Then of course we had CPAC using a nazi symbol for their stage.

www.rawstory.com/cpac-stage-nazi-rune/

Just in, breaking news. Stages are racist.

They are when they are the same symbol the SS used for racial purity.

People fucking cry about rainbows, but nazi symbols are totally cool apparently.  

Like if you cannot wear the symbol in a US prison maybe you should not design your stage like it.

God, there's a lot of whataboutism today.

Again, you're cherry picking something to be offended about. CPAC denounced it... 3 years ago, when it happened and the company responsible for the staging took responsibility for it unaware that the design had any other meaning. 99.9% of the world wouldn't see any hidden meaning in that set up. 

Jul 1, 2024 1:21:55 GMT NATH45 said:

God, there's a lot of whataboutism today.

Again, you're cherry picking something to be offended about. CPAC denounced it... 3 years ago, when it happened and the company responsible for the staging took responsibility for it unaware that the design had any other meaning. 99.9% of the world wouldn't see any hidden meaning in that set up. 

The left’s ability to look for ways to be offended like this are equal to the Q crazies doing numerology.

Yeah what normal person would be offended when they see the symbol of odists on the CPAC stage, a group that murders black and hispanic people.

Here two girls likely killed by Odinists.

www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2024/04/29/delphi-murders-carroll-county-prosecutor-odinism-richard-allen-trial-2024/73503271007/

Get some air Buddy.

Whatever, embrace the nazi shit. But stop whining when people call you out for it.

c, I'm a Nazi now?

Jul 1, 2024 0:12:33 GMT KJ said:

Jun 30, 2024 23:35:11 GMT KING KID said:

- Office who enforces censorship. 

- Office who pretends the President is running the country when clearly he is not. (See previous post on KJP)

- Office who arrests their political opponent. I mean, does it get more communist than that?

- Office who allows MILLIONS of undocumented people into their country. 


I can go on and on. 

Those aren’t communism. Those aren’t great things, true or not, but that’s not what communism means.

I agree with this, but there are also plenty of reasons to think that the Dems are becoming more Communist.
I'm not edumacated like most of you, bu as I understand it, in a true socialist society the role of government diminishes to the point it doesn't exist. Communism is almost socialism except the state moderates the needs instead of society. The plan is always that communism is the gateway to socialism, but the communists never surrender their power.

The hard left are way more Communist than they are socialist, it's how they earn the title of elitist, because they believe they should be making the rules for all of society. How much you can earn, what you can read, what you are allowed to believe. The left always has grand ideas on how to best spend other people's money but zero idea of how to get any more of it.
This is why stupid ideas like MMT pop up, as if there was a way to spend without taxing and that was sustainable.

“How much you can earn, what you can read, what you are allowed to believe.”

This is both sides, in today’s America. They’re both tugging over control.

Jul 1, 2024 3:11:55 GMT KJ said:

“How much you can earn, what you can read, what you are allowed to believe.”

This is both sides, in today’s America. They’re both tugging over control.

Here I am going to let my bias show.
I have two beautiful daughters in Primary School over here in Australia.
Our school has the Australian National Anthem that they sing at assembly played with a didgeridoo.
I'm totally cool with that, I like it, a nod to all of Australia.
We recently changed the National Anthem from we are "Young and free" to "One and free" as the indigenous population was here for hundreds of thousands of years, again I think it is a great change.

My daughter says to me last year, that she loves assembly because they get to honour the Aboriginal people.
I asked her why that was important, and she told me it is important because they are really nice people and the white people killed them...
This annoys me, I have no problem denouncing the atrocities committed by the early white settlers, but to deny that the population that was here were a primitive society with rape, infanticide and even cannibalism in their culture, is not helpful.
This is where we are in our country now, we only have sinners and saints, all perspective is lost.

Last week they were designing posters for NAIDOC week, that's ( Aboriginals' and Islanders' Day Observance Committee) for those who didn't know... This is another white guilt opportunity in the schools:



They were asked to make posters along the lines of the above, it just doesn't sit right with me... I am all for teaching history as it is,  but I don't want schools teaching racial division.
I am pretty glad I don't have sons, because the anti male sentiment is strong as well.

So as a conservative, I am not looking for book bans.
What I would prefer is that schools stay out of ideology and teach the facts, they aren't there to promote their political ideology.

Morality should be a function of the parents teaching, it is not the role of schools or society to tell my children how their lives should look.
In schools here now you can go to jail if you were a teacher and expressed anything other than 100% support for a child's lifestyle decisions.


It bothers me that this has become a political issue now, but strong families make for strong countries, strong economies and happy societies.
One of the first acts of the socialists and communists is to break up the family units as they don't want any family to have any sort of support that competes with the state.
This is one of those cases where people who are now considered right-wing were once centrists and they haven't moved an inch, the goalposts have.

I don't want to ban people from having access to information they require, I take objection with the indoctrination of our youth.
Not a hypocrite here either, I don't think Christianity should be in schools either.

I agree with everything you said, but the last sentence was key.

Just as the left is going g too far in schools with ideology, the right is jamming Christianity into schools.

So to my point, it’s both. Both behave the same way, just on opposite sides of the spectrum.

The Left simply put, hates Western Civilization.

Jul 1, 2024 5:33:25 GMT NATH45 said:

The Left simply put, hates Western Civilization.

Now that not accurate either. C, maybe.

The problem with the left will always be that it’s not homogenous. It’s a tent for everyone that’s “not the right.”

The right is primarily white and primarily Christian.

The left is everyone else. Unfortunately, that means lots and lots of very weird fringe people

Rubio clarifies that black jobs are in fact the low wage jobs that others do not want to do at the price.

Happy 90th anniversary of the Night of the Long Knives for those here who are celebrating.

Jul 1, 2024 7:01:06 GMT c said:

Rubio clarifies that black jobs are in fact the low wage jobs that others do not want to do at the price.

Rubio didn't handle that very well, he should have dug-in on the premise of her question.
Trump was asked specifically about the black vote and he mentioned migration being a threat to black jobs.

That doesn't mean that black jobs are all low wage or that migrants were only taking black jobs, the answer was in direct reference to the question.
Rubio shouldn't have dignified the second part of the question with a response.

Jul 1, 2024 7:05:16 GMT c said:

Happy 90th anniversary of the Night of the Long Knives for those here who are celebrating.

Get some help.

Jul 1, 2024 5:37:55 GMT KJ said:

Jul 1, 2024 5:33:25 GMT NATH45 said:

The Left simply put, hates Western Civilization.

Now that not accurate either. C, maybe.

The problem with the left will always be that it’s not homogenous. It’s a tent for everyone that’s “not the right.”

The right is primarily white and primarily Christian.

The left is everyone else. Unfortunately, that means lots and lots of very weird fringe people

The "Progressive" left hates the status quo, that would be a fair call.
The issue the West faces is that workers got rights, women got equality so they are stuck manufacturing new causes to progress.
Gays can get married, so we are constantly pushed further to find topics to "progress" over.

Jul 1, 2024 0:56:52 GMT c said:

Here is the Charlottesville group that people cried did not have nazis.

So weird I saw a bunch of Palestinians holding that same flag in Manhattan. 

Jul 1, 2024 7:54:13 GMT iNCY said:

Jul 1, 2024 5:37:55 GMT KJ said:

Now that not accurate either. C, maybe.

The problem with the left will always be that it’s not homogenous. It’s a tent for everyone that’s “not the right.”

The right is primarily white and primarily Christian.

The left is everyone else. Unfortunately, that means lots and lots of very weird fringe people

The "Progressive" left hates the status quo, that would be a fair call.
The issue the West faces is that workers got rights, women got equality so they are stuck manufacturing new causes to progress.
Gays can get married, so we are constantly pushed further to find topics to "progress" over.

This will always be the way of the world. We’re almost constantly moving forward. I’m not sure stuck is the way I’d describe it, it’s a feature and not a bug that progressives got women the right to vote, created a financial safety net, pushed through important civil rights legislation, and has increased protections for homosexual couples. I do think that as progression rolls further that the progressives of one generation tend to become more conservative as their issues become resolved.

Jul 1, 2024 12:32:12 GMT iNCY said:

women got equality

Did we? I'd say many of those 'causes' are still progressing as in many cases they've regressed.

Jul 1, 2024 12:32:12 GMT iNCY said:

he left always has grand ideas on how to best spend other people's money but zero idea of how to get any more of it.

Sure they do. It's 'tax the rich'. Which you and I both know is akin to shooting yourself in the foot.

Jul 1, 2024 15:24:54 GMT KING KID said:

Jul 1, 2024 0:56:52 GMT c said:

Here is the Charlottesville group that people cried did not have nazis.

So weird I saw a bunch of Palestinians holding that same flag in Manhattan. 

Those kids are just as bad.  Waving the Hamas fly is disgusting.

Jul 1, 2024 16:38:38 GMT iron maiden said:

Jul 1, 2024 12:32:12 GMT iNCY said:

women got equality

Did we? I'd say many of those 'causes' are still progressing as in many cases they've regressed.

Jul 1, 2024 12:32:12 GMT iNCY said:

he left always has grand ideas on how to best spend other people's money but zero idea of how to get any more of it.

Sure they do. It's 'tax the rich'. Which you and I both know is akin to shooting yourself in the foot.

Literally progressive taxation is the core foundation of progressive ideology.  Throughout the so-called glory days of America we had a strong progressive tax.  Only when it went away did people believe America needed to be made great again.

Jul 1, 2024 16:38:38 GMT iron maiden said:

Jul 1, 2024 12:32:12 GMT iNCY said:

women got equality

Did we? I'd say many of those 'causes' are still progressing as in many cases they've regressed.

Jul 1, 2024 12:32:12 GMT iNCY said:

he left always has grand ideas on how to best spend other people's money but zero idea of how to get any more of it.

Sure they do. It's 'tax the rich'. Which you and I both know is akin to shooting yourself in the foot.

Honestly, are we talking about abortion?
That's a tricky one, in the debate I think both candidates lied.
Biden said democrats want abortion to be a matter between a woman and her doctor... Except they don't want that.
Trump's waffle about the legality of it was weird.
Not being a lawyer I can see anything in the US Constitution that guarantees a woman a right to an abortion, that's not my moral argument, just a reflection on the law itself.
If there is no legal justification in the constitution for making a ruling on abortion, then it returns to the states.

There probably should be a national legal view on abortion and the problem in the US is though the mechanism exists to do it, it's incredibly hard and there is little political will or talent to make a case for it.
Loading up the supreme court with judges who will legislate your politics is not the way and both sides do this.

I also struggle with abortion being a woman's issues.
While bodily autonomy is as close to a fundamental right as you can get, we have plenty of laws that apply to an individual purely as to how their actions impact other people. You need a license to drive a car, you cannot operate machinery of drunk. We restrict and curtail the rights of the individual all the time for the sake of others. I get that abortion is different and forcing a woman to carry a child to term is placing her in danger, but there is more nuanced to application of law than some want to believe.

I don't have strong views about the laws that should exist around abortion, I just hate when the political debate over simplifies the many issues involved.
It does bother me the idea that we could live in a world where a child could be born and then euthanized, it's uncomfortable to me the idea of this and allowing people euthanasia for depression... 


It's also weird how many "my body my choice" people were pro vaccine mandate.

Jul 1, 2024 23:17:50 GMT c said:

Jul 1, 2024 16:38:38 GMT iron maiden said:

Did we? I'd say many of those 'causes' are still progressing as in many cases they've regressed.

Sure they do. It's 'tax the rich'. Which you and I both know is akin to shooting yourself in the foot.

Literally progressive taxation is the core foundation of progressive ideology.  Throughout the so-called glory days of America we had a strong progressive tax.  Only when it went away did people believe America needed to be made great again.

Here we are though, it's a fine balance between the creation and distribution of wealth, tweak one side too much and you break the other.
This is where the left has completely run off course, billionaire taxes aren't about wealth redistribution, they're an ideological act of jealousy.
Most socialists would at the end prefer everyone only had once bowl of rice per day, rather than a world where some get steak and others get chicken.

This will literally be the death of the West, look at Europe and countries like France, the politics of envy just shrink the pie.

Jul 2, 2024 1:51:26 GMT iNCY said:

Honestly, are we talking about abortion?

Not necessarily. You said women got equality and as a woman I would say we did to a point and are regressing on that front as well as others.

I think the billionaire taxes are a response to the many tax avoidance methods and schemes used by the wealthy that shield so much income and gains. The US tax code is a mess and there are so many legal ways to shield money from taxes, except for paychecks.

Jul 2, 2024 3:19:48 GMT iron maiden said:

Jul 2, 2024 1:51:26 GMT iNCY said:

Honestly, are we talking about abortion?

Not necessarily. You said women got equality and as a woman I would say we did to a point and are regressing on that front as well as others.

Equality on paper.

Jul 2, 2024 3:19:48 GMT iron maiden said:

Jul 2, 2024 1:51:26 GMT iNCY said:

Honestly, are we talking about abortion?

Not necessarily. You said women got equality and as a woman I would say we did to a point and are regressing on that front as well as others.

Jul 2, 2024 5:21:47 GMT Gyro LC said:

I think the billionaire taxes are a response to the many tax avoidance methods and schemes used by the wealthy that shield so much income and gains. The US tax code is a mess and there are so many legal ways to shield money from taxes, except for paychecks.

Jul 2, 2024 3:19:48 GMT iron maiden said:

Not necessarily. You said women got equality and as a woman I would say we did to a point and are regressing on that front as well as others.

Equality on paper.

As I say often: Equal opportunity is a measure of opportunity, not outcome.

Not a dig in any way at anything you said iron maiden, but it is something I have thought a lot about recently.

My views here as a Father of daughters is that my girls should have a right to pursue whatever sort of life they choose.
If that should be as a wife and mother (Amongst other things) that should be celebrated.
I don't understand how if a woman takes time off work to raise her children, whether that be a month or 18 years, why it should be thought of as punishment if she rejoins the corporate ladder where she left off.
I don't think women are punished for having children, I think it is my job as a husband to celebrate my wife'[s decision to have our children and raise them and I should do everything in my power to provide the best life I can for her and my girls.

There is a notion now that we can have everything without sacrifice and it is an absolute lie that leads to misery.
Women are told they can climb the corporate ladder and defer children to their 40's if they freeze their eggs, only to find out too late that leaving finding a life partner to later might not work out and fertility is tricky business... I know from experience as my wife and I nearly missed the boat (for other unrelated reasons).


We are setting everyone up for disappointment.... There is no having everything, there are only hard choices and sacrifices.


Maybe I just do too much thinking.... 

Jun 29, 2024 13:44:08 GMT KING KID said:

Jun 29, 2024 4:16:48 GMT RagnarokMike said:

Hard to decide if it’s funny or tragic at how dumb the world is at this point.

Biden: Struggles in debate, must step aside.

Trump: Most embarrassing meltdown in the history of nation after losing election, actually tried to overturn said election (and turned on everybody who didn’t drink the Kool-Aid with him), rallies worshipers into violence, felony conviction(s), with him endlessly ranting and raving delusionally at all the aforementioned…Trump 2024. And that’s just from 2020 on, not the garbage fire of a person he was prior that made his first election comedically absurd.

No politician has been afforded such rock bottom standards as Trump, I remember when Howard Dean just going “Yeah!” awkwardly tanked his aspirations, but Trump, the Golgothan of politics, just keeps going.

Trump may be an unparalleled liar, as I’m not sure he actually believes his rantings or just knows his RINOs will eat shit if he tells them it’s chocolate (Snickers, now with corn); but the alternative is he’s a literal insane person if he believes his drivel, which definitely isn’t better, stammering and staggering through a debate is paltry in comparison.

Hate to see how low this country has sunk. When Biden is the best candidate in an election, we’re well and totally screwed.

What did the DNC do after losing the election to Trump? Or did you forget? Russia ring a bell?

The left has been destroying and dividing this country since Obama’s second term. The only ones drinking Kool Aid are the people who support the left and are sitting in rubble being told “everything is okay” and actually believing it because that’s what they’re being told.

You saying Joe Biden is the best candidate is the biggest crock of shit I ever read and it proves my point. Even C has gone quiet on how great the left is after that disastrous debate. Get a grip. Who do you think cares about Pittsburgh more? Biden or Trump?

That is a hilariously ironic reply, the right are chugging conservative Jesus juice at an unprecedented rate, being told they're sitting in rubble and actually believe it. Actually blaming the left for the division while supporting the biggest hatemonger in politics since we got out (or at least forced into seclusion) the Jim Crowers is wild, foundation and driving force of Trump's whole platform is sowing as much division as possible. "Because that's what they're being told" is also how Trump's whole constituency lives, practically all regurgitate the same nonsense the proven compulsive liar spouts verbatim. Like, all politicians lie, but Trump seems to do so almost exclusively, guy lies about useless shit that's easily disproven, like not making it through day 1 without lying about "most attended inauguration ever," or getting past the opening of the debate without "best economy ever." His whole side of the debate was just blathering delusions of both grandeur and paranoia, Biden speaking like shit was no more embarrassing. And in no way shape or form even close to as embarrassing as Trump's complete meltdown after losing the last election, that showed complete mental incompetency  on his part, pure detachment from reality. Speaking poorly is not worse than being an actual lunatic. Bad debate vs convicted felon is also an easy choice.

It's kind of baffling how blindly loyal people are to one of the most disloyal public figure I've ever seen, dude threw his own VP under the bus for not committing  treason for him, you either 100% follow him or you're 100% against him.

Dems and Biden are bad, republicans and Trump are worse, we're totally fucked, two party system is shit.