Aug 8, 2019 12:47:12 GMT iNCY said:

Aug 8, 2019 10:38:02 GMT thereallt said:

And who the fuck are you to determine what I need and don't need?

If I prefer a semi-automatic HUNTING rifle that's my damn business.    Especially considering the damn thing only holds 5 rounds tops. 

If you want to stand naked outside a preschool and fondle your balls, is that only your business? 

I hate re-using video clips, but here we go....

Yeah.. you win the internet today. Gold star ⭐️

Aug 8, 2019 21:43:48 GMT thereallt said:

Aug 8, 2019 12:47:12 GMT iNCY said:

If you want to stand naked outside a preschool and fondle your balls, is that only your business? 

I hate re-using video clips, but here we go....

Such a rapier wit to drop the same YouTube video twice rather than engaging with the subject matter.
Quite happy to hear how you balance what you want for no apparently good reason against the safety of the general public?

Such a rapier wit to drop the same YouTube video twice rather than engaging with the subject matter.
Quite happy to hear how you balance what you want for no apparently good reason against the safety of the general public?

A semi-auto HUNTING rifle with a 5 round magazine owned by a law-abiding citizen is no threat whatsoever to the general public. Hell I daresay an AR-15 owned by a law-abiding citizen is no threat to the general public, though I do understand the concern about the latter. You say "ban semi-autos one day" and then someone with evil intent uses a handgun instead. Then you start shouting "ban handguns" next some evil twisted fuck uses a bolt-action rifle (much like Charles Whitman did in 1966) Next you say "ban bolt-action rifles" ANYTHING but hold the actual shooter accountable. I REFUSE to give up my freedoms to the deeds of evil men. It never occurs to gun-grabbers that criminals give two fucks about the law.

You say I'm not engaging?? You're the one making stupid ass comments about fondling balls in front of a pre-school.

Anyone with a little common sense, and something the rest of the western world can see is, the United States has a dangerous and problematic gun culture.

Again, debating the semantics then tumbling down a rabbit hole of what ifs and “ oh! What next, handguns?! We can’t have handguns! God! “ does nothing to help the conversation. You don’t need a rifle akin to a battlefield weapon to hunt, and you certainly shouldn’t be able to buy one at the supermarket, let alone a mentally ill person.

It says a lot about people, that in the wake of a shooting, they’re more worried about clarifying what sort of weapon it was. One thing is for sure, people keep dying, and they can’t see past the bloodshed because of a piece of paper penned in ink over 200 years ago.

Aug 9, 2019 2:15:14 GMT thereallt said:

Such a rapier wit to drop the same YouTube video twice rather than engaging with the subject matter.
Quite happy to hear how you balance what you want for no apparently good reason against the safety of the general public?

A semi-auto HUNTING rifle with a 5 round magazine owned by a law-abiding citizen is no threat whatsoever to the general public. Hell I daresay an AR-15 owned by a law-abiding citizen is no threat to the general public, though I do understand the concern about the latter. You say "ban semi-autos one day" and then someone with evil intent uses a handgun instead. Then you start shouting "ban handguns" next some evil twisted fuck uses a bolt-action rifle (much like Charles Whitman did in 1966) Next you say "ban bolt-action rifles" ANYTHING but hold the actual shooter accountable. I REFUSE to give up my freedoms to the deeds of evil men. It never occurs to gun-grabbers that criminals give two fucks about the law.

You say I'm not engaging?? You're the one making stupid ass comments about fondling balls in front of a pre-school.

Only "Evil men" refuse to alter their choices for the protection of the innocent.

Of course the shooter is accountable, who suggested they weren't?
If you cannot see the proliferation of weapons and their associated culture being in part the reason you have more mass shootings than anyone else in the world, then there is probably nowhere to go with the debate.

Good luck massacring large numbers of people in a crowded place with a bolt action rifle :lol:
My comment about you fondling your balls, besides being satire of your engagement with this thread, was a direct reference to the fact the we continually curtail individual freedoms for the greater good.
It should be classified as an actual mental disorder when you mention gun control and people respond irrationally with "BUT MAH FREEDOMS!~!"
Guaranteed the shooting victims don't feel all the free as they decompose in their graves, reckon those grieving the loss of their children, parents, siblings don't fee all that free... but as long as your rights to own an unnecessary item aren't being trampled on in the interest of creating a safer society, that is all that is important I guess 

Also let's not act like hunting is some sort of completely rational, normal reason behind owning a gun too. Hunting is stupid. Don't do it. Get a better hobby that doesn't involve killing something. If you enjoy that you have issues.

No one needs to own a gun.

This is also a country routinely debating the abortion topic, because of... God? 🤷‍♂️ Unbelievable. What did I expect?

I’m sure I could dig up that clip from the News Room - “ America is not the best country in the world “ and as time goes on, I can understand why every political hopeful in the US runs on ‘change’ - it’s because it’s broken, but fucked if anyone actually fixes it.

Aug 9, 2019 4:31:42 GMT @admin said:

Also let's not act like hunting is some sort of completely rational, normal reason behind owning a gun too. Hunting is stupid. Don't do it. Get a better hobby that doesn't involve killing something. If you enjoy that you have issues.

No one needs to own a gun.

No one "needs" anything but food, water, air and shelter.

Pro-tip.  Saying "You don't need a gun" Is the surest way of shutting down debate on the issue.  Any rational gun owner is going to tell you to piss off.

Aug 9, 2019 6:05:51 GMT thereallt said:

No one "needs" anything but food, water, air and shelter.

In my country we believe not getting shot at school isn't a bad right to add to the list.
We are all whacky like that.

Aug 9, 2019 6:05:51 GMT thereallt said:

Pro-tip. Saying "You don't need a gun" Is the surest way of shutting down debate on the issue. Any rational gun owner is going to tell you to piss off

That's a great point, it is only a discussion about preventing people dying, God forbid someone gets their jimmies rustled.

2996 deaths. The United States invades two countries, wages several wars ( not including a handful by proxy ) and ravages an region of the world, while ostracising an entire race and religion under the justification of some self imposed definition of " Freedom "

Although, Since Sandy Hook nearly 2300 people have been killed and almost 8400 have been wounded in mass shootings. That's since 2012. But who cares? Because when the government takes over by hostile force, those poorly trained, amateur assault rifle enthusiasts will be able to fight back. 







 

I have sympathy with someone like thereallt, because whether we, as outsiders, understand it or not, guns are a huge part of American cultural life. Hunting is a legitimate hobby, especially in rural areas where they eat everything they shoot and it's not just some dick-waving contest. The idea that we can just ban everything and everyone's going to be on board with that is silly. I wish it were that simple, but the context clearly dictates otherwise.

I do think, however, that those who want to hold on to their 'freedoms' have to not just defend those freedoms but start offering common sense solutions to the mass shooting epidemic. The answer isn't video games violence otherwise Japan would be far worse. The answer isn't mental health services otherwise other Western nations would be as bad or worse. This is a uniquely American solution and protecting freedoms while offering no solutions is just not an acceptable answer. The vast majority of gun owners in the US favour reform and further restrictions. Yes, of course if a bad person wants a gun they're always going to be able to get one, but to see no benefit in slowing that process down or making it at least as difficult as getting a drivers license with a test to prove your competency and committment really doesn't seem an affront on rights in my mind.

Keep your guns, but we're banning bullets.

Aug 9, 2019 8:46:25 GMT PB said:

I have sympathy with someone like thereallt , because whether we, as outsiders, understand it or not, guns are a huge part of American cultural life. Hunting is a legitimate hobby, especially in rural areas where they eat everything they shoot and it's not just some dick-waving contest. The idea that we can just ban everything and everyone's going to be on board with that is silly. I wish it were that simple, but the context clearly dictates otherwise.

I do think, however, that those who want to hold on to their 'freedoms' have to not just defend those freedoms but start offering common sense solutions to the mass shooting epidemic. The answer isn't video games violence otherwise Japan would be far worse. The answer isn't mental health services otherwise other Western nations would be as bad or worse. This is a uniquely American solution and protecting freedoms while offering no solutions is just not an acceptable answer. The vast majority of gun owners in the US favour reform and further restrictions. Yes, of course if a bad person wants a gun they're always going to be able to get one, but to see no benefit in slowing that process down or making it at least as difficult as getting a drivers license with a test to prove your competency and committment really doesn't seem an affront on rights in my mind.

We understand it, we are just completely flummoxed by the stupidity of it. 
If you had a constitutional right to drink poison, I don't think people would for the most part be defending their right to drink it. 

Aug 9, 2019 9:45:47 GMT iNCY said:

Aug 9, 2019 8:46:25 GMT PB said:

I have sympathy with someone like thereallt , because whether we, as outsiders, understand it or not, guns are a huge part of American cultural life. Hunting is a legitimate hobby, especially in rural areas where they eat everything they shoot and it's not just some dick-waving contest. The idea that we can just ban everything and everyone's going to be on board with that is silly. I wish it were that simple, but the context clearly dictates otherwise.

I do think, however, that those who want to hold on to their 'freedoms' have to not just defend those freedoms but start offering common sense solutions to the mass shooting epidemic. The answer isn't video games violence otherwise Japan would be far worse. The answer isn't mental health services otherwise other Western nations would be as bad or worse. This is a uniquely American solution and protecting freedoms while offering no solutions is just not an acceptable answer. The vast majority of gun owners in the US favour reform and further restrictions. Yes, of course if a bad person wants a gun they're always going to be able to get one, but to see no benefit in slowing that process down or making it at least as difficult as getting a drivers license with a test to prove your competency and committment really doesn't seem an affront on rights in my mind.

We understand it, we are just completely flummoxed by the stupidity of it. 
If you had a constitutional right to drink poison, I don't think people would for the most part be defending their right to drink it. 

But that's very simplistic. There's nothing irrational about wanting to hunt deer for example. You can own a gun and do that with a license in the UK and there are no mass shootings. There's surely a sensible conversation in between clutching pearls at anyone wanting a gun and refusing to have any changes because of some culturally ingrained idea of freedom. It's easy to point out where you disagree with someone but the more interesting conversation is surely what actual steps can be taken to create change. The reality is that laughing at those who feel threatened by gun control may win us points on the internet but it does nothing to actually help change. Not that change is going to come from a pro wrestling message board, but is there not a sensible, pragmatic conversation to be had beyond 'You're all stupid rednecks' on one side and 'you hate freedom' on the other? Isn't this sort of black and white polarising rhetoric what has created our current political climate? Can we not be bothered with nuance and understanding other's positions?

Who really cares about people dying though?

People die all the time.

Isn't the world rapidly trending toward dangerous overpopulation levels anyway?

Maybe it's time for Logan's Run.

It’s kind of hilarious watching Americans desperately defend their right to own a human killing machine. Especially from Canada.

Half my family hunts, votes Conservative, is right-wing on everything, even likes Trump and all things America. But when gun violence comes up? “Those Americans are fucking nuts.” It’s wild.

There are a lot of similarities between rural Canada and America but that’s the one huge glaring difference. Canadians own their one or two hunting rifles, maybe a shotgun if they’re worried about bears, and that’s it. The guns never leave the locker unless it’s hunting season (or you’re my brother in law who shoots squirrels with his .22 to feed his pigs but he’s a bit of an outlier) and most of them wouldn’t own a machine gun even if they were allowed to.

Like PB, I can sympathize. 99% of gun owners wouldn’t go light up a mall. But the same goes for everywhere else on the planet. And America has this massive problem staring them in the face and the answer is to just do nothing but argue?

Think about when you were a kid. Your brother or your cousin or your friend was fucking around with a toy and your parents busted in and took it away. It was your toy but their stupidity fucked it up for everyone. You told your parents it wasn’t your fault and they said “it’s your toy it’s your responsibility, you can have it back later when you’ve learned to take better care of your things.”

Maybe it’s that fucking simple. Maybe you shouldn’t be able to walk into a gun show and buy a gun. Maybe you should think a bit before you let that kid play with your toy. “Wait a minute..this toy can break things and my cousin is a moron. Maybe I’ll put it away before he comes over.”

MAYBE JUST DO THE BARE FUCKING MINIMUM UNTIL YOU GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER. YOU CANT EVEN GET PEOPLE MEDICINE WHEN THEY NEED IT.

Aug 9, 2019 9:45:47 GMT iNCY said:

Aug 9, 2019 8:46:25 GMT PB said:

I have sympathy with someone like thereallt , because whether we, as outsiders, understand it or not, guns are a huge part of American cultural life. Hunting is a legitimate hobby, especially in rural areas where they eat everything they shoot and it's not just some dick-waving contest. The idea that we can just ban everything and everyone's going to be on board with that is silly. I wish it were that simple, but the context clearly dictates otherwise.

I do think, however, that those who want to hold on to their 'freedoms' have to not just defend those freedoms but start offering common sense solutions to the mass shooting epidemic. The answer isn't video games violence otherwise Japan would be far worse. The answer isn't mental health services otherwise other Western nations would be as bad or worse. This is a uniquely American solution and protecting freedoms while offering no solutions is just not an acceptable answer. The vast majority of gun owners in the US favour reform and further restrictions. Yes, of course if a bad person wants a gun they're always going to be able to get one, but to see no benefit in slowing that process down or making it at least as difficult as getting a drivers license with a test to prove your competency and committment really doesn't seem an affront on rights in my mind.

We understand it, we are just completely flummoxed by the stupidity of it. 
If you had a constitutional right to drink poison, I don't think people would for the most part be defending their right to drink it. 

I love the stuff but it's true.


Anyway back on topic --

Aug 9, 2019 14:49:59 GMT RT said:

It’s kind of hilarious watching Americans desperately defend their right to own a human killing machine. Especially from Canada.

Half my family hunts, votes Conservative, is right-wing on everything, even likes Trump and all things America. But when gun violence comes up? “Those Americans are fucking nuts.” It’s wild.

There are a lot of similarities between rural Canada and America but that’s the one huge glaring difference. Canadians own their one or two hunting rifles, maybe a shotgun if they’re worried about bears, and that’s it. The guns never leave the locker unless it’s hunting season (or you’re my brother in law who shoots squirrels with his .22 to feed his pigs but he’s a bit of an outlier) and most of them wouldn’t own a machine gun even if they were allowed to.

Like PB , I can sympathize. 99% of gun owners wouldn’t go light up a mall. But the same goes for everywhere else on the planet. And America has this massive problem staring them in the face and the answer is to just do nothing but argue?

Think about when you were a kid. Your brother or your cousin or your friend was fucking around with a toy and your parents busted in and took it away. It was your toy but their stupidity fucked it up for everyone. You told your parents it wasn’t your fault and they said “it’s your toy it’s your responsibility, you can have it back later when you’ve learned to take better care of your things.”

Maybe it’s that fucking simple. Maybe you shouldn’t be able to walk into a gun show and buy a gun. Maybe you should think a bit before you let that kid play with your toy. “Wait a minute..this toy can break things and my cousin is a moron. Maybe I’ll put it away before he comes over.”

MAYBE JUST DO THE BARE FUCKING MINIMUM UNTIL YOU GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER. YOU CANT EVEN GET PEOPLE MEDICINE WHEN THEY NEED IT.

I get you, I do. I'd also like licensing requirements and proof of competency before allowing gun ownership but that's a non-starter in the US -- there are too many guns out there, we don't have a clue who owns what and where and that's never ever ever going to change. There's no gun census or ownership chart and gun owners don't trust the government and/or gun control advocates anymore; as far as they're concerned it's been decades of just one more law, this time we promise and death by a thousand cuts (no full-auto, no burst fire, no large magazines, ineffective laws aimed at banning looks over features) and now they don't believe us anymore.

But the problem with gun owners and your analogy is that it's not your friend and it wasn't your toy. It's some kid on the other side of town who hit his sister with a steel chair and because of their stupidity your parents said you can't watch rasslin no more. You don't know the guy. You have nothing to do with the guy. You could run into him at the mall and you have no authority to demand he treat people better. But because of some stranger's stupidity now it's your problem?

But the problem with gun owners and your analogy is that it's not your friend and it wasn't your toy. It's some kid on the other side of town who hit his sister with a steel chair and because of their stupidity your parents said you can't watch rasslin no more. You don't know the guy. You have nothing to do with the guy. You could run into him at the mall and you have no authority to demand he treat people better. But because of some stranger's stupidity now it's your problem?

Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
Also I would be perfectly happy subjecting gun ownership to the same procedures as drivers licenses, but only with the condition that all talk of banning firearms goes away forever.   

Aug 9, 2019 7:55:17 GMT iNCY said:

Aug 9, 2019 6:05:51 GMT thereallt said:

No one "needs" anything but food, water, air and shelter.

In my country we believe not getting shot at school isn't a bad right to add to the list.
We are all whacky like that.

Aug 9, 2019 6:05:51 GMT thereallt said:

Pro-tip. Saying "You don't need a gun" Is the surest way of shutting down debate on the issue. Any rational gun owner is going to tell you to piss off

That's a great point, it is only a discussion about preventing people dying, God forbid someone gets their jimmies rustled.

Yeah and ever since  your country banned semi-autos violent crime has skyrocketed in all areas.  Murders, rapes, robberies...etc...etc..ALL of them are up.  So much for preventing people dying.

winteryknight.com/2017/10/06/did-australias-ban-on-guns-lower-violent-crime-rates-and-lower-suicide-rates-2/

Aug 9, 2019 18:50:58 GMT thereallt said:

Aug 9, 2019 7:55:17 GMT iNCY said:

In my country we believe not getting shot at school isn't a bad right to add to the list.
We are all whacky like that.



That's a great point, it is only a discussion about preventing people dying, God forbid someone gets their jimmies rustled.

Yeah and ever since  your country banned semi-autos violent crime has skyrocketed in all areas.  Murders, rapes, robberies...etc...etc..ALL of them are up.  So much for preventing people dying.

winteryknight.com/2017/10/06/did-australias-ban-on-guns-lower-violent-crime-rates-and-lower-suicide-rates-2/

Consequences of a growing population, weakened state government policy and immigration. A different debate.

And you're right, if you want to commit a crime you still can regardless of a rifle ban. The infamous Melbourne's Gangland War beginning in the 1990s claimed the life of less than 30 people. This is a war that shocked the country and became etched in particularly Melbourne's lore. Most of these gentlemen were shot dead. Criminals will always be criminals, it also changed political and policing policy and the fallout continues to this day. 

Australians share a lot of similarities with Canada and the US, Australians particularly in rural and regional areas own hunting rifles. Which are then locked away in a gun case while not in use, and require a license to own. They even provided clay target shooting as a class in school when I was a teenager. Australians again in rural and regional areas, and in working class suburbs across the major cities, vote centre-right wing. Half the people I know, own guns and have been using guns since they were kids. We also have the same issues with mental health, drug addiction and organised and street level crime - but Australians aren't routinely picking up guns and shooting into crowds.

Why does America keep doing this?

Give us a real answer instead of arguing the difference between rifles and your rights as a God-Damn American, God-Dammit. 

Aug 7, 2019 23:44:44 GMT @admin said:

No one needs any gun honestly.

Says the man who never encountered 30 to 50 wild hogs.  

It is gonna be glorious to watch the GOP turn on guns in two years or so when they stop getting paid.  



Gun rights advocates do have some good points that control people should be more aware of.  Automatic weapons are banned in the US.  This ban along with the sawed off shotgun ban is what opens the door to banning rifles.  Assault rifles are also illegal for private ownership.  Key character of an assault rifle is selective fire.  Selective fire is not legal on private weapons.  Next, semi-automatic weapons are not semi-rapid rapid fire.  It just means a bullet will fire each time you pull the trigger.  Finally, if existing laws were followed, most of these shootings would never happen as serious red flags appear in almost all of the shootings, and the recent wave of shooters the red flags are ones that directly suggest they may perform a mass shooting.

I say let the hogs eat the kids, so you know where I stand, but there is a case for just enforcing our existing laws and you know, maybe not selling a kid who says he wants to kill a lot of people and has a kill list a firearm.

Also crime has decreased since the weapons ban in Australia. No clue why people believe the memes that say otherwise.  Only thing I can think of is people are presenting the Victoria crime rate and saying it is for all of Australia.

www.snopes.com/fact-check/australian-guns/

Aug 9, 2019 10:23:00 GMT PB said:

Aug 9, 2019 9:45:47 GMT iNCY said:

We understand it, we are just completely flummoxed by the stupidity of it. 
If you had a constitutional right to drink poison, I don't think people would for the most part be defending their right to drink it. 

But that's very simplistic. There's nothing irrational about wanting to hunt deer for example. You can own a gun and do that with a license in the UK and there are no mass shootings. There's surely a sensible conversation in between clutching pearls at anyone wanting a gun and refusing to have any changes because of some culturally ingrained idea of freedom. It's easy to point out where you disagree with someone but the more interesting conversation is surely what actual steps can be taken to create change. The reality is that laughing at those who feel threatened by gun control may win us points on the internet but it does nothing to actually help change. Not that change is going to come from a pro wrestling message board, but is there not a sensible, pragmatic conversation to be had beyond 'You're all stupid rednecks' on one side and 'you hate freedom' on the other? Isn't this sort of black and white polarising rhetoric what has created our current political climate? Can we not be bothered with nuance and understanding other's positions?

One of the main problems with trying to compromise is gun control advocates NEVER negotiate in good faith.   The only people that have compromised on this issue are gun owners.

Aug 10, 2019 0:48:43 GMT thereallt said:

Aug 9, 2019 10:23:00 GMT PB said:

But that's very simplistic. There's nothing irrational about wanting to hunt deer for example. You can own a gun and do that with a license in the UK and there are no mass shootings. There's surely a sensible conversation in between clutching pearls at anyone wanting a gun and refusing to have any changes because of some culturally ingrained idea of freedom. It's easy to point out where you disagree with someone but the more interesting conversation is surely what actual steps can be taken to create change. The reality is that laughing at those who feel threatened by gun control may win us points on the internet but it does nothing to actually help change. Not that change is going to come from a pro wrestling message board, but is there not a sensible, pragmatic conversation to be had beyond 'You're all stupid rednecks' on one side and 'you hate freedom' on the other? Isn't this sort of black and white polarising rhetoric what has created our current political climate? Can we not be bothered with nuance and understanding other's positions?

One of the main problems with trying to compromise is gun control advocates NEVER negotiate in good faith.   The only people that have compromised on this issue are gun owners.

And the dead. 

Aug 10, 2019 1:10:03 GMT NATH45 said:

Aug 10, 2019 0:48:43 GMT thereallt said:

One of the main problems with trying to compromise is gun control advocates NEVER negotiate in good faith.   The only people that have compromised on this issue are gun owners.

And the dead. 

Fuck off.  

This is from the Australian Institute of Criminology:

Homicide in Australia has declined over the last 25 years. The current homicide incidence rate is the lowest on record in the past 25 years.

The number of homicide incidents has fallen by 22 percent over the last 25 years, decreasing from 307 incidents in 1989-90 to 238 incidents in 2013-14.

And

The number of homicide incidents involving a firearm decreased by 57 percent between 1989-90 and 2013-14. Firearms were used in 13 percent of homicide incidents (n=32) in 2013-14. In 1989-90 it was 24 percent (n=75) of incidents.

Considering the population was 16.81 million in 1989 and 23.5 million in 2014, to see a decrease in incidents can't be described as ineffective.

www.crimestats.aic.gov.au/NHMP/1_trends/

According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, homicides were down to 222 incidents in 2018, with a population of 25 million.

www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/DetailsPage/4510.02018?OpenDocument

Aug 9, 2019 15:35:13 GMT Michinokudriver said:

Aug 9, 2019 18:50:58 GMT thereallt said:

Aug 9, 2019 7:55:17 GMT iNCY said:

In my country we believe not getting shot at school isn't a bad right to add to the list.
We are all whacky like that.



That's a great point, it is only a discussion about preventing people dying, God forbid someone gets their jimmies rustled.

Yeah and ever since  your country banned semi-autos violent crime has skyrocketed in all areas.  Murders, rapes, robberies...etc...etc..ALL of them are up.  So much for preventing people dying.

winteryknight.com/2017/10/06/did-australias-ban-on-guns-lower-violent-crime-rates-and-lower-suicide-rates-2/

Wrong

Aug 9, 2019 23:27:01 GMT c said:

Also crime has decreased since the weapons ban in Australia. No clue why people believe the memes that say otherwise.  Only thing I can think of is people are presenting the Victoria crime rate and saying it is for all of Australia.

www.snopes.com/fact-check/australian-guns/

Correct

The crime in Victoria is 100% linked to us bringing in African refugees whose teenage children are out of control pieces of crap and we don't do anything to integrate them.
Of course, if you say that you're a racist and get howled down even though the data 100% supports it.
Every African kid convicted of a serious crime, I would deport their entire family and maybe then they would take it seriously.

My analogy about the toy wasn’t perfect but I think it was pretty obvious what I was trying to say. My point was that until America can figure out how they’re going to get past this problem, maybe the toys should be taken away for a time so they can focus on figuring out the deeper issues that are leading to these problems.

Yeah, it sucks for the responsible gun owners. But honestly I don’t care and they can suck it up for a little while until this all gets sorted.

You don’t need the thing. You can go a little while without putting 500 holes in a target in a matter of seconds. Nobody needs that. And hundreds....HUNDREDS of people are dying because of this. You’re saying you care more about guns than your fellow Americans.

Aug 10, 2019 0:48:43 GMT thereallt said:

The converse is that the NRA opposes ANY regulations.  

As for gun control advocates, no one is dying because we have too much gun control.  In states with higher gun control measures, there is less gun violence.  We should not need studies to prove this, but here we are showing that if people have guns they use guns to commit crimes with them.  

Gun advocates claim guns keep them safe.  But people who own guns are at a higher risk of being killed by a gun and gun ownership in the house is related to to being shot.  So the data says guns are not keeping people safe.  

People claim if you ban guns then only bad guys will have guns and they will slaughter everyone.  But data shows that gun crime drops after you ban guns, not increases.  

Which leaves the logic of guns.  People want guns so they if they oppose something they can oppose it with force.  People dream of using their guns against the government, the cops, criminals in public, whatever.  But we should not continue to let people die because some want to make believe.

As for the hunting argument, simply put it is bullshit. Most guns are simply not good for hunting.  And frankly, we can ban guns except for sports hunting rifles that under certain guidelines.  Most people do not want a gun to hunt animals though.  They want a gun to kill humans.  And frankly, that should just not be legal anymore.  

2nd amendment does not protect the right to own any weapon you want and to use them anywhere you want.  Machine gun and saw-off shotgun bans show that.  As does bans on explosives.  The belief that this grants people the right to own guns is just not factual.  But even if it does, we can limit where people can have guns, and what types of weapons they can have, so we can ban all but low calibre handguns from being allowed outside of the house unless safed.  No more concealed carry, no more open carry, no more sport use of handguns.  Let people who claim they are for self-defense have them, but only in their homes.  Then if they need to fight a foreign invader or protect their families they can.