I'm going to try and bring this up again because I think it's well worth discussing, this time without the identity politics



Here is the most un-edited video so PW viewers can watch and draw their own conclusions without the media shaping the narrative.

For me the relevant facts are as followed.

-The so called "African Americans praying" that the mainstream media reported were actually fringe members of the Black Hebrew Israelites shouting homophobic and racist comments.  They were doing ANYTHING but praying peacefully

-This was pro-life rally.   Trump supporters being present should not have been a big surprise.

-In response to the BHI the Covington Catholic kids (because that's what they are HIGH SCHOOL KIDS) start doing their high school chants.   They're turned up, but they are NOT hostile in ANY way.    

-Nathan Phillips and his band walk up in between the two groups and start drumming and singing their tribal chants.  They claim they were trying to diffuse the tension.   

-Nathan Phillips walks right up to the boy in question and starts drumming and chanting right in his face.   The kid is guilty of nothing but wearing a MAGA hat and having a face made for slapping.   In  no way shape or form does he provoke Phillips or make any attempts to harass and intimidate him.

-Some of the Covington kids start yelling "Build a Wall!!!" and other ignorant things AFTER Phillips get in the face of the kid and chanting and beating his drum.   AT NO POINT did the Covington kid make any attempt to move in on Phillips and surround them like the media claimed.   Phillips was the one who insinuated himself in the situation, Phillips is the one that approached the group of kids, Phillips is the one who invading that kid's personal space.    Yes the response of the other kids was immature and ignorant, but once again these are CHILDREN.  Phillips is the adult in this situation.

-Which brings my next point.   The media focused their story on the behavior of the Covington kids WHEN PHILLIPS WAS THE ADULT IN THIS SITUATION.   Why aren't they focusing on HIS behavior.  He's the one that walked up to this group of kids, He's the one that started drumming and chanting in that kids face.   And the media SAY NOTHING ABOUT IT.    

Bottom line is the media tried to frame the narrative that the Covington catholic students were the provacteurs of this whole event while completely omitting or downplaying the actions of the Black Hebrew Israelites and completely absolving Mr. Phillips of any responsibility in this incident, even though unedited footage clearly shows that the BHI and Mr Phillips were clearly the prime instigators  here.   

I'll let you draw your own conclusions as to why, but my opinion is the media were inherently biased against the Covington kids because of the MAGA hats and shaped the narrative to confirm those biases.  Shame on them.

Just a few of many examples of the apologies/retractions regarding this story published after the fact.

DEAR CONSERVATIVE MEDIA: MOST OF YOU BELONG IN JAIL TODAY


The Covington scandal proves that American journalists are unhinged, dishonest, disreputable and cruel. Most unforgivable of all, though, are the Republican phonies and collaborators.
Apparently, the few remaining non-pedophile Democrats have been feeling left out and needed a way that they, too, could ruin children’s lives. This weekend they found it. A Native American hate crime hoax targeted children from a Christian school, Covington Catholic, wrongly claiming that its students were hateful bigots taunting a defenseless old Native American elder. The truth? They’d been called “fa**ots” by black Hebrew protesters and were deliberately provoked by the indigenous rights activist, a longtime Democrat political operative called Nathan Phillips whose “Vietnam vet” credentials are now being called into question. Far from being smug bullies as reported, Covington students were smiling so as not to get angry at being provoked by black protesters and then by a Native American elder who approached them to taunt them—in other words, they were remaining good-natured out of Christian charity.

Source:
www.dangerous.com/49859/dear-conservative-media-most-of-you-belong-in-jail-today/

I have no real interest in the "this is the true story about what happened!!" part of this story - but the idea that a guy in a MAGA hat in the face of a Native American could possibly have been trying to diffuse the situation is pretty hilarious.

I’m not sure a firing related to a journalist wishing for death is an apology for coverage, because if he’d been factual he still should’ve been fired.

Anyway, awfully weird story that the press blew up. Even if everything assumed were true it didn’t deserve the media presence it got, that it wound up being bullshit looks doubly bad.

@hr it was the Native American who claimed he was trying to diffuse the situation between a predominantly white catholic school and some verbally abusive black people.

Jan 22, 2019 3:49:23 GMT mikec said:

@hr it was the Native American who claimed he was trying to diffuse the situation between a predominantly white catholic school and some verbally abusive black people.

The kid claimed the same thing:
He locked eyes with me and approached me, coming within inches of my face. He played his drum the entire time he was in my face. I never interacted with this protestor. I did not speak to him. I did not make any hand gestures or other aggressive moves. To be honest, I was startled and confused as to why he had approached me. I believed that by remaining motionless and calm, I was helping to diffuse the situation.

I mean the evidence is right there on his head! :lol:

Why are MAGA hats offensive to Native Americans?

Jan 22, 2019 4:39:00 GMT System said:

Why are MAGA hats offensive to Native Americans?

Duh?

Jan 22, 2019 3:44:47 GMT @admin said:

I have no real interest in the "this is the true story about what happened!!" part of this story - but the idea that a guy in a MAGA hat in the face of a Native American could possibly have been trying to diffuse the situation is pretty hilarious.

And no one has made the claim whatsoever.    It was PHILLIPS (the native American guy) that claimed to be diffusing the situation.     Tell me how walking up and getting in the face of a teenage boy wearing a MAGA hat, then chanting and drumming in his face is somehow diffusing the situation.

The hilarious thing is people continuing to try and pin this on the Covington students when the footage clearly shows they were not the provocateurs here.

Jan 22, 2019 9:15:04 GMT thereallt said:

Jan 22, 2019 3:44:47 GMT @admin said:

I have no real interest in the "this is the true story about what happened!!" part of this story - but the idea that a guy in a MAGA hat in the face of a Native American could possibly have been trying to diffuse the situation is pretty hilarious.

And no one has made the claim whatsoever.    It was PHILLIPS (the native American guy) that claimed to be diffusing the situation.     Tell me how walking up and getting in the face of a teenage boy wearing a MAGA hat, then chanting and drumming in his face is somehow diffusing the situation.

The hilarious thing is people continuing to try and pin this on the Covington students when the footage clearly shows they were not the provocateurs here.

Hello. I don't know if you are aware, but the MAGA hat pretty strongly signifies a right leaning ideology in today's political climate. You may also not be aware, there was some sort of left ideal rally the day this incident occurred (I forget exactly what it was). Now, we could pretend the boys who were wearing the inflammartory hats weren't going to stir up trouble, or we could be naive and pretend we don't know exactly what type of reaction wearing that hat will get. 

Now, I don't know how many native american pow wows you've been to - but many people consider the ryhtmic drumming and chanting to be relaxing and calming, which falls in line with Mr Phillips claim of intent. 

You can roll back the footage as far as you want, but no one shows up in Washington, DC wearing a MAGA hat who is looking for a calm discussion. These kids were looking to stir up trouble. 

Before we all start being accused of being 'alt-right' - grown adults were shouting obscenities at school children, then another grown adult walks up and gets into the face of one of the children. The adults should know better, regardless of the kid's hat.

Jan 22, 2019 10:46:14 GMT nazzer said:

Jan 22, 2019 9:15:04 GMT thereallt said:

And no one has made the claim whatsoever.    It was PHILLIPS (the native American guy) that claimed to be diffusing the situation.     Tell me how walking up and getting in the face of a teenage boy wearing a MAGA hat, then chanting and drumming in his face is somehow diffusing the situation.

The hilarious thing is people continuing to try and pin this on the Covington students when the footage clearly shows they were not the provocateurs here.

Hello. I don't know if you are aware, but the MAGA hat pretty strongly signifies a right leaning ideology in today's political climate. You may also not be aware, there was some sort of left ideal rally the day this incident occurred (I forget exactly what it was). Now, we could pretend the boys who were wearing the inflammartory hats weren't going to stir up trouble, or we could be naive and pretend we don't know exactly what type of reaction wearing that hat will get. 

Now, I don't know how many native american pow wows you've been to - but many people consider the ryhtmic drumming and chanting to be relaxing and calming, which falls in line with Mr Phillips claim of intent. 

You can roll back the footage as far as you want, but no one shows up in Washington, DC wearing a MAGA hat who is looking for a calm discussion. These kids were looking to stir up trouble. 

You're entitled to your opinion but you ARE NOT entitled to your own facts

-Since when do people with right leaning political views are not allowed to assemble peacefully??
-Their may have been a left-leaning rally ELSEWHERE in DC that day, but this was NOT it.  This was a PRO-LIFE rally which last I checked is not left-leaning cause.
-Sorry but the left do not get to be the sole-arbiters of what is acceptable to wear and what is not.  There is NOTHING inherently inflammatory about wearing a MAGA hat.  Especially at a PRO-LIFE RALLY
-Since when is walking right up to a teenage boy, then chanting and drumming IN THE BOYS FACE  trying to diffuse a situation??"

Finally, who is the adult and who is the child in this situation?   I find it really disturbing you're trying to put this on a bunch of high school kids when THE ADULTS in this situation (the Black Hebrew Israelites and Mr Phillips) were clearly the instigators.

Jan 22, 2019 11:27:39 GMT thereallt said:

Jan 22, 2019 10:46:14 GMT nazzer said:

Hello. I don't know if you are aware, but the MAGA hat pretty strongly signifies a right leaning ideology in today's political climate. You may also not be aware, there was some sort of left ideal rally the day this incident occurred (I forget exactly what it was). Now, we could pretend the boys who were wearing the inflammartory hats weren't going to stir up trouble, or we could be naive and pretend we don't know exactly what type of reaction wearing that hat will get. 

Now, I don't know how many native american pow wows you've been to - but many people consider the ryhtmic drumming and chanting to be relaxing and calming, which falls in line with Mr Phillips claim of intent. 

You can roll back the footage as far as you want, but no one shows up in Washington, DC wearing a MAGA hat who is looking for a calm discussion. These kids were looking to stir up trouble. 

You're entitled to your opinion but you ARE NOT entitled to your own facts

-Since when do people with right leaning political views are not allowed to assemble peacefully??
-Their may have been a left-leaning rally ELSEWHERE in DC that day, but this was NOT it.  This was a PRO-LIFE rally which last I checked is not left-leaning cause.
-Sorry but the left do not get to be the sole-arbiters of what is acceptable to wear and what is not.  There is NOTHING inherently inflammatory about wearing a MAGA hat.  Especially at a PRO-LIFE RALLY
-Since when is walking right up to a teenage boy, then chanting and drumming IN THE BOYS FACE  trying to diffuse a situation??"

Finally, who is the adult and who is the child in this situation?   I find it really disturbing you're trying to put this on a bunch of high school kids when THE ADULTS in this situation (the Black Hebrew Israelites and Mr Phillips) were clearly the instigators.

No one is denied the right to assemble peacefully. But to expect to be able to wear inflammatory slogans without being confronted is ridiculous.

If you aren't aware of the negative impression the maga hat will create, then you mustn't be paying attention.

Jan 22, 2019 11:34:17 GMT nazzer said:

Jan 22, 2019 11:27:39 GMT thereallt said:

You're entitled to your opinion but you ARE NOT entitled to your own facts

-Since when do people with right leaning political views are not allowed to assemble peacefully??
-Their may have been a left-leaning rally ELSEWHERE in DC that day, but this was NOT it.  This was a PRO-LIFE rally which last I checked is not left-leaning cause.
-Sorry but the left do not get to be the sole-arbiters of what is acceptable to wear and what is not.  There is NOTHING inherently inflammatory about wearing a MAGA hat.  Especially at a PRO-LIFE RALLY
-Since when is walking right up to a teenage boy, then chanting and drumming IN THE BOYS FACE  trying to diffuse a situation??"

Finally, who is the adult and who is the child in this situation?   I find it really disturbing you're trying to put this on a bunch of high school kids when THE ADULTS in this situation (the Black Hebrew Israelites and Mr Phillips) were clearly the instigators.

No one is denied the right to assemble peacefully. But to expect to be able to wear inflammatory slogans without being confronted is ridiculous.

If you aren't aware of the negative impression the maga hat will create, then you mustn't be paying attention.

How is it any more inflammatory than wearing a Che Guevara shirt?

Jan 22, 2019 9:15:04 GMT thereallt said:

Jan 22, 2019 3:44:47 GMT @admin said:

I have no real interest in the "this is the true story about what happened!!" part of this story - but the idea that a guy in a MAGA hat in the face of a Native American could possibly have been trying to diffuse the situation is pretty hilarious.

And no one has made the claim whatsoever.    It was PHILLIPS (the native American guy) that claimed to be diffusing the situation.     Tell me how walking up and getting in the face of a teenage boy wearing a MAGA hat, then chanting and drumming in his face is somehow diffusing the situation.

The hilarious thing is people continuing to try and pin this on the Covington students when the footage clearly shows they were not the provocateurs here.

Per hr the kid is saying he was trying to diffuse the situation.

As thereallt pointed out it was a pro-life march, an issue that Trump heavily campaigned for.

Ive seen people punch others just for getting too close to them, let alone drumming in their face. There’s no denying if hat guy wasn’t Caucasian and told the drum guy to fuck off it wouldn’t be a news story.

It’s just the story of the boy who cried wolf, when you cry racism at every turn people just tune out when actual prejudice takes place.

He’s wearing a hat, he’s not Bruce Willis in Die Hard with a Vengeance.

Whether Nathan Phillips was trying to diffuse the situation or not between two groups, isn’t the issue. The fact is he targeted one side of the group, literally a bunch of teenage boys jumping around and laughing - they aren’t doing anything harmful to him and yet everyone is spinning the racist theme around the situation.

Are they racist for standing there? No
Is he racist for smiling? No
Are they racist for wearing a hat? No

If someone got that close to me, I would move back, I would tell them to F off. The kid kept his cool and if he was the kid MSM is making him out to be, that wouldn’t be the case. This kid is getting death threats from grown ass adults - and that’s what’s wrong with the world, not a stupid hat saying MAGA.
MAGA literally has no power except what people choose to give it.

They hate it because Trump came up with it? FINE. Take it back, give it your own damn meaning. Don’t give 4 words power to offend your delicate little heart.

Neither one of them was racist in the situation. Both were acting how they thought they should. Nathan Phillips is a grown adult you should’ve known better than to tower over a child. If this was the other way around, a Caucasian man towering over a coloured kid wearing a MAGA hat it would be different.

I am so glad this story got bought up again because the fact that it got locked originally was bullshit and completely alt left shutting down freedom of speech because you disagree with the facts and results. Straight bullshit.

The MSM should be ashamed of themselves for what they tried to do. This shit is out of control. The media tries to tell the world who is racist without getting facts. YET, they can say whatever they want and never get in trouble. There is literally no accountability to the press because of the stupid “freedom of the press” law. You can’t even sue them because of that stupid loophole because there’s so many gray areas to it.

Also the video of the black dudes shitting on white people gets no press. No heat. It’s become acceptable because of the MSM being obsessed with portraying the white man as racist when they weee literally the only racist ones.

Also MAGA hat is not racist. It’s reprsenting the message of the POTUS.

Can someone post the photos of the Covington catholic school kids wearing black face and taunting minority students during basketball games?

But yeah, these kids are totally innocent and weren't being bad in anyway.

Jan 22, 2019 13:42:20 GMT nazzer said:

Can someone post the photos of the Covington catholic school kids wearing black face and taunting minority students during basketball games?

But yeah, these kids are totally innocent and weren't being bad in anyway.

I didn't see any of that in this rally.    

I just find it incredible you're holding high school children to a MUCH higher standard of behavior than grown adults. 

nazzer is blatantly trying to divert the attention away from the fact that this is NOT the conclusion he wanted this story to tell.

Even his defense of them wearing black face at some other event just shows his ignorance. Should all people be judged by one groups of actions? Because if that’s a fact, then shouldn’t Muslims be judged by 9/11? Hispanics by MS13? Blacks by gang violence? Germans by the Holocaust? I mean, shit, stay true to one belief without changing your idea of it when it benefits your agenda.

Also, love the ignoring of the Black Israelites blatantly shouting racist things and threatening death to whites.

Jan 22, 2019 13:42:20 GMT nazzer said:

Can someone post the photos of the Covington catholic school kids wearing black face and taunting minority students during basketball games?

But yeah, these kids are totally innocent and weren't being bad in anyway.

Third, the photograph appeared to depict a game between Covington Catholic and “Clark County,” based on the uniform of the opposing player, a game that actually took place. The event was Covington Catholic’s season opening game at George Rogers Clark High School, which was held on 27 November 2012. An archived version of Covington Catholic’s school newspaper described their opponent as “Clark County” in that game, which Covington won 59-38.

Based on comments in the BluegrassPreps message board, the intent of the black body paint was not racial but was instead a school tradition related to “black out” games, during which fans wore black to support the team.

- Snopes

Apparently a few high schools did this and also White out games.

www.omaha.com/news/education/millard-north-bans-full-facial-paint-after-blackout-event-draws/article_95fa6e2c-6bc2-11e6-a0de-4b9a58115c98.html

It was a protest / rally. Aren't all sides being provocative / dicks at a rally? Kind of the point of being there. And there is kind of nothing wrong with that. Social disorder is often needed to unrest things. Sometimes you need to walk in the face of a potentially violent situation and instigate possible violence. I don't know enough about the MAGA kid or the drum dude to take sides on either and history will declare victors. But protest is a vital part of the world, even if you are being a perceived dick.

This thread got locked the first time because of how it was brought up, sorry System but you biased it toward your views from the title to your opening sentence. LT has done it in a way that has promoted discussion from both sides.

@the Kid I mightn't like what you say and find some of the things you've bragged about in the past distasteful when it comes to women, but you are free to speak your mind.

As for the photos from that basketball game, it shows a staggering lack of common sense and no matter how you try to slice it, blackface is racist.

Yeah, the most innocent black face paint still stands a 99.99% chance of being perceived as racist and should just be avoided at all costs. Perceiving a MAGA hat as racist is a much more generous margin of error. Inflammatory, sure. Perceive a MAGA hat inflammatory. But that is allowing some people to project on it as well.

Anyone that played highschool basketball in the US experienced anything similar?

Also I’m very doubtful hat guy was even there anyway,
obviously thousands of people can go to the same high school,

Jan 22, 2019 14:23:10 GMT Call said:

This thread got locked the first time because of how it was brought up, sorry System but you biased it toward your views from the title to your opening sentence. LT has done it in a way that has promoted discussion from both sides.

@the Kid I mightn't like what you say and find some of the things you've bragged about in the past distasteful when it comes to women, but you are free to speak your mind.

As for the photos from that basketball game, it shows a staggering lack of common sense and no matter how you try to slice it, blackface is racist.

If I made a thread in WWE that said

X Wrestler is garbage

Here’s why x Wrestler is garbage

It would be fine, and people would just post
why they think x Wrestler is garbage or not.

What’s the difference?




Edit: not my thread but here’s an example.
pwcom.proboards.com/thread/1528/cole-graves-awful

Jan 22, 2019 14:23:10 GMT Call said:

This thread got locked the first time because of how it was brought up, sorry System but you biased it toward your views from the title to your opening sentence. LT has done it in a way that has promoted discussion from both sides.

@the Kid I mightn't like what you say and find some of the things you've bragged about in the past distasteful when it comes to women, but you are free to speak your mind.

As for the photos from that basketball game, it shows a staggering lack of common sense and no matter how you try to slice it, blackface is racist.

Yeah I don't think the kids had any racist intent at that game (blackout games are a common tradition in high school games all across the country) but in this day and age blackface should be avoided in all circumstances.   It is way too easy to send out the wrong perception.   Blackface also has way too much negative  historical baggage attached to it.

Jan 22, 2019 14:35:16 GMT System said:

Anyone that played highschool basketball in the US experienced anything similar?

Also I’m very doubtful hat guy was even there anyway,
obviously thousands of people can go to the same high school,

Jan 22, 2019 14:23:10 GMT Call said:

This thread got locked the first time because of how it was brought up, sorry System but you biased it toward your views from the title to your opening sentence. LT has done it in a way that has promoted discussion from both sides.

@the Kid I mightn't like what you say and find some of the things you've bragged about in the past distasteful when it comes to women, but you are free to speak your mind.

As for the photos from that basketball game, it shows a staggering lack of common sense and no matter how you try to slice it, blackface is racist.

If I made a thread in WWE that said

X Wrestler is garbage

Here’s why x Wrestler is garbage

It would be fine, and people would just post
why they think x Wrestler is garbage or not.

What’s the difference?




Edit: not my thread but here’s an example.
pwcom.proboards.com/thread/1528/cole-graves-awful

X is y
Because previous example of y

The Covington kids were purposely trying to incite hatred.
The Covington kids clearly grew up on a culture of inciting hatred.

Jan 22, 2019 16:35:12 GMT nazzer said:

Jan 22, 2019 14:35:16 GMT System said:

Anyone that played highschool basketball in the US experienced anything similar?

Also I’m very doubtful hat guy was even there anyway,
obviously thousands of people can go to the same high school,



If I made a thread in WWE that said

X Wrestler is garbage

Here’s why x Wrestler is garbage

It would be fine, and people would just post
why they think x Wrestler is garbage or not.

What’s the difference?




Edit: not my thread but here’s an example.
pwcom.proboards.com/thread/1528/cole-graves-awful

X is y
Because previous example of y

The Covington kids were purposely trying to incite hatred.
The Covington kids clearly grew up on a culture of inciting hatred.

As established in the posts previously, many high schools engage in white out/black out days for sporting events. See the article i listed.

Jan 22, 2019 16:42:18 GMT System said:

Jan 22, 2019 16:35:12 GMT nazzer said:

X is y
Because previous example of y

The Covington kids were purposely trying to incite hatred.
The Covington kids clearly grew up on a culture of inciting hatred.

As established in the posts previously, many high schools engage in white out/black out days for sporting events. See the article i listed.

So your logic here seems to be.... "lot's of people are blatavlty racist, so the racism has been mitigated"?

Another person bringing up their distaste on how I treat women. Lmao. Cut the nonsense out. While most were getting their hearts broken by chicks growing up, I was not because of the way I handled those situations. Like I said before, you’re either the wolf or the sheep. You saying that you disagree with the way I treat women like it makes you a more respected person for vocalizing that is nauseating. Get over it and stay on the topic at hand.