Jan 25, 2019 3:01:56 GMT kbc said:

2. When I was a kid, we went to Washington D.C. for our senior trip approximately 7 months after 9/11. There were NO marches or anything that we were invited to or allowed to congregate or visit outside of our agenda. We were told clearly that if we screwed up, we would face suspension up to and/or including expulsion. We went nowhere without teachers chaperoning us. 

I reckon this is a pretty good point. Apparently these kids had chaperones as well (although in the small amount of footage I watched I didn't see any) so they should bare a lot of the responsibility for not removing them when things started to get heated. Even though I don't buy the infantilisation technique that is being used to defend them, I would have thought that this would be the exact reason you'd have adults travelling with school boys, to remove them from situations like this. 

Sandmann's statement included the line "I mean, in hindsight, I wish we could've walked away and avoided the whole thing." Hmm.

I had a good PM conversation with my man RT last night where we both basically swore off this thread. But I cannot let this aggression stand. My righteous sense of justice is tingling. So I must once again wade into the political cesspool.....

I'm mostly with thereallt on the short videos RT posted yesterday. The kid (note the singular) who said "It's not rape if she enjoys it" was wrong and I do not condone that. I'll even retract my earlier statement about how the CovCath kids did nothing wrong. Turns out they aren't perfect Kentucky gentlemen after all. Fair enough. Though it is worth pointing out that a good number of his cohorts had uncomfortable WTF facial expressions after that one kid said what he said.

The second video was an 8 second clip. We have no idea what lead up to the boys shouting insults at that girl. If we have learned anything from this situation it's that we shouldn't jump to conclusions. Did the girl start it? Was there back and forth banter between her and the boys as is common at protests? I have my assumptions but I really know nothing without further video evidence. Verdict: Inconclusive

RT and a whole lot of other people/outlets mentioned the kids chanting "Build The Wall" at the Native American group. This is obviously idiotic if true. Yet this too  appears to be Fake News. I watched a lot of the videos and have yet to hear it. Hell, I even searched for nearly an hour yesterday* to find this one specific thing and could still find zero evidence that it ever happened. If somebody can find a video of this incident please share it. Until then I'll file this one in the ever-growing Fake News pile.

*Admittedly taking the occasional break to watch videos of Antifa getting wrecked which will never, ever get old no matter how many hundreds of times I watch them. We all need some joy in our lives and this is what brings me happiness.

Yes, it does bother me that the media and The Left drummed up an outrage campaign against the boys for a picture with no context. And, yes, it also bothers me that some people here are still trying to crucify the boys for a dreaded Standing Smirk, some chanting, and now 37 seconds worth of unflattering footage. Meanwhile, here are the Black Hebrew Israelites being assholes for the bulk of this 1 hour 46 minute video. Enjoy!



So we have 37 seconds* worth of footage where the Covington kids act in a less-than-stellar manner + the dreaded Standing Smile that kicked the whole thing off.
Media and The Left: National incident! CRUCIFY THEM!!!1!1!!
Meanwhile, there's the BHI being far bigger assholes than the Covington kids ever were for the bulk of a 1 hour 46 minute video.
Media and The Left: LOL BHI gonna BHI. Non-story. 

Members of the Native American group also shouted unprovoked** insults upon encountering the boys.  The boys did not start anything there either.

All this really makes you think. Why it's ALMOST as if the media has an agenda to push....

SPOILER: Click to show

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LOL of course the media has an agenda to push

*Even that is an exaggeration. It's more like 6 seconds in the one video + one sentence from one kid in the other. But I'll give you guys the extra 25 seconds. You need all the help you can get in this debate.

**Unless you count Hatcrime as being provocative. I do not. Sometimes a politician you don't like wins elections. Welcome to democracy.

Jan 23, 2019 22:42:34 GMT @admin said:

To clarify my comment that Baker quoted, I meant that I was not interested in the minutia of the interaction as it really makes no difference to the broader issue.

Details matter. Facts matter. You and millions of others got triggered by a photo with no context and wanted heads to roll over basically nothing.

Jan 24, 2019 22:37:03 GMT @admin said:

Jan 24, 2019 22:32:27 GMT thereallt said:

Not according to the first amendment.   

Fair enough, but my opinion comes from as someone unconcerned with the constitution. People protesting about something that basically has fuck all to do with them comes across provocatively and unnecessary. 

 You're the gift that keeps on giving. This is the silliest argument I've seen yet. So I guess you also don't support....

Straight people marching for gay rights
Non-black people protesting with BLM
Native born American citizens protesting in favor of immigrants
Men participating in Women's Marches
Millionaire celebrities, athletes, and politicians protesting in favor of a minimum wage increase 
Students under the voting age lobbying for gun control (While they can get shot, they can't vote yet so what's the point?)

I mean, it's all of none of their business, amirite?  

*I probably could have kept this going for an hour but I feel like my point has been made.

You're an Aussie so maybe you don't this but the Constitution is kind of a big deal. It's only the basis for our laws, government, etc. Or maybe you just don't care? I dunno.

Jan 25, 2019 3:13:45 GMT @admin said:

Jan 25, 2019 3:01:56 GMT kbc said:

(although in the small amount of footage I watched I didn't see any)  

Sandmann's statement included the line "I mean, in hindsight, I wish we could've walked away and avoided the whole thing." Hmm.

I'm not surprised you only watched a small amount of footage. You might want to watch more footage before you rush to judgment next time.

No fucking shit Sandmann wishes he could have avoided the whole thing. He was vilified worldwide because he stood still and smiled while some guy beat a drum inches from his face. I'm sure the dude just wants to play video games and watch Youtube videos and hang out with his friends or whatever the hell it is normal 17 year old boys do these days.

LT already covered this but Nathan Phillips is far from being the innocent Elder he was initially portrayed as by the media. He's also been exposed as a blatant liar. Prove me wrong. Fwiw he's also a longtime activist.

*I'm just glad more footage came to light. Imagine if it had not. Those boys really would have been crucified for doing nothing very little wrong. Most media outlets have retracted their initial story, or at least had the decency to present both sides (much to the predictable outrage of the Far Left Twitterati), which is all I really ask for. Now I'm sure threats of lawsuits had a lot to do with that, and I am totally cool with it if that is the case. Maybe we need more threats of lawsuits in this country to keep the media in line. A few people even lost their jobs over this. This is also good. 

Storytime (because even in a politics post I have to get my rants in)

PW has become my major escape from the "real world." I come here to post about wrestling, music, and whatever else tickles my fancy at any given time while telling long-winded stories and sharing running gags with my HoW pals. I've spent over 6 glorious years on PW and this is the first time I ever waded deep into the political cesspool. But that right there tells you everything you need to know. This story (and Gillette to a lesser extent) got me so outraged that even I had to get political. Here's hoping it's another 6 years before I feel duty bound to wade in again. /Fin

You’re the fucking man, Baker no matter what Gillette says!

The family of Nick Sandmann, the student at the center of a viral confrontation with a Native American protester last weekend, has hired a high-profile libel attorney.

The attorney, L. Lin Wood, "is committed to bringing justice to 16-year-old Nick Sandmann and his family,” Sandmann’s family attorney Todd McMurtry said, according to a local Cincinnati news outlet.

Sandmann and a group of his fellow Covington Catholic High School students are at the heart of a nationwide controversy that began with a confrontation between them and other rallies at the National Mall in Washington, D.C., and since has expanded to include the media coverage of the incident.

www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/nick-sandmanns-family-hires-a-libel-attorney


Good on them especially considering Nathan Phillips is an actor funded by the left to pull these sort of stunts.

Nathan Phillips, the Native American man at the center of the controversy involving Covington Catholic High School students who were unfairly smeared by the media, is raising money with the help of a major big-money left-wing operation and has a history of appearing in the press claiming to be a victim of anti-Native racism.

...

The Native Youth Leadership Alliance (NYLA) is a non-profit organization that is funded by the same far-left power players who are often involved in bankrolling leftist causes. The organization’s funding partners include the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, and the Social Justice Fund Northwest.

mfamediagroup.com/exposed-native-activist-who-harassed-catholic-teens-identified-as-an-actor-and-well-known-radical/

Let us know when the real news picks up these theories.

Jan 26, 2019 7:44:39 GMT RT said:

Let us know when the real news picks up these theories.

Let me know when you can handle a heated debate without having a tantrum 👍🏻.

Really mind boggling that people still care about this story when it seems obvious what happened was a huckster inserted himself into a bad situation and sold it as a story about him, was shown as a victim for about forty eight hours, then turns out he was selling a bullshit product and hey maybe let’s not let that guy and his people fool us again and move on.

Didn’t understand why the story mattered on day one, after it turned out to be inaccurate I really can’t understand why anyone would want to defend Phillips now, and somehow it feels like this nonstory is going to last forever because conservatives got some proof that gives them more time to say fake news now.

The reporters that reported the story were wrong, as reporters are from time to time. Phillips was wrong, as people who insert themselves into situations in order to present themselves as the victim are usually, and and maybe the kids have been shitty or were shitty in the past, maybe MAGA hats are inflammatory to some people, and maybe somebody said build the wall. I can’t figure out a reason to care a week later.

Jan 26, 2019 8:12:39 GMT System said:

Jan 26, 2019 7:44:39 GMT RT said:

Let us know when the real news picks up these theories.

Let me know when you can handle a heated debate without having a tantrum 👍🏻.

If you think this shit show of a thread was a debate then I’m not sure what to tell you.

This whole thread is a disaster movie.

Not a single person changed their avatar to the smug hat kid. Very disappointed.

Jan 26, 2019 7:44:39 GMT RT said:

Let us know when the real news picks up these theories.

 You mean the same "real news" that completely shit the bed on this story?

Jan 26, 2019 22:38:47 GMT thereallt said:

Jan 26, 2019 7:44:39 GMT RT said:

Let us know when the real news picks up these theories.

 You mean the same "real news" that completely shit the bed on this story?

The same real news that was quick to retract/correct/etc when they got the facts wrong? The same real news that isn’t trying to smear one side a week after the fact? The same real news that has interviewed both men involved to get both sides of the story to the public?

Yeah that one.

That same news would still be trying to ruin this kids life a week later and praising the Native American dude as a victims hero a week later IF the other videos didn’t come out. The fact that they’re not talking about it anymore is more proof that the MAGA kid being the victim isn’t a story they’re trying to push. Because it doesn’t equal what they want it to equal and that is that white men are evil.

Jan 27, 2019 0:24:02 GMT KING KID said:

That same news would still be trying to ruin this kids life a week later and praising the Native American dude as a victims hero a week later IF the other videos didn’t come out. The fact that they’re not talking about it anymore is more proof that the MAGA kid being the victim isn’t a story they’re trying to push. Because it doesn’t equal what they want it to equal and that is that white men are evil.

Yeah the kid being on the Today show like two days ago is definitely them trying to squash the story.

The media didn’t do anything other than report on a picture and video that was posted online. The outrage and opinion and misinformation mostly came from the public on social media. Be mad at all the celebrities and twitter liberals that called for the kid’s head, not the news for reporting on a picture they knew was going to be iconic.

Iconic in what way, though? The way they were trying to paint it as in the MAGA people are cocky, arrogant and evil?

Or the other way which is the truth in, Supporting your president will get you attacked by the mob no matter your age, sex, etc, etc.

The media is the bad guy no matter what because they tell the story how they want it to be told. They don’t just point it out as a unfortunate situation but begin to talk about the arrogance and evil of the Trump supporters.

Also, he’s on these shows because he hired a super expensive PR team. What if he wasn’t a kid in a wealthy family? He’d be fucked and silenced.

Jan 27, 2019 0:27:10 GMT RT said:

Jan 27, 2019 0:24:02 GMT KING KID said:

That same news would still be trying to ruin this kids life a week later and praising the Native American dude as a victims hero a week later IF the other videos didn’t come out. The fact that they’re not talking about it anymore is more proof that the MAGA kid being the victim isn’t a story they’re trying to push. Because it doesn’t equal what they want it to equal and that is that white men are evil.

Yeah the kid being on the Today show like two days ago is definitely them trying to squash the story.

The media didn’t do anything other than report on a picture and video that was posted online. The outrage and opinion and misinformation mostly came from the public on social media. Be mad at all the celebrities and twitter liberals that called for the kid’s head, not the news for reporting on a picture they knew was going to be iconic.

Side question.


With the current state of social media. Should we consider social media influencing by celebrities to be part of the main stream media? If a celebrity tweets something the viewership may be just as high as a traditional media outlet.

Jan 27, 2019 1:49:30 GMT nazzer said:

Jan 27, 2019 0:27:10 GMT RT said:

Yeah the kid being on the Today show like two days ago is definitely them trying to squash the story.

The media didn’t do anything other than report on a picture and video that was posted online. The outrage and opinion and misinformation mostly came from the public on social media. Be mad at all the celebrities and twitter liberals that called for the kid’s head, not the news for reporting on a picture they knew was going to be iconic.

Side question.


With the current state of social media. Should we consider social media influencing by celebrities to be part of the main stream media? If a celebrity tweets something the viewership may be just as high as a traditional media outlet.

That’s a good question.

However, I don’t normally give a shit what celebrities think. Most celebrities have zero education, but were talented in something. For example, the left wing falling in love with Cardi B this week who’s an absolute moron if you take time to watch her speak. Oh kurrrrr.

nazzer raises a great point that I wanted to bring up earlier but the conversation here was all over the place and I was too angry to make my point properly. Everyone would have just said I was defending the liberal fake news or whatever the fuck you people say now when you disagree with facts.

Sorry. It’s happening again.

Going by what I saw, I think the blame for this getting blown out of context has to fall on social media and the celebrities like Kathy Griffin that were calling for this kid’s head right after the first video and screenshot dropped. Every news outlet I saw just reported what was in the video and didn’t add any other context, because there wasn’t any yet. And yet somehow the “evil mainstream media” is to blame for spreading fake news.

This is the type of bullshit that made me so angry. Stubborn people (ON BOTH SIDES, CALM DOWN) form their opinions, tweet it, spread info that validates their opinion only, then move on before other information comes out or ignore it completely. Then when people call them on their bullshit they don’t take ownership, or admit that maybe they got something wrong, they just blame the news for not getting it right the first time.

It’s childish and stupid and fucking destroying society. And also PW.

There I feel better.

RT not quite sure exactly your point..


I do feel there is a certain social license celebrities have where they should be using their influence for good, and I do appreciate when they use social media for that.... if their opinion is based on facts. Is there any way to regulate this reasonably? I know some social media platforms are self policing, for example Facebook and Twitter ban hate groups and such. People on the right side of the spectrum would suggest their voice is suppressed by social media platforms. So how do we do this the correct way?

Jan 27, 2019 0:27:10 GMT RT said:

Jan 27, 2019 0:24:02 GMT KING KID said:

That same news would still be trying to ruin this kids life a week later and praising the Native American dude as a victims hero a week later IF the other videos didn’t come out. The fact that they’re not talking about it anymore is more proof that the MAGA kid being the victim isn’t a story they’re trying to push. Because it doesn’t equal what they want it to equal and that is that white men are evil.

Yeah the kid being on the Today show like two days ago is definitely them trying to squash the story.

The media didn’t do anything other than report on a picture and video that was posted online. The outrage and opinion and misinformation mostly came from the public on social media. Be mad at all the celebrities and twitter liberals that called for the kid’s head, not the news for reporting on a picture they knew was going to be iconic.

But had the media reported the story correctly, this outrage would have never gotten out of hand like this.

The media has frankly gotten more and more irresponsible as time marches on.   Facts, truth  and objectivity have given way to ratings, money, and ideology.   The media getting a story wrong can be devastating to the person  they are reporting on.  Once the story is out there it's VERY hard to take it back.   A simple retraction is barely enough. 

Jan 27, 2019 4:26:01 GMT thereallt said:

Jan 27, 2019 0:27:10 GMT RT said:

Yeah the kid being on the Today show like two days ago is definitely them trying to squash the story.

The media didn’t do anything other than report on a picture and video that was posted online. The outrage and opinion and misinformation mostly came from the public on social media. Be mad at all the celebrities and twitter liberals that called for the kid’s head, not the news for reporting on a picture they knew was going to be iconic.

But had the media reported the story correctly, this outrage would have never gotten out of hand like this.

The media has frankly gotten more and more irresponsible as time marches on.   Facts, truth  and objectivity have given way to ratings, money, and ideology.   The media getting a story wrong can be devastating to the person  they are reporting on.  Once the story is out there it's VERY hard to take it back.   A simple retraction is barely enough. 

So what exactly are they supposed to do? You keep just going back to “the media was wrong!” without offering any solutions.

They reported what they knew at the time. The video and pictures were posted online by people at the rally, not the evil media that apparently did everything wrong. They just laid out what facts they knew, then added/retracted/whatever as more information came to light.

It isn’t “the media’s” fault that everyone formed their opinion before all the facts were out.

Jan 27, 2019 4:42:43 GMT RT said:

Jan 27, 2019 4:26:01 GMT thereallt said:

But had the media reported the story correctly, this outrage would have never gotten out of hand like this.

The media has frankly gotten more and more irresponsible as time marches on.   Facts, truth  and objectivity have given way to ratings, money, and ideology.   The media getting a story wrong can be devastating to the person  they are reporting on.  Once the story is out there it's VERY hard to take it back.   A simple retraction is barely enough. 

So what exactly are they supposed to do? You keep just going back to “the media was wrong!” without offering any solutions.

They reported what they knew at the time. The video and pictures were posted online by people at the rally, not the evil media that apparently did everything wrong. They just laid out what facts they knew, then added/retracted/whatever as more information came to light.

It isn’t “the media’s” fault that everyone formed their opinion before all the facts were out.

For a start, they should have properly vetted the videos before reporting on them.  But nope, got to get the hot scoop out there.  Fuck things like professional standards.

Once upon a time the media was responsible and checked their facts before running a story.
I do find this story alarming, not that it was left leaning, but how they didn't even investigate the source which seems to be a fake twitter feed. It shouldn't be that easy to manipulate the public debate.

Main stream media is struggling to keep relavent in the face of the instantaneous nature of social media. As a result the 24hr news cycle is a hungry demanding beast and they will run things quickly to avoid YouTube and Twitter scooping them.
It's shameful...

In my country the media rolls governments, they said the narrative and whip up a frenzy until a politician blinks and says one thing that agrees with the frenzy and then it's all over.

If there is no source on the record and no supporting documentation the story shouldn't be run.
I hope that little shit bag in the red hats sues the media outlets into oblivion.

If only they had known how to diffuse this at the time.

Jan 27, 2019 15:56:49 GMT System said:

If only they had known how to diffuse this at the time.

Alright that’s fucking hilarious.

Odd minor note on media coverage. I noticed for whatever reason that Phillips was often introduced as a Vietnam veteran. I find that descriptor odd unnecessary.

Jan 27, 2019 18:17:06 GMT theend said:

Odd minor note on media coverage. I noticed for whatever reason that Phillips was often introduced as a Vietnam veteran. I find that descriptor odd unnecessary.

Especially considering he isn't one.   My father, father in law, and several close family friends were Vietnam vets, people lying about that irritates the shit out of me.

Jan 27, 2019 18:17:06 GMT theend said:

Odd minor note on media coverage. I noticed for whatever reason that Phillips was often introduced as a Vietnam veteran. I find that descriptor odd unnecessary.

What? Fridge mechanic on an army base during the war isn’t enough?

Pretty sure the kids didn't know he was a Vietnam vet until the news hit.

Not sure it was an issue at the point in time of the incident.

He isn’t a Vietnam veteran

www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2019/01/23/nathan-phillips-man-standoff-with-covington-teens-faces-scrutiny-his-military-past/