’d either be wrapping up his second term now or we’d have some completely different Republican in charge.

Also I suppose this is true in most presidential election years, but the overwhelming negativity about the state of the country is something I just don’t see. Yes prices are up and it bothers me like anybody else, but to listen to a Trump speech would make me think seven people a day are being stabbed by Colombian drug lords on every corner while cities are burning down like Kings Landing at the end of Thrones.

I have a theory that in modern politics, say the last 10-15 years, nobody has been elected in... As much as a party has been elected out. When voters feel enough anger or apathy, they vote for change.

I’d say it’s been that way since America had the audacity to elect a black man.

We do the same thing here.

And early polls show Biden got a small bump off the debate because voters felt Trump was the epitome of a smug lying politician.  Focus groups with undecided voters, all saw most people post debate lean towards Biden because they did not feel they could trust Trump.  

Also appears Trump did a lot of damage to latino outreach who do not agree with his immigration remarks.

Jun 29, 2024 23:17:10 GMT iNCY said:

Jun 29, 2024 17:28:59 GMT mikec said:

Didn’t watch the debate, didn’t really need to. But this discussion of Biden, Trump, etc. opens up one of history’s biggest what if’s: what if Biden had run four years earlier? He would’ve beaten Trump (who barely squeaked by the legitimately least popular candidate in modern political history) in 2016, Trump would probably not have run a second time, and he’d either be wrapping up his second term now or we’d have some completely different Republican in charge.

Also I suppose this is true in most presidential election years, but the overwhelming negativity about the state of the country is something I just don’t see. Yes prices are up and it bothers me like anybody else, but to listen to a Trump speech would make me think seven people a day are being stabbed by Colombian drug lords on every corner while cities are burning down like Kings Landing at the end of Thrones.

I have a theory that in modern politics, say the last 10-15 years, nobody has been elected in... As much as a party has been elected out. When voters feel enough anger or apathy, they vote for change.

I don’t really see the argument for that in American presidential politics. In the last 30 years, only twice has the party in power lost the popular vote (2008 and 2020).

The more ”likeable” candidate has won basically every presidential election in America since 1980 (maybe before, but I don’t have a great basis from before that). Certainly there’s a segment of Trump’s 2016 fanbase rejecting Obama, but given the incredibly tight margin he won by in PA, WI and MI against Hillary who inspired a level of vitriol reserved for few politicians in the last 40 years and that Trump lost by a significant count nationwide, I don’t think it’s really debatable that Biden would’ve won that race.

The bigger factor in American elections is a system of electing a president (and the upper house of legislature) that favors voters in tiny states and gives their vote more meaning. In all but one of the last 8 elections the Democrat won the popular vote.

Jun 30, 2024 2:11:39 GMT mikec said:

Jun 29, 2024 23:17:10 GMT iNCY said:

I have a theory that in modern politics, say the last 10-15 years, nobody has been elected in... As much as a party has been elected out. When voters feel enough anger or apathy, they vote for change.

I don’t really see the argument for that in American presidential politics. In the last 30 years, only twice has the party in power lost the popular vote (2008 and 2020).

The more ”likeable” candidate has won basically every presidential election in America since 1980 (maybe before, but I don’t have a great basis from before that). Certainly there’s a segment of Trump’s 2016 fanbase rejecting Obama, but given the incredibly tight margin he won by in PA, WI and MI against Hillary who inspired a level of vitriol reserved for few politicians in the last 40 years and that Trump lost by a significant count nationwide, I don’t think it’s really debatable that Biden would’ve won that race.

The bigger factor in American elections is a system of electing a president (and the upper house of legislature) that favors voters in tiny states and gives their vote more meaning. In all but one of the last 8 elections the Democrat won the popular vote.

Obama won the Popular Vote in 08, didn’t he?

Remember … it was just a cold.

x.com/billym2k/status/1807190714561995057?s=46&t=-TsyD7miKv5r_4Ww8_LOOg

Jun 30, 2024 2:20:01 GMT KJ said:

Jun 30, 2024 2:11:39 GMT mikec said:

I don’t really see the argument for that in American presidential politics. In the last 30 years, only twice has the party in power lost the popular vote (2008 and 2020).

The more ”likeable” candidate has won basically every presidential election in America since 1980 (maybe before, but I don’t have a great basis from before that). Certainly there’s a segment of Trump’s 2016 fanbase rejecting Obama, but given the incredibly tight margin he won by in PA, WI and MI against Hillary who inspired a level of vitriol reserved for few politicians in the last 40 years and that Trump lost by a significant count nationwide, I don’t think it’s really debatable that Biden would’ve won that race.

The bigger factor in American elections is a system of electing a president (and the upper house of legislature) that favors voters in tiny states and gives their vote more meaning. In all but one of the last 8 elections the Democrat won the popular vote.

Obama won the Popular Vote in 08, didn’t he?

Republicans were in power in 08 and then lost the popular vote. The incumbent party in the White House has lost the popular vote only those two times since Clinton.

Jun 30, 2024 3:21:28 GMT mikec said:

Jun 30, 2024 2:20:01 GMT KJ said:

Obama won the Popular Vote in 08, didn’t he?

Republicans were in power in 08 and then lost the popular vote. The incumbent party in the White House has lost the popular vote only those two times since Clinton.

Oh oh oh, I misread. My bad!

Since 1992 Dem won every popular vote election, except 2004. This coming one up does not look to break the mold.

Why conservatives went from the embracing the silent majority to bucking democracy and supporting federalism.

Jun 30, 2024 3:09:16 GMT KJ said:

Remember … it was just a cold.

x.com/billym2k/status/1807190714561995057?s=46&t=-TsyD7miKv5r_4Ww8_LOOg

He was fine the next day in his remarks.   

Jun 29, 2024 17:28:59 GMT mikec said:

Didn’t watch the debate, didn’t really need to. But this discussion of Biden, Trump, etc. opens up one of history’s biggest what if’s: what if Biden had run four years earlier? He would’ve beaten Trump (who barely squeaked by the legitimately least popular candidate in modern political history) in 2016, Trump would probably not have run a second time, and he’d either be wrapping up his second term now or we’d have some completely different Republican in charge.

Also I suppose this is true in most presidential election years, but the overwhelming negativity about the state of the country is something I just don’t see. Yes prices are up and it bothers me like anybody else, but to listen to a Trump speech would make me think seven people a day are being stabbed by Colombian drug lords on every corner while cities are burning down like Kings Landing at the end of Thrones.

It is crazy how many people believe Minneapolis and Portland were burned to the ground in 2020 and just do not exist anymore. 

Quite humorous how many people are calling for the old man to leave the election, but not the felon and sex predator. Good to know the standards for the country are sounding old at a debate. Sexual assault, fucking a porn star who reminds you of your daughter while your wife is pregnant and fraud all totally fine.

Jun 30, 2024 4:52:35 GMT c said:

Jun 30, 2024 3:09:16 GMT KJ said:

Remember … it was just a cold.

x.com/billym2k/status/1807190714561995057?s=46&t=-TsyD7miKv5r_4Ww8_LOOg

He was fine the next day in his remarks.   

Almost like reading from a teleprompter is different than having to think on your feet.

Jun 30, 2024 8:32:43 GMT c said:

Quite humorous how many people are calling for the old man to leave the election, but not the felon and sex predator. Good to know the standards for the country are sounding old at a debate. Sexual assault, fucking a porn star who reminds you of your daughter while your wife is pregnant and fraud all totally fine.

You’re not that stupid.

People on the left want him to leave because the old man is on-pace to *LOSE* to a felon and sex predator.

That’s the problem.

Replacing someone after the primaries will be seen as absolutely undemocratic and pissing on the will of the voters.

This would be how I vote Trump to enjoy watching things burn.

Dem made their choice twice voting for Biden to lead them, it is far too late to walk shit back.

Jun 30, 2024 13:50:40 GMT c said:

Replacing someone after the primaries will be seen as absolutely undemocratic and pissing on the will of the voters.

This would be how I vote Trump to enjoy watching things burn.

Dem made their choice twice voting for Biden to lead them, it is far too late to walk shit back.

I couldn’t disagree more. And hey, there’s no right or wrong.

I think the vast majority of the Democratic base will feel better electing an alternative.

That’s not the same as saying it’s ideal, or even something right. But it’s where we are.

This is why I would not support this. They do it now, they will could do it again when say a candidate the mainstream people do not like wins the primary.

And it is not like the primary was forever ago, most people voted for Biden within the last two months. Biden is the same person today he was two months. Some days he has low energy. Usually in the evenings. He likely is on those old man hours of waking up at 4 and sleeping at 8. If people did not notice now that is on them.

But yeah, I would vote Trump if he is swapped just to send a message that primaries matter and I will not support a party that looks at the will of the people then go, naw this is who you REALLY wanted instead.

It always feels like I'm voting democrat less for the party and more because I can't support the opposition, all in hopes there's enough D's that will hopefully counter the hard-rs. It never seems enough. Why can't they actually stand up to them? Where's our Scumbag Left Project 2025?