This made me laugh my ass off.

Nov 8, 2024 21:29:12 GMT KJ said:

This made me laugh my ass off.

That's excellent.  :rofl:

Nov 7, 2024 20:31:56 GMT KJ said:

You would lose your fucking mind calling him corrupt if he pardoned him. 😂😂😂

He's going out the door.  That's exactly the time for questionable pardons.

Hell Clinton SOLD a pardon to Marc Rich who was on the FBI's top 10 most wanted list and people barely talk about it today.   So I think we can give Joe just A LITTLE grace in pardoing his son.

Nov 8, 2024 18:12:07 GMT Zappy said:

Any reason why Arizona and Nevada are taking so long to count?

Arizona:

www.votebeat.org/arizona/2024/11/08/arizona-results-delayed-problems-opening-counting-ballots/

Nov 9, 2024 0:20:55 GMT thereallt said:

Nov 7, 2024 20:31:56 GMT KJ said:

You would lose your fucking mind calling him corrupt if he pardoned him. 😂😂😂

He's going out the door.  That's exactly the time for questionable pardons.

Hell Clinton SOLD a pardon to Marc Rich who was on the FBI's top 10 most wanted list and people barely talk about it today.   So I think we can give Joe just A LITTLE grace in pardoing his son.

I don’t have a problem with it. But my assessment of how people would (will) react remains.

Nov 7, 2024 10:30:47 GMT System said:

Guy wearing a Trump 2024 shirt at the shopping centre earlier, what a legend.

Time to start a "Trump Shirts Seen In The Wild" thread the way I did for wrestling shirts? @ness come back and get in on this!

Not counting myself, I've only seen one person (a based old man) wearing a Trump shirt since the greatest Guy Fawkes Day of all time, BUT I have noticed a major uptick in USA-themed gear even here in deep blue Maryland. First one that comes to mind was a 20something Chad at the grocery store wearing a red, white, and blue shirt with "FREEDOM" written on the front. Future looks bright.
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Michinokudriver you asked some good questions I'll get to over the weekend and I will comb through this thread to see if there's anything else I missed. But tonight, I have something to get off my chest that I've been sitting on for years. EDIT: Started writing this but the words weren't coming out right so it's sitting half written right now.

And it's NOT a heel turn! I went through this with some posters last time I made my yearly foray into a political thread. Trump is the babyface in my eyes. An antihero for sure but, by God, he's MY antiHERO. I basically view him as this cheeky folk hero sending an establishment I can't stand into a tizzy. 

Nov 8, 2024 18:12:07 GMT Zappy said:

Any reason why Arizona and Nevada are taking so long to count?

I'd love to see more states copy Florida. It's absurd we're still waiting for results three days later when the 3rd most populous state in the union has all their votes counted within a few hours of polls closing. Most other countries don't seem to have this problem either. Do better!

I’ve written this post twice now and had the mobile version of PW kill it before posting so trying with the iPad. 

I’ve had a few days to reflect on the loss that I’ve been expecting most of the year, though I’ll readily admit I’m surprised by the scope of it. I’ve read KJ’s thoughts and think they make sense and could be part of a winning strategy, but I think there’s a bigger issue than what we’re running on. 

But before getting to that one thing I will say is go KJ’s way or go the opposite direction entirely, just don’t half ass it. Don’t tell me how much you love trans people, taxing the rich, and peace and then go on a press tour with Liz Cheney. Fuck that. The time in our country where a Democrat is thrilled that a Republican is endorsing their candidate is in the past. Be strong in your convictions. Honestly Kamala saying “I’ll take her vote and we have a common opponent but fuck her worldviews” would’ve gotten her more votes. 

So that is generally where I fall on the election, the issues never mattered. Donald Trump is going to be President again because he is entertaining and because things cost more than they did four years ago. I have yet to hear anybody with half a brain tell me how his more tariffs will lower inflation strategy works, he doesn’t have a realistic plan on illegal immigration, he’s going to leave Obamacare in place, etc. Democrats would be best off to try to remember that winning the presidency is not about being right on every issue, it’s about being charismatic, personable, and having enough conviction in your beliefs that other people believe them too. I don’t know who that person is, but it was never Kamala Harris. 

I think that Missouri is a perfect representation of this. The state overwhelmingly has approved abortion protection, a minimum wage hike, and recreational marijuana in the last four years while voting against the person diametrically opposed to all of those positions at the same time. It’s not the issues, it’s the candidate. 

One more example, which I think speaks to DEI and trans rights, etc. Those things are important because if you’re trying to be the Democratic candidate you typically try to appease a much more fragmented coalition of one issue voters. When Obama ran for President he didn’t run on gay rights (he was opposed to marriage famously), but he sidestepped the issue mostly and because he was so charismatic people projected their beliefs onto him. Trump has done this in an opposite but equally winnable way: he’s just lied repeatedly. But that’s another problem for the Dems that goes back to what KJ said, we’ve got such an insufferable complex that we tear our own candidates down for lying. So smart we’re stupid. Find your winning issue that will make a difference in someone’s life and talk about how great you are at it and how bad they are. Over and over and over. 

Anyway, I’m ok if the Dems move a little to the center or stay where they are today, they just have to pick a better fucking candidate. I don’t know who that is, but they should probably start drafting a Mark Cuban type from the outside to do it. 

Nov 9, 2024 5:33:07 GMT mikec said:

I’ve written this post twice now and had the mobile version of PW kill it before posting so trying with the iPad. 

I’ve had a few days to reflect on the loss that I’ve been expecting most of the year, though I’ll readily admit I’m surprised by the scope of it. I’ve read KJ’s thoughts and think they make sense and could be part of a winning strategy, but I think there’s a bigger issue than what we’re running on. 

But before getting to that one thing I will say is go KJ’s way or go the opposite direction entirely, just don’t half ass it. Don’t tell me how much you love trans people, taxing the rich, and peace and then go on a press tour with Liz Cheney. Fuck that. The time in our country where a Democrat is thrilled that a Republican is endorsing their candidate is in the past. Be strong in your convictions. Honestly Kamala saying “I’ll take her vote and we have a common opponent but fuck her worldviews” would’ve gotten her more votes. 

So that is generally where I fall on the election, the issues never mattered. Donald Trump is going to be President again because he is entertaining and because things cost more than they did four years ago. I have yet to hear anybody with half a brain tell me how his more tariffs will lower inflation strategy works, he doesn’t have a realistic plan on illegal immigration, he’s going to leave Obamacare in place, etc. Democrats would be best off to try to remember that winning the presidency is not about being right on every issue, it’s about being charismatic, personable, and having enough conviction in your beliefs that other people believe them too. I don’t know who that person is, but it was never Kamala Harris. 

I think that Missouri is a perfect representation of this. The state overwhelmingly has approved abortion protection, a minimum wage hike, and recreational marijuana in the last four years while voting against the person diametrically opposed to all of those positions at the same time. It’s not the issues, it’s the candidate. 

One more example, which I think speaks to DEI and trans rights, etc. Those things are important because if you’re trying to be the Democratic candidate you typically try to appease a much more fragmented coalition of one issue voters. When Obama ran for President he didn’t run on gay rights (he was opposed to marriage famously), but he sidestepped the issue mostly and because he was so charismatic people projected their beliefs onto him. Trump has done this in an opposite but equally winnable way: he’s just lied repeatedly. But that’s another problem for the Dems that goes back to what KJ said, we’ve got such an insufferable complex that we tear our own candidates down for lying. So smart we’re stupid. Find your winning issue that will make a difference in someone’s life and talk about how great you are at it and how bad they are. Over and over and over. 

Anyway, I’m ok if the Dems move a little to the center or stay where they are today, they just have to pick a better fucking candidate. I don’t know who that is, but they should probably start drafting a Mark Cuban type from the outside to do it. 

It seems in both parties that it is the primary process that is broken.
To get the base you have to be an extreme caricature of the position you hold.

Then to get elected you have to back away from everything you said to get the nomination.
This creates a whole host of clips for the opposition to run in attack ads.

Yeah, though honestly in the Democratic Party the base of people making the demands to say the crazy stuff typically don’t vote, thus our centrist candidates Hillary and Joe have won over their more liberal competitors by tons of votes. Kamala said some crazy stuff in 2020 for sure, but she was competing with Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders and the left that has not come close to winning a Dem primary.

Our primaries hurt the country way worse at the congressional level where we’re so gerrymandered that you know whatever Dem or Rep will win the seat, so the primaries on the GOP side tend to come down to which one can say the craziest shit about how much they hate liberals and anytime either side ever consider acompromise you will lose your job in the next primary.

Nov 9, 2024 15:30:24 GMT mikec said:

Yeah, though honestly in the Democratic Party the base of people making the demands to say the crazy stuff typically don’t vote, thus our centrist candidates Hillary and Joe have won over their more liberal competitors by tons of votes. Kamala said some crazy stuff in 2020 for sure, but she was competing with Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders and the left that has not come close to winning a Dem primary.

Our primaries hurt the country way worse at the congressional level where we’re so gerrymandered that you know whatever Dem or Rep will win the seat, so the primaries on the GOP side tend to come down to which one can say the craziest shit about how much they hate liberals and anytime either side ever consider acompromise you will lose your job in the next primary.

Couldn’t agree more. We have a purity complex on the left, and absolutely tear down anyone that doesn’t meet it. And because it’s a party of “everyone,” if you walk up and make X issue your top priority, groups A, B, and C tear you down immediately because they weren’t your top issue.

Trump was extreme in 2016 from the GOP, which was more centrist, and he’s pulled the entire party to him over the last three election cycles.

Kamala’s campaign spent 1 billion dollars on their campaign. 1 billion dollars! That includes the donation by KJ for Megan the Stallions performance.

After 1 billion dollars spent, they are STILL in debt of just over 20 million dollars!

Donald Trump said he is willing to help them pay that 20 million off for the sake of UNITY.

MAGA. 🇺🇸

Nov 9, 2024 22:21:24 GMT KING KID said:

Kamala’s campaign spent 1 billion dollars on their campaign. 1 billion dollars! That includes the donation by KJ for Megan the Stallions performance.

After 1 billion dollars spent, they are STILL in debt of just over 20 million dollars!

Donald Trump said he is willing to help them pay that 20 million off for the sake of UNITY.

MAGA. 🇺🇸

The way they spent money, it’s no wonder our economy crashed. 

Remember when I said Democrats love to build monoliths and absolutes?

www.cnn.com/2024/11/09/us/4b-movement-trump-south-korea-wellness-cec/index.html

I have shared Facebook friends with Pollard (we're both from STL). I want to message and find out if she's stupid on everything.

Is 4B the female Incel movement?

Nov 10, 2024 2:32:45 GMT NATH45 said:

Is 4B the female Incel movement?

Yuh.

Michinokudriver here's what I realistically want to see from Trump 2.0. Maybe I'll get into pipedream/more esoteric stuff some other time. 
EDIT: lol I am incapable of brevity. And this post goes more and more into the weeds the further it goes. Sorry! Blame it on a very, very, very rare drinking night. And this isn't even the post I wanted to write tonight! The mother of all rants.....the skeleton key to unlock it all...will have to wait until....Monday, probably.
 
*I do think Trump is in a much better position to MAGA this time around. Last time there were a lot of factors working against him. This time he has the experience, a much stronger mandate, and, at least for now, a less deranged opposition. I just hope he surrounds himself with better people this time around. I'm already having doubts as I'll get to later. As for Project 2025, there's some good stuff in there and some stuff I don't agree with. 

Secure the Border/Remigration- Trump had me all those years ago at "build the wall." Nations have borders. You have borders or you no longer have a country. Simple as. How are sanctuary cities even a thing? How are people just ok with allowing hordes of invaders into our country?? How is any of this even controversial??? I will never understand. I saw somewhere on X that 1.3 million illegals are sitting around waiting to be deported for crimes committed beyond illegal entry. Start with them. They have to go back. One interesting proposal I saw is pulling funding for sanctuary cities/states that don't want to play ball. Yes. Do it.

From an October 2023 Heritage Foundation article...

"The Biden administration is paying $2.5 billion in taxpayer funds for Immigration and Customs Enforcement to house illegal migrants. ICE provides them not only food and a bed, but medical and dental care, recreation and other services to meet higher standards than county detention systems, for example."

What. The. Fuck. Best move along now before I get bogged down here with an hour long rant.

End Wokeness- DEI must DIE. Same goes for CRT & ESG. It needs to go. Academia can be brought to heel as well. I really do think we passed peak wokeness a year or two ago. Now we kill it once and for all. We make it, to use one of your guys' favorite words, toxic. Oh, and while it's honestly small potatoes in the grand scheme of things, no more men in women's sports either. Biology is real. Accept it.

Fight Inflation- This is probably the #1 issue for most voters and Top 3 for me. As deeply unpopular as the above are, I think Bidenflation is why Trump won so decisively. If Trump fails to curb inflation, I think most who aren't hardcore MAGAmaniacs will regret their vote and turn on him quickly. Get those prices down or lose the Mandate of Heaven. 

No More Wars (Unless Directly Attacked)- No more being the world's police. No more "exporting Democracy." We tried that in the 2000s. It failed. Miserably. No more wasting our treasure and the lives of our young people in foreign boondoggles. Those days must be over. Nobody is joining the military to fight for the greater glory of Israel or Ukraine. America First or gtfo. From here on out we only fight if directly attacked. How about using troops to protect our own border FOR ONCE instead of some other country's border an ocean away?

I guess now is as good a time as any to touch on the Israel/Palestine kerfuffle and slip in a rant. Having a neutral opinion on a 6000 year old ethno-religious tribal conflict taking place 6000 miles away between two groups I have nothing to do with is normal and good. That should the default reaction. And that's where I started...

Truth is I had issues with both sides. I'm tired of the US being an ATM machine for Israel. I'm tired of Israel getting special treatment no other country seems to get. I'm not real crazy about Trump being so rah rah on Israel btw. BUT Palestine did start the latest flare up in this forever feud with a real dick move. And over time I've come to hold my nose and grudgingly "root" (not really the right word, but whatevs) for Israel because HOLY SHIT are the pro-Palestine crew the most annoying motherfuckers on the planet or what? See, I have a major issue with unemployed behavior in general. You can wave your little signs and shout your little slogans in some designated corner of campus, or at some park you got a permit for, or whatever, but once your little chimpouts inconvenience the lives of normal, productive citizens just trying to go about their daily lives, you're dead to me. Whether it's BLM, Antifa, Occupy, Climate protesters, the pro-Palestine crowd....I've just got no time for this nonsense. Not gonna lie. I basically turn into Hitler whenever I see left wing protesters blocking traffic, destroying property, attacking random people, or basically just....existing. Now that I think about it, the Freddie Gray riots here in 2015 Baltimore (a story worthy of a post itself- there were literal tanks in the old West Coast Video parking lot!) might just be what first started me down the path to where I am now. You could, in fact, succinctly describe my politics as SocietyCivilization=Good. Destruction=Bad. Deconstruction is a bit shit as well while I'm at it. Ever notice left wing protesters burn the flag while right wing protesters (rare though they are for reasons I don't feel like getting into right now) wave the flag? I know which side I'm on. Speaking of flags, "decolonize" is a major red one. Right up there with "toxic and problematic" or the dreaded "pronouns in bio" when it comes to red flags. Any time I see these words and phrases I know I am dealing with a person to be avoided, ignored, or mocked. 

*This post is already running hella long (see, I know my Bay Area slang!) so I might not elaborate much from here on out, but I do have some specific ideas in mind for what is to come...

Overhaul/Investigate/Gut Government Agencies- Drain. The. Swamp. For real this time! I'm optimistic. And would need an entire post to elaborate on all I want to see.

Invest In American Jobs/Infrastructure

Cut Foreign Spending

Retribution?- Ok, this one does need some explaining. Not gonna lie. Trump saying "I WILL BE YOUR RETRIBUTION" might have got the biggest pop out of me during the entire campaign (it was either that or "They're Not Really After Me, They're After You. I'm Just in the Way." "Hell yeah! Free all political prisoners! Punish all enemies! Trump! Trump! Trump!" And while I'm still not necessarily averse to some degree of retribution, I also really do want America to come together again, pipedream though it may be. Basically, my ideal America is a permanent post-9/11 world where everyone (ok, >90%) is on the same page. So maybe only a moderate form of retribution? Look, some people really do deserve it! Enough to constitute a full post of their own, in fact. And I really do want to see some political prisoners freed. Not sure I'll ever get over the heavy-handed way they came down on even the peaceful protesters during that little dust up at the Capitol on J6 after looking the other way only a few months earlier during the Summer of George. Right Wingers be like "oh, so we're doing this now?" after watching months' worth of "Very Peaceful Protests" during the Summer of George.  Nope! Feds tracked down everybody who so much as jaywalked. Real two-tiered system you got there, huh?

The Left can't meme, but have you notice the Right can't protest? Mean they are literally not allowed to. The left is constantly chimping out to little or no consequence while they bring the hammer down on those exceedingly rare occasions the right gets a little frisky (Charlottesville, DC, and....the Ottawa truckers since it's so rare we have to go up north to Canada just to find 3 examples). 

Extend the Olive Branch to Biden & Kamala- Plays into what I just wrote about longing to retvrn to a post-9/11 world. Be magnanimous just this one time, Donald. Be a gracious winner. He made inroads here by offering to pay Kamala's campaign debt. Nice gesture!

Fwiw I have no real antipathy towards Kamala or Joe. They're not my cup of tea as politicians. I disagreed with most of their policies. They're your stereotypical empty suit politicians, Democrat party apparatchiks who have been for and against practically everything during their long careers depending on which way the wind is blowing. Which is infinitely preferable to your lunatic Squad types! And I do think Biden & Kamala are likable enough people. I actually felt sorry for Biden towards the end of his campaign and even found myself defending him a time or two when folks I know irl would dump on him for being old and senile. Yeah, that's right. A Trump supporter getting on people for being rude to Trump's opponent. Will wonders never cease? I also thought Kamala ran a good campaign despite the loss. She ran as a sensible moderate rather than the loony Dem primary candidate from 4-5 years earlier. The problems for her were Bidenflation and the fact that people like me (quite correctly, mind) associate the tarnished Democrat brand with open borders, wokeness, inflation, and a soft on crime approach. So even if Kamala & Biden present themselves as sensible moderates, we know the people surrounding them will be anything but.

Don't Be Reflexively Pro-Business- Ahh moderation. The defining trait of my pre-2015 politics makes a comeback. The old guard Republican mentality needs to die. JD Vance, who I like a lot, and think will be a great heir to the MAGA Movement, has touched on this in a few speeches. The GOP has made major inroads with workers. Let's keep that up. I mentioned in another post on >$100k voters swinging roughly from Trump to Kamala and <$100 voters going hard from Biden to Trump and wrote something like "Republicans have become the party of workers and Democrats the party of their bosses." Let's keep that populism going. Workers vs. their soulless, middle management, bean-counting, KPI-obsessed bugmen bosses is a winning frame if ever there was one. Plus, and this admittedly plays into my retribution fantasies, the GOP spent decades simping for big corporations only to have those same big corps turn around and basically tell GOP voters to fuck off. So, yes, a part of me wants revenge. And the things I'd like to see done to the folks responsible for woke capital need not be named. Wasn't thrilled when I saw the news today of Trump interviewing a bunch of business leaders for cabinet positions btw.  If they're known loyalists, fine. But loyalists only! No more snakes. Mini-rant time...

I still maintain the normal and healthy American skepticism to socialism, and even typing the word Communism is enough to make me break out in hives, but I've come to conclude capitalism is...not great either! It's responsible for a whole lot of our problems, both economic and social. Look, I don't have all the answers. I might not have any answers! I'm just a guy who watches way too much old wrestling. 

Lower Crime/Punish Criminals- Major issue for many of us, including those here in the Baltimore area. But one admittedly largely out of Trump's hands. Yet if we had a Trump in every jurisdiction... A thousand, nay, a MILLION mini-Trumps! Ahh, a guy can dream. Anyway, crime sucks, and we need less of it. Put criminals behind bars again.

*Yes, I see the irony in a Trump fan saying this, so no need for snarky comments. A similar example would be the most recent Baltimore mayoral race which saw the convicted former mayor running a tough on crime campaign against the current never convicted mayor running a soft on crime campaign. I was pulling for the convicted criminal there, too.

A Continuance of Strong Judicial Appointments From His First Term

Reward Loyalists- We'll end on lighthearted one. I would love to see right wing influencers in the Trump administration. They won the election! A cadre of anonymous shitposters tweeting away for free managed to win 2 of the last 3 Presidential elections over the best and brightest Ivy League graduates the Democrat Party could overpay. How cool is that? The spirit of the underdog lives in MAGA. So bring in the anons. Hire the Youtubers. Right Wing thought leaders for cabinet positions! Ooh! brb after I fantasy book Trump's cabinet. MAGA today! MAGA tomorrow! MAGA forever!

*I'm sure I could think of 20 more things but I'm already growing tired of my yearly foray into politics posting

Nov 10, 2024 4:14:06 GMT Baker said:

"decolonize" is a major red flag. Right up there with "toxic and problematic" or the dreaded "pronouns in bio" when it comes to red flags.

I really wish, if nothing else, that reasonable people would appropriate the word "decolonize". The fact that we spend more on healthcare than any other country, but are also the sickest country, is a fine example of how Big Ag and Big Pharma have colonized our well being ($4.3 trillion/year on healthcare; 86% spent on chronic diseases ... 7.5% of population had a chronic illness in 1935, today, over 60%). Ditto the education sector; the Department of Education has spent over one trillion taxpayer dollars since its inception in 1979, yet 73% of our 8th graders are not proficient in math, and 69% are not proficient in reading (NAEP).

It's not necessary to invade another country to effect colonization; we are clearly colonizing ourselves.

Nov 8, 2024 5:41:12 GMT KING KID said:

Trump released new video with ten things he is going to do to the Deep State when he gets in office.


www.tiktok.com/t/ZTFTxNEn2/


Agree/disagree?

Hard agree.

Came back to this because that very video popped up in another Youtube video I watched earlier today where one of the hosts said "Steve Bannon should head the Truth & Reconciliation Committee" and my dick is still erect 5 hours later. God, yes. Please make it happen. Rough Roman justice time!

Then I did some digging on the host (who uses a lot of wrestling terminology) and discovered he used to be a regular poster over at ProWrestlingOnly. I had no idea! And I've been watching that guy's videos for....ok, like a week. But still! It's a small world. 
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Saw another guy wearing a MAGA shirt today + multiple people donning patriotic attire. Might have to make that thread after all. But only if Ness returns! 

I feel like it's a good time to dust off my old PR hat and remind people that left wing outlets reporting that Nobel Laureates said the tariffs would drive inflation, while right wing outlets did not report this, is now the same as "centrist/lib stuff" saying "Trump's policies will not only fail to work but end up exacerbating the problem."

It's literally just reporting the news; not commentary. Which is what the right says they so desperately want.

Tariffs are going to absolutely wreck us if they go through.

Raising the cost of items to drive production here doesn't make domestic production cheaper ... it prices out cheaper imports by making them as expensive as domestic products.

It's one of the simpler things in economics to track in a straight line, and I say that as someone who is far from an economist.

I also want to say while $2.5B is a lot of money spent on ICE ... it's the equivalent of $0.0002 of every dollar taxed by the U.S. annually.

I can think of better spends, but we need to take a breath and get perspective when we see these numbers.

Democrat Wishlist[/u] - Concerning both party + base, I'd agree that they need to drop the fight on culture war and identity politics. Stop being performative and stick to a legible narrative with the electorate. Don't cry foul and refuse to engage in further discourse when you give out mixed messaging like "defund the police" and expect average citizens to be able to read between the lines when the word "reform" was right there. Sometimes you need to move the goal posts to achieve a greater aim, and the average citizen doesn't give two shits about the doctorate thesis of a vanguard elite - We aren't Europe. We need more Thomas Paine fan clubs and less Lenin. The party needs to put greater emphasis on someone who has the personality to bridge gaps with the average voter and break down the language/media/rhetoric in a more beneficial manner. The left desperately needs a charismatic egalitarian who isn't a conundrum.

That being said, I don't want a shift to the right and sacrifice equalitarianism either. Don't become the pandering conservative-lite Manchin party, it won't work and probably only drives divisions to a more authoritative left in order to compensate for an absence of fervor. They've created a real mess here by not making attempts to thread this needle sooner. We lost a good chunk of the "get money out of politics" type of voter to Trump and those people were supposed to be our allies in fighting against corporate corruption in DC.

The Trump/MAGA Wishlist[/u] - I'm holding him to an equal standard of dropping the culture war, though I don't expect it to be fulfilled. My biggest issue with MAGA is that a lot of times, to my perception, the apathy, chaos and shock is the point of the brand -- and my morality leanings set aside -- that still doesn't give me a lot of confidence when it comes to substantive policy, the economy and what actions or inaction he'll actually take. It's got plenty of showmanship but often lacks substance that isn't just being contrarian for the sake of it most times. But the greater fear I have is still what leader follows in his footsteps to possibly refine the formula into some anarcho-capatalist hellscape or some similarly shit theory.

The best I'm hoping for is a toned down populism and that cooler heads somehow prevail among those with more authoritative motives that I don't think/hope Trump fully shares. If he can focus more on easy win policies like he did reforming our prison system in his first term, then I'm more than willing to give him some thorny roses for it. Throwing the crazies under the bus would go a really long way with me too, namely the christian nationalists and all the other hate groups that give the average conservative voter a really terrible rep that isn't always unwarranted. Guilt by association is a two-way street.

Also, keep up the no war please, foreign or domestic. I support Ukraine and desire peaceful Palestinian sovereignty, but we can't afford to get dragged into a chess match w/Axis Fusion Collective either. We have enough homeless vets and broken families as it is.

The Civilian Wishlist[/u] - We (all Americans) don't demand enough of this two-party paradigm. I don't know what the answers are here though, I'm just going on feels here tbh. I do know what needs changed -- faux discourse, biased media, corporate hegemony over congress, etc. -- but I don't know how we actually heal all of that just yet. People are too sticky for me to be a pure idealist, yet too adaptable to be a doomer about it. I'm just hoping for the best and expecting the worst really.

Hope we can all get a long a little better on here at least though. I aim to start tempering my approach and picking my battles a little more thoughtfully here. Can't complain about the culture war if I'm always willfully contributing to it.

nypost.com/2024/11/10/us-news/donald-trump-wins-most-popular-votes-by-a-republican-ever/


GOAT

They wouldn't would they?

" Kamala Harris could still become the first female President – all Joe Biden has to do is resign.

That’s the wild plan floated by Jamal Simmons, Ms Harris’ former communications director, who urged the President to step aside before Donald Trump takes office so the Vice President could make history even despite her massive election defeat. "

www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/us-election-live-updates/live-coverage/fb0227ac6586e60900edcd2219c5f82e#/entry/22935256

Nov 10, 2024 2:32:45 GMT NATH45 said:

Is 4B the female Incel movement?

No. Incels are dudes that blame everything but themselves for not being able to get a woman, and some went so far as to embrace the lifestyle instead of making themselves better people.

The 4B movement started in South Korea as a form of protest, and for good reason. 

"The 4B movement is meant to serve as a direct opposition to South Korea's patriarchal state and combat its pro-natalist policies, which view women's bodies and reproductive abilities as tools for the state's future."

American women seeing similar things happen in their country have looked to the movement as their own form of protest. They're voluntarily celibate, not involuntarily celibate. Quite the opposite. Kinda.

Nov 10, 2024 21:31:30 GMT NATH45 said:

They wouldn't would they?

" Kamala Harris could still become the first female President – all Joe Biden has to do is resign.

That’s the wild plan floated by Jamal Simmons, Ms Harris’ former communications director, who urged the President to step aside before Donald Trump takes office so the Vice President could make history even despite her massive election defeat. "

www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/us-election-live-updates/live-coverage/fb0227ac6586e60900edcd2219c5f82e#/entry/22935256

Lol the left and their imaginary world. 

Nov 11, 2024 0:21:21 GMT KING KID said:

Nov 10, 2024 21:31:30 GMT NATH45 said:

They wouldn't would they?

" Kamala Harris could still become the first female President – all Joe Biden has to do is resign.

That’s the wild plan floated by Jamal Simmons, Ms Harris’ former communications director, who urged the President to step aside before Donald Trump takes office so the Vice President could make history even despite her massive election defeat. "

www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/us-election-live-updates/live-coverage/fb0227ac6586e60900edcd2219c5f82e#/entry/22935256

Lol the left and their imaginary world. 

It would be kinda funny just because the Trump campaign would have to shelve all of their “47” merch. 😂

Nov 11, 2024 0:47:39 GMT KJ said:

Nov 11, 2024 0:21:21 GMT KING KID said:

Lol the left and their imaginary world. 

It would be kinda funny just because the Trump campaign would have to shelve all of their “47” merch. 😂

She could borrow the blade Julia Gillard keeps sharp that she drove into the back of her Prime Minister to " make history " back in 2010.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Gillard

Nov 10, 2024 23:14:02 GMT RT said:

Nov 10, 2024 2:32:45 GMT NATH45 said:

Is 4B the female Incel movement?

No. Incels are dudes that blame everything but themselves for not being able to get a woman, and some went so far as to embrace the lifestyle instead of making themselves better people.

The 4B movement started in South Korea as a form of protest, and for good reason. 

"The 4B movement is meant to serve as a direct opposition to South Korea's patriarchal state and combat its pro-natalist policies, which view women's bodies and reproductive abilities as tools for the state's future."

American women seeing similar things happen in their country have looked to the movement as their own form of protest. They're voluntarily celibate, not involuntarily celibate. Quite the opposite. Kinda.

Yes, of course. Understandably, the incels are involuntarily celibate and having seen some examples, I can understand why.

They say you can't smell a jpeg, but I beg to differ.

To play Devil's advocate, I'd bet there's a significantly high green/blue/purple broccoli hair + terrible piercings and ugly tattoos ratio in the 4B movement to challenge the idea all followers are entirely voluntarily celibate.

Nov 10, 2024 23:14:02 GMT RT said:

Nov 10, 2024 2:32:45 GMT NATH45 said:

Is 4B the female Incel movement?

No. Incels are dudes that blame everything but themselves for not being able to get a woman, and some went so far as to embrace the lifestyle instead of making themselves better people.

The 4B movement started in South Korea as a form of protest, and for good reason. 

"The 4B movement is meant to serve as a direct opposition to South Korea's patriarchal state and combat its pro-natalist policies, which view women's bodies and reproductive abilities as tools for the state's future."

American women seeing similar things happen in their country have looked to the movement as their own form of protest. They're voluntarily celibate, not involuntarily celibate. Quite the opposite. Kinda.

Women choosing to sit out of the dating pool while their dating collateral is at unmatched highs is a hell of a self goal.
It is also so strange to see the hysteria online, which seems unmatched to the actual reality in any state.
I would be happy to be corrected on the second point, if there are examples of women unable to access medical services.


It also seems unlikely Biden lets Harris become the 47th President, looking at Jill Biden's reactions it seems pretty clear that she hates Kamala's guts.