Here's where I differ. I don't mind the gambling themes. The original 'All In', was a gamble.. DoN was a continuation of that.

That's where it ends though.

The meme inspired stuff and the playstation 2 era FPS sounding 'Fight for our Fallen' is awful stuff. Creative geniuses.

Can we talk about Chris Jericho?

The AEW fanboys will tell you he's all about innovation and pushing the business forward. Yet, The Inner Circle did nothing for anyone else, The JAS is another ego stroke that and has done nothing for anyone else and winning the ROH Title is a joke - the belt should be on a guy like Claudio once again to distinguish the difference between the two supposed brands, or a young lion to build credibility.

I'd imagine Jericho goes to TK with a wanky idea. TK says "no". Then Jericho says "pfft, it's just like being in WWE" and then TK says "yes". And thus, " I'm a wizard " is born.

Everything has come up Jericho in 2022.

Towards the end of 2021, it's fair to say his days were numbered. Chris helped get them off the ground, he worked with a lot of the younger talent and it appeared he was beginning to wear out his welcome. With Punk, Danielson, Cole and a slew of other guys coming into the company the writing was on the wall.

So what happens? Jericho nearly dies and uses that as a wake-up call to shed the weight. In turn, his match quality improves dramatically and he's the most consistent he has been in years.

This is where his luck turns. Danielson takes himself out of the game by forming the Blackpool Combat Club, which effectively made him the second in command to Moxley. CM Punk returns, knocks Hangman off as Champion only to shatter his ankle doing a stage dive. MJF decides to all Loose Cannon to take the edge off of putting Wardlow over and Adam Cole's body just completely goes out on him. Paving the way for Jericho to not only keep his spot but cement it.

So when things hit the fan at All Out, Jericho stepped in and assumed more responsibility to help Khan out.

"Hey TK, I know Claudio is ROH Champion, but he's not doing anything with it. How about you give it to me, make me the otcho champion and I become the Anti-ROH Champion beating up all the beloved former ROH Champions? How cool would that be?"

AEW is a very transparent company. Tony will lean on a few talents to pitch their ideas, TK will then fit them onto the show and feature them in terms of preference. This time last year, Jericho was lower on the totem pole and working alongside America's Top Team because all the other bigger acts were busy. Now? Jericho gets to call his own shots. Dynamite is the MJF, Jericho, Moxley variety hour and the rest have to scrap and claw to get TV time. Once their program is done, they're back in catering because 'creative has nothing for them'. So much momentum just dies on the vine while Jericho has to feature on every show.

I'll fix that comment:

Jericho: "Hey TK, I know Claudio is ROH Champion, but you're not doing anything with it. How about you give it to me, make me the otcho champion and I become the Anti-ROH Champion beating up all the beloved former ROH Champions who are 10 years younger than me, better performers and you know, the fans will love it. How cool would that be? I mean, what a selfless act.. right Tony?

TK: "Oh, that's so smart the fans will love it. Not only will you be the octho champion.. you're my new creative advisor!"



Schiavone: "Hey Tony, the ratings for Rampage are in... "

Jericho as champ is fine but the ROH brand name is useless.

I honestly think Jericho has been a nuisance for years.

He spent the end of his WWE career beating guys he really shouldn't have (like KO, Wyatt and worst of all, Styles at Mania a few months after his debut).

Then he jumped to AEW. Who was the first ever world champion in this new, exciting company full of new, exciting wrestlers? A 50-year-old who won his first world title almost 20 years ago. You want an alternative to WWE? Too bad!

He's been the leader of two factions. He gets to play commentator whenever he feels like. His entrances last longer than some matches. He had that absolutely appalling singing thing with MJF. The NBA viewers accidentally saw him one night and absolutely ripped into him (but people keep thinking he's some kinda well-known mainstream draw!). His band is rotten too.

Claudio finally got his "u deserve it uwu" title reign after being WASTED in WWE for years, held it for less than two months, only defended it four times (and one of them was against Ariya Daivari on Dark!) and of course, had to lose it to Jericho!

When Jericho was in WCW, the main event scene was clogged up with old guys who didn't know when to step aside. Now that's him.

There's a weird irony to Chris Jericho as noted above. But for an alternative to WWE, he believes acting like a " sports entertainer " and oversaturating the company with his obnoxiousness is a great heel move, it's not.

Take a page from Roman Reigns or Brock. Show up once every few weeks and make it special.

While WWE fans may love not seeing the tops guys for weeks on ends and only have a few matches a year, I would prefer that AEW actually uses their top guys.

I'd rather Roman Reigns show up twice a month and sell the next PLE, than week on week of a cocaine fuelled Jericho calling himself a [insert new title here]

At this late stage of career, less really is more and Jericho should take note.

I get Jericho was likely the biggest star AEW could sign in the beginning, and understandably you do need to put guys like him front and centre when the company is new and trying to establish itself. But at what point do you pull it back and go - ok, you're a marquee name, how do we make this guy a special attraction?

If Hogan demanded the title in TNA and said he wanted to beat all the former TNA champions on at hand on weekly television in front of 500 people and less than a million in television ratings... exactly how valuable is Hogan?

Eddie Kingston has been affected most by the curse of Jericho. He's been invisible lately.

Is there like a shred of evidence that Jericho secretly runs AEW and is personally deciding who gets to do what?

As for Kingston he has been on Dark working an angle with Ortiz where he attacks people after the match and Ortiz has to stop him.  And it was not Jericho that pulled him off the air, but Sammy bitching.  

He's an official producer and " creative advisor " and a senior leader along with Mox.. that, and calls TK " one of his best friends "

Read between the lines.

It's call influence. Hogan, Flair, The Kliq and later Hunter and likely many others throughout the years.



www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2022/tv/news/chris-jericho-aew-contract-extension-2-1235407072/amp/

Or maybe Tony is using Jericho because he draws with the males 30-40 demo that TNT is trying to build on their network right now, and Tony can leverage that into a third wrestling show for RoH, instead of one of the non-wrestling shows the network is trying to get him to make with talent.

I like Jericho.

I think you guys are overanalyzing the situation.

I think they saw the success that came with making Chris Jericho the first AEW World Champion and now with a new ROH PPV around the corner and a likely weekly TV/streaming program to follow in 2023, they’re trying it again.

If it ain’t broke…

Also are we forgetting that we’re supposed to hate the fact that Chris Jericho, the leader of a group of sports entertainers, is the ROH World Champion and beating fan favourites? Like, bad guys win sometimes.

I actually like the angle. I’m a little sick of the amount of ROH content on my TV every week while other AEW stars I like are on the sidelines, but this stuff with JAS/ROH is pretty great so far.

Oct 19, 2022 21:39:55 GMT c said:

Is there like a shred of evidence that Jericho secretly runs AEW and is personally deciding who gets to do what?

As for Kingston he has been on Dark working an angle with Ortiz where he attacks people after the match and Ortiz has to stop him.  And it was not Jericho that pulled him off the air, but Sammy bitching.  

The proof is in the pudding.

Jericho has been really open about the creative process. He'll pitch an entire program to TK, TK will usually approve all of it and they're off to the races.

Which is understandable, Jericho is one of the biggest names on the roster. However it's questionable whether his ideas have been in the best interest of AEW or merely himself. Historically the biggest criticism around Jericho in the locker room is how selfish he can be and he's his own biggest fan and I think that's manifested a few times on the show.

Without Punk, Omega, The Bucks, Cody, Cole etc. Jericho is getting far more reign. So for those who dislike the ROH stuff, you can hold Jericho responsible as well.

This is the 1st time I remember an AEW storyline that makes me disinterested enough to the point that I feel like skipping it all during the build-up to Fear Gear when I picked up where I left off. The entire angle seems so boring I don't know maybe I'll be proven wrong.

I think it's building to someone "ROH-esque" taking the title off a heel Jericho at the December PPV. I just don't know who that'll be.

Maybe Claudio returns and takes it? Maybe Jay Lethal gets the win (although he's a heel too, so)? Maybe that have someone returning that I can't think of?

Even though I don't think he should be a pillar. The Inner Circle did work to get Sammy over. And if you consider all the members current positions Sammy is still second strongest pillar. Jungle Boy is easily dead last and has still done nothing of note. Darby disappears for a long time then gets thrown in tag matches every so often.

Claudio winning a dead company world title means nothing. Winning WWE's ECW meant more then that. Jericho atleast putting a story on a title that means nothing.

I don't think it would take much for either Darby or Jungle Boy to leapfrog Sammy. Honestly if Sammy has one more screw-up I could see that be the end of him. Plus, the pillars only exist to prop up MJF's platitudes - AEW isn't booked around those 4 specific guys. Both Yuta and Garcia are far more relevant than either guy.

You're not wrong about Claudio, which is a shame really. That seemed to be a real opportunity to book Claudio like his NXT run where he was clearly a class above and would find new ways to destroy his opponent. Instead they booked him like a TNT Champion taking on TNT-tier opponents like Dax Harwood and Dustin Rhodes and his run went nowhere. Claudio vs. Eddie Kingston seemed like the natural story, but that got completely cut-off at the knees for one of two reasons. Either neither guy wanted to go in that direction or they couldn't reconcile it since they wanted to do more Eddie/JAS stuff.

If it's the latter it'd be a shame because that dragged out way too long.

Oct 20, 2022 16:56:17 GMT RT said:

I think it's building to someone "ROH-esque" taking the title off a heel Jericho at the December PPV. I just don't know who that'll be.

Maybe Claudio returns and takes it? Maybe Jay Lethal gets the win (although he's a heel too, so)? Maybe that have someone returning that I can't think of?

Has Samoa Joe challenged yet?

He's a name I, for one, associate with old/golden-era ROH other than Danielson (who ain't gonna step back to ROH) or Fallen Angel Christopher Daniels, who may or may not be retired and would certainly need a lot of rebuilding before he can be the face of a relaunched brand.

As far as Jericho, I'm having a bit of trouble thinking of who he's made in AEW. Sammy is IMO a maybe; Jericho certainly helped in the beginning but he seemed to be floundering until discovering the power of annoying people with excessive PDA. MJF was pegged as a guy on the rise when he worked with him, so maybe Orange Cassidy? Cooled off since then, but not Jericho's fault AEW didn't do much with him after their program.

Oct 23, 2022 0:13:20 GMT Michinokudriver said:

Oct 20, 2022 16:56:17 GMT RT said:

I think it's building to someone "ROH-esque" taking the title off a heel Jericho at the December PPV. I just don't know who that'll be.

Maybe Claudio returns and takes it? Maybe Jay Lethal gets the win (although he's a heel too, so)? Maybe that have someone returning that I can't think of?

Has Samoa Joe challenged yet?

He's a name I, for one, associate with old/golden-era ROH other than Danielson (who ain't gonna step back to ROH) or Fallen Angel Christopher Daniels, who may or may not be retired and would certainly need a lot of rebuilding before he can be the face of a relaunched brand.

As far as Jericho, I'm having a bit of trouble thinking of who he's made in AEW. Sammy is IMO a maybe; Jericho certainly helped in the beginning but he seemed to be floundering until discovering the power of annoying people with excessive PDA. MJF was pegged as a guy on the rise when he worked with him, so maybe Orange Cassidy? Cooled off since then, but not Jericho's fault AEW didn't do much with him after their program.

Joe is a good shout but he’s carrying around the TV title still. Maybe a unification match?

Come to think of it I could see that happening, along with the trios/6-man titles.

December PPV:
Jericho vs Joe - World/TV unification match
Death Triangle vs Dalton & The Boys - Trios/6-man unification match
FTR defends tag titles
Garcia defends Pure title
Women’s title match (remember Mercedes Martinez!?)
Maybe OC defends the All-Atlantic title
Nese & Woods fight someone (possibly FTR)
Jay Lethal gets a match because it’s a law that he has a match at an ROH show
Maybe another women’s match (but it’s Tony so unlikely)

Jericho/Joe makes all the sense in the world. It's a match that's never happened before, between two legends and you could easily build towards it with the JAS bumping their asses off and making Joe out to be a killer. Joe's return was the big babyface reaction at the first TK ROH PPV, so the match would feel climatic.

I was tossing up other potential opponents like Claudio, Kingston, Garcia etc. I don't think any of them carry the same appeal. Claudio still comes across as Cesaro, Eddie/Jericho has been done to death and you can't expect to sell a PPV on it while Garcia is at least a year away from that spot.

I'd be looking to book Final Battle as a series pilot. So you have Jericho go over Joe at the end of the show before revealing his next opponent which is going to be the hook for the TV show moving forward. I'd say Claudio would be the safe choice but they may go left field and bring in a Malakai Black.

Jericho/Joe
Claudio/RUSH
FTR/OGK
Dalton Castle and The Boys vs. The Embassy
Garcia/Takeshita
JONAH/Jay Lethal
Mercedes Martinez/Jungly Kyona
Briscoes/WorkHorsemen

Was watching Gabe's guest booker for Final Battle 2008, so to take from him, I like the idea of building to a main event in the first half of the show. Garcia/Takeshita is the type of match that deserves to be spotlighted, the two tore the house down in PWG and I'd expect them to do the same on this show. I'm not a huge OGK fan, but they're here and you may as well strike while the iron is hot. This would be a fairly long build, I may even have the OGK go over FTR in the build up just to spice things up and give them some huge momentum before switching it back, giving FTR another nice moment before teasing their next opponents. Alternatively you could just have OGK go over, let FTR ride off into the sunset and they can be the placeholders.

The 6-way is again another Gabe-ism where he'd re-start the second half with a popcorn light hearted match. I'd have the Embassy go over here just to establish them and Dalton can be that third match on the card type of Delirious act moving forward. Can't have an ROH card without the Briscoes and I'd like to get them a win against the WorkHorsemen as a try-out for both JD/Henry who I feel deserve a better opportunity under TK. JONAH/Lethal could be anyone who I want to shine up against Jay - I've gone JONAH just as an option but you could easily throw Bandido here if he signs on to build towards future title options.

Dark matches I'd like to put in some up and coming talent who will play bigger roles once TV is up and running.

At this point in his career Jericho still has value but as a attraction not a full time wrestler. If I were in charge I would make him a manager. He has the mic skills to help get younger talent over. That is if he's willing to put someone else over. Plus he can bump. Two key things a manager needs to succeed. Then put him in a match as needed.

I swear, not every thought that comes into Jericho's head needs to be muttered out loud.

“I literally want to go in front of the IOC, the International Olympic Community, and pitch pro wrestling as an Olympic sport,” Jericho said on Talk With Jericho.

“Now you might go, ‘How can you do that? It’s all [scripted].’ Now, hold on. Stop right there. Gymnastics, pairs gymnastics, figure skating, pairs figure skating, what is that? It’s two people working together to put on the best performance possible. There is no way we could not do the same with pro wrestling.”

Nov 20, 2022 3:07:33 GMT NATH45 said:

I swear, not every thought that comes into Jericho's head needs to be muttered out loud.

“I literally want to go in front of the IOC, the International Olympic Community, and pitch pro wrestling as an Olympic sport,” Jericho said on Talk With Jericho.

“Now you might go, ‘How can you do that? It’s all [scripted].’ Now, hold on. Stop right there. Gymnastics, pairs gymnastics, figure skating, pairs figure skating, what is that? It’s two people working together to put on the best performance possible. There is no way we could not do the same with pro wrestling.”

But... I also get where he's coming from?

Shit, I don't like agreeing with Jericho ideas...

c, halp!!!

Who is judging it? Cornette or Meltzer? Does Japan have an inherit advantage? Or Mexico? Does our guy Fergus stand a chance?

He’s not wrong, but like…wrestling is already an Olympic sport? Pretty sure it’s the oldest one too? Marathon and wrestling are like the foundation the Olympics was built on.

You want to spit on that history by adding the choreographed version to the Olympics? Ok man good luck I guess. Can’t see anyone having a problem with that.

Future New Flash : The Young Bucks win gold!

Then the decision is reversed after Matt Jackson is caught up in " The Hugs for Gold " scandal involving Dave Meltzer.