Wisconsin has to have that , but at the same time I imagine he’s also probably safer in jail at this point. Still though there has to be a way not to set a number.

Also just read today that his father is not supporting him in any way.

I'm introducing a powder keg to the discussion, but in a case like this where he admitted to everything and she knows 100% him as her kidnapper/attacker and parents' killer there absolutely should be NO bail set. Also, I say Death Penalty.

Jan 15, 2019 22:41:38 GMT iron maiden said:

I'm introducing a powder keg to the discussion, but in a case like this where he admitted to everything and she knows 100% him as her kidnapper/attacker and parents' killer there absolutely should be NO bail set. Also, I say Death Penalty.

I agree that is what should happen , but Wisconsin doesn’t have the death penalty. Haven’t since like 1850s.

Any empathy or leniency for probable mental health issues? Possible prior abuse / bullying?

Jan 16, 2019 1:32:25 GMT theend said:

Any empathy or leniency for probable mental health issues? Possible prior abuse / bullying?

I have mental health issues.  I was beaten and emotionally and mentally abused for most of my teen years, does that give me the right to set my sights on iNCY and take out his family to make it happen?  It might make it more understandable, but definitely not excusable. 

He intentionally set out to kill these people just in order to take their daughter.  I don't care what caused it.  That's fucked up.  He's a danger to society.  The fact that he has zero remorse makes him a monster.  I have severe doubts that he is even able to be rehabiliated.  Meanwhile, he gets to still live on the tax payers dime.  Maybe not well, but better than some US citizens I would hazard to guess.

Now, if she'd killed him while in captivity or trying to escape, I'd have sympathy for her.

Jan 16, 2019 1:32:25 GMT theend said:

Any empathy or leniency for probable mental health issues? Possible prior abuse / bullying?

I don’t know. I mean he planned this out very well and knew it was wrong obviously. To the point where he planned a shootout with the cops if he got caught within the next two weeks.

You can obviously have mental health issues bit you may not have his mental issues so your case is way anecdotal.


What I am thinking of is of course the Paise people give in the Cyntoia Brown case due to her mental issues and her alleged history of abuse and the much lesser known case of John La Due.

I could see the difference between John La Due as only slightly different than this case mentally speaking.

Jan 16, 2019 2:22:19 GMT iron maiden said:

Jan 16, 2019 1:32:25 GMT theend said:

Any empathy or leniency for probable mental health issues? Possible prior abuse / bullying?

I have mental health issues.  I was beaten and emotionally and mentally abused for most of my teen years, does that give me the right to set my sights on iNCY and take out his family to make it happen?  

You mean to McDonalds right iron maiden,?  :suspic:

Jan 16, 2019 6:56:08 GMT iNCY said:

Jan 16, 2019 2:22:19 GMT iron maiden said:

I have mental health issues.  I was beaten and emotionally and mentally abused for most of my teen years, does that give me the right to set my sights on iNCY and take out his family to make it happen?  

You mean to McDonalds right iron maiden ,? 

For yours I'd spring for Wendy's.

Currently, there's nothing saying he had a history of abuse or mental health problems.  Of course he's a psychopath so that's a pretty big mental health issue.   

Jan 16, 2019 14:44:28 GMT iron maiden said:

Jan 16, 2019 6:56:08 GMT iNCY said:

You mean to McDonalds right iron maiden ,? 

For yours I'd spring for Wendy's.

Currently, there's nothing saying he had a history of abuse or mental health problems.  Of course he's a psychopath so that's a pretty big mental health issue.   

I'm top shelf all over...  :ugh:


Onto the topic: UT,iron maiden,theend, 
On the question of mitigating circumstances, this is not how we address crime.

It's really interesting the way we need to label people "Monsters" as to some how distance ourselves from them, we're human and they're not kind of thing.
Funny thing about people is that we are all just bags of meat with a glorified operating system, kind of like a 180lb dim sim running Windows 98.
So all of us have different DNA and different life experiences... The really crazy thing is that any single atrocity you see or hear about on the TV... If you had the same genetics and life experiences as that person, you would do the same.
There is no such thing as true free will, just an illusion of choice as we make the choices we were always going to make.

So punishment is not about mitigating situations but in acting as a deterrent to those who might need a reason to not do what is in their nature to do.

Nature vs Nurture is always an undecided , and interesting argument to me. I don't necessarily agree that everyone or anyone is predetermined to run a path and nothing along the way maybe changes them as a human ... for better or for worse. Which I guess you also did say.

I think in the case of this guy that it was obvious he had problems and his parents choose to ignore them as opposed to do something about it. As more and more comes out about his history .. it's clear he was a social outcast , never held a job for more than 2 days and had severe anger issues. He was also kicked out of the military boot camp after only five weeks and all this leaves me wondering how much his parents could have done because I don't believe they knew him for his entire life and seen everything and couldn't tell something was off ... especially considering the military in boot camp knew in five weeks and discharged him.

My theory is that the parents knew that he didn't belong in society and instead of getting him help or bettering him as a person they tried to make him go away. They sent him to the cabin he was living in , in the middle of nowhere to keep him secluded and paid for everything so he wouldn't HAVE to get a job. The cabin was free living and his dad came every Saturday and I assume it was to drop off food and stuff he might need.

As I was looking at news on the Walmart shooting turns out there was another mass shooting near where I used to work. Like literally on the same street as my previous office. Never feels like it'll happen here... until it does.

El Paso is like 45 minutes drive from where I live and what crazy I was at the same area around few days before the shooting. I have to check yesterday my sister go there for shopping good thing she didn’t

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Imagine if you had literally had more than one mass shooting every day in a year - and no one did anything to stop it.

Aug 5, 2019 2:38:55 GMT @admin said:

Imagine if you had literally had more than one mass shooting every day in a year - and no one did anything to stop it.

As an American it sucks that it continues to be such common place. Saying it would never happen here isn’t much of an option anymore and going to a Denny’s on the wrong morning could be the last decision you make.

Not too mention working in a place where emotions run high and wild at times.

Cue the mental health debate, and ignore the obvious.

There’s been mass shootings this entire millennium and the gun control side still can’t get anything done..yet continue to mock the winning side every time this happens.

Aug 5, 2019 10:23:07 GMT System said:

There’s been mass shootings this entire millennium and the gun control side still can’t get anything done..yet continue to mock the winning side every time this happens.

What the fuck does this even mean?

Can't deny I do think about it nearly anytime I'm in public. Is this the day? Seems it's only a matter of time before you're either caught in one or know someone who was. I did my weekly amusement park trip yesterday and thought we were prime targets standing by the gate.

Newtown is the town right next to the one I lived in most of my life. Sandy Hook Elementary was 10 minutes from my house. Some of my friends had kids there, some friends of friends had to clean up the bodies.

Jan 15, 2019 22:41:38 GMT iron maiden said:

I'm introducing a powder keg to the discussion, but in a case like this where he admitted to everything and she knows 100% him as her kidnapper/attacker and parents' killer there absolutely should be NO bail set. Also, I say Death Penalty.

For almost all violent crimes like that bail is not an option.  Death penalty makes no sense as it costs more and lets people off easy.  Want to make them suffer, give them life without the possibility of parole.  They will still die in prison, just after having more time to think about what they did and be punished for it.

Aug 5, 2019 2:38:55 GMT @admin said:

Imagine if you had literally had more than one mass shooting every day in a year - and no one did anything to stop it.

We tried nothing, and now we are all out of options.  

What is fucked up is 8chan still is up, despite this being the second shooter at least I seen, say he was going to try to get a high score when he posted his murder manifesto.  High scores are now a thing in American mass shootings.

Aug 5, 2019 11:52:56 GMT KJ said:

Aug 5, 2019 10:23:07 GMT System said:

There’s been mass shootings this entire millennium and the gun control side still can’t get anything done..yet continue to mock the winning side every time this happens.

What the fuck does this even mean?

Do you actually read the posts before you reply to them?

Neither mine nor theend’s post are that hard to comprehend.

Aug 5, 2019 13:22:23 GMT c said:

Aug 5, 2019 2:38:55 GMT @admin said:

Imagine if you had literally had more than one mass shooting every day in a year - and no one did anything to stop it.

We tried nothing, and now we are all out of options.  

What is fucked up is 8chan still is up, despite this being the second shooter at least I seen, say he was going to try to get a high score when he posted his murder manifesto.  High scores are now a thing in American mass shootings.

What’s the current rankings?

Aug 5, 2019 13:42:13 GMT System said:

Aug 5, 2019 13:22:23 GMT c said:

We tried nothing, and now we are all out of options.  

What is fucked up is 8chan still is up, despite this being the second shooter at least I seen, say he was going to try to get a high score when he posted his murder manifesto.  High scores are now a thing in American mass shootings.

What’s the current rankings?

Doesn't the Las Vegas gambler got the current record? Millennial kids can't compete.

Aug 5, 2019 13:41:35 GMT System said:

Aug 5, 2019 11:52:56 GMT KJ said:

What the fuck does this even mean?

Do you actually read the posts before you reply to them?

Neither mine nor theend’s post are that hard to comprehend.

I did, and we'll work under the assumption I'm dense. So go ahead and explain it to me like I'm 5.

Aug 5, 2019 10:23:07 GMT System said:

There’s been mass shootings this entire millennium and the gun control side still can’t get anything done..yet continue to mock the winning side every time this happens.

Sure, the anti-gun control side is winning. Congratulations on being on the winning side!

anyway there was a shooting at a garlic festival, my friends and I were there that afternoon but left a couple of hours before it went down. Crazy to think about; my friends' kids held up fine early but got cranky after three hours in the heat (high of 100 degrees F / 38 C) and that's when we left. If they weren't about to have meltdowns we probably still would have been there.

Aug 6, 2019 0:29:18 GMT Michinokudriver said:

Aug 5, 2019 10:23:07 GMT System said:

There’s been mass shootings this entire millennium and the gun control side still can’t get anything done..yet continue to mock the winning side every time this happens.

Sure, the anti-gun control side is winning. Congratulations on being on the winning side!

anyway there was a shooting at a garlic festival, my friends and I were there that afternoon but left a couple of hours before it went down. Crazy to think about; my friends' kids held up fine early but got cranky after three hours in the heat (high of 100 degrees F / 38 C) and that's when we left. If they weren't about to have meltdowns we probably still would have been there.

That’s what I can’t figure out. We’re PLEADING for gun control, not mocking the people against it (unless they’re so sensitive that “See! This is an issue still” is considered “mocking”).. Multiple bills have gone to McConnel’s desk and he won’t even bring them to the floor. Trump wants to package gun control with immigration. No one on the right actually wants to address this with a dedicated, no strings attached focus.

Remember, Congress outlawed lawn darts when ONE kid was killed. A dangerous toy was banned, but not a weapon actually designed to kill as many people as possible. Addressing that is just too much.

It’s remarkable, despite the dead bodies piling up, The US’s answer is ‘ thoughts and prayers ‘ and to accept another shooting.

And for anyone who needs to debate the semantics and the technicalities of what constitutes an ‘ assault rifle ‘ over the another life lost, you’re the problem.

My wife and I were discussing the reality of the MCU. Gun fights in the streets and acts of terror constantly are a part of the MCU, the social, mental health and cultural impacts must be enormous considering they seem to be in a perpetual war zone. Then there was another shooting in the US, and I thought, how different is the violence in the MCU to reality. No aliens.